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Tip-In: Out Gunned, Atlanta beats Toronto 100 - 77

The Hawks managed to thrash the Raptors from the second quarter forward. What was harder to watch was a 33 year old shooting guard with back issues completely school our wing players. Kinnon Yee looks at how T-mac bit into our hometown heroes.

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Tracy McGrady.

Tracy McGrady scored 15 points on 5/7 shooting. That's more points and more efficiency than DeMar DeRozan or Jerryd Bayless, and is in fact, more points than any single Raptors player scored.

Tracy McGrady went to the free throw line four times and made all four of his shots, which was more than any individual Raptor except for Gary Forbes.

Tracy McGrady had one blocked shot which is as much as the entire Raptors team. (Thanks Ed Davis!)

Tracy McGrady comes off the bench in Atlanta much as he did in Detroit. He's lost a lot of his game since his days as a raptor, but still has the ability to make teams pay if they under estimate him. He still has size and shooting ability. He can draw on his experience. On the Hawks, he's now becoming a leader for their second unit.

Tracy McGrady turns 33 in May.

When I look back at last night's game, there was plenty to talk about as the Raptors played sloppy and uninspired. They didn't even have their widely regarded defense as Atlanta seemed to score without any kind of resistance. Sure, the Raptors threw a couple looks at a zone defense, but they just couldn't close the gap that had developed in the second quarter.

What we're left with is a lot more check marks as far as what we know about this Raptors team. Jerryd Bayless may be on track, but he's showing he's a better shooting guard than anything else on this team. Aaron Gray is a serviceable big man who has trouble finding consistent minutes even on a team that is fielding injuries.

And while some people may say it's unfair, DeMar DeRozan's complete inability to take control of this team just speaks volumes. If you were just looking at last night as a sample, the Raptors are better off offering a contract to McGrady to tutor the next generation of shooting guard because DeRozan is just that ineffectual.

I'd like to think that players like DeRozan and Ed Davis are making cases for being another option for the Raptors.

Trouble is, they aren't. On other teams where injuries have allowed other players to shine, on the Raptors, those same players have simply shown their own faded colours.

And that's a concern.

Going into tonight's game against the Celtics, the Raptors threaten to showcase more of the same. With the Raptors now going for a smaller lineup against their opponents, it should help negate some of Rajon Rondo's qualities as the Celtics point guard. However, if the Raptors hope to get a win, I believe they're going to have to concentrate on the following:

1) Forget about last night - The Hawks are young, athletic, and able to play a multitude of styles thanks to their versatility. The Raptors were going to have their hands full even with all hands on deck. The Celtics are coming off a back to back just like the Raptors are, and if the Raptors look tired, the Celtics will take that as a weakness and pounce all over them.

2) Bayless vs Rondo - First time the Raptors played the Celtics, it was Calderon vs Rondo and it didn't go so well. Let's see if Jerryd Bayless along with Leandro Barbosa can at least attempt to divert Rondo if he's well enough to play. The rest of the Celtics have been relying heavily on Rondo this year to create for them. By shutting him down, the Raptors may have a snowball's chance in Toronto.

3) Don't fall into the Celtic's pace - We'll keep emphasizing it throughout the year, but we need to see good defense on a nightly basis even without Bargnani. Allowing the Hawks to score 100 was not a good sign. Allowing the Celtics to score 96 in their previous encounter wasn't a good sign either.

The Raptors have to slow down their opponent's offense while maintaining their own flow. I'm sure Dwane Casey will continue to establish this for the rest of the year. But it's something we have to see maintained even without a complete roster.

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as I stated during the thread

there is a little more going on here that you are not hitting on.
First, this coach is not a coach to teach an offensice.
He seems to not demand the simple inside out game EVERY other team kills us with.

Now I got punished by a poster ;ast night because he implies I think this shouls be Gray starting this plan.
Well…yes…Gray and EVERY big man in the game.
And NOT just the center.
Drive in THEN pass out to an open player if you have nothing.

There are NO high give and goes.
No Pick n Rolls into the middle.

Nothing except pass the ball to somebody whose job is to drive in for HIS shot.

Bull%$#T!!

You mean to tell me, down by 15…Amir only 1 rebound in an entire first half…and Gray doesn’t see any time!?
PULEEEZE Coach! Shoot me before you take off every finger!

Amir is ingured! How many damned times have I heard the excuses! So STOP playing him! Or play him a few mnutes and get him out! But stop with the rediculous plan as it is!

