Game Day Thread: Toronto Raptors vs. Washington Wizards
by Adam Francis on Feb 6, 2012 6:30 PM EST
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The Wizards again?
Yep, only this time Toronto is in Washington to take on a team they've already played twice this season.
The Raps should have a 2 - 0 record against the Wiz but as we all know, that's not the case so the tie-breaker goes tonight on TSN.
I'm going to settle in for a nice game of ill-advised shot attempts, transition dunks, and errant passes...
GO RAPS!
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Let's hope so
As much as I want the extra lottery balls, it’s got to be deflating to lose to a train wreck like the Wizards twice in one season.
Like to see some more lottery balls too but just not sure how the team can possibly drop below clubs like Charlotte.
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McGee At Home This Year
PPG – 11
RPG – 9
BPG – 3
VG chance he will get a double-double tonight
On Jan 14th vs Philly
Points 23
Rebounds 18
Blocks 5
He as embarrassed in the last game vs Toronto. I think he comes out with an attitude tonight.
postersized
see previous thread about mocking jawai n alibi
Oh man, missed that, going now.
As an aside, BC might have the worst record of drafting in the second round.
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Admittedly, I don't follow the draft much beyond the first round (lazy I guess)
Besides the infinitely talented “Solo”, who else has he drafted?
Besides Solo we’re talking PJ Tucker, the Greek kid who never made it over, name escapes me at the minute, and of course Nathan Jawai.
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With a nickname like "Aussie Shaq"
Don’t even try to tell me you wouldn’t have drafted him. I’m surprised BC didn’t take him with a lottery pick.
BARGS!
Just read a brief report of Jawai in Minny.
Nathan Jawai was a third-string center for one of the worst teams my hapless Minnesota Timberwolves ever fielded (seriously – the guys in front of Jawai were Ryan Hollins and Oleksi friggin’ Pecherov).
I once spotted Jawai shopping at a local Best Buy. It’s hard to miss a 6’10", 280-pound Aboriginal Australian wearing a full Timberwolves warm-up suit, yet somehow my wife and I seemed to be the only people in the store who recognized him.
Funny thing is
99% of Aussies wouldn’t know who he is either, Andrew Bogut is the only well known Aussie baller in Oz.
What is a strong take?
To me DD shied away from the contact there.
im streaming it so im 5seconds behind.
i was like what jump shot…haha
Trying not to fall asleep
but if I do, wake me when it’s over :p
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 6, 2012 7:31 PM EST reply actions
That was... Unbelievable
can’t believe when brady threw that lob-interception
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 6, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
How about welker dropping that pass?
Or Branch missing that one near the end, he catches that he is gone for 15more yards.
You hear about Gisele?
*sigh*
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 6, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Good game eh? I can remember the Superbowl always being a snoozer but over the past five, six years, pretty solid.
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League parity?
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 6, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm starting to worry that this team isn't bad enough
to pick a top 7 draft pick
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 6, 2012 7:33 PM EST reply actions
On that note...
Who would people prefer… Derozan or Jeremy Lamb or Bradly Beal
Haven’t seen a ton of Beal but I am starting to think he could be an Eric Gordon type player, lil short for the 2 but great shooter and strong.
Lamb could be great because of his ability to use screens and shoot, but could be a bust because he isn’t physically strong and doesn’t take it to the hoop well.
Wizards
Have the worst shot selection in the NBA
It’s brutal.
BUT…I’m finding tonight they’re doing a better job moving the ball around.
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Raps are really helping them out, this is pathetic.
No ball movement, no sptrinting up or down the floor. No energy.
This is the difference between young teams and veteran teams, and the effort level against under 500 teams.
God... Barbosa.... Pass it for chrissakes
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 6, 2012 7:42 PM EST reply actions
Instead of assists per game, he needs a whole new category, “pass attempts per game.” I’d say he averages 3.
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feel like...
we play 1on5 or 4on5.
The other guys don’t want to pass to bayless because they know no one else will touch the ball.
Wake me when we're drafting...
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 6, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
raps have to keep him...
you know him n jonas will be close.
youngsters..
demar, ed and amir have combined for 4 points n 2 boards in 25min
amnesty?
think the raps should amnesty anyone.
I think you hold onto it
The Raptors don’’t need to worry about the cap and can possibly use it to take on a contract in a trade and use it then. I think it’s a really useful tool but something the Raptors shouldn’t be in a rush to use.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 6, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Can't do that
you cannot amnesty players you acquire after the CBA is signed. That includes players you trade for.
Yeah, only option is to use it on players you acquired pre-new CBA.
Strategically I suppose you COULD use it to cut someone who was helping you win too many games.
