RaptorsHQ Lunchbox Links for February 9, 2012
Mmm...lunch time at the HQ, let's see what's in the pail today...
We'll start off with some insight on last night's contest from the opposing side of the fence. SB Nation's Brewhoop notes that while Brandon Jennings was off his game, the Bucks still got the win they needed.
And yet while that W puts the Bucks back in the win column, it probably won't fix their attendance issues. According to Deadspin.com, Milwaukee continues to feature prominently on the league's "least attended games" list and has the honour of being part of the most unwanted NBA tickets so far this season.
On the Raptors' side, National Post's Eric Koreen details yet another loss for the DInos, a loss that pitted two good friends, DeMar DeRozan and the aforementioned Jennings, against each other.
Speaking of Jennings and DeRozan, Sportsnet.ca's Michael Grange gives some interesting insight into the decision to draft DeMar over Brandon in 2009, and notes that that decision isn't looking so good right about now. Not only are the Raptors now looking for a future point guard, but their needs at the wing haven't even been solved.
And it won't be solved via Wilson Chandler apparently. According to his agent, Wilson Chandler will return from China and rejoin the Nuggets. We'll see if this indeed occurs but as of now, it doesn't look like we should be holding out hope to see Chandler in red and black any time soon.
Which means the talent discrepancy fans see on a night by night basis will continue to be a major problem for the Dinos. Yesterday we noted that ESPN had Toronto ranked 26th in the league in terms of their "future," and part of that was based on a lack of premiere young talent. To reinforce this, there wasn't a single Raptor on ESPN.com's NBA's top 25 players Under 25 list.
In fact some would argue that NCAA teams like Kentucky and North Carolina Austin Rivers' U already have more NBA talent than the Raps. CBS Sports.com's Jeff Goodman uses the Raptors' recent annihilation at the hands of the Boston Celtics to paint his picture, and it ain't a pretty one.
From the post:
That Toronto starting five is abysmal. Sure, the Raptors were without Andrea Bargnani, but that's about as lackluster a group as I've seen take the floor to start an NBA game since ... well, maybe ever.
That's why this upcoming draft is so important for Toronto, and a recent NBA.com piece takes a look at this event, and the dilemma of drafting homegrown talent.
But talent isn't the only issue plaguing the Raps this season as their schedule isn't helping. Toronto's gone through some brutal stretches of road games to start the season, and now that they finally get home, have things broken up via the All-Star break, which includes strangely, a near week-long break for it.
More links after ze jump!
Sticking with the Raptors, Raptors.com's Jay Satur takes us on a wild ride of ridiculous plays that have come out of Washington in the past few years thanks to clashes between the Raps and Wiz.
And while no longer a Raptor, the National Post's Eric Koreen compares former Dino Vince Carter to Paul Pierce,who recently passed Larry Bird on the Boston Celtics' list of all-time scorers. It's a good read and makes you wonder just what would have happened if Carter's career had taken a more Pierce-like turn.
Finally, while we talked about re-branding the Dinos a lot in the off-season, doesn't it make even more sense now? That's something discussed in this piece on the subject entitled, What's In a Name?
Well...if the losses continue to pile up...maybe not much.
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With any luck, Chandler will want to sign the QO they have extended to him, allowing him to become a UFA this summer. Depends on how committed he really is to the Nuggets. Of course, timing come into it as well – if he’s not back by early March, he’s only allowed to sign with the Nuggets – no other team can extend him an offer after that (until the summer if he chooses to wait – but if he’s going to wait he might as well sign the QO, right?).
Didn’t the Nugs resign Gallonari and have Al Hearington on the books for multiple years? Don’t understand why they would want to then give money to Chandler. Even if they wanted to play him at the SG, they just re-signed Afflalo in the offseason…
Keep in mind, it was Chandler's agent that said he was planning on returning to the Nuggets...
Nobody said that’s what the Nuggets were planning…
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Jose / Rivers
MKG / Bayless / DeRozan
Chandler / Kleiza / Johnson
Bargnani / Davis
Valanciunas / Johnson / Gray
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How do the Raptors get Rivers who is projected to go 20th? Do you know about a trade the rest of us don’t?
Oh yea, I traded Barbosa for a second first round pick WEEKS ago...
Just waiting for B.C. to sign the papers… lol
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Just about everybody, including me has been pushing the idea of dealing Barbosa for a pick. I still hope it happens, but I am sure that BC has already been exploring these types of options…
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by JumpShootersRUS on Feb 9, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
“But we needed an athletic wing more than a point guard at the time. There was some discussion in the draft room when he was still on the board, but there wasn’t a whole lot of support to take a point guard at that stage.”
sigh….. need over talent.
Not that I think much of Jennings, nor do I think the Raps would be significantly better with him than Derozan (although he’s clearly a better player than Derozan), but I’m scared to think BC that BC wouldn’t draft a player this season since there is a greater ‘need’ elsewhere.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Feb 9, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions
I honestly think there was an obvious need for a PG of the future at the time and anyone of the ones drafted after Derozan would have been a better choice. Remember we just came off a season where the team tanked at the end because Jose couldn’t stay healthy and there was no one else to play the spot (calling Will Solomon). It was so bad we overpaid Turkoglu and then signed Jaret Jack so I am not sure how he can say there wasn’t a need for a PG. If we all recall there was also a need for a player who could have an impact right away and we all know that Derozan was not even hinted at as being that kind of player.
