Tip-In: "Baby Steps" - Raptors Fall Short to Wizards in OT
It was an exciting finish to a game that the Toronto Raptors probably shouldn't have been in but the HQ's a ok with last night's loss to Washington...
I suppose there are a few different ways that you can look at last night's 111 to 108 loss to the Washington Wizards if you're a fan of the Toronto Raptors.
On one hand, you could be happy having seen your team battle back from an 18 point deficit to force overtime in a game they had no business being in, based on their lackluster first half play.
On the other, you could be disgusted with the loss for those same reasons, since even some modicum of urgency in the first half likely would have meant a Toronto win.
Heartbroken is of course another option here, considering Toronto did indeed fight all the way back, only to go cold in the extra session, losing all momentum, and the game in the process.
Or maybe you're like me this morning, quite content with how things turned out considering it plays into the best-case scenario you described at the beginning of the season; the club fights hard each and every night, the youngsters continue to develop and the D improves, but the team simply doesn't have the talent to rack up many wins, giving them another top lottery pick when all is said and done.
And last night's loss, well, it would contribute nicely to said scenario would it not?
Here we had a Raptors' team looking dead in the water after one half, displaying none of the energy or intensity they displayed 24 hours earlier against the Miami Heat. The Wizards held a double digit lead for the bulk of the game, and this one looked to be a potential blowout loss.
But Raptors' coach Dwane Casey rallied the troops and by the time the fourth quarter was halfway through, it looked like a Toronto win was suddenly a possibility with the Raptors surging on the strength of the play of Jerryd Bayless and Linas Kleiza.
You have to tip your hat in fact to the job Casey did last night.
Some of his usual suspects simply didn't have it going so Casey planted them firmly on the bench, opting to go with what was working. That was primarily Bayless and Kleiza but it also included players like Anthony Carter in stretches, and whoever he inserted, seemed to reward his decision with a big play. If not for Casey's personnel moves, and his consistent use of various defensive schemes late in the game which completely took the Wizards out of their previous offensive groove (Washington shot about 60 per cent from the field until late in the match) this surely would have been another L in the loss column.
It also didn't hurt that Jerryd Bayless made like The Fresh Prince and took over scoring-wise late. It might as well have been a scene out of the "Pass it to Will" episode as the rest of Bayless' teammates got nary a look through the game's final possessions.
John Wall was no slouch either and the game's final minutes were essentially the Bayless vs. Wall show. Neither was uber-efficient on the night, Wall was 10 for 19 while Bayless was 9 of 23, but it made for one of the more entertaining finishes for the Raptors in quite some time. Add in Linas Kleiza's best game in probably a year (30 points on 11 of 16 shooting, including a Mo Pete-esque awkward 3-pointer to keep Toronto within striking distance late) and this was must watch basketball.
Ok...maybe for Dino die-hards.
Beyond the loss, the team's lackluster play early, and the gutsy finish, there are a few things that I think need to be highlighted from this game.
For starters, hopefully Bayless' play at the 2 of late opens the door to moving Leandro Barbosa.
Bryan Colangelo recently noted that teams indeed have been inquiring about the former Suns' services, but perhaps now the Raps would feel comfortable enough to deal him for something more "future forward" let's say. A first-round pick might be a stretch, but getting something to help with the Raptors' ongoing rebuild would be big.
This then plays into my next point from last night's affair.
The Raptors need to add more talent, and the best way to do this unfortunately, is through the draft. I say unfortunately, because getting a higher draft pick usually means having a worse record, meaning losing more games meaning fans throwing around the dreaded word "tank."
I'm not advocating starting Anthony Carter here. As previously noted, I want to see this team grow and develop but a few more losses, including ones like last night's are probably better for the franchise in the long run. Even with the loss last night, the Raptors are only three and half games out of a playoff spot in the East, so this is a season where games like last night's could very well mean the difference between an Anthony Davis, and a Cody Zeller.
