Raptors Still Open to Moving Calderon?
by Adam Francis on Jan 28, 2012 12:05 PM EST
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As most are probably aware, Raptors' point guard Jose Calderon, in a recent interview with Spanish newspaper Marca, noted that he would "like to have the opportunity to compete for something."
ESPN.com's Marc Stein digs into this idea a bit more in his recent "Weekend Dime," and while he makes it clear that this by no means should be taken as word that Jose wants out of TO, he notes that both parties, Calderon and the Raptors, seem to be keeping an eye on their options.
From the piece:
Sources say that the Raps, if not outright shopping Calderon, have let it be known they're willing to listen, since he's no longer regarded as their long-term answer at the point.
That's because shedding Calderon's nearly $11 million salary for next season would be another step in the reset that began with Bryan Colangelo's drafting of Jonas Valanciunas in June and the hiring of the defensive-minded Dwane Casey as the new coach. It's an open secret north of the border that the Raptors, as much as they've loved Bargnani's increased production and honest attempts to try harder on D under Casey, won't be heartbroken if their 2011-12 record nets another prime pick in the next draft.
The biggest obstacle to a Calderon deal between now and the March 15 trading deadline is that the Raps would surely want a point guard in return, which would appear to rule out teams looking for point guards -- like the Lakers and Knicks -- unless a third or fourth team joins in. Another option for Toronto, if shedding Calderon's salary is needed for cap space this summer, is merely releasing him via the amnesty clause in the NBA's new labor agreement since the Raps didn't use it before this season.
Perhaps there's nothing too shocking in there for us Raptors' fans, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next month or so. Jose had a great start to the season but has indeed fallen back to earth of late. Should the Raptors continue to pile up losses, perhaps Bryan Colangelo sends the "tank" full speed ahead, and decides to move Calderon, regardless of getting a PG in return. Players like Jerryd Bayless and Leandro Barbosa (assuming he's not dealt as well) would man the fort and that would probably help ensure a top 3 pick.
However if Bargnani comes back and Toronto makes a run at a playoff spot, not out of the question considering the club's record with Bargs and the terrible options competing currently for eighth in the East, then maybe Toronto holds onto the Spaniard.
Personally I think Colangelo is more on the "hold" side of the fence unless the right deal comes along.
As for the amnesty idea? I can't see it unless Toronto indeed finds a younger and more suitable option at the 1 going forward.
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how many teams next year
can make a move for Deron Williams? It is known he would like to play with Dwight but how many teams can offer a contract to both? Not many I guess. The Raptors, in the east as it is atm, with Andrea in the lineup, are a borderline playoffs team (with Andrea carrying the offense almost all by himself) Add a JC who is a C to play P&R with, a prime SF from the draft (HB for example, not the lone example), DD and Deron williams and I would say that is a playoffs team from day one with the potential of getting much better every year. If you can resign LB at a reasonable $ (like some interviews to Casey let believe), having Kleiza, Amir and Ed from the Bench gives you quite a deep “second wave”.
I am already waiting for the; “He’ll’’ never come to TO”. Sorry guys but that package is almost as good as it gets.
In this scenario you need to keep Calderon and amnesty him or get back an even bigger expiring.
+1
he’ll never coming to TO as a free agent
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 28, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Have to agree, although logically this would be a good situation for him to come into, provided the Raps nail it in the upcoming draft.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 28, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
free agent season
starts after the draft. Providing you nail it, as you said, you can for sure make an interesting proposition. The man has been in Salt lake city after all.I would image you count yourself as an upgrade to that…..
DWill not considering TO
Sorry, but it is not what he has said he is looking for at all. Look at what Dallas has done, they have a huge inside chance of signing him.
Howard is not coming here either. 1 in 1000 we get them, and they would both have to come in together and make max money. Not going to happen.
But we can look at a number of free agents. Probably someone a little younger with less of a resume, but still we have cash to spend carefully. I hope we get youth and potential and don’t go get someone like Battier, who I love but we are not ready for yet.
by defensive rap on Jan 28, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
What I see in Dallas is a team past it’s prime that won’t have the cap to sign him in free agency. They have no C and their star is 33 now and will eb 34 and 1/2 when netx season starts. Even with D Will in there they don’ t have it for going til the end and they would have what? a one year window?
