3 in the Key - Raptors' Game-Day Preview vs. Hawks
The Raps had their hands full with the Hawks last time these clubs met, and without Andrea Bargnani, it's not going to be easy to prevent another loss. However the HQ gives their three keys on stealing a win from ATL...
The Atlanta Hawks are tied for third in the Eastern Conference standings, only a game behind the second-place Miami Heat, and only two games behind the first place Chicago Bulls.
Considering they've been missing a few players that would probably qualify as "key guys," in Al Horford and Kirk Hinrich, the latter of whom has recently returned, that's a pretty solid feat, and the Hawks would have to receive some serious consideration for "surprise team of the 2011-12 season."
The question is how?
Many experts thought this team would actually take a step back from last year's 44 win season thanks to the loss of players like Jamal Crawford.
However another strong season from Joe Johnson, and a potential All-Star campaign from Josh Smith have righted the ship, and improvements from players like Jeff Teague and Marvin Williams, who finally seems to be looking the part of a top 3 draft pick, have pushed the team to another level.
Factor in key contributions from additions like Tracy McGrady and Vladimir Radmanovic, oh...and of course, Ivan Johnson, and suddenly the Hawks are looking pretty good.
Forget individual personnel though, it's team play that's got them in the East's upper echelon and a quick look at some of the league's stats shows why. This is a very good offensive team, but they're not slouch on D either, sporting the NBA's second best point differential.
But it's on the offensive end that we'll start in terms of the three keys for Toronto to grab their fourth win in five games.
1) Guard the perimeter. One of the reasons the Hawks have been so deadly this year is because of their 3-point shooting. No, they don't take a ton, in fact, they are barely averaging more attempts than the Toronto Raptors on a per-game basis.
But they're making them.
To a tune of 40 per cent in fact, good for second-best in the league.
The Raps have struggled to generate offense without Andrea Bargnani, who as of now sounds like he'll be sitting again, so the last thing they need is to get in a fire-fight with ATL from long-range.
2) More DeMar. Let's not pull any punches here. If the Raptors want to win games in the absence of their top scorer, and if Leandro Barbosa is out again, in the absence of what's been their next best option on O this season, they need DeMar DeRozan to step it up. He did against the New Jersey Nets to the tune of 27 points, and for Toronto to pull out a W tonight, they need more of that from him again.
And not just hitting shots either.
One of the big reasons I thought Toronto got the W over NJ on Sunday was thanks to the tone DeRozan set with his aggressive forays to the basket. Even on attempted dunks that were blocked or that he was fouled on he was sending a message; "I'm coming in, and there's nothing you can do to stop me."
There is a lot more of that needed tonight on O, and on D, he's going to have to do a much better job against guys like Joe Johnson and even Josh Smith than he did last time the clubs met.
3) Run like the wind. How have the Raps won games minus Bargs? They've switched their style up. Without Andrea Bargnani the team has been playing at a faster pace and looking to get out in transition. This has brought players like DeRozan and Amir Johnson alive, as it's the style of game that plays to their strengths, and one that the Raps will have to utilize this evening.
However this doesn't mean the team can be sloppy in transition at either end. The Hawks play at the ninth-fastest pace in the league so are quite comfortable getting up and down the court. The Raps need to get out and go, but need to do so without turning things over, and sending the Hawks the other way for easy hoops.
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Atlanta is a good example
of why continuity on teams is a good approach to building a playoff calibre squad. They’ve had pretty much the same core players of Joe Johnson, Smith, Williams, Pachulia, Horford and Teague (even tho he’s just now getting consistent minutes) for a few years and even tho this isn’t the most talented team, they’ll continue to be in the playoffs while these guys are around.
How did they assemble this group? 99% draft and one good free agent summer signing in Joe Johnson (via sign and trade with Suns).
I’d like to see the Raptors do the same, acquire decent pieces that stay with the team while hopefully finding a star to play with Bargs along the way. We may not win a championship but we would be a lock for the playoffs every year like Atlanta which could eventually lead to the big trophy. I like Atlanta’s model, they weren’t quick to trade any of their core pieces even tho at times they all performed below what was expected of them.
are they a successful team
or the ultimate example of a treadmill one?
exactly
Atlanta, while a very good team, is a perennial playoff loser. Yes they’ve hit the 2nd round the last 3 years, and while that is an accomplishment in itself they were swept twice and last year put together two good wins to match 4 weak losses.
