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3 in the Key - Raptors' Game-Day Preview vs. Bucks

After narrowly losing in Washington, the Raptors head home to contest the Milwaukee Bucks. Sasha Kalra previews the action...

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The Toronto Raptors are returning home from their 2 game road trip after a couple of very hard fought losses. They now open up an abnormally-long 7 games in a row at home. These 7 games will have a significant impact on where the ping pong balls fall this off-season. Whether you are a tanking enthusiast or a traditionalist, upcoming home games against the Lakers, Knicks, Spurs and Celtics offer chances to see what certain members of this team are capable of.

It all starts tonight with the Milwaukee Bucks. The Bucks lost narrowly against Phoenix last night and will be looking to bounce back. They live and die with the play of Brandon Jennings and have been sorely missing the inside presence of Andrew Bogut. Controversy never seems a step too far from Stephen Jackson and he has found himself playing limited minutes as some guy named Carlos Delfino (remember him?) is keeping him out of the rotation.

When compared to the rest of the upcoming matches on the schedule, this game looks very winnable. Whether or not that is good news is up to you, so here are the 3 keys to a Raptors win:

1) Fast Start: The Raptors got off to yet another slow start against the Wizards and found themselves down by 10 points after the 1st quarter. To their credit the team managed to fight back and force overtime against a team that isn't exactly built to manage such leads. If they want to beat a well-coached Bucks team the Raptors need to get off to a quicker start tonight in front of their home fans.

2) Offensive Rebounding: The Milwaukee Bucks have gone from being of the better rebounding teams in the association to one of the worst. The discrepancy is particularly highlighted in how they managed to go from 8th to 26th in defensive rebounding rate. Add in the loss of Andrew Bogut, and one can only hope that Ed Davis, Amir Johnson and Aaron Gray are going to be fighting for those offensive boards to help create second chance points.

3) Point Guards: With Bogut out and Jackson in the doghouse, the offensive onus falls on young Brandon Jennings' lean shoulders. He has shown that he can score the ball with the best of them, but there are still question marks about his turnovers, assists and defensive play. Jose Calderon and for spurts, Jerryd Bayless will have the chance to go up against Jennings tonight. If they use their penetrative abilities to make him work on defense, and pressure him into making bad decisions with the ball it will only help the Raptors' cause. Getting the ball out of his hands and forcing others to hit shots is another option if he starts to heat up.

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Another interesting one tonight

Milwaukee is a beatable team, but can the Raps get back on track after two tough L’s? Excited to see another PG dual too, as Sasha called out.

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

Bogut used to kill us

WIth him out, we have a good chance in this one. Not sure we need a win or a loss though. Very confusing season to be a fan.

Kidd-G, Barnes and Perry Jones are all three top SF prospects and I think it crucial we get one of those three players in the draft.

Kidd-G best leader and competitor.
Barnes most NBA ready and best all round game.
Jones is the tallest and most unique athlete with his size and quickness.

Tonight the guard play will be crucial and Jennings will give Jose some issues if he shoots well.

DD matching up with Delfino will also be interesting if it happens.

by defensive rap on Feb 8, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

I'll take your segway as the Fanposts aren't showing up on the side anyways...
4 out 5 Kentucky starters (sorry but I only have love enough for one Lamb), Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb, Andre Drummond, Perry Jones III…

Heck add Sullinger and Henson…

Any one of these 10 options is a win in the draft. Whether it’s for immediate playing time, future stardom or trade value for a needed position.

So, I say as long as we get a top ten pick, true tanking is a needless sufferance.

Anthony Davis

Terrence Jones

Michael Kidd Gilchrist

Marquis Teague

Harrison Barnes

Andre Drummond

Jeremy Lamb

Perry Jones III

Jared Sullinger

John Henson

Can’t see us coming away a loser with any of these guys…
To be honest with you…
If Kleiza can provide anywhere NEAR what he did the other night on a regular basis… I would keep him and James Johnson at the SF position…

I really like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist at SG with Bayless as a backup and my jury is still out on DeMar…

I think the acquisition of a second first round pick is crucial and we try for our future PG with that one…

“the Truth”
by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions

Picture it…
Calderon / Kabongo / Forbes
Kidd-Gilchrist / Bayless / DeRozan
Kleiza / Johnson / Weems?
Bargnani / Johnson / Davis
Valanciunas / Gray

