Tip-In: Back to Reality - Nets' 3-Point Shooting Shreds Raptors
No rest for the weary. The HQ breaks down last night's loss to Jersey and previews tonight's game against the Philadelphia 76ers.
Is there such thing as a "necessary loss?"
A game that a team needs to lose, in order to be a wake-up call of sorts?
If so, then the Toronto Raptors' dropping a 97 to 85 decision to the New Jersey Nets last night, hopefully was that game.
After a three and three start to the season, there were rumblings of "playoffs" and "all-star appearances" from the fanbase, and as I noted on Thursday in a post, it was probably a bit premature to have those talks, considering the club's early schedule.
Yes, there were definite improvements going on with the Raps, but six games is only six games, and the club's three wins came against teams that right now look to be headed squarely for the NBA draft lottery.
(Indeed, that means you too Carmelo and friends, who barely beat the winless Washington Wizards last night.)
Last night against the Nets, last year's version of the Toronto Raptors made a surprise appearance to the Air Canada Center.
There were blown coverages, terrible displays of rebounding, poor offensive sets, bad rotations and an inability to close out on three-point shooters. Had Jay Triano shown up to break a clipboard, I would have sworn it was 2010.
The hope then is that this "necessary loss," snaps the team back to reality, as it looked like they were perhaps a bit too content with their recent performances. Dwane Casey will likely use this then as an opportunity to bring the club back to earth a bit, letting them know there's still a lot of work to be done.
The question then on the minds of most fans this morning is probably along the lines of, "was that just one of those games, or are we going to see performances like this on a regular basis?"
It's a valid question, and one I don't have an answer to.
On one hand, the six previous performances would make this one seem like an aberration, a night where Toronto just didn't bring it.
Or, possibly a "lockout loss," as Basketball Prospectus' Kevin Pelton described it last night. So far this season we've seen some truly bizarre results in games and a good chunk of these are likely due to the fatigue-enducing compressed schedule, resulting from the NBA's prolonged work stoppage.
Examples would include the Mavericks performance against San Antonio a couple nights ago, the Lebron and D-Wade-less triple OT Heat win over the Hawks, and last night's brick-fest by the red-hot Blazers against the moribund Suns.
So it's possible that along the lines of "it was one of those nights," yesterday evening's result was also simply due to fatigue, with Toronto having played four games in six nights.
I'm hoping that's the case.
Because last night the Raptors played a bit like they had their feet stuck in quicksand.
The Nets were quicker to the ball, especially in the second half, made better decisions, and just had that extra jump in their step.
Oh...and they knocked down 15 three-pointers.
Some of those 3's were well-defended but the vast majority were wide open looks, many created by the penetration of Deron Williams. To me Williams was the difference maker last night, more than anything else. Toronto simply had no answer for him and while he didn't shoot a great percentage from the field, he created open looks for teammates, got to the line 13 times, and most importantly, just set the tone for how the rest of the game was going to be played.
That's what stars do.
Toronto has no stars.
Let me repeat that.
Toronto has no stars.
Andrea has been playing his ass off this season up until last night. And DeMar's been good at times. But last night the team needed both of them and they were nowhere to be found.
I'm not even sure which one's disappearing act was more egregious.
On one hand DeMar was benched for the bulk of the fourth quarter thanks to his 1 for 6 performance that netted a giant three points.
On the other though, Bargnani took only 12 shots on a night when the Nets had no answer for him. He wasn't aggressive, consistently deferred to teammates, and in a game that required rugged rebounding, he grabbed four boards, and was guilty of numerous lax plays on D.
Want more proof that he regressed to his old ways?
The advanced stats from the match show a usage rating of 23.2. He's been averaging 28.95 on the season. His assist rate of 19.7 last night was also way up from his season average of 10.54. Both of these metrics and others are a pretty good indicator that Andrea wasn't looking to be as aggressive offensively as usual.
It was a scary site because as a fan of this team, you quickly realize that when these two guys aren't going, there's not much else, especially with Bayless hurt.
Jose Calderon did his best to keep the team in the game, scoring 19 points on 7 of 13 shooting, all the while dishing out 8 assists, but that's not nearly enough. Ed Davis, who had his best game of the season with 11 points and 8 rebounds, was a nice boost, but he's not a go-to offensive option at this point.