Atlanta is a fun team to watch and has some quality players. I do hope they do better this year, but they lack that superstar player to put them over the edge when push comes to shove. And thats not necessarily a model I hope the Raps to follow.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 31, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
i'd like the Raptors to follow the same model in terms of keeping a good core together
Hopefully the diff between the Raps and Atlanta will be the luck of acquiring that superstar. Atlanta hasn’t found that guy but are still in th eplayoffs every year. Even if the Raps have the same luck as ATL, i’d take that over what we’ve been subject to since friggin 1996. I’d take their model in a heartbeat.
You forget something though, Atlanta was just as bad as the Raptors for a lot of the time (since 1996) and only got to where they are after getting 2 top 3 picks (Horford and Williams) and a ton of bad top 10 picks and they then had to overpay a pseudo-super star (Johnson) to come play for them. They are exactly the model not to follow because they actually kind of just stumbled into this situation. Remember their ownership has been a complete mess over the last decade and they passed over Deron Williams and Chris Paul to draft a versatile wing player that has actually had a longer road to hit their value then Bargnani has. I think I would prefer doing what Minnesotta and OKC are doing.
Yeah, the Atlanta story would be a very different one if they drafted Chris Paul or even Deron Williams. We’d probably be talking about a perennial conference/NBA finalist at the very least.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 31, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Good Points
I still think Minny and OKC are using the same model as Atlanta only they are doing a better job of drafting. Same model but better management in my opinion. OKC has collected a core group and with the exception of Green, has kept them together and have grown stronger every year as a result. Minny has just started down that road by extending Love. Those teams aren’t about to be trading the core players anytime soon, there are just building around them. Again, the difference between them and Atlanta is ATL has not been able to acquire a superstar but despite that still play basketball in May every year for the last few which is not bad.
Raps have an average/good core group in Davis, DeRozan, A Johnson, Bayless & J Johnson, Bargnani, and hopefully Jonas. You add one superstar to that group and you’re looking at basketball every May for years. Now whether we are able to become a deep playoff team and title contender is another thing but we can’t even discuss that yet until we start making the playoffs regularly.
Model
I think the model’s right, but the pieces they picked to use in said model, weren’t always right. So as D Stance noted, had the team picked Chris or Deron over Marvin, they’d be off the races. This team is not a good drafting one overall either. I know it wasn’t a great year and yes I’m a Duke fan but Shelden Williams? Not Rudy Gay or Randy Foye or JJ Redick if you didn’t believe in Brandon Roy’s knees? And while they grabbed Al Horford, they took Acie Law instead of guys like Thad Young, Rodney Stuckey, Nick Young, Rudy Fernandez, Wilson Chandler, etc, etc.
I know, revisionist history and a lot of woulda/coulda/shoulda…but looking back, that stings. This could have easily been a powerhouse club.
So the key here is indeed the draft. You get the right pieces, which admittedly takes some luck at times, build a solid foundation and then add to it via free-agency when you need specific pieces and experience.
Again, I think ATL followed the right plan, they just didn’t do a good enough job on the foundation.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Lost in the “shoulda picked Chris Paul or Deron Williams” conversation is that Shelden Williams pick. Just brutal.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 31, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think its easy to say we need to follow okc and minny's strategy
sometimes luck plays into it too. If the blazers ended up taking durant over oden where would okc be? You can’t say why did they take sheldon williams over those other guys because i think a lot of teams would have done the same. It’s too easy to use what ifs and point blame. Hell look at the raptors and what if they took bynum instead of villanueva or granger over joey graham or araujo over iguadala. Sometimes bad luck just happens players develop later than other and sometimes you just hit gold with a durant.
Between 1996-2008, Hotlanta was the 2nd worse drafting team according to 82games.
http://82games.com/bestdraftingteams.htm
Raps 5th worse.
Worse?? Knicks.
what amazed me about that
is the Raps also had the least total number of picks over that time period at 24. (Except ofcourse the bobcats). Every other franchise had atleast 30.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 31, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
My only issue is your stance that the core is good/average when I cannot see Atlanta, Minnesotta or OKC trading a single starter for anyone on this team (maybe Barney if he keeps up what he has done this year) straight up. To me that is not a good sign.
Green was drafted by Boston and I think Perk is a better fit for OKC then Green was.
