The Ping-Pong People and The Fallacy Of The Broken Window
There are a number of Raptors fans??? who are rooting for the Raptors to lose every game so that the Raptors get more ping pong balls in the NBA Draft Lottery. This is akin to the "Broken Window Fallacy" of economics.
I. THE BROKEN WINDOW
Have you ever witnessed the anger of the good shopkeeper, James B., when his careless son happened to break a square of glass? If you have been present at such a scene, you will most assuredly bear witness to the fact, that every one of the spectators, were there even thirty of them, by common consent apparently, offered the unfortunate owner this invariable consolation - "It is an ill wind that blows nobody good. Everybody must live, and what would become of the glaziers if panes of glass were never broken?"
Now, this form of condolence contains an entire theory, which it will be well to show up in this simple case, seeing that it is precisely the same as that which, unhappily, regulates the greater part of our economical institutions.
Suppose it cost six francs to repair the damage, and you say that the accident brings six francs to the glazier's trade - that it encourages that trade to the amount of six francs - I grant it; I have not a word to say against it; you reason justly. The glazier comes, performs his task, receives his six francs, rubs his hands, and, in his heart, blesses the careless child. All this is that which is seen.
But if, on the other hand, you come to the conclusion, as is too often the case, that it is a good thing to break windows, that it causes money to circulate, and that the encouragement of industry in general will be the result of it, you will oblige me to call out, "Stop there! your theory is confined to that which is seen; it takes no account of that which is not seen."
It is not seen that as our shopkeeper has spent six francs upon one thing, he cannot spend them upon another. It is not seen that if he had not had a window to replace, he would, perhaps, have replaced his old shoes, or added another book to his library. In short, he would have employed his six francs in some way, which this accident has prevented.
Let us take a view of industry in general, as affected by this circumstance. The window being broken, the glazier's trade is encouraged to the amount of six francs; this is that which is seen. If the window had not been broken, the shoemaker's trade (or some other) would have been encouraged to the amount of six francs; this is that which is not seen.
And if that which is not seen is taken into consideration, because it is a negative fact, as well as that which is seen, because it is a positive fact, it will be understood that neither industry in general, nor the sum total of national labour, is affected, whether windows are broken or not.
Now let us consider James B. himself. In the former supposition, that of the window being broken, he spends six francs, and has neither more nor less than he had before, the enjoyment of a window.
In the second, where we suppose the window not to have been broken, he would have spent six francs on shoes, and would have had at the same time the enjoyment of a pair of shoes and of a window.
Now, as James B. forms a part of society, we must come to the conclusion, that, taking it altogether, and making an estimate of its enjoyments and its labours, it has lost the value of the broken window.
When we arrive at this unexpected conclusion: "Society loses the value of things which are uselessly destroyed;" and we must assent to a maxim which will make the hair of protectionists stand on end - To break, to spoil, to waste, is not to encourage national labour; or, more briefly, "destruction is not profit."
What will you say, Monsieur Industriel -- what will you say, disciples of good M. F. Chamans, who has calculated with so much precision how much trade would gain by the burning of Paris, from the number of houses it would be necessary to rebuild?
I am sorry to disturb these ingenious calculations, as far as their spirit has been introduced into our legislation; but I beg him to begin them again, by taking into the account that which is not seen, and placing it alongside of that which is seen. The reader must take care to remember that there are not two persons only, but three concerned in the little scene which I have submitted to his attention. One of them, James B., represents the consumer, reduced, by an act of destruction, to one enjoyment instead of two. Another under the title of the glazier, shows us the producer, whose trade is encouraged by the accident. The third is the shoemaker (or some other tradesman), whose labour suffers proportionably by the same cause. It is this third person who is always kept in the shade, and who, personating that which is not seen, is a necessary element of the problem. It is he who shows us how absurd it is to think we see a profit in an act of destruction. It is he who will soon teach us that it is not less absurd to see a profit in a restriction, which is, after all, nothing else than a partial destruction. Therefore, if you will only go to the root of all the arguments which are adduced in its favour, all you will find will be the paraphrase of this vulgar saying - What would become of the glaziers, if nobody ever broke windows?
The ping-pong people see a loss (a broken window) and they jump up and down in approval. They see the Raptors getting a higher draft pick, which in theory leads to drafting a better player. So they are happy.