Rasual Butler was counted on to shoot, Leandro Barbosa couldn't shoot, and James Johnson simply shouldn't try to shoot. The fact that Amir Johnson took the third most shots on the team last night, speaks volumes.
The team needs at least one of Bargnani or DeMar to put their imprint on a game, and attempt to get the game going back in the style they want. There was none of that last night, and it showed as the Nets drove and kicked, bombing away from the perimeter. Between those 3's and Kris Humphries' nine offensive rebounds, New Jersey dictated the style of play from the half on, and that was it.
So tonight we'll put the "lockout loss" theory to the test.
Toronto turns around and plays the Philadelphia 76ers in Philly, a team Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix described last night as "Deep, confident and talented with great locker room chemistry."
The 76ers are coming off a win against the Detroit Pistons, and at 4 and 2 have the fourth-best record in the East.
It's a tough test for TO, so to grab a W, here are our keys:
1) Point guard match-up: This is a biggie to me. As good as Jose Calderon's been, he still struggles defensively. Last night was a great example of the quandary coach Dwane Casey faces with Jose because on one side, the team is a mess offensively without him, on the other, Casey needs to make constant adjustments defensively when Jose faces quicker guards.
Ones like Jrue Holiday.
The Raps tried Rasual Butler and James Johnson on Deron Williams, leaving Jose on the Nets' two-guard. That was still not a great solution though as bigger guards like Anthony Morrow simply posted Jose up, or shot over him.
Tonight Calderon will have to deal with the lightning-quick Holiday, as well as sparkplugs like Lou Williams and Jodie Meeks. If Toronto wants to steal this game, Jose needs to win this match-up.
2) Get to the line: Lost in all these defensive improvement stats is another interesting statistic. The Raptors are currently averaging only 19 free throws a game, third worst in the league. The league average is about 24 so that's a big five points that can come back to haunt you in close games. While the final score had a differential of more than five last night, I felt that if Toronto had been more aggressive in getting to the line, it would have kept them in it for longer, and opened things up for the rest of their offense. There's not a single player on the Nets who can guard Bargs off the bounce, so I was incredibly disappointed to only see him attack on occasion, not in a consistent fashion. Philadephia only averages about 23 trips to the line a game, but their offence outside of that is quite potent. It would be wise for the Raps to be more aggressive tonight in getting to the rim.
3) Step up the D: Toronto kept New Jersey to 39% shooting last night, keeping in step with their recent improvements in field goal defence. As we know though, the Nets got second chances on O thanks to their rebounding, so this plus the 3-pointers negated a lot of the D Toronto did play. And admittedly, some of the 39% can be explained by the Nets simply missing open looks.
There are no two ways about it. The Dinos can't afford to do that tonight. Philly comes into this game as the fourth highest scoring team in the NBA, and one of the better offensive clubs. Considering the damage New Jersey did, and that they came into last night's match as one of the league's worst offensive clubs, this has to be a major concern.
Oh, and this plays into rebounding too. As the 24th best rebounding team in the league, New Jersey wreaked havoc on TO and Philly, yikes, is a top 10 rebounding club. Misses on O can't merely translate into second chances for the Sixers, so beyond getting stops, Toronto needs to close out the play by corralling errant shot attempts.
If the team can follow these three keys, and get bounce-back games from DeMar and Andrea, then maybe fans will simply be able to write last night off as a "lockout loss," and hope that indeed, this loss was necessary in many ways.
Until then, the club has their work cut out for them against a very good Philly squad.
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I mentioned this in the Rapid Recap
but the loss last night can be squarely put on the Nets 2nd chance points. 28 of them. Almost 30% of their total points.
We can talk about Derozan’s disappearing act, the Nets 3 pt shooting and Barbossa being, well, Barbossa. But it was that lack of rebounding that killed the Raps.
That said, the game was just a reality check.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 7, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions
And once again I feel I need to say that Barney’s lack of interest in rebounding is going to hurt this team in the long run. I would rather he played d like a pylon but pulled down a decent amount of boards as second chance points is an absolute killer stat.
"First chance points"
Well, if you trade off defense for rebounding then you are just giving up “first chance points” instead of second chance points. Bargnani is going to have to contribute in both areas (I think that goes without saying) if the team is ever going to become successful.
by DW19 on Jan 7, 2012 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
That was a big difference last night – he was doing neither.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 7, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
some fun with numbers
“Bargnani took only 12 shots on a night when the Nets had no answer for him.”
decided to do a little research on the Raps pervious 7 games.