And that's why moving Barbosa plays into this whole "eye towards the future" movement. (I prefer that over "tank," although admittedly, based on advanced stats, Toronto may actually win more games minus Leandro.) If Jerryd Bayless looks like a future 2 for this club, then press him into action from here on out. By default his youth makes him a much more viable option than Barbosa, and who knows, maybe Jerryd even becomes a Ben Gordon-esque player for the Dinos down the road, igniting the club off the bench. (Ben Gordon the Chicago Bull that is.)
Because someone needs to provide that spark.
You'd assume minus Andrea Bargnani that it would be DeMar DeRozan, especially after his outstanding performance against the Heat one day earlier, but DeMar didn't even play last night.
Wait...he did?
In fact not only did he play, but did you know DeMar DeRozan played a team-high 44 minutes last night?
No?
Me neither, until I glanced at the box score this AM.
DeRozan did have 15 points and 4 rebounds, but this was about as invisible a 15 as possible and DeRozan's 4 of 10 shooting performance wasn't the type of effort this team is looking for from it's potential franchise cornerstone.
I wouldn't be surprised if from here on out actually, Bayless becomes the team's second option offensively when Andrea returns. He's streaky as hell, but Bayless does a better job of consistently competing at both ends and is still the best option the Raptors have in terms of creating off the bounce. Watching him last night made me wonder if we weren't putting a bit too much stock in Bargnani's early absence, since Mr. Bayless was missing for a chunk of that time as well.
So tally things up here.
Did Toronto lose to a team they're trying to catch in the "draft standings?"
Yes.
Did they compete in said loss, nearly stealing the win?
Indeed they did.
Did we see some more promise from the club's youngsters?
In Bayless for sure, however Amir Johnson had another solid game for TO too.
When you add those points up, I think it's hard to be too upset with last night's end result. This season to me is about baby steps in the right direction and while yesterday evening's match ended up being the 18th L on the season for Toronto, it could be an L we as fans look back on with gratitude.
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Let’s tank properly this year so we do not need to do this again. I am a terrorized that a team playing like the Raps are, is still 5th worst…
+1
How the hell are the Raptors still only 5th worst in the league. The NBA has the worst parity among all 4 pro leagues in North America.
Yeah, not worse than baseball but it’s frustrating to see an 8 and 18 team still be within striking distance of the playoffs for sure…well…in this season it is.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Feb 7, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, I disagree wholeheartedly. The NBA is worse than baseball. Who expected the Giants to win the World Series? Who expected the Cardinals to win it this season? Who expected the Rockies to barely squeak into the playoffs and sweep their way to an improbable World Series run. In the NBA, it’s so damn cut and dry. We don’t have surprises anymore. I loved the fact that the Mavs and Grizz made some noise last season because the whole concept of a SUCCESSFUL underdog was SO alien to me when it comes to the NBA. We just always know it’s going to be the same teams recycled over and over.
As of 2010, there had been only EIGHT different teams that won championships in the NBA in 30 years. Compare this number to 15 teams in the NFL, 19 in the MLB, and 14 in the NHL. If it makes me nuts to suggest that the NBA completely lacks parity, then sure, I guess I’m nuts. This has to be the only league where being seeded 5-8 in the playoffs is MUCH worse than picking up a top 5 pick. At that point, you’re essentially stuck in No-man’s land. And then we wonder why so many teams have losing records.
It’s a fundamental flaw in how the league is constructed. It’s one of the biggest pissoffs to me as an avid sports enthusiast.
No Doubt With Jonas Instead of Gray or The Other Johnson
the Raptors win both of those games in Miami and Washington.
Where are all the Kleiza bashers now?
Go Team Lithuania
Not that MAS was a Kleiza basher by any means...
but I couldn’t help but think how pleasant a surprise it has been that MAS’ prediction of Kleiza not coming back strong from microfracture surgery was off…
So far…
I think he is nicely boosting his trade value…
I am on the fence as to whether he may be a keeper, as it seems he has no problem working in the system and seems to have let any past ego issues go… I think he has the opportunity to really succeed here…
I just don’t know how willing I am to risk the knee issues going forward…
Is it better to get value for him now (soon) and take the chance that his knee never acts up again and he thrives for someone else instead of us?
To be honest I am really torn. Every game he is looking like a more viable piece of this team’s future.
