RaptorsHQ Rapid Recap - Philadelphia 76ers 97 - Toronto Raptors 62
-Well...the Toronto Raptors DID hold the seventh of their eight opponents so far this season to under 100 points. That's key because beside this statistic, there's not much else that's positive to discuss in the wake of a 35 point thrashing at the hands of the Philadelphia 76ers. After a disappointing performance last night against the New Jersey Nets, the Raptors laid another egg, losing to Philadelphia, 97 to 62.
-Things started off ok, in fact the Raps were only down three after the first quarter, and trailed by seven at the half. But a 30 to 8, yes, 30 to 8 run, starting in the third quarter, blew this one wide open. The 76ers had five players score in double digits, led by Andre Iguodala and Jrue Holiday with 14 apiece. Evan Turner had nine, so as you can see Philly certainly spread the scoring around.
-And that was the story of this one. Toronto was simply out-talented at nearly every position. The Raps had no answer for anything Philly did offensively and while the 76ers shot only 43 per cent, a good chunk of that was due to some terrible shooting early in the game. The 76ers hit only about 36 per cent of their shots in the first half, but Toronto turned the ball over 10 times, helping Philly keep its lead.
-In the second half the 76ers began to impose their will on the game, and Toronto's defense caved. As well, outside of Andrea Bargnani, the Raptors offense was simply awful. Bargs didn't have his most efficient game, he was 8 of 19 from the floor, but he hustled as best he could on the glass and on D, pulling down 11 rebounds, and got to the line six times, most on the squad. Amir Johnson turned in his most energetic performance of the year, finishing with 12 points and 14 rebounds, but some fumbles in the paint meant he could have easily gotten to the 20 point plateau.
-Not that it would have mattered. When DeMar DeRozan (4 of 13), Leandro Barbosa (1 of 7), James Johnson (3 of 11), and Rasual Butler (0 of 4), combine to score 18 points, it's pretty hard to win games. Add on that Jose Calderon wasn't quite up to par (3 of 9, no three-point makes) and well, there wasn't much going on in the way of offense tonight.
-Dwane Casey post-game said his team gave effort but simply didn't have the legs thanks to schedule fatigue. But it's hard to say that was the only thing at play in this blowout loss. The team's offense has been simply horrid of late, especially from the bench, which is averaging only 20.2 points in the last five games. And the defense, well, it needs some shoring up as well...especially with the club's back-to-back-to-back beginning on Monday.
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I haven’t watched the last two games including tonight. Lucky me.
Anyway regarding Amir’s fumbles.
I don’t know if this has anything to do with it but about four games ago he was wearing a bandage on his right thumb and index finger. The last game I watched he didn’t have the bandage on. I haven’t heard of his hand being injured and don’t know if it is or not and if it had an affect on him fumbling . He has been doing more of that so far this season than he has in the past.
That’s a good point Buddah, it’s weird because he was always really solid hands-wise and this year he’s had a case of butter-fingers at times. But man, without him tonight, they would have lost by 50.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 8, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
He Could Be Starting To Step It Up
Don’t know.
However, like I posted a week a ago I thought he would start to pick it up sometime in January. Historically slow starter during the season.
We shall see.
The game was so one sided I am not going back to watch it. I wouldn’t care if Amir went for 20-20. I don’t watch Raptors games on replay unless they win.
Here Is An interview of Amir posted Saturday on Hoops Addict where Ryan McNeill asks Amir about playing through injuries. I don’t know if McNeill is referring to last season, now or both. I couldn’t tell
Kinda glad I missed this one...
Seems like one of those games where you get the entire feel of what occurred in this one by looking at the boxscore. 30-8 run to start the second half!! I don’t think I need to comment on that ………..uh…so yeah….Lets fast forward to the next game….
Agreed – they’re’s probably going to be a bunch this season where they simply have to say “well, on to the next game.”
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by Adam Francis on Jan 8, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
These past two games, I half expected to see Jay Triano roaming the sidelines.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 7, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
I almost tweeted tonight that somewhere Jay and Sam Mitchell were smiling thinking “see what we had to work with Bryan!”
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by Adam Francis on Jan 8, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
What a stinker
I had to turn away from this one 1/2 through the 3’rd quarter. In past years I would have been yelling and screaming at the television. But this year the only saving grace was thinking about the draft.