Bargnani’s fg% over the season
1st half – 80% 37-47
2nd half – 35% 22-62
If we exclude the 2nd Cleveland game where he ravished the Cavs throughout the game
1st half – 78% 33-41
2nd half – 29% 15-52
The game last night
1st half 100% 4-4
2nd half 25% 2-8
I’m not sure Bargnani shooting more is the answer. He already is shooting more in the 2nd half of games, he’s just shooting much much worse. In fact if you break down these numbers even further you’ll see alot of the time he has been nearly perfect for his first 4 (or so) shots…
I think Bargnani playing too many minutes is a huge function of this, especially considering the shortened preseason and the condensed schedule.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 7, 2012 9:01 AM EST reply actions
Awesome stats
So essentially, in the second half, Bargs is really struggling. You wonder if it’s fatigue, or what.
I’ll have to dig into these numbers a bit more too, especially the TYPE of shots he’s taking in the second half of games.
The sad part is, I still think Bargs needed more shots last night. Not jumpers necessarily, but he should have been able to impose his will offensively on the Nets, and he just didn’t. No reason he couldn’t have gotten to the line 10 times and without many other offensive options…
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by Adam Francis on Jan 7, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Great breakdown. I’m not sure the logic behind playing Bargs 40+ minutes when:
- he clearly loses effectiveness in the 2nd half after logging heavy minutes
- he continues to be a liability on the glass (witness a Nets team that can turn a brutal shooting night into an easy win), and
- PF is the deepest position on the Raptors’ roster
Play the guy the amount of minutes he’s in condition to play (25-30 mpg) and figure the rest out. It’s a rebuilding year. I’d rather watch Ed Davis work through his issues than Bargs burning out while pretending to be something he’s not (a franchise player).
One of the more frustrating things about last night was watching Casey keep the starters in way too long when they’re in the midst of 7 games in 9 nights. They need to give guys some down time when the game dictates it (i.e. you are being blown out with no chance of winning).
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 7, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Casey wasn’t quick enough on the hook either, especially for DeRozan. Forbes wasn’t very good on O, but I thought his D on Deron Williams was the best option.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 7, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
"Forbes wasn’t very good on O..."
Understatement of the year!
I think
“its a rebuilding year” is a huge part of this, and something I’m not convinced this team is actually doing. (something akin to last year where the team tries to make the playoffs and then realizes 20 games in its not going to happen?)
From the game last night the Raps had 2 players that were near the top of the league in minutes? Why? Jose (top 30), whose minutes ofcourse will go up with the Bayless injury but has a injury history, and Bargnani (top 10), who is getting additional minutes despite not producing (atleast as effectively) during that additional time.
Even IF the Raps do truelly belive they can make the playoffs, why burn these guys out early in the season? Anyway you slice it, this team needs to pace itself. If that ends up meaning more losses I’m not sure thats a bad thing
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 7, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Some observations
1. This Deron williams guy is unbelievable, changes direction with ease, are there guards in the league that can shut him down?
2. I thought Hump did a good job on Bargnani, stayed with him on the screen and roll and challenged him to put it on the floor
3. Totally disapointed with Barbosa, he is playing worse than last year
4. Why is it that players at this level need to go back to basics, and revisit boxing out?
5. When ball movement is fast with enough passes, it is inevitable that there will be open threes. Armstrong mentioned it last night, if you play help in the paint especially on a guy like Deron Williams then expect open threes. If they shoot 50 % or better with those open threes, you are in trouble.
agree with 1 through 5.
You can’t stop superstars, you can just hope to slow them down. Ofcourse the refs allowing a guy to put the ball in his backpocket and call it dribbling doesn’t help the defense any
The hump did a very good job on Bargnani. Even on iso situations he simply stayed planted and didn’t go for a single pump fake which took one of Bargnani’s biggest weapons away.
Barbossa doesn’t look like he fits this team at all. Haven’t liked anything he’s done all season long so far. He needs to be on an uptempo team. He’s to undersized to play a regular sg position and is a blackhole on offense.
Number 4 you can probably chalk up to certain players historically never having to rebound nor being expected to rebound.