You're right
Just how good our core is remains to be seen. Average/good was my way of being diplomatic; if I had to keep it real, I’d say our core needs a lot of improvement before a superstar can make a difference here. We’re a young team though so keeping them playing together will help improve things until we acquire that superstar or two to take us to another level. Acquiring the superstar or two is the hard part.
Atlanta Is A Good Example Of Getting Good PIcks After The #5 Pick
Teague – 19th
Josh Smith – 17th
Joe Johnson – 10th by Celtics
Marvin Williams was drafted #2
Al Horford #3
Raptors
Bargnani #1
Jonas #5
DeRozan #9
Bayless #11
James Johnson #16
Davis #13
Jose Undrafted
2012 Pick ???
Joe Johnson
played on Phoenix before being traded to Atlanta. Not sure that counts.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 31, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
successful
because when the Raptors for example are packing their bags and their fans are preparing for a boring May, the Hawks are practicing and their fans are buying tickets for basketball in May, EVERY YEAR for the last few years.
As a fan, I want a team that’s good enough to be in the playoffs every year whether they win the championship or not. As an owner, I imagine the extra ticket sales and merchandise earnings of playoff basketball even though you don’t actually win the whole thing is better than nothing come May.
They are successful in building a consistently winning team but unsuccessful in building a championship team.
For me they are a successful team, more successful than most these days.
successful
Atlanta has been a regular playoff team for the last few years which means they are doing something right.
For me, they have been successful in building a winning team but unsuccessful in building a championship team. How many teams have been successful in building a championship team though?
Atlanta has been a more successful team than most in the last few years because even though they haven’t won the championship, they’ve been a lock for the playoffs every year. So yes they have been successful, at least in building a winning team which is better than a lot of teams; way better than my team, the Raps.
The other thing though, linking to comments above, is how long it took them to get back on the winning track. They were basically the Clippers through the mid 90’s up until mid 2000’s. DerMarr Johnson? Ed Gray? Priest Lauderdale?
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jan 31, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
That is the first step though….
Building a team that is a lock for teh playoffs, after that its about not overspending on players and players putting the team first. Unfortunately for Atl Joe Johnson wanted a max contract and Marvin Williams is very over paid. Marvin is making 7.5mill this season and 8.2 mill next season. Next season they have 28million commited to those two players….Ouch. Imagine if they had Horford, Smith Teague 26 million (total salary), Joe Johnson at 10million and still able to add another max player? Suddenly that is a very good team. Unfortunately Smith, Teague and Horford will make less than JJ and Williams next year.
When your players demand to be overpaid and you give in, it puts you in a precarious place, did Atl have to keep JJ to be a top 4 team, absolutely, unfortunately for them he demanded a Max deal and Marvin hasn’t panned out.
sorry for the double posts guys, don't know whats up with my cpu
gonna stop posting until I figure it out.
On a "Grass is Always Greener" note of the day...
I was just scrolling through the Nuggets game blog looking for their reaction to the Kleiza Harrington fluff and I noted a post, which was agreed upon by others, about how much they like the Toronto announcers…
Oh boy, they must have it bad in Denver…
"the Truth"
tune into...
a laker game.
it really is painful to listen to.
REALLY? I know some announcers are painful but I thought the Nuggs’ guys were ok!
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jan 31, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Will Casey Start The Small Lineup Again?
Can’t see Bayless playing effective D on Johnson
Tonight on The Score
we will see at least one future Raptor. The question is who will it be :). I’ve cleared my schedule, it’s going to be a basketball night tonight.
Talking about future raps
Perry Jones is getting more and more intriguing to me. Watched him play a few times lately and he is a beast. Looks like he has the handles to be able to play small forward. He can shoot and he gets the monster dunks that gets fans on their feet. He looked like he was a pretty good passer to. Making smart plays. I can imagine a frontcourt of 6’10 jones 7’0 bargs and 7’0 valanciunas. Seems pretty deadly to me
I think he is a PF
Willing to be convinced he could be a SF, but I think he is a PF
Walker McKenna
by Robert Archibald on Jan 31, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
It's easier for a SF to play up to PF (Kleiza / J. Johnson) than it is for a PF to match up to a SF...
I would say he doesn’t have the foot speed to be a regular SF (maybe in specific spot situations) and will have to be a slight / quick PF to be competitive…
Hope he can muscle up and take some bruising…
"the Truth"
getting ready for the Canes vs Maryland Terrapins tomorrow night… unfortunately, no NBA ready guys in sight.