I would say the seriousness of the program (TO) would need to be sold to him but the argument would be in touch with reality, IN two years the team I described has an inside chance to be where OKC is now. (And I had forgotten about JJ). It is amazing how the bench improves once you add legit starters to the mix.
I think it will be Mavs or Nets for DWill, and won’t be surprised if Dallas gets both Howard and Williams next summer.
TO simply not an option for DWill
Maybe
I still believe there is a case to make. At the end the Nets do not have a great tradition themselves…. but we’ll wait and see
funny ....
I mean really? Does anyone actually believe Deron and Dwight would consider Toronto an option.
The only teams that may be able to get both are Dallas, Lakers and Nets.
The Lakers would be able to offer Sign n Trades and swap Bynum to the Magic and then Pau to the Nets for Deron. Something that people have overlooked, because if the Nets or Magic are worried about ending up with nothing I am sure they would gladly take either of those two.
Nets will have the cap room, moving to Brooklyn and a team of Deron, Dwight, Brook plus a top draft pick this year looks scary good on paper in the short and long term. The Nets will have the cap room to sign Dwight long term so it is definitely a possibility.
The Mavs actually do have the cap room and Toronto could actually benefit from this. They could move Barbosa/Magloire for Beaubois and Marion. Now Marion does have an unfriendly contract but it isn’t crippling and he is still a good player who can contribute and bring veteran leadership. His versatility could really help shore up Toronto’s weak wing position whether starting or off the bench. Plus Beaubois has shown great potential and has scored 40points in an NBA game, given minutes he has proved he can play and he is young and cheap.
Now why would the Mavs do this? Its quite simple really. By doing this the Mavericks can amnesty Haywood and would have enough to cap room to sign Dwight and Deron, to go along with Dirk.
Did you ever thought possible that gorgeous blondie would date either you or me?
While you think about it, I’ll ask her out…..
Agreed...But...
What if we do a deal with the Nets to get D-Will and a draft pick, and give out calderon and a big man (they need that for sure).
Of course D-Will won’t stay here, THAT’S FOR SURE. But, we will pick up his contract and let him test the free agency market this year. Whatever, he’s gone. He will just be a filler. We can use a draft pick from the Nets to acquire a new PG. Maybe even a bonus if the Nets throw in a role/bench player (they got a lot those). We give them a big man (probably Ed since he is a nice prospect and a big man the Nets need), and Calderon (their new starting PG).
I DON’T THINK THIS WILL EVER HAPPEN. But if Calderon really wants out, then this would be a trade I would be happy to make. It’s hard to make a trade to a contending team that has nothing really to give back to us.
Just trying to build off of a D-Will Scenario.
just getting worse...
Why on Earth would the Nets add a draft pick? If anything they would want us to add a draft pick. Which would ruin us for rebuilding.
Remember they gave up Devin Harris, Derrick Favours and two first round draft picks to get Deron.
I said this will never happen
I was building off a possible trade scenario with the Nets. Read the post.
If you want to build...
Send Andrea, Jose and the Raptors top pick int he draft this year for Deron.
That is something the Nets would consider. That is building off an idea.
Hope the raptors never do this because Deron will not resign but at least there is some reasoning to that idea.
Not there is a scenario that will never happen but I’ll propose it anyway. Its like me saying lets trade Bargnani and Jose for Boozer and Derrick Rose. Its never going to happen but lets talk about it.
even better...
Giselle leave Tom Brady for me. Its never going to happen but lets talk about it.
Actually would it be better to ask Tom to leave her for me? I kid I kid.
Alright
I was suggesting something purely out of speculation. Maybe someone will build off of it. Or maybe someone has a better idea. Whatever the case may be, your insults were very misguided since I clearly wrote the post to avoid people like you.
Go on insulting others and shooting down posts with sarcasm and no respect. Have fun.
be easy...
Where was an insult?
I said the trade wouldn’t happen and gave a reason why.
You then responded with “I said this will never happen”
I then asked why would you bother to propose it? Which if you don’t believe it has any legitimacy seems a reasonable question.
Have I been insulting yet or been disrespectful?
I then actually propose a trade that the Nets would consider, which you asked for becuase you were hoping someone would build off your idea. Which I believe is acknowledging your idea and intelligence (by realizing the nets may be desperate).
While the last two were obvious pokes, they were not insulting to your intelligence but to the idea you proposed, which you acknowledge had no legitmacy.