"the Truth"
He is still a first big off the bench type player though (on a good team) at best. Overall though its good to see that BC isn’t a total dufus.
The one thing I think we all have to keep in mind is that on this team, guys like Kleiza, Gray, Bayless, James Johnson, and on and on, look a lot better because they’ve got the green light pretty much. And really, have we seen ANY consistency on this team so far from a single player? Good players consistently perform at a high level. I’d say Bargs is the only Raptor to do that, and even he’s shaky because of the small sample size. Jose comes closest after that, but even he’s been sketchy lately.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with that but even if Kleiza isn't a "good" player as u described
I still find his size and style of play useful. To me he’s a low maintenance utility player who can do a little bit of everything and every team, good or bad, could use one of those.
Kleiza - not sure y we'd trade a productive player on a team with very few productive players
uUnless we’re getting a stud back, which is not realistic, I don’t see y we’d get rid of a productive forward that can play both SF&PF. He appears to be a keeper for me. A glue guy who will sometimes have big games, I’ll take that for his price tag.
Like I said, the reasoning behind possibly trading him would be a fear of his knee not holding up...
I have a nagging apprehension that he goes down with a month left in the season and is forced to retire, and we end up with another hole to be filled…
"the Truth"
You’re right and he has looked much better on occasion than I anticipated. However, he has had some terrible nights as well. Let’s hope he proves me wrong and bounces back from what could have been a career ending (or at least limiting) injury.
This goes back to the consistency thing I was noting…the Raps have no one who maintains a certain level of play consistently…ok…maybe Alabi…as in not playing.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
Solomon Alibi is wasting away on this team.
We clearly would have won last night had we inserted Alibi at center. Hell the game would not have even made it to OT had we used Solo. It’s time we admitted the Gray/Amir/Magloir experiment has failed.
Yes
Also, if Ed Davis played every minute of last night’s game, the Raptors would have won by 40 points. Oh, and Smitch should be hired back as coach.
#irrationalfanboylogic
This team would be contending for a championship on the shoulders of Solo’s superior talent and Smitch’s post game rants alone!
An Ed Davis and Solo front court would:
- Lead the league in Points in the Paint
- Block at least 10 shots per game (that’s only 5 each, totally in the realm of possibility)
- Average 30 rebounds per game
- And translate to at least a 60 win campaign for the Raptors’ next year.
You mock Solo in spite of his tremendous physical gifts and sky high basketball IQ.
Clearly you are nothing more than a “hater” and thus your sarcastic remarks are nothing more than trivial drivel.
Yes, Mikthaniel
You are officially part of the Alabi doubter`s club.
On a serious note
How awesome is Mr.T… I mean James Harden? Watched the OKC game last night. Love his game. Do you think they would trade him to us for Derozan, Forbes and Butler? Maybe we can sweeten the pot by adding a sign and trade of Money Weems.
posterized...
your mocking of the fan boys is just brilliant. i laugh everytime i read your posts.
OK
Not sure if you are still being sarcastic here… But if you’re not, there’s no way in hell OKC does that deal.
There’s certainly no actual proof that this isn’t true…
As such, I cannot refute it. Alabi/Davis billing for President!
I do too…when he’s got talent around him. If he came here now it would be barely any different than his current situation in Phoenix.
Man he’s playing well though for someone at his position and at that age…just awesome. And a big happy birthday shoutout!
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Steve Nash is without question the greatest Canadian player ever! He is also in the discussion of being one of the greatest 50 NBA players of all time. However….
Having him in a Raps uniform would only extend the rebuild by a few years. Even with a pick in the top 4-7 range, bringing over JV this team would only be on the cusp of making the playoffs for the next few years. Then Nash retires or declines and this team is back where it is today.
i would like to see him either traded or signed in the off season by a good team that lacks a star and have him take it over the top for a championship. A team like Atlanta comes to mind. It would be great to see him traded to a team like Atlanta and have him take them to the promised land.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Feb 7, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
disagree
the team is a borderline playoff team at full roster this year. Even now, as dreadful this season is it is 3 games out of the playoffs. A pick in that range gives you an elite SF. A team that has JV, Bargnani,HB, DD and Nash with Barbosa, Kleyza JJ, AJ, JB and ED out of the bench is a team good for trying to go to the 2nd round.