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lol.
If we sign Chandler I feel like someone should be cut. Just not sure who….
no one is suggesting Bargs
I’d think Amir and Kleiza may be guys brought up, but I doubt we could do it to them.
Jose if we aren’t able to trade him, but I can’t see him being that hard to move.
I still don't want to get rid of Amir
Current slump aside, I think he is a great contributor off the bench. Love his hustle and energy.
I think you are right about Jose. Someone will need his services. Same with Barbosa.
Bargs has proven he can be quite the bargain at 10 mil a season (provided he keeps playing like he has been)
I guess Kleiza does fit. I still like him coming off the bench though.
that's beyond me
I guess because Butler is a natural 3, while Forbes is undersized for the 3 spot.
It just seems to me...
…if you are going to constantly role out a small line up, and Butler is hogging up all the suck, why not give Forbes a shot at the three? Or stick Derozan at the three and put Forbes at the two?
Starting Gray is getting dumb...
I have no problems with how he is playing but why play him for 6min than sit him the rest of the half. I really don’t understand that, obviously Casey thinks there are better players than Gray, so why bother starting him?
This has nothing to do with Gray’s play but how he is being used, it just doesn’t seem logical. I’d rather he was just sat or he played 4min off, played some more minutes in the 2nd quarter. Not just start and than sit.
Getting our asses handed to us by the Wizards? Turn on game, regret it instantly and get bottle of Chivas off the shelf
Turn on game, regret it instantly and get bottle of Chivas off the shelf
Rinse and repeat
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Halftime Thoughts
Sign of a bad team – great game against a top 3 club, terrible game against a bottom 3 team.
Hard to properly articulate how out of synch the Raps are. Shooting 37%, allowing the Wiz to hit on 60% of their shots, and TO’s 11 turnovers have given Washington an extra 18 points.
Hope Casey lights them up in the dressing room here.
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and we lose by one by a miracle Nick Young three at the buzzer
by defensive rap on Feb 6, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Why I feel good...
Last year after a poor performance like this, I feel like Triano would go in there and put it all on x’s and o’s.
You just know Casey is ripping them a new one. Seeing how they respond is a big deal in terms of who we keep around.
First thing Casey talks about coming out for the half...
“Not lying down.” Toughness, that’s what we will see if they respond to their coach.
by defensive rap on Feb 6, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Barnes looks like a man among boys in some games
and he would be a nice pickup.
Even if we lose this game it will be tough to lose as much as the Wiz or Bobcats or the Hornets unless Eric comes back and lights it up….man Stern is on the hook if he walks at FA. I would love to see it. These are awful teams.
But this loss could be key in our quest for Ping Pong balls. Tough love baby, that’s what we need right now. “My momma said there’d be days like this….”
But like Dire Straits said, “Why worry now, there will be sunshine after rain, these things have always been the same….” so I say, let it pour.
Why do people think Gordon is going anywhere?
He is going to resign with the Hornets at 4yr/61 million because he is a restricted free agent and they will have to match. There is zero chance they don’t match.
yes
but if he comes out and stinks it up after he recovers it will put the Hornets in a tough spot. They have to pay him the max, so he must play like a max level player and even if he does that team still sucks and has little flexibility moving forward. The LA Laker trade was better for them to stay competitive. The deal with the Clips puts a huge emphasis on Gordon’s future potential but he has not proven himself to be anything more than a hot prospect with lots of potential. His numbers don’t show he deserves max money. Tough spot for N.O.
by defensive rap on Feb 6, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
If he doesn’t play well, than other teams won’t offer him max and the Hornets won’t have to pay him max. If he wants a max contract he has to come back and play well.
plus...
if they get a top 5 pick and another lottery pick from minny.
they end up with for example
Jack, Gordon, Gilcrest-Kidd, Zeller
Gordon could be a nice piece
Jack is a good player, but something you build a franchise around. I loved him when he was here, but if all you have is Gordon and Jack and two rookies, you might as well add the other high draft pick you will get next year after that team loses a lot of games.
by defensive rap on Feb 6, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
The body of work will be a problem
If he takes a lot longer to come back how much time will they have to evaluate him? I bet some GMs will still offer max money for one of two reasons;
1. to make the Hornets pay up knowing that they will to save face on the Clippers deal
2. because they see real potential in him and discard this seasons results as a fluke and attribute it to the injury.
Either way he would have to play pretty awful to not make 4/61. If he plays pretty good, it puts N.O. in a tough spot.
by defensive rap on Feb 6, 2012 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
maybe....I am not sure yet
I don’t know enough about his game
I love him, great three point shooter and can take his defender off thebounce. Little undersized but very strong on his drive and surprising athletic.