I had had enough of the showcasing of this team’s future stars!

by ppellico on Feb 1, 2012 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

Bigs game

Oh, I agree. We need to be running pick and rolls like nobody’s business. But you’ve also seen how the Raptors grab fouls on each of these plays. And yes, they need to feed it into the post, especially when it’s Ed Davis. However, with how things are structured and who has the “green light” I doubt that will happen.

Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Feb 1, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

fouls be damned..

go ahead and full speed ahead with a plan.
OK…fouls will come, but they seem to be anyway. And the game IS simple. pick n rolls, especially the high ones where you big men can then pass to somebody open. And they are big so they more than any other teammate can seee better who is open.

And I agree…it is NOT that the raps can’t do this…it is they are not being coached to do this. The plan is NOT to do this.
The green light you are referring to does mean that IMO, Gray has been told NOT to be offensive minded but to get the ball to others.
Others on this sight can claim Gray is not taking these because he is affraid…but he has been told NOT to. Others can shoot again and again and again if they miss…Gray cannot. And he knows this.

Look, shooting is a frame of mind. You will not shoot if you know doing so will get you sat.
Others on this team know they cannot be sat. THEY are the annointed FUTURE stars. And besoides…there is nobody else to go to.

But it is a simple game. And pick and roll is the standard play. Simple to teach and do….

So start doing it.
THIS individual drive in and shoot at all cost is killingme, not to mention the team.

by ppellico on Feb 1, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Raptors "paint" threats...

As Pelican suggests, let’s start inside and work our way out…

Deep post position players: Ed Davis, Linas Kleiza, James Johnson, DeMar DeRozan

Gray is next to zero offensive threat unless he’s got an open dunk or tip in, so no he’s not on the list…

These guys have poor handle and as such need to fight for position first then have the ball popped in to them… but they are generally able to get good looks at a decent shot if they do…

This is my most feasible paint threat as it doesn’t require screening or beating your man to get there, just position and plant…

Screen and Roll: Amir Johnson, Ed Davis, Aaron Gray, James Johnson

Only one of these guys is a consistent threat to hit a pick and pop, the rest have to either dive to the basket or JUST be the screener and not be the concern of the defence…

Problems: Amir’s hand messed up his shooting touch AND his ability to catch on the roll, useless…

James Johnson has poor touch at this point and can’t consistently finish his roll…

Ed David seems to try and pick and pop, but the boy can’t shoot a nerf gun and he gets too many charge calls if he’s attacking facing the basket…

Aaron Gray, well, he’s only good as the screener, leaving the ball handler as the only threat (limiting the plays effectiveness) and oh yea, HE’S NO DAMN GOOD AS THE SCREENER as he is constantly getting offensive fouls for his poor picks…

and finally the creators: Jose Calderon, Jerryd Bayless, Leandro Barbosa, James Johnson, Linas Kleiza, DeMar DeRozan

One predominately drives, visits the lane, has a tea and then dribbles back out to reset the offence… Hello Jose

One drives hard, too hard mostly, and either gets a charge or loses the handle, or makes a leaping pass to be turned over… You weren’t sure whether I meant Bayless or Kleiza until I added the “leaping pass” in there were you?

One was given a secret mission by the Brazilian Government to keep his assists to points ratio as close to “Double Oh” secret agent status as humanly possible…

One is creative, but way too careless, like a room full of kindergartners finger painting the Sistine Chapel… oh that crazy mohawk…

And one is a bruiser of an attacker who has suspect handles and forgets that there are rules against going directly through a player’s very soul to get to the paint…

Oh, and DeMar… I am not even going there…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 1, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

so sad

and so true

solution? overpay Wilson Chandler… uhm…

by TFC Academy on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Magloire sets nice picks and although the rest of his game has deteriorated, maybe he needs a few minutes each night to set the pick tone. I do not understand how so may Raptor forwards struggle setting picks when you have a guy who sets such nice strong screens on your team.

by McGateway on Feb 1, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Magloire's picks are mostly on the perimeter to set up jumpers or initiate a play...

So I left him out of my “Paint Threats”…

But yes, he should be able to guide some of these other guys into doing a better job…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 1, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

never used the term paint threats...

it is simple basketball…and everybody does it.
Get over your anti grayness.

by ppellico on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I don't have any anti-Gray...

If you’ve read my posts and my fanpost on my rebuild, you’ll see I praise him and he is part of my plan.