Mentioned number 5 before, but I’ll say it again. I’d rather get beat by a team hitting jumpshots than scoring in the paint. Protecting the pain is priority.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Deron’s an example of an elite point guard that always gives the Raptors’ problems. They just have no answers for him. I remember last year when he was still with Utah, and the Jazz had just finished torching the Raps. I asked him about Toronto’s defensive planning for him, and it was pretty obvious he loved playing the Dinos, because there was no plan. He was being as professional as possible when describing Toronto’s, er, lack of D, but it was obvious there was just a lack of respect for his opponents. Hoping Casey keeps changing that this season.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 7, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Reality Check...
Some familiar themes played in last night’s loss:
1) The Nets were screaming to anyone who would listen “We are going to go right at Jose Calderon”. Now Claderon has been brilliant offensively this season, but he’s still a bit of a liability on defense. Casey has done a good job of designing a scheme to protect him and others, but you can’t eliminate the issue entirely.
2) Andrea Bargnani is a terrible rebounder. Those who were clamoring for his election to the All-Star game must have forgotten that this is the guy who plays 36 minutes at the Power Forward/Centre (Whatever!!) spot and grabs 4 rebounds. I’m not sure how a team can hope to be +.500 when the starting PF/C (whatever) can’t rebound his way out of a paper bag.
The only way is if the 5 and 3 spots make up for it…and that’s not the case right now. Like a Lakers team that can get away with a history of point guards like Derek Fisher, or a Jordan-led Bulls team that had Luc Longley as its best center, it can be done. But it’s not happening right now.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Ya, I don't think MJ or Kobe are walking through the door any time soon...
Ya those teams also had Pippen, Shaq, Rodman, Gasol, etc. etc. Tough to compare Fisher and Longley’s deficiencies with Bargs. Totally different scenarios…
According to the box score
Nets 44 rebounds, Raptors 39
Is that what made the difference, 5 rebounds?
I’ve asked this before about rebounds. A rebound gets you a possesion, after that the outcome of that rebound is uncertain. We could turn the ball over on that possession or travel on that possesion or foul; anything but a score would negate that rebound. You could also take rebounds away from your own team mates. I believe Buddafan was right here a few weeks ago, saying its team rebound totals that count.
It is also "what you do after getting the rebound that gives it importantance, that’s why teams win games while loosing the rebound battle. I think some of you guys are so desperate to slam Bargnani that you’re grasping at straws
I think it’s more the type of rebounds and who is doing the rebounding. If a guy like Hump is grabbing 9 offensive rebounds and the opposing PF is grabbing 4 rebounds TOTAL, there’s probably an issue.
Combine that with the Raptors’ inability to defend the perimeter, and you have the recipe for how a team can shoot under 39% and win by double digits.
Not to throw Bargs completely under the bus – but what you were probably seeing last night is a guy who has practiced with Bargs on a daily basis last season and just knew how to check him. Credit to Hump.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 7, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Combine that with the Raptors’ inability to defend the perimeter, and you have the recipe for how a team can shoot under 39% and win by double digits.
I know there is this desparate need to burn Bargnani but Morrow was 6 for 10 on 3s, 3 for 4 on 2s. so I find you’re statement about perimeter defence spot on. Combine that with Derozen shooting 1 for 6 and I think those things are more important than Bargnanis 4 rebounds
is a guy who has practiced with Bargs on a daily basis last season and just knew how to check him. Credit to Hump.
Hump hasn’t played for the Raptors in 3 years.
With that said, I’ve always kind of liked Hump (even though he was known as a black hole). Hard worker, good rebounder, willing to do the small and dirty things that most Raps aren’t. And he’s sure better than the guy we traded to get him.
Sorry – my bad on the mistype.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 7, 2012 3:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
the only way a ‘team’ rebounds well is if individual players on that ‘team’ rebound well. Total rebounds are just the aggregate of all individual rebounds.
Why is rebounding important? Because it means one less opportunity for the opposition or one more opportunity for your team. Basketball can, in theory anyways, be simply broken down and viewed as a bunch of possession. A team either needs to be:
1) more efficient with their possession than their opposition (or force the opposition to be less efficient with theirs)
2) have more possession than the opposition.
Last night we saw #2. It was ofcourse an extreme example, but I think last night clearly showed the importance of rebounding.