I posted this yesterday, but seems relevant to current discussion...
It is a lot of pressure to put on our 2012 pick by saying he has to be a superstar player for us to ever have a chance of being anything worthwhile.
Basically your argument is that the Raps have to draft a franchise talent in 2012, otherwise we toil in the world of eternal mediocrity. A poor (or even average) pick in 2012, will doom us to improving only enough to lower our draft position.
I do not disagree with this line of thinking (currently often referred to as the OKC model). I do think it is important that this does not guarantee anything. Portland has been drafting well for years, and though they have a nice little team, they aren’t favourites to win a championship. Many teams fail despite having high draft picks year after year; LAC, GS, Min, etc. There is obviously nothing wrong in acquiring talent through the draft, but I think you are putting too much weight on one pick.
Most fans are hoping we can pick high enough to draft Barnes or GKidd. Our surprising depth at the bigs probably means that if we are lucky enough to draft 1 -3, we might be able to trade down and still grab that needed wing. I would totally be happy with either SF. But going back to my last point, and the flaw with putting too much weight in this draft alone, is that neither Barnes nor Gilchrest are the franchise playerrs you are talking about. Maybe someone that really loves these guys might argue, but they aren’t clear cut superstars like LeBron, Durant, Rose, etc. So even if we do pick first this draft, I think we are still following the same course as we would drafting 8th. Maybe we throw our pick and a Bayless and move up to get the SF we desire. Regardless, playing well now, showing toughness that has lacked for years, playing a defensive system with clear roles and changing the culture within the team can and should be happening now. If that means we draft a few spots lower, so be it.
Walker McKenna
by Robert Archibald on Jan 31, 2012 2:29 PM EST reply actions
I agree that while this draft IS extremely talent riddled...
There is no glaring League MVP to be had…
I think most of us would agree that this rebuild wasn’t supposed to be a one season project.
The addition of a budding star talent IS key to our future success, but we need one more year of growth, experience and I hate to say it but another good draft pick (which is likely to have to be a good find rather than a top pick, as we should be outside of top 5 talk in a year) before we really start to flourish…
The addition of three draft picks next season (J-Val, our pick and an acquired pick) will help, but will need time to gel and grow themselves, so we SHOULD get another half decent shot at a nice pick the draft after.
With the core we have maturing and developing, along with what looks like 4 above average, if not Star, draftees we should be able to lure a fairly significant talent FA to spearhead the cause and buy into the future of this franchise.
Seriously, having a good core with great chemistry and a pedigree for playing ball the right way (the Casey way), as well as emerging talent (including possibly two to three future All Stars) should make an attractive enough package to get a Marquee talent to overlook the “Toronto” stigma and sign up to make a run…
It will happen, no problem, just takes patience and superglue to keep our butts in the seats…
"the Truth"
Look at it this way...
2012-2013 Raptors should have:
J-Val – Rookie, but ready to play day one…
Barnes / MKG – Rookie, likely ready to play (on this roster), likely to get eased in behind J.J.
Mid-First round pick acquired from Barbosa / Kleiza trade – Rookie PG? Kabongo?
Strong core of Bargnani / Calderon / DeRozan / Bayless / Amir / J.J. / Davis with great chemistry
Decent outlying bench depth in Forbes and Gray
And if we wait one more season to lure our FA Marquee guy, we should have a half decent pick in 2013 draft to add…
"the Truth"
To be honest.. I still think the Raps will be in position for another highish pick next season..
Jonas Bro will be 2-3 years away from filling out, so I expect limited minutes from him the next two seasons.
If it’s Barnes, he’s looking like a slow developer with way sky high upper level potential. MKG to me looks like a more mature player without as much upper potential. Either way, they’d be 2 years from being “competitive”.
This is still a probably lottery team next season too, but that pick becomes a huge Bonus! Like a PG like Kentucky’s Marques Teague or Texas’ Myck Kabongo or maybe a current High Schooler like Shabazz Muhammad.
Actually, I really enjoy the Run and Gun Teague, just not sure if really get the NBA half -court game.
But a Teague, Jonas, MKG/Barnes core.. now we’re talking.
love Teague as well
I watch almost all Kentucky games and I’m always impressed with his style of play. Of all the PGs in thh draft, he’s the best fit foe the Raps IMO.
I haven’t seen him, but I’ve heard about big things from Czech Guard Tomas Satoransky. I’m trying to find game tape on this kid.