When he plays his role and does things right…

Setting a screen without sticking an elbow out or leaning into a guy is elementary school stuff… why can’t he grasp this at this point?

That’s my only beef with Gray…

I don’t expect him to shoot jumpers, hook shots and fadeaways…

I expect him to play defence, rebound hard, and get some rim shakers when he can…

He does that fine… but he is at this point, terrible at setting screens…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 1, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

pelican...oh, OK.

You’ve had your say…and your way.
So go ahead and call Gray all the poor crap you want.
But YOUR way sucks and in fact, is killing the team.
Perhaps you don’t care as the lotto is your goal.
I have stated I dislike the entire lotto plan.

But its all OK.
You know why?
“cause nobody cares.
You and I are voices in the empty void of fandom. You and I have as much say as we do in the universe.
Farts in the wind….jus buy your ticket and shut the F up.

However…I have my position and since it never gets a chance…you nor anybody else here can utter anything more than opinion. And I promise you here not one person on this post knows Gray like I do.
IMO, he is you best defensive player and probably passer.

But relax..I am done with this point.

by ppellico on Feb 1, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

All I said about Gray, was that he isn't good as a pick and roll guy...

That’s it… quit making sh*t up because you think your man crush is being put down…

Are you telling me you think Gray is a good pick and roll guy?

Tell me how you come to that conclusion…

He can’t set a pick without fouling, if he does set the pick he can’t shoot from the high post so is not of any concern to the defence on a pick and pop and he doesn’t have the mobility to attack the basket from the high post… so he isn’t of concern on a pick and roll…

This is the negative I’ve seen in his game, and the only one I’ve expressed…

If you’re so uncomfortable with criticism of any sort I suggest you find a new team to blog about… because this one is currently 80% criticism, 10% praise and 10% indifference… AT THIS POINT…

Please, PLEASE tell me what “MY WAY” is so that I can begin to understand what sucks about it so much?

Or … maybe read my posts and comment on what I say rather than what your fragile Gray BFF brain conjures up…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 1, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

he is really just a tool I want used better.

i know you must understand how i feel about him and his minutes. 15 plus per game as a solid back up…well, next year. This year I am not sure who I want starting at center. Guess this all depends upon who we are facing.

However…he is being used wrong. ALL the centers are.
I guess your point is no center we have can do as I would like done.
I say you are wrong and really wrong about Gray…or his abilities.
And i see nobody better on this team at setting piks.
Sometimes I think you mistake a picker’s error when it is really the ball handle not waiting for the pick to set…the pick setter always gets the foul.

And I think if we were sitting and talking this over beers, we would be better off. I come across as an idiot with anger on the internet.
And for this I appologize…it is my error.

Again, IMO, Gray has performed every night well and certainly better than most expected…here. I knew because I know Gray. And he is not being allowed to shoot. If he gets the ball, it is by a very last emergency pass and otherwise told not to shoot.

As for Casey…he is a poor offensive mind. You might not agree. But I simply do not see the very basic offensive sets being attempted.
I see one and dones.
I see 2 passes…then somebody drives in and regardless of his odds…shoots.

I see no high pick n rolls.
I don’t see pick n rolls…period.
I see no drive in and kick outs.

This is a coach’s job to stop.

by ppellico on Feb 1, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

90 % of ALL practice time to this point has been on defence...

It isn’t that he isn’t a good offensive coach, it’s that they practiced 3 basic plays (which were centered around Bargnani mainly) and haven’t had any real practice time since to expand…

And YOU were the one who focused on Gray, calling me a Gray hater or whatever after I writeup about the entire team…

As for Gray himself, it isn’t the ballhandler’s fault that Gray pokes his elbow out or sticks his knee out on almost every screen… It’s his technique WAY more than the timing which is drawing the whistles…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 1, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

My problem with a Wilson Chandler acquisition...

To me, this is a lateral move or even a step back…

If we got Chandler, he would start for us… James Johnson would back him up…

DeMar would be the starting SG again…

And then what? We draft a PF we already employ mirrors of?

We draft a SF who may replace James Johnson in the rotation, but what return do we get for James Johnson? A starting PG? Nope… A SG to challenge for DeMar’s minutes? not likely…

So in the end, we add redundancy at another position while not addressing other needs and the wheels just spin in the mud…

And YES, I am sorry ppellico, but we are bound for a high lottery pick which I foresee netting us either Barnes or MKG…

NOT that we are playing with the GOAL of lottery positioning, but that it is the reality of our season…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Feb 1, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

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