For our starters, you put MKG on whichever opponent’s guard is more of a threat.
Use whichever SF fits match-ups better, offence for defence…
We are solid with our rotation of bigs all being able to mix effectively given their nightly matchups…

And that is without our marquee free-agent signing B.C. is going to pull off…

“the Truth”
by Mikthaniel

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

MKG MKG MKG

I’d be fine with Barnes, but need to see him dominate more before I could ever recommend the Raptors select him over MKG. And there’s no way MKG isn’t the more well-rounded player. Look at his numbers. The guy rebounds like a FIEND from that spot, something that always translates. Barnes is a little too one-dimensional for my liking.

As well, Teague has a WAYS to go. I see flashes, but right now he looks a lot more like an NBA back-up than anything else. He’s quick and athletic, but like Myck Kabongo, his decision making is incredibly suspect at this point. Just doesn’t know how to lead a team.

But I take your point Mikthaniel, just a lot of talented players looking like they’ll be available.

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And yes, for me Teague is in their as a tenth choice...

I would much rather draft a PG later in the first round with an acquired pick (Barbosa anybody?) and ANY of the other nine guys with our first pick…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree.

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

First time poster here

I agree with you Mikthanniel. I think if the Raptors can add a second first round pick in this years draft, it would be huge for us going foward. We are most likely going to get at top 5-7 pick this year and Jonas will be coming over next year so if the raps can get another first round pick it will speed up the rebuilding process. Grab a point guard and a wing player with the two first round picks and with Jonas at the center spot, our talent level would increase drastically within a year. I think Barbosa will be traded at the deadline so to grab that second first round pick were probably going to have to have to add in either Amir or Davis to get it. For tonights game, I think if we can contain Jennings and control rebounds we should be able to pick up the W. I’m actually pro tanking this year because this squad is in dire need of good young talent and the only way were going to get that is through the draft. So I wouldn’t mind losing this game for more ping pong balls as long as the Raptors play hard and keep it competitive. GO RAPS!!!

by RAPTORS 4 LIFE on Feb 8, 2012 2:43 PM EST reply actions  

Welcome!

An interesting point you raised Raptors4Life. If the team knew it could get a top pick out of this year’s draft, would it let say DeMar or Ed go with Barbosa?

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point

I’d be more inclined to let Demar go over Ed. We are starting to understand what we are likely to get out of Demar (an athletic wing who is streaky, has a suspect 3 pt shot and somewhat fragile ego). Ed still has room to grow.

by Posterized on Feb 8, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be my take too. Still a big fan of Ed and think he’ll be fine with more PT and experience.

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Good list of prospects, I'd add Bradley Beal to that list

I don’t think Sullinger and Henson makes this team better because of who we already have. The others will potentially help this team tho.The more I watch MKG the more I’m concerned about him playing on the perimeter, if you watch him closely he gravitates inside a lot while showing little ability to get the ball (in a half court set) and create from wayyy out on the perimeter. He’s still one of the best prospects out there tho.

As far as which player on that list most fit our needs while having a potential major impact:
1)Davis (will be gone when we pick tho)
2)Barnes (best overall fit for Raps as a 6’8 SF)
3)MKG (Second best fit for the Raps at SF, great do everything kind of guy)
4)Teague (we need a good young starting calibre PG)
5)Bradley Beal (good catch and shoot guy. slasher and for a short guy good rebounder)
6)Perry Jones III (as a SF he could be an awesome pick but will he bring it every night?)

Jeremy Lamb is off my list, he just doesn’t bring enough effort out there and to make matters worse, goes thru some awful shooting slumps. Saw some really bad effort plays from him lately.

by Member29 on Feb 8, 2012 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think Sullinger and Henson makes this team better because of who we already have.

Agreed, thusly I mentioned…

Whether it’s for immediate playing time, future stardom or trade value for a needed position.

If we were “stuck” drafting Sullinger or Henson it would give us trade pieces valuable enough to fill other holes in our roster…

More and more, as DeRozan faulters and MKG shines I like the idea of drafting MKG to start ahead of Bayless, and trying to find a SF on the Free-Agent market or trade…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think MKG is best suited in the NBA as a SG, and would be a great one at that...