My worst worry was that they would come away from this stretch of games at .500 or better, and therefore be super hyped about the rest of the year. At least if they are going to throw some stinkers like these around doing it during this same stretch is the right time to do so. They can at least salvage some kind of team moral as they can now use the absurd sched as a reason for it. Though truth be told I think tonights game was quite possibly the worst game I have ever seen them play! (I don’t include the Kobe dropping 80+ night as that game they completely gave up and just stood there on the floor watching) I couldn’t decide if it was bad luck, bad game plan, tired legs, or crappy players. was just an awful night.
Wow – big statement Oximus as I know you’ve seen LOTS of Raptors’ games.
It was up there, but I don’t think for me, quite on the level of say the blowout in Utah or Denver right before Mitchell got fired. Or the trouncing Triano’s Raps got in Hotlanta that one time.
But yeah, shades of last year, and in some ways, this is a good thing. Fighting for eighth in the East would be a worst-case scenario in my books.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 8, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Kind of funny how ...
pretty much every article/post is filled with comments regarding Andrea’s (lack of) rebounding, but when he grabs 11, no one says anything?
PS: Glad I missed this game, the first one of the season
by Carl J on Jan 8, 2012 12:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
he rebounded very well
too bad every other aspect of the game by anyone not named Amir Johnson isn’t worth talking about.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 8, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
So when they win and he grabs 5 rebounds, it’s ok to rip him to shreds, but when they lose (ok, lose might not be the word) and he grabs 11, it’s not worth mentioning?
And Amir is the only one worth talking about? 12Pts/14Reb/0AST/6-11FG/0-0FT? While Barney had 21Pts/11Reb/1 Ast/8-19FG/4-6FT … and they both played pretty much the same number of minutes.
Carl - you should know by now
On this site Amir does no wrong and Bargnani does little right
I think you are both over simplifying things. Barney should be pulling down 11 boards a night every night not just nights where they lose. If he had pulled down 20 boards I would have praised him but he is almost completely incapable of that.
At the end of the day I am not going to praise someone for doing their job.
11 boards every night
That would have placed him 5th in the entire NBA last year….nothing less than that will do for you?
They need something to complain about, it is going to happen 58 more times this year. Its best to ignore, we get a guy avg 22.5ppg (8th in the NBA), 6.4 Rpg (top 30 in DRPG), 2.5 apg, shooting over 52% and can hit the three. Plus we only pay him 9million this year. He does what people want, play harder on D and rebound better but hey he should be grabbing 11 boards a game. Ignorance is truly bliss.
and again
minutes played aren’t considered.
If Andrea rebounded at 11 rebounds a game, that would approx. rank him tied at 24th in the league per 36. (not sure how easy pace would be to include from a single game… but I’m sure D-hack could work it out)
That said Andrea did rebound well last night. He fought hard for rebounds and… my god… he got good rebounding numbers. Who would have thunk it. But I’m not sure a ticker tap parade is deserved. Scratch that it probably is.
Exactly what are we supposed to do? Praise him every time he does something he should be doing and find excuse for him every time he is not? Oh wait….
YES! Bargnani reached double digit rebounds in his 3rd game out of his last 85! He wasn’t a rebounding liability for his first time since he was in London England (oh yeah it took him 51 min to grab double digits then to, but you know we’ll give him the benifit of the doubt) Take that world!
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 8, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
We should of just paid Reggie Evans 11 million a year, because obviously Rebounding is the only thing that matters. Right? Nothing else to basketball. Sigh. If you ask a guy to do something, he doesn’t deserve some credit when he does it. If you have a kid and they put their dishes away they don’t deserve some credit. Its called positive reinforcement and you acknowledge the effort when a guy does what is asked of him.
He is not a dominate rebounder and never will be. He wil not be Hakeem but why can’t he play a Robert Horry role, except with a little more pop. Obviously I am not comparing him to Horry who is a great champion but the role he played complimenting a real big to spread the floor.
You can bitch and complain all you want about what he isn’t or enjoy what he is. If you don’t like him fine but realize the guy is trying to become a better all-around player and doing what is asked of him. Like building a culture it won’t change over night but everyone who is reasonable can see the change in him so far this season.
“We should of just paid Reggie Evans 11 million a year, because obviously Rebounding is the only thing that matters. Right?”
yep CLEARLY that was the ONLY thing people have been saying. Glad that was cleared up.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 9, 2012 5:31 AM EST up reply actions
5.77 RP40 last year (which is what he got) for Bargs placed him about 118th.
11 rebounds per game at 35.7 MPG would equate to 12.22 RP40. That would have placed him at 36th in the league (among qualified players). Now, 11 rebounds in the 32 minutes he played last night would place him 18th in the league if it was representative of the entire season. So, good, but not exactly world-beating.
from that whole post...
all you can respond to is the sarcastic first sentence.