Could be a star.
I agree with the could be part for sure
by defensive rap on Feb 6, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
no, I agree with you fully, not sarcastically
but I still am not convinced he’s a max money guy. I know he could be, but for example, I have no idea of his defence and if you showed me those scoring numbers with Andrea last year and made the argument he was only 25 years old and a big, which is rarer……I would not have believed you. The Clippers sucked on D last year, so I would like to have some more understanding of his all around game. Not hating, just not informed and would like to see a larger body of work.
by defensive rap on Feb 6, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Jeremy Lin
Leading the Knicks to a halftime lead with no Melo and no Amare.
The Lin Love is so funny. Knicks fans are DESPERATE.
And I LIKE Lin…saw him live in Vegas in ironically, John Wall’s Summer League and he was taking it too Wall.
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Lin makes sense with the ball hogs they have out there with him…I love Shumpert’s athleticism, but he is not a pg…
Talkinf fantasy bball on twitter http://twitter.com/FinalsFantasy#
by JumpShootersRUS on Feb 6, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
but tonight...
ny pulls this off and they may call for melo to be traded to bring some help in for lin. lol
no melo, no amare and they are beating hte jazz
Harvard
I went to U Penn from 93-96 and Harvard always sucked. We beat them all eight times I was in school with Fran Dunphy and had 2 NBA players in our backcourt. The first and only time two NBA players played on the same Ivy league team….good times.
Good luck to Lin. He finally gives me a reason to cheer for the Knicks.
Wait, was that the Matt Maloney era?
Pretty cool experience though I imagine.
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yep
Dunphy was coach. Jerome Allen was the best player and Matt Maloney, who transferred from some second tier school was a backup after he waited a season.
We had no big men and lost to Alabama in the second round of the NCAAS. Antonio McDyess went off for something like 34 pts and 18 rebs or more even and we lost. With McDyess on our squad we coulda won the whole thing. Maloney and Allen, they were smooth and Maloney could stroke it from way deep. Allen could slash with the best of them and played a few seasons in the NBA as well.
My roommate was the leading scorer in Maryland high school ball and he was a backup to both of them so he decided to run track instead….he didn’t like sitting on the bench and they played the whole game at the 1 and 2. He would have started on any other Ivy League team but rode the pine for one year and then switched to track. Good times. The Palestra is an amazing stadium to watch bball and my uncle said it was the mecca of college ball in the 70s.
by defensive rap on Feb 6, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
now we will see if they can carry that momentum to make it a game
And the ping pong advocates can sweat it out
Yeah, I’m totally expecting the Wiz to combust here. LOTS of time.
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If Bargnani gets healthy...
For the rest of the season, could we make the playoffs….
Nope – you make the dance, you’re out of lottery contention.
And the Raps DESPERATELY need to make the lottery. An eighth place finish in the East is fool’s gold.
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don't disagree...
but do you think they will?
Too many mistakes
Raps still not doing the “little things” to win this one. Bad foul there by DeMar – Young had nowhere to go, no need to foul.
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I’m fine with him getting major minutes at the 2. But can we stop pretending he’s a 1?
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if he didn’t reset plays to run screen n rolls so often I’d love him.
He is a great defender on the ball and can create off the bounce and shoot the three.
Needs to become a better passer off the bounce.
Good game for DD
He has been consistent tonight, while he didn’t have that explosion like he did yesterday. Been a solid game, attacked pretty consistently, made a few nice passes for open jumpers
It’s a strange thing. DeRozan has been ok if you’re going by the standards most have set for him. Decent points, kind of invisible though. But if you view him as a third or fourth option, which may end up being his ceiling, this looks pretty good.
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Bayless on fire!!
Will Raptors match an offer for him in free agency?
depends on the offer
We all know colangelo doesn’t want long term commitement for a bad contract. If its around 4million, I think he will.
And further to my point about DD, it’s going to be REALLY interesting if Bayless keeps playing like this and the Raps have to decide between the two of them at the starting 2 spot. Sonny Weems all over again.
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You can almost see the $ signs in Bayle$$' eyes
Too bad no GMs are watching this game.
If you're going to have a Jose Calderon . . .
I think you want to let him QB the offense in a close 4th quarter situation
Feeling a bit of sympathy for Wiz fans right now. Been on the other end of the stick so many times. that sick feeling
By the way
Have the buds published their parade route and started selling the “Reimer for Vezina” gear?
Bayless showing y he can never be a starting PG
He can score sometimes yes, but look at tonight, he can’t set up the offence and run plays. He’s all abt his own off.
never is too strong of a word but basically he's been unable to run anything
for anyone but himself
When bargnani comes back..