I think at SF he would be out muscled (but not out hustled) and more often than not the best scorer on the other team is their SG, whom MKG can lock down on…

If DeMar doesn’t turn things around soon I don’t know how realistic it is to keep him around.

I think as a bench lightning rod Bayless is a tougher, more aggressive, more consistent option than DeMar would be. AND he plays much better defence.

Just shifting DeMar over to SF isn’t a long term solution I can stomache either…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

COMPLETELY disagree on Sullinger

Name one low-post scoring presence that the Raptors can confidently throw the ball into on O, who then causes the opposing defense to adjust?

Cricket cricket

Not saying it doesn’t make for a logjam at the 4, but we’re talking about a double-double machine who offers a very different skillset from what the Raps currently have.

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree with who?

Member29 I assume…

If it was Sullinger who was left to us, he makes Ed and Amir trade assets which should net talent at another needed position…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree on who it makes a trade asset

Drafting Sullinger makes BARGNANI a trade asset as Sullinger is definitely a starting Power Forward in this league. As I posted a few days ago, Sullinger reminds me of Zack Randolf without the head case issues. A throwback PF who is a bull in the post. Pair him with Jonas Vallanciunous (if he pans out) and you have a potential uber-dynamic front court. Think about Jokim Noah (with offensive potential) and Zack Randolf (without the head case issues, in fact with leadership qualities). That’s scary good and is making me drool! Then you turn a suddenly attractive Bargnani into a top calibre wing player or PG and you’re off to the races!

by MAS11 on Feb 8, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

As soon as Colangelo isn't the guy making those calls, I would concede that's a stellar plan...

But it just isn’t realistic at all knowing the attachment Colangelo has to his “Primo” player…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I know these are all "If I were the GM" proposals anyway...

I just include the reality of who the GM actually is into my selection and plan…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

As soon as Colangelo isn’t the guy making those calls, I would concede that’s a stellar plan…

That’s my take too…but totally agree MAS.

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless of if I think it's the right choice to keep Bargnani in place of a Davis / Sullinger or not...

B.C. won’t let Bargs go if he isn’t broken, and if Bargs IS broken, he isn’t valuable in trade…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya, I don’t think we should discuss from the perspective of “what would Colangelo do” as we couldn’t even discuss LeBron or Howard for Bargnani because we know BC would veto that deal… We should approach from what WE would do as rational human beings.

by MAS11 on Feb 8, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 on Beal

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, quick poll...

We fluke out, get the number one pick…

RIGHT NOW, who do you pick and how do you fit them into our plans?

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

For me, I see MKG as Dwayne Wade skills with Kobe work ethic and D. Rose accountability...

He is far and away my cornerstone piece in this draft…

While a Davis selection makes Amir and Ed Davis trade-able, I think he gets stuck behind Andrea and J Val and we don’t get a star in our starting rotation in return for Amir and Ed…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Anthony Davis.

No question. He plays the Marcus Camby role to Big Val’s Andersen Varejao.

I worry about Bargs, Ed and Amir later as in many ways, I still think two of the 3 are better suited for coming off the pine.

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And yes, that’s coming from potentially the world’s biggest MKG fan. You have Val and Anthony Davis up front, and opposing teams simply don’t score in the paint. Especially once the two bulk up.

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

My only argument is that I don't think you can rationally say Davis is given minutes ahead of Bargs...

So he gets his minutes if J Val doesn’t shine… which isn’t prospected to be likely…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

B.C.'s hope was that Casey could work his Dirk magic on Bargs and keep him as his flagship in the fleet...

So far it looks like he’s succeeding and B.C. gets to continue parading Bargs as “the man”…

Unless something changes enough to convince B.C. there is no hope, the only minutes available to a new big man will be through J Val’s failing…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 8, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Mik has a point

BC wouldn’t trade Bargs when he was floundering the fanbase was calling for his head. Why would he trade him now that he feels vindicated in choosing Bargs first over all? Even if got to choose A. Davis, he will be the first big off the bench at best. Sorry Adam, but your dream team of J Val and A Davis up front is likely to be trumped by BC’s dream team of J Val and Andrea. Still, you pick the best player available and the concesus seems to be Davis is that player.

by Posterized on Feb 8, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you can get away with it for a year or two. Even if they both come in and are good right away, there are 96 minutes to split up. Once JV and Davis are ready to play 35 minutes a night though, someone has to go.

by Mistafitz on Feb 8, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you could get away with having the four of them split time

However, I don’t have faith in BC letting go of Andrea, who will be 30 when our other bigs (J Val, Davis and Davis) are ready to assume the role.

by Posterized on Feb 8, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but Val and Davis will be his picks too, so hopefully he’ll take pride in them too.