What they do not see is that when the window is broken (Raptors lose) that replacing the window (getting a better draft pick) does not put the Raptors further ahead then winning and getting a lesser draft pick. The reason is this.
If the Raptors win enough to get say the eight or ninth pick as opposed to losing more and getting a higher draft pick we have the following. By winning less this season the Raptors have to add significantly more talent to become a playoff team then if they get the eight or ninth pick. Not only that but they have fewer francs (less in player assets) like the store owner to spend on buying shoes or in their case acquiring other better talent because none of their talent is good enough to get anyone of value in trade to make the team better.
The ping-pong people use the Fallacy Of The Broken Window argument just like Obama used in his infamous cash for clunkers program.
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there is a serious difference you are overlooking here
the player coming in costs nothing, and will likely be better than the existing pane of glass (ie. player).
So no, its really nothing like your broken glass theory.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Feb 18, 2012 12:06 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
poor analogy...
Especially considering a big reason the Raptors losses are adding up is injuries.
This story doesn’t take into account a player who is inured and costing the team games. This team that is playing’competitively’ will add there new players to its starting line up next year, Andrea (injured at the moment), Jonas and another pick.
Let me be clear I am talking about the team that has played the last 15 games, how much better is the team with Andrea. Well the 6-7 record speaks volumes. Add in two more talented players in Jonas and a high draft pick and the team is significantly better.
I of the Ping Pong People, do declare
that we, as a people, are sick of being persecuted and proclaimed against for our beliefs and our values. We are like all other people out there in Raptorland, we love our team, and we love our sport of basketball – just because we have a difference of opinion does not make us the enemy. Nay, we are still brothers; whether you worship the Great Lottery Spirit who bringeth gifts of small forwards and centres or whether you drink from the fountain of trades and free agents – we all want the same thing! And regardless what we want and how we want it to get there, whatever we say here does not effect that outcome, for we do not have the direct ear of the Basketball Gods. So I say to you, let us not argue and let us instead merely watch, wait, and see what happens.
Formerly known as timboslice85
by Rebrand_the_Raps on Feb 18, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Even the "People Behind the Green Door"..... are fans....
Up in the skyscrape, me and my apes, bake cakes.
wait, watch, and cheer
It’s just this cheering for loses is killing me.
My head tells me to take the medicine so I can feel better soon. My heart tells me to just keep going all in and even though it never works, at least you can say you gave it your all.
Then I remember the definition of insanity and think to myself, “We need to start over and rebuild a new foundation because this one ain’t working”
Don’t think you are more of a fan because you want them to finish tenth in the east this year by going all out to get as many wins as possible and overplaying our starters. We all want them to win in the end and both schools of thought have merit.
If we win, it’s good for morale and player development.
If we lose we get a higher draft pick.
With the way this draft is looking, I am leaning towards the draft pick in terms of future health of the franchise.
Where did you dig this article up Budda? The only country that uses francs is Switzerland unless its from France in the 90’s.
I agree with many of the other posters. This analogy doesn’t work here because winning is also “broken glass”. In fact winning with this team is actually a much better analogy for broken glass then losing is. Winning achieves nothing more than short term satisfaction. This team is barely (assuming you believe it of course) a playoff team and they are unlikely to add a player of quality through the draft with playoff level picks. They are also unlikely to add players through free agency so they do not have much chance to improve their situation. In other words, they may make the playoffs for a few years but they have little chance of actually winning even a single round and they have almost no chance of winning a championship so what is the point? In your analogy, winning means that the keeper cannot improve his situation because he is constantly paying for new glass (mid to late round picks) which are not very sturdy and thus eventually leads to the collapse of the window. If you want a strong window you need a strong foundation and that means breaking the glass completely and starting with a fresh window.
You’re welcome.
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gotta say, little surprised with the lack of response ppl are getting from buddah, when they disagree with him.
“Winning achieves nothing more than short term satisfaction.”
I don’t agree with that. Like Defensive Rap said, winning is good for player morale and player development. Of course for us fans, winning is just short-term satisfaction, but to the players it is something more.
I do agree with the rest of your argument though. Well said.
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I meant this as a reply to McGateway

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