Next year the core pieces will have to be in place (providing you nail a SF at draft time) With that team (sans Nash) I would cord Deron, Nash the second, but he would leave long term PG situation up in the air.
Disagree.
First of all, calling this team – essentially the same team as the 22 win team last year – a borderline playoff team is extremely generous if not outright wrong. Second, so you get Nash to come play for a few years, we maybe (MAYBE) make into the second round once, miss out on high draft picks as a result and then what happens when Nash retires? No, this rebuild is still a few years shy of when adding a veteran of Nash’s ilk is a smart move.
There’s also the issue of figuring out which players fit Casey’s style and which ones don’t. And then how do you extract value for those guys?
DeMar DeRozan has been a disaster. Calderon is not a long-term option at the PG spot. Barbosa should not be on the roster past the trade deadline.
This team is light years away from being a contender. I don’t see anything positive about a team that squeaks into the playoffs with a sub .500 record.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Feb 7, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
this is a different discussion all together
I was answering to Al Bundy who said that a team like that would struggle to reach the playoffs.
like that
Meaning the team with JV + an high pick + Nash
Huh?
Maybe you need to re-read the thread.
Bundy said basically he doesn’t want Nash on the team as it would extend the rebuild. You said you disagreed and that this is a borderline playoff team and we should go free agent shopping for Nash or Deron in the off season. I disagreed that this is a borderline playoff team and emphasised that this rebuild is still a few years from the point when the team should pursue big name free agents.
What are you referring to when you say “this is a different discussion all together”? Its the same EXACT discussion!
maybe you have
I quote:
. Even with a pick in the top 4-7 range, bringing over JV this team would only be on the cusp of making the playoffs for the next few years.
I wa reacting to that
Raptors a contender in the near future
Suppose the following highly unlikely events were to occur:
- Colangelo trades for a second lottery pick using some combination of Ed, DeMar, Barbosa
- Raptors get lucky in the lottery and one of their picks lands in the top 3
- Raptors manage to draft 2 studs (as long as we are being fanciful, let’s say Barnes and Anthony Davis)
- Seeing the Raptors potential and emboldened by his success in Turkey, Deron Williams, improbably signs in Toronto
After this improbable series of events the Raptors have a front court rotation of JV, Bargnani, ADavis, Amir. Their backcourt is now anchored by Deron with Jose coming off the bench. On the wings you get offense from Barnes, defense from James Johnson and toughness from Kleiza.
To balance things out you could trade Bargnani or ADavis for a star two-way SG who would be backed up by Bayless.
My point here, is that it would take a tremendous amount of good fortune for the Raptors to be true contenders in the short term. I would love it if all the things I just listed actually happened, but I am absolutely not holding my breath.
by DW19 on Feb 7, 2012 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
Anybody thinking we are going deep into the playoffs (consistantly) starting within the next two years is fooling themselves. Building through the draft is not as easy as it sounds. It is a long process that often requires a bit of trial and error and as DW19 stated, luck. It will take years, not a year.
3 years....
realistically the first year is about getting that high pick and a plyer who works out, also creating cap space for a year or two in the future.
2nd year, another painful year but developing that franchise player and then another good draft pick.
3rd year-playoffs and the peices coming together, surround your two young players and start to add veterans to fill in the holes.
UGH. This team is not borderline playoff and even if they were that is hardy a good goal considering the complete lack of talent overall on this team. I want to be a contender for a championship every year for a decade instead of being a contender for the 8th playoff spot every year. Stop confusing this teams few wins against mediocre opponents (with a few good wins thrown in) as being a marginal playoff team.