If we got Davis, I’d deal Ed on the spot so I wouldn’t worry about that.

by Mistafitz on Feb 8, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Best Player Available

So Anthony Davis and have him, Val and Bargs split time at the 4/5. In that scenario I’d move Amir and Ed immediately for perimeter help (since they won’t get minutes anyway) and use a guy like Gray for the leftover minutes for a small contract. Once Davis and Valanciunas’ game’s mature, you deal Andrea.

The only way I don’t go that route is if someone offers me a pick that can get MKG and either another top 10 pick or a good young player at a need position.

Davis is the only sure-fire All-Star in this draft. Everyone else has questions, although I believe MKG will get there too.

by Mistafitz on Feb 8, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Best Player

Davis appears to be the most talented big and Barnes and Kidd G the best non bigs. Sullinger is a monster. Perry Jones has huge upside.

Drummond or Lamb could be ok, but not as exciting. Terrence Jones as well.

No one else in the draft is “exciting” to me at this time. So for me, we need to get a top 4 pick to ensure we get a player we are thrilled about and a top eight pick to have a chance to get that type of player and after that I think it is a crapshoot. We need blue chip prospects in this upcoming draft. I hope we pick top four.

by defensive rap on Feb 8, 2012 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Warning readers right now...

…if the Raps draft Terrence Jones, I’ll probably shut the HQ down.

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by Adam Francis on Feb 8, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Terence Jones reminds me of Javele McGee…….great athlete, no basketball IQ at all.

by Mistafitz on Feb 8, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

REALLY?!?

That visceral a reaction?? I actually thought Terrance Jones was a decent player last season, top 5 if he would have declared. He’s playing on basically and AAU all-star team this season so he hasn’t been in the spotlight, granted. But wow those are bold statements. Maybe I’ve missed something when I’ve watched him… Is he really that bad?

by MAS11 on Feb 8, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong, he doesn’t have Javele (or his mom’s) flair for making themselves look stupid, but for an athlete as good as Jones, he has no idea how to translate that into being a dominant basketball player, and if he can’t figure out how to dominate against inferior athletes in college, I have zero confidence he’ll figure it out against pros.

by Mistafitz on Feb 8, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, OK gotta watch a couple more Kentucky games I suppose…

by MAS11 on Feb 8, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Sullinger

While athletically, he’s not the most tantalizing player in this draft, and will probably drop to the bottom half of the lottery on draft night, you can make a case that he is alot easier to project than most others that are pegged to be in the lottery.

MAS11 I beleive compared him to a less-crazy Zach Randolph, and I agree. With his post game, he’s a lock for 16-18 PPG and 8 rebounds. That’s pretty good.

But his value in this draft speaks to a bigger issue I think. How many good back-to-the-basket players are there in the NBA right now? There’s not too many back-down players in the league anymore, so a guy like Sullinger provides a look that alot of teams aren’t accustomed to seeing.

If the Raptors end up in the bottom half of the top ten and MKG isn’t there, I wouldn’t be devastated if they took Sullinger. I don’t know what Val’s post game is like at this point, but I know that Bargs is a high-post, face-up player. Teaming him with a low-post, back to the basket player would give us alot of balance potentially.

by Mistafitz on Feb 8, 2012 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

You’re so right. His type is a rare breed. That’s why Memphis was such a tough out last year in the playoffs – no one had an answer for Randolf and his post game. Sullinger looks like a legitimate, automatic double team on most nights. He’s a beast down low.

by MAS11 on Feb 8, 2012 9:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The funny thing is that the NBA used to be loaded with good post players. I don’t know what happened, but most teams use their post-game as a different look, instead of the foundation of what they do. It has become a real perimeter league.

by Mistafitz on Feb 8, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Michael Jordan happened.

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