This terrifies me...
A good number of the top 10 picks are PFs or Centres. What does Colangelo do if the best player on the board is a PF, does he dare take a player that might be better than the golden calf? Intrigue…
Sure…So long as he is able to deal Amir and or Ed Davis…Neither of whom I dislike (big Amir fan – see the potential in Ed) – . just could end up being unneeded and or more useful elsewhere…
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by JumpShootersRUS on Feb 9, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. If you draft a potential franchise PF, why wouldn’t you trade Bargs? First, he will probably net you a solution for the wing positions in the deal. Second, if you wereto draft a Sullinger or Davis etc. don’t you think they’ll be out of town the first chance they get if they are forced to play behind Bargnani?
If we end up with Davis, we should certainly move Bargnani – after this season (assuming he continues to impress whenever he comes back) he should net a very good return. But I seriously doubt we pick that high. So if it’s not a sure-fire franchise guy, I think one of Davis or Amir gets moved instead.
by dhackett1565 on Feb 10, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Lets Look At the Facts
more specifically point differential
Last season the Raptors were a minus 6.3
This season he Raptors are a minus 6.2
In the 13 games that the Raptors played with Bargnani they were won 6 and lost 7 with a minus point differential of minus 2.5
Take out the 35 point debacle in Philly and the Raptors are 6 – 6 when Bargnani played with a point differential of plus .2
Add in Jonas next season
Add in a solid lottery pick
Add in a solid free agent
You wind up with a young playoff team that will only continue to get better
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4129/gamelog;_ylt=A0PDk1JaSDRPgTUAlwdTPaB4
These Numbers Are Also During The Most Difficult Part of the 2011-12 Schedule
The team did not compete in Boston and Philly. Judging a team off of one road game is just stupid.
Are there any realistic free agent targets for the Raps this off season?
Good ones I mean.
Thanks Buddah - I looked through the list and didn't get excited
Basically if we don’t draft a good SF we’re looking at Nic Batum as our best option and we still have to hope Blazers don’t match. Not a lot else out there at the SF spot for us this summer.
Felton and Aaron Brooks are our only hope of upgrading at PG. Was Brooks any good? I remember him ripping it up in Houston for a while and then playing badly with a poor attitude before being traded to Phoenix. Is he any good? Not a whole lot going on at SG unless we make Mayo an offer.
Having a whole lot of cap room is one thing but actually having good players to sign is another. That list didn’t make my mouth water or anything. The draft is begining to look more and more critical.
When Brooks was getting 35 min. ...
He was averaging 20 points 5 assists 3 rebs 3 turnovers…
That was his third season…
His problem was chemistry and then Lowry exploded and he got buried…
He needs to defend better, but I wouldn’t say by any means he is worse than Jose, and he’s young…
He will mature and get better still…
I would have no problem giving him a shot…
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Once he gets back from China...
PLUS now he has the international experience he’ll feel comfortable in Toronto…
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Come on, how does playing in China prepare you to be comfortable in Toronto? I would say spending a year in Chicago would by much more applicable.
Toronto will feel a lot less “foreign” to a guy who has lived in China compared with a guy who has never lived anywhere other than the continental US.
by DW19 on Feb 10, 2012 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Really, have you been to China? Whole ‘nuva level. I don’t you could find a starker contrast in cultures than China and the West. OK maybe North Korea. LOL
Seriously though, I hear your point. My only point here is the misnomer that Toronto is “international” in the context of difference for NBA players is a bit past the pale. Toronto has more similarities to most North American cities than differences.
Ah so... I unnastan you velly gud...
You crick rink, you unnastan me too…
As opposed to approx. 27,300 Chinese immigrants in Houston…
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If you think Brooks is going to come here and immerse himself in the Chinese community, I don’t know what to tell ya. Not sure that the immigration levels of Chinese nationals has anything to do with anything… We’re not talking abuot Yao Ming here.
OKAY I GIVE UP... I WAN'T REALLY IMPLYING THAT IT WOULD BE A FACTOR...
That Brooks’ imaginary immersion in our city culture would have anything to do with his imaginary signing of an imaginary offer that B.C. was going to make in the imaginary scenario that Brooks is available to us…
Fun and games over, back to talking about how DeMar is faltering and Kleiza’s recent play is a smoke-screen…
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"OKAY I GIVE UP... I WAN'T REALLY IMPLYING THAT IT WOULD BE A FACTOR..."
“I WAN’T REALLY IMPLYING THAT IT WOULD BE A FACTOR…”
Well, you kind were…
“OKAY I GIVE UP”
There, see that’s all you had to say. Wasn’t that hard was it? : )
Key factor, my original intent was a jest about motivation that would help us solidify this deal...
That is a completely imaginary deal, that can’t be solidified because it isn’t tangible…
That therefor….
Nevermind…
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lol, I was being honest about not minding making an offer for him...
But the addition of “he’ll totally love our international atmosphere now that he’s played in China” was meant to be tongue in cheek…
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Is there any chance Valanciunas' season is done in time to play any games this season over here?
Sleeper for our playoff run? … lol
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