maybe it is a testament to the status of the conference
But even now they are just 3 games out of it
demar
Great game to watch..seems always crazy when these 2 teams play. With the way bayless has been playing lately and if what you say is true and teams have asked about barbosa than for sure he’s as good as gone..but the way bosa has been playing lately (he’s just missing every shot now) might be hard to get anything really good back..which brings me to derozan…I for one like the kid been upsetting seeing how often he disappears in some games and yet be so good in others..look at how he played with the heat..if he can put up those kid of numbers (with james the one guarding him most of the night) than he should be able to do that to anyone in the league yet last night for example it didn’t happen. He had a decent game but yet it was a quite one and far too many times I blame it on people not getting him the ball…I was watching the 4th and there was a long streacth where demar never even touched the ball, just park in the corners as a decoy..for someone who’s suppose to be our future shooting guard he’s gotta see the ball more than he has…I undertand last night bayless had it going on and you should ride the hot hand but too many times he gets caught up on the 1-on-1 matchup and forgets about his other teammates.
by sherwing32 on Feb 7, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
At least we're learning something
Truth be told, I was hoping this season would end up being alot shorter than 66 games. Reason being, I did not want to watch this team bumble through another season while getting pounded by the rest of the league in the process. It really tests your fandom.
That said, we have learned some things that should be helpful down the road as we build towards a contender (hopefully)….
1. Jerryd Bayless can be your sixth man, but keep him away from the starters! While it was great to see Bayless compete as hard as he did at both ends of the floor, he sure has blinders on when it comes to running the offense. Like Adam said, I’d like him in Barbosa’s role more than I like Barbosa there.
2. Dwane Casey can coach. I haven’t loved everything that Casey has done this year, but I LOVED how he got the ball out of Wall’s hands by trapping above the 3pt line in the 4th quarter. You can’t do that all game because it gets figured out, but when you need 1 stop, it’s a nice move. I also love how he nails guys asses to the bench if they’re not performing. The young players have to learn accountability; playing time is earned, not guaranteed.
3. Demar Derozan is not the answer at the 2. This has been the most disappointing revelation for me this season. I love the kid’s work ethic, but he’s got far too many holes in his game. I mean, does he have the worst ball handling at the 2 in the NBA? Do you just hold the basketball like a football in the Drew League, tuck it in and run at the basket? It actually looks like his dribbling is worse this year, as hard as it is to believe. He doesn’t even do that spin dribble anymore that he did every game last year. Furthermore, he’s just not that good of an athlete. James Johnson is far more athletic than Demar, and we got him for next to nothing. Could we get a 1st round pick for Demar right now?
4. If you believe that Andrea’s start to the season is not a mirage and he does now “get it”, then you have to deal one of Amir or Ed. With Jonas coming in next year, there won’t be enough minutes for both of them. The 4th big will only see around 10 minutes a game and I don’t think you want to pay either of them what they’re making to play that role.
all very good observations
Not sure I’d trade Demar but I’d add starting SG to our list of needs. So basically we need a starting calibre PG (Calderon getting older),SG&SF. Lots of work to do here.
Absolutely
Someone made the comment in an earlier post about our bench being great, but unfortunately they are all starting for us. Basically, as of right now, we need a starting quality player at every position as it is no sure fire bet that Jonas will succeed in this league. The verdict is still out on Ed Davis as our PF of the future as well. I still don’t consider Bargs part of our rebuild as we are AT LEAST 3 to 4 years away from consistantly going deep into the playoffs and by then, Andrea will be in the twilight of his prime.
too bad we only have one lottery pick bec
that’s the easiest way to get starters. Also hope we sign W. Chandler to a reasonable contract. We could use a good SG/SF role player.
I’ll paraphrase: Sonny’s feeling are hurt that we don’t talk about him here, so he doesn’t want to come back.
RAPTORS NOT MY TEAM ANYMORE
Some people ask me about the Raptors. Well, Toronto is not my team. They don’t mention me in their future plans or anything like that. A couple other NBA teams are really interested in me and that’s what I’m looking for. I’m not just focused on Toronto because you read articles about the team and my name never comes up. I’ll just focus on finishing this season and find the best possible team. I have some overseas teams also interested, but my main goal is going back to the NBA. If it’s not possible, I’ll stay in Europe.
It’s still all up in the air.
Talk to you soon!
"the Truth"
Jaded much?
Maybe we aren’t talking about you because you aren’t here.





