While the last part was obviously sarcastic, it was clearly a joke.
So not only did I build off your idea, which is what you wanted, I made a joke that did not attack you what so over. So please elaborate how I showed you no respect, because if I was showing you no respect I wouldn’t have built off your idea.
Jose is a great player and a special personality for this team.
Although it would sting a little, if we traded him for a decent young player and a pick in this year’s draft, the big picture would make me feel a lot better. And absolutely, If he is moved this season it will also do our chances of getting a top 3 draft pick a world of good.
Dream scenario, trade Jose to a contender, he wins a title and then signs back with us as a free agent once we are ready to compete (thanks to his trade).
I have a horribe feeling that the Heat would try and move heaven and earth to get him…
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by Rebrand_the_Raps on Jan 28, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions
I forgot about the Heat, but what could they possibly offer??? Them the Lakers, and the Knicks could certainly use Jose, but what do they have to give (obviously Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Knicks “big three”, Bosh, Wade, LBJ are not coming here for him)…
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by JumpShootersRUS on Jan 28, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah there’s not a lot out there that teams that NEED a Jose can offer.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 28, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
There was some discussion of Schupert and Feilds for Jose on another thread recently. That’s intriguing…
by MAS11 on Jan 28, 2012 2:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
haha, that was my idea
Salaries don’t match up but I really like Fields and Shumpert. If Shumpert adds polish, he could be a great one. Tonnes of athletic ability.
NYK need Jose but if they are waiting on Baron Davis to return to his former glory, they may wait. But I think it is like waiting for Leandro or Carmello to pass it on offence with less than 10 secs on the shot clock….not very likely.
A third team may need to be involved to make the salaries work.
by defensive rap on Jan 28, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
may?
understatement of the year.
The Knicks could add Jeffries, Bibby, Novak and Jordan and teh salaries still would not add up properly.
This trade has zero chance of happening.
Yeah cause Toronto would have to waive the equivalent amount of players to make that happen.
There really is no way to make this deal happen because NY would have to move one of Amare, Chandler or Anthony to do it.
This trade works and could even make some sense for both teams. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=75cljdv
Garcia is not a great 2 but he is having a down year as his minutes are down. The real juice is Isaiah Thomas.
Miami has Norris Cole
but you are right Adam, there isn’t a lot to get back from the teams that need him.
Maybe to Miami for Chalmers and or Cole and or Mike Miller.
In Chalmers we get younger and more athletic.
In Miller we get outside shooting which we sorely need, although I don’t see him fitting in long term, so I would rather take a chance on Cole. But salaries need to matchup a bit, so Miller may need to be thrown in.
Miami gets the best assist to turnover rated PG in the game for the last few years to play along side three of the best finishers in the game…
I'd rather just keep Jose if that's the best the Raps could get
by MAS11 on Jan 28, 2012 2:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
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by JumpShootersRUS on Jan 28, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. Another +1 here as well.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 28, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Chalmers
No love for Chalmers? Do you feel he benefits statistically from playing with the big 3? Because his stats are pretty good and he’s very young.
Personally I hate this trade because of the Mike Miller addition. And Cole is talented but a second round pick and far from a valuable asset.
Shumpert and Fields are nicer pieces going forward and that is where I would look if I was BC.
by defensive rap on Jan 28, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno. Chalmers seems to be playing better this season – but does he benefit from all the attention the Big 3 are getting? Can he keep up this level of play over a full season? I’d rather stick with the known quantity in Calderon.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 28, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
well I like the deal with NYK more than Miami
because it brings back more potential. Shumpert and Fields are young, talented and have huge upside. It also sheds salary and frees up our books even more.
Chalmers is good and Cole has potential but Miller doesn’t fit in here long term IMO.
Shumpert becomes our PG of the future and Fields competes with DD for his job and DD finally has to earn his minutes which could be great for him.
Yeah there really is nothing that interesting that the top teams can offer.
I don’t mind getting just a draft pick for Barbosa, but for Calderon you have to get a player and a pick back, surely.
I actually think Jose would sign an extension in Miami if dealt there, can you imagine how devastating the big 3 would be with Jose setting the table for them?
The best value seems to be on teams which are either trying to break through to elite status, or are desperately clawing to it.
How about Jose, Barbosa and Ed for Kawhi Leonard, Cory Joseph, and a pick? No idea how to make the salaries match up on that one though.