He’s supposed to be a really tall PG with good speed, that’s a bit under the radar right now.
Strong core of Bargnani / Calderon / DeRozan / Bayless / Amir / J.J. / Davis with great chemistry
Unfortunately, the downfall of that core is that some players thrive in the slow-it-down, halfcourt (Bargs) while others thrive when the pace quickens (DeRozan and Davis). Some trades need to be made to give Casey the ideal talent to execute.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 31, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
The Raptors still need to add the best player(s) available in the coming draft. Next summer they can juggle the roster to balance things out.
by DW19 on Jan 31, 2012 4:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think most rationally...
The starting lineup with Jose, Bargnani and J-Val would be a more half court, pick and roll offence, and the bench lineup (where I think DeMar and Davis will be kings) will be our energy, fast paced lineup…
I think it actually bodes well to have a mix of both so that you have the option to change it up to fit your opposition…
"the Truth"
Keeping in mind this is my two year contention roster
Starters (Half Court Oriented)
J.Calderon
Marquee FA
J.Johnson
A.Bargnani
J.Valanciunas
Bench
Kabongo
DeRozan
Barnes
Davis
Johnson
Depth
Bayless, Forbes, Gray, …
"the Truth"
I don’t want to watch Calderon play defense two years from now…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 31, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Having watched a lot of Lakers ball over the last few seasons...
… I would suggest the Lakers won a couple of rings inspite of Fisher’s defense. He is a great locker room guy and team leader, but he makes Jose look like a lock down defender.
That's my point, once we get Kobe, Gasol and Bynum we don't need Jose to play exemplary defence...!
"the Truth"
It is too early in the year to predict how the draft will shake out, but it is looking like there are going to be half a dozen high impact prospects this year.
by DW19 on Jan 31, 2012 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Question for all
there has been a lot of talk about MKG or Barnes (and rightly so). But considering the are number of PFs high in this draft… what happens if one of those happens to fall to the Raps?
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 31, 2012 3:37 PM EST reply actions
The Raptors are probably already staring down a decision between Amir Johnson and Ed Davis. Drafting ANOTHER power forward on top of that would mean Colangelo has morphed into Minnesota’s GM.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 31, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Kaaaaaahhhhnnnnn!
I don’t think we can invoke his name as representative of a crappy GM anymore, right?
I mean, he’s no Presti, but still.
…….wait, nevermind, he drafted flynn, rubio and lawson in the same draft. has subsequently picked wes johnson, signed darko for kwame brown money and has managed to guarantee the breakup of his core in 3 years by alienating Love; thereby guaranteeing he opts out.
Kahn: bonehead extraordinaire.
by Respondeat Superior on Jan 31, 2012 4:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Are we talking about Davis and/or Drummond? Of which I’m still picking Barnes. Watching Barnes with Irie at the McDonald’s high school all-american 2 years ago, you knew he was special.
Either Anthony Davis or John Henson I would pick for my roster ahead of Ed Davis...
But I wouldn’t expect to get a Harrison Barnes or MKG back for our Ed Davis…
So I would outright pick MKG or Barnes…and keep our Davis…
"the Truth"
and Drummond obviously, sorry...
But either way, I don’t see our Ed Davis netting us a SF equivalent to Barnes or MKG…
And I would say Amir stays ahead of all three of those big men for quite some time…
"the Truth"
maybe I left the question
a bit ambiguous.
I just see alot of people talking about MKG and Barnes and it seems more for ‘need’ or ‘fit’ rather than best player available. Am I mistaken in thinking this or do people really think MKG or Barnes are the best players available? What happens if the Raps are likely to pick at a position where they are off the board (which is very likely as they are boths sitting top 5) with vast majority of the rest of the picks are PFs?
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 31, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Anthony Davis is my favourite player in the upcoming draft, but without some luck in the lottery the Raptors are not going to be able to pick him. If they could grab him, I would say do it and figure things out later.
by DW19 on Jan 31, 2012 4:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lietuvos Rytas Won Their EuroCup Match Today Going to 2 - 1 in Round of 16
They beat Alba Berlin 86 – 75
Jonas line
Minutes – 26
Points – 12
Rebounds – 9
Blocks – 3
Assists – 2
Turnovers – 3
Fouls Committed – 4
Player Rating – 21 – Best in the game.





