What you do after a rebound is important as well ofcourse… and last night we saw NJ score 28 points because the Raptors didn’t rebound the ball. The reality is even bad teams, when given enough opportunities, will put the ball in the net eventually. Now imagine what good offensive teams will do when given those opportunities.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 7, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Last nite the Nets had
13 offensive rebounds and we had 9. Those 4 rebounds meant 28 points?
Anyway, I said a while back that as long as things are going good Jose is a hero but when we lose he’s a goat. So lets throw him under the bus now and get a guard who could guard Williams one on one. Who would that be?
2nd chance points
are not just offensive rebounds. They are also missed defensive rebounds (ie. rebounds that go out of bounds to give the opposition the ball again)
Regardless, like I said last night was an extreme example. But none the the less goes to show the importance of rebounding.
why are you mentioning Jose to me? I like Jose, what he does and what he did last night. I don’t think it was his lack of rebounding that was part of the problem
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 7, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Jose
While his lack of rebounding was not an issue, it was obvious that NJ had targeted him in pick and rolls and isolations. Don’t get me wrong, he was sublime running the offence as usual (8 assists to ZERO turnovers – wow!) but he’s still a bit of a liability on the other end. This is despite Casey’s well thought out efforts to cover for him (packing the paint strategy) and despite Jose’s obvious renewed commitment to defensive effort (can’t blame him for not trying).
Sorry about that
Just changed the subject, since I can’t follow your logic on the rebounding subject. We’ll have agree to disagree on that. If two teams have nearly equal team rebounding numbers then it would seem to me that there are other isues at play
the rebounding difference was actually
57 – 44… you ofcourse are not including actual team rebounds. (ie. rebounds that no one individual ends up with). That is not near equal. Thats why I mentioned missed defensive rebounds.
NJ had 13, which means Toronto was responsible for the ball going out of bounds 13 times after a shot. Toronto had 6.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 7, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Pendulum Swings
6 games in – they’re heroes. 1 game out – they’re bums.
Such is the life of a Raptor fan. lol
IMO, foresight should’ve seen this ugly loss coming:
- Humphries hadn’t played in 5 days – if he was injured, he didn’t show it. And I think playing Toronto boosted his desire to win.
- Williams had 4 days rest – sore ribs may be affecting his shot efficiency, but not his game (on this night). Plus he has no respect for the Raptors (or so he’s said) – so losing to us, is out of the question.
- Andrea had too much pasta – or maybe I’m just sick of those commercials. Suffice to say, his engine was in 1st gear for most of the night. Plus I think there was water in the tank. And as much as I’m a supporter, this All-Star talk is turning me off. Please stop!!! If he makes it to the big game – great. I’ll be happy then. Right now I’m enjoying his play.
- Demar was still in I can win the 3 pt % trophy mode. What’s troubling about his perimeter shooting, is that it distracts from what he should be doing more consistently – attacking the basket. That needs to be addressed. Plus 3 points from your SG ain’t gonna win you many games.
- 3 point shooting – Our pack the paint philosophy (and why we are 4th in defending it), has repercussions. To defend the perimeter, Raptors have to be energized – not the case last night.
- Casey has been riding Jose & Andrea a little too much – their minutes concern me. God help us as we play the next 6 matches over 8 nights. Get ready for some ugly games.
- Jose – ole my minutes Coach.
- And last but not least …. “It was in the bag” …. bag my a$$. We’re not that good (yet), to start talking like that.
Personally, I think these kind of games are good for the team. We’re not play-off bound unless we win games like this, and all the stars align. And by all the stars aligning, I mean:
- No injuries (or very minimal)
- the AB-DD 2 cylinder engine fires on most nights
- we get lucky and meet teams either resting a player, playing it safe (because of injuries), or simply having significant injuries.
- Kleiza comes back and surprises us
- Bayless recovers, and learns his role
- JJ gets a shot
- Ed gets his groove back.
- Barbosa starts to look interested
- Mother Teresa blesses us
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If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
Andrea had too much pasta – or maybe I’m just sick of those commercials.
I actually enjoy those commercials just because of the look on Bargnani’s face after he takes in the mouthful of Primo pasta and sauce. It looks like a kid being told he has to eat something he doesn’t like.
I don’t know any self-respecting Italian who eats Primo. I’m sure Bargs is no different despite what they are paying him. LOL
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