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by Rebrand_the_Raps on Jan 28, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions
I'm not sure
Jose would be the best fit in Miami. Dwade and Lebron are the defacto PGs… we’ve already seen what happens when Jose isn’t the primary ball handler (2009-10 season).
Jose without the ball in his hands is not offering a team much.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 28, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
He would not have the ball in his hands as much in Miami as one might think. LBJ and Wade both have the ball a lot and do a ton of distributing for non-point guards.
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by JumpShootersRUS on Jan 28, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Throwing in the towel
It would shore up that low draft pick this team still seems in need of.
It would be tough, because we do not have anyone else like Jose. Bayless has done nothing to show me that he can effectively run an offence.
I am prepared to let his deal run out on the Raptors and then decide whether we resign him or not. Think he is integral to the needed growth of this roster.
Sorry Tinman. I did not read your post prior to posting the one above. Basically I could have just done the old +1
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by JumpShootersRUS on Jan 28, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just curious but why don't you guys ever give rec's?
like so
by wallywagon11 on Jan 28, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wouldn't rule out the Lakers
because if I am not mistaken they have a big trade exemption and two first round picks coming next year (theirs and the Dallas pick)
+1
Though they might need the draft picks. Still, it’s worth to look at.
Trade options...
Realistically the NY Knicks and Miami Heat are not trade options for Jose.
The Ny Knicks have way too much of a disparity in their salaries to make any deal for Jose. On their roster they have commited all their salary to three players, the rest of the team total 11.5 million, which would mean they would have to trade every player on their roster except one to equal Jose’s salary.
The Heat have no one on their roster that make any sense to trade with. They all have longer contracts and are older in age, and the players who are young don’t have enough value. On top of that the Heat value Chalmers more than they would Jose. Chalmers speed, quickness and length compliment the Big 3 on the defensive end and he can knock down the three. So while Jose has the ability to run a team, does anyone think he would be able to be the middle man between Lebron and Wade? So lets scrap those ideas.
Unless there is a three team deal I cannot see either the Knicks or Heat getting someone from our team, on top of that what team would want to help them by being the third team.
The lakers are the most likely partner beacuse of their 2 draft picks and trade exception. They could take on Jose for nothing and still send draft picks our way.
Are they though?
The Lakers biggest problem with Fisher is his inability to defend his position. Jose, though a great facilitator is not much of an upgrade over Fisher in that regard. I would be surprised if LA were seriously looking at Jose.
Raptors are a better team with him tho
right now anyway
Do Something...
Get at least something for Jose. Don’t repeat with Bosh and get nothing in return.
Can anyone else say ... PANIC BUTTON!!!
Man, it’s like the boat is on fire so let’s sink it to put it out… killing us all in the process…
"the Truth"
Yeah
Because it’s hard to find someone who is truly dedicated to the Raptors. Of watching the Raptors all these years, all I see is players leave or wanting to be traded.
I mean, I hate to be the guy that makes all these rash assumptions, but this is the way things have been for years.
Bosh was a star, Jose is not
If Jose walks we get cap room and that’s good enough. If he resigns and finishes his career here better
Agreed…
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by JumpShootersRUS on Jan 28, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Bayless
What about trying to interest the Knicks in Bayless? Wonder if we could get Tony Douglas (who isn’t a PG but is good defensively and can shoot a bit) and, ideally Fields, or Bill Walker (a SF who can shoot would be useful) and a 2nd rounder.
Not sure Bayless has much interest from anyone but if Baron Davis doesn’t come back soon/gets hurt again the Knicks are going to be desperate for anything resembling a PG. Bayless resembles a PG at times.
I wonder if there’s a way to pry Beaubois from Dallas? If we took back a salary (Marion or, if they offered something more, Haywood) letting the Mavs position themselves to offer Dwight and DWill max offers they might be interested.
they want a floor general
Bayless isnt.
He is more in the mould of Jamal Crawford than a true PG….he would get eaten alive with the Knicks.
I could understand Jose on the Knicks it just doesn’t seem feasible without a third team. Which complicates the deal dramatically.