Its like talking wtih someone who contradicts himself every post.
and at that point I didn’t for the life of me believe Casey could get the effort out of him that he has, and I didn’t think it was worth the risk that he could.
I have no problems being wrong about Bargnani (or others for that matter). In fact if you look at alot of my posts about him I finish with "as always I hope I’m wrong". So far, offensively and in terms of general effort, he has proven me wrong. Defensively and on the boards I don’t think he has at all.
So apparently Bargnani is putting more effort into rebounding and defence and shown improvement in those areas. But its not good enough for you?
So what will satisfy you? When he is a top 10 rebounder in the NBA and Defensive 2nd team All-star? What are your expectation for him because apparently improving his effort and rebounding numbers are not good enough.
I mean people bring up per 36 or rp40 do you see the people ahead of him? To list a few…Enes Kanter, Channing Frye, Chris Andersen, Jamaal Magloire and Omar Asik.
I really don’t understand why people expect him to be an all world defender or top 10 rebounder. It will not happen, but his overall game has drastically improved and all you focus on is what you want him to do. While you will come back and call me a Bargnani bandwagoner, that’s not it at all. His numbers and game warrant the respect. His per is on par with Kobe Bryant this year, who would of expected that to happen at all this year? If you don’t appreciate it when you players try and improve themselves, when should you.
maybe you should
read from the start
Its one game my man. One game. I did compliment his rebounding if you’ll notice (both here and during the game). But one game does not make a week, a season or a career.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 9, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
So then you are criticizing everyone else for praising him but you praised him as well?
That makes perfect sense. Oh wait its the back handed compliment….
Exactly what are we supposed to do? Praise him every time he does something he should be doing and find excuse for him every time he is not? Oh wait….
YES! Bargnani reached double digit rebounds in his 3rd game out of his last 85! He wasn’t a rebounding liability for his first time since he was in London England (oh yeah it took him 51 min to grab double digits then to, but you know we’ll give him the benifit of the doubt) Take that world!
So you give a back handed compliment, and than say that you did compliment but the rest of us shouldn’t?
And then ignore everything else I have written.
Is ignorance really that blissful? That you forget everything you write. My man.
my goodness
“he grabs 11, it’s not worth mentioning”
thats what started this thread there big guy. And then the Bargnani boys going on (paraphrasing) about how people only talk about the bad things he does, or don’t want to accept the good etc. As if his once in a blue moon rebounding NEEDS to be discussed. Do you realize the irony of NEEDING to discuss that?
Oh by the way how many of you guys mention his bad defense on any night or his inefficient shooting last game? Thats right…..
Just off hand this is what I said earlier
“he rebounded very well too bad every other aspect of the game by anyone not named Amir Johnson isn’t worth talking about”
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 9, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
actually i mentioned his bad shooting in the other thread.
Andrea had a good numbers game 21/11/1, a stl and only 1 turnover. He wasn’t nearly as aggressive on O as he has been and settled for Jumpers. Nice to see the rebounding numbers pick up, but he has to be our leader on O and when he shoots 4 threes in the first half, (more than all of last game) it seems like a regression to the old Bargnani. He wasn’t the reason we lost this won so bad but definitely could of been better but he is not a franchise player and can’t carry us. He is going to be a nice piece but he does need help which he didn’t get last night.
So apparently I am not a bargnani boy because I did mention that.
You ignoring my comment about me saying you ignore me.
You give him credit but than get mad at other people giving him credit.
He plays harder on defence, tries to rebound better but still that isn’t enough. What are your expectations for him? Or will you ignore that question as well. I am just wondering what would satisfy you. If Bargnani avg 10 rebounds per game and was second team defence or what? I am just curious what you think he should be doing.
dude
I don’t think you understand. My sarcastic comments were not really about Bargnani. It was about the Bargnani boys…
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 10, 2012 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
btw...
Its funny because you just said, why should we bother discussing his ‘once in a blue moon’ rebounding.
So he doesn’t deserve any credit for it? Amir Johnson scored a season high, but screw him he only scores 7 a game, why bother mentioning his good game.
Do you get tired of putting your foot in your mouth or is it just me?
Any over/unders as to when fire the coach starts up regularly again?
I had end of march. Hmmm no bc chatter either?
by Ustation on Jan 8, 2012 1:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
They’re seriously going to play five games in six days, and seven in nine? This schedule is ludicrous. Given that the Raps seem to only have one point guard, they could lose all of them.
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