I have problems with Bayless running the pick n roll because I don’t think he would ever give it to Bargnani.
lol
No, we shouldn’t give the ball to a guy who is top 5 in NBA scoring.
He is 0.1 ppg behind Derrick Rose for 5th in the NBA.
He has scored over 20 pointsi n every game except 2.
Gets to the ft line and shoots a good %
by your reasoning...
we should expect bayless to resort to the player he was last year, because he hasn’t done this lvl for 20 games.
AMIR
That’s why having a guy who can attack off the bounce is HUGE. Draws in D, opens up offensive rebounders.
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Great switch by JJ
Credit to Casey…looks like they had decided to switch everything.
It guess for the tanking crowd this is pretty much the ideal game: a comeback, some positive things to take from the game, but it ends with a likely loss to a team they will be competing with for Harrison Barnes
Bayless
Could his role really be any clearer…he is a typical 6th man. Great individual player, but can’t run the offence.
Really reminds me of Crawford.
Love his competitiveness, his ability to guard the ball and put pressure on it, and pure scoring ability. I just have no confidence with his ability to run an Offence.
I don’t think he’s a starter on a good team…way too streaky still. But love him as a scoring option off the bench getting lots of minutes in certain situations.
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by Adam Francis on Feb 6, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
best games when he is played...
Numbers are not that different from starter to bench on average production per minute.
His minutes just drop significantly when he comes off the bench. He needs to play because he can be productive but the problem is he really doesn’t make people around him better or get them the ball. If he can improve his ability to run the point, he definitely has the talent, btu its his style of play.
On average Bayless plays 30mpg in his career when eh starts.
He avg 15ppg/4.8apg
When he comes off the bench he plays only 15mpg, but still avg 6.6ppg/2.3 apg.
If he played 30min those numbers are 13.2ppg/4.6apg, not far off his avgs
can’t play with others….
On a good team with players who run an offence and play off of a system he can’t do it.
Could you imagine him running the point for the lakers?
If he comes off the bench for 25-30min, and is allowed to just play PnR and create, he can be very effective.
but...
he is best with the ball in his hands in PnR situations.
How many plays there did he make off the ball? None, everything was off teh bounce.
Which is why he needs to play significant minutes off the bench, so the ball can be in hsi hands more.
Magloire shouldn't
be in for any free throw situation, offence or defence.
I just tweeted that his PER just got even more negative. Ugh.
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by Adam Francis on Feb 6, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
HEY-YO
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by Adam Francis on Feb 6, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely…one of the better “viewing” matches in a while.
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by Adam Francis on Feb 6, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
My Prediction was ... Raps by 25+, Demar scores 32, Jose with 20 assists.
If anyone wants me I will be in the corner sobbing, dreaming of JV & Barnes.
Final Thoughts
Well…the Raps rode Jerryd Bayless about as long as they could but in the end, the first half malaise was too much to overcome. Think it’s safe to say that had Toronto played like they did in the second half for even three of the games four quarters, or four of five if you count OT, they would have won.
Full discussion tomorrow, Rapid Recap up next, and thanks to all for stopping by in what was one of the more entertaining Raptors’ games in the past few seasons.
Yes…I mean that.
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just sucked...every part of it
coaches subs weere so bad,,,,they were the subs a defebsuve guy wiould bmake because he has no clue on offense,
casy suchs,
outside defense sucks.
amir sucks,.
shooting guards suck.
giid luck with this season…
i will look forward to seeing Gray moved to a better team real sooon
what are you doing?
it sounds like you are throwing a temper tantrum. The majority of people here, myself included have enjoyed have you around but because you have a disagreement with one person you sulk?
be careful when you put words nd feelinh in to mym outh.
i get mad when people taunt you…when you get baited…
I don’t saulk…i get annoid and pissed and move along.
But this game…this coach has lost me.
You want to explain why gary stared, played well, scored oinys, set up player (who missed), then gets sent to the bench for the remainder og the game.
You got an answer for thisd?
Look…Iam outa here…hope you all enjoy the idiot announcing his fav amir and Magl….jus love their game.
Me, See you next team, gary.
this was awesome scotch sent to me from BenRiach Curiositas of scotland...4 bottles just cause they like me!
however…it dooes mess with the typing…like I needed more help there!~
Gray's minutes
I wonder if it has anything to do with his heart? He has started and then sat and not gone back in a few times now. It is strange.
BTW, Casey is a good coach and I for one as a fan am thrilled to have him leading our squad. He’s got Mitchell’s toughness with a lot more in depth knowledge on systems and better play calling.
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