Free Bayless
Let him start, when he started in a stretch of games last season, his numbers were as good as any top pg out there. Give him the keys and lets see what he can do
Free Bayless? Raptors have made this error before
take a guy who ha sa good stretch despite doing nothing before and unfortunately nothing after that stretch and make him a starter. In Jason Kapono’s case, make him a starter and give him big money
I like Bayless and would like him to be resigned for cheap
but not as our starting PG. I want him on the team long term because he has an edge and competitiveness that others don’t. I like the guy but so far, except for a good stretch last season, he doesn’t look like a starter yet.
That being said, there will never be a better time to evaluate Bayless as a starter, and it's a contract year...
We have to know whether or not to re-sign him and if so for what role…
"the Truth"
+1
Though Bayless would probably crumble as he doesn’t have true PG material, at least he will get his shot. I hope he proves me wrong.
by keepit4real on Jan 28, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Jarrett Jack didn't look like he was gonna cut it as a starter either... he's doing all right I hear...
"the Truth"
This Is True
I hope Bayless can do the same for us.
What do you guys think of signing Batum?
He’ll probably get a bigger contract than his numbers warrant and he has already been in the league awhile. On the other hand, he plays good d, shoots the three well and showed on team France that he might be a very good offensive player if given a bigger role on offense. Raps seem like a great fit, especially if we don’t take a SF in the draft.
If we do draft a SF I wouldn’t mind making a play for Courtney Lee to push Demar and back us up at both wing positions
Eric Gordon didn't sign an extension with the Hornets...
He will be a restricted free agent this summer…
It’s rumoured though that he is looking for a max deal from his hometown Pacers…
4 yr $16 mil per year…
IF we got him, DeMar could continue to be a backup and grow, Barbosa could be traded, Calderon could be traded, Forbes could backup both PG and SG and Sonny Weems could be back on the roster for a cheap qualifying offer next year to backup (and moral boost) his dawg…
"the Truth"
EG is a restricted free agent. There is almost no chance that the Hornets won’t match any offer.
Teams that are hoping to get him really shouldn’t have him in their plans. Indiana is rumored to be after him, but I can’t see the Hornets not matching any offer, they just cost themselves 6million dollars beacuse he will get max, but was willing to sign for 4/55mill vs 4/61 mill.
So...
Bayless / Forbes / Kabongo
Gordon / DeRozan / Weems
Barnes / Johnson / Kleiza
Bargnani / Johnson / Davis
Valanciunas / Gray
Seems like a step in the right direction…
"the Truth"
Oh yea, and you may have noticed I wouldn't intend to retain Carter, Butler, Magloire...
Alabi who?
"the Truth"
If we do get to pick first, second, or third, do we still take an SF (Barnes or MKG) or do we go for the best player available with Drummond, Davis, and Lamb (in that order) on the table? Seems like we have a pretty simple plan going forwards as far as personnel if we are drafting an SF, if we draft a PF/C or SG we will get a better individual player but it seems like a major facelift would be needed to make it all fit together.
I see no Ed in your future plans also, that’s sad but seems like the most likely outcome. Regardless what happens the rest of this year I think it is crucial to get another pick in the first round of this draft.
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by Rebrand_the_Raps on Jan 29, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I realize that listed measurements are often wrong, but they say that Davis is an inch taller than Amir, who sometimes serves as our current center. Ed is still young. Maybe if they convinced him to bulk up further he could play the C position. There has to be some use for the kid who seems to be languishing this season. Seems like they are not giving him an opportunity to succeed and develop this season
I wouldn't put Lamb above Barnes, maybe not even Kidd Gilchrist...
He can score, in college, but he is slight and not known as an elite defender…
Barnes has an NBA build, scoring and defence…
MKG has hustle that compares to Rodman… and he has skills too…
I did keep Ed in my rotation, just deep in the rotation until he earns a bump up the totem pole…
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What if Valanciunas does not fit in next year? Why not stock up on another 7-footer in Kaman from the Hornets? All of a sudden, we have immense defense around the perimeter upgraded with shot blocking and rebounding capabilities. Likely choices to go can be Barbosa, Kleiza, Calderon, 1st round pick 2012 and cash. Only drawback could be the team speed which could slow down with Kaman, Bargnani and Valanciunas on the floor.
Isn’t Kaman thought to be an offensive player with little to offer in terms of defence other than that he takes up a lot of room?
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by JumpShootersRUS on Jan 29, 2012 4:10 PM EST reply actions
yes
he has never been a defensive force
by defensive rap on Jan 29, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
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