Game Day Thread: Toronto Raptors vs. Denver Nuggets
by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:01 PM EST
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Let's face it. No Bargs tonight makes this one a very tough challenge. But the Nuggets aren't 100 per cent either so time for the Dinos to dig in and get a much-needed W.
GO RAPS!
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Oh TSN
Guess this one’s on standby for another six minutes or so…
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Starters
While we wait…
Gray, Kleiza, James Johnson, DeRozan and Jose. Another interesting five.
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Solid - thanks
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Wait a minute!
Am I to understand the Raptors game is being preempted by LACROSSE? Sometimes being in Canada sucks for an NBA fan…
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 9:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep
Was just tweeting about it.
And the scary thing is, with Rogers and BCE owning the Raps now, we could see this happen even more.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Curious why would see it more with Bell and Rogers as owners? If that’s the case that would suck…
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 9:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Going on my media buying experience, the ownership group is going to sell more ads on shows that have higher ratings and higher draws. We hear horror stories about the Raps’ ratings, so it’s conceivable that the games would be sacrificed more often now for other sports like tennis, curling, etc. Especially now that the companies that control the channels the Raps play on, own the team.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ok see your point. However, wouldn’t they want to sell their product (raptors) on their network as well?
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 9:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They already owned the network (TSN owned by Bell media) so could have done it before/without owning MLSE.
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 9:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep, but think you’ll see more of it now as those two companies have full content control now. So while they would want to sell the Raps on their network, if media buys aren’t paying as much for Toronto then…
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
The game i want to see...
Raptors vs UNC with college rules….what do you think the line would be?
obviously im joking, but this is awful with Andrea.
Terrible.
I was just joking that I want the lacrosse back.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
wow... don't know what to say...
Gray seems like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest under the basket!
getting no help and the shots are horrid
1 for 16
Just not his style of play…the Nuggets just go, go, go.
Altitude can’t help either.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
gray doing fine
ton of rebounds and stopping most inside play
its our horrid missed shots that killed the first team…not gray
he was a bright spot
His D though wasn’t exactly of the “lock-down” variety. Nene was taking him to school.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
nene was 3 for 6...
and those weren’t all grays.
please,
the entire team was allowing nene to go by
and the back up coverage stunk as well.
it was still the horrid 1 for 16 that killed them
Hoping they continue that.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
One of those nights?
When Andre Miller is hitting soccer throw-ins…
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Seems like it ha ha!
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Looking at some numbers...
I am really surprised to see that the Raptors defence is better with Andrea on the court.
I’m sure people know that I like what he bring, but I will willing admit that his defence is not superstar and has been poor. However, this year the raptors allow 107.4 points per 100 possesion with Andrea off the floor, and 105.6 points per 100 possesions with him on the court.
This conversation has been talked to death and both sides have legitimate arguments.
His play has been that quality but he hasn’t played enough to warrant an all star selection. He shouldn’t be an all star beacuse he hasn’t been playing, but he has been probably a top 4 forward in the East when he is on the floor. Yes I SAID top 4, better than Boozer, Amare and Carmelo, but he shouldn’t get because he will probabyl miss half the games before the break.
One of those curious things this season. I really find him doing a much better job on screen and roll D though, which is a key thing.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
I also think the big key has been his Help “D” which I used to cringe at. His lateral feet slide has improved 10000000000000000000000000000000%
Yep – that’s what I mean on the P&R situations too. Getting to the spots way better.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
against the Suns, if you look back I may have typed that several times about his SnR D.
He hedges very aggressively and forces the PG to take a step backwards, which allows his teammate to go under the screen and recover. He has also done it when teams readjust their screens, giving a second effort.
One thing he needs to improve though, is sprinting back to the roller so the defender helping him can recover to his man, he does jog back to the roller.
He is awful at guarding the high post though….gives way too much space. Once his man catches it is very difficult, he needs to discourage the catch at the elbow/free throw line more.
And that’s not happening.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Was going to say I think some numbers people need to hit this game for us to have a chance….
Derozan-18points/45% shooting and 6 free throw attempts
Jose- 13 shot attempts and 10 assists
Bayless-20 points manufactured through his own scoring and assists, and less than 3 turnovers.
Barbosa-17points on 16 shots.
Amir-10/10 and 30 minutes.
10points 10 rebounds, I said if we were going to win tonight, people gotta step up. Have you seen us without AB?
every game, every moment
i thought you were allowing him 10 fouls
Hope...
they don’t fire Casey like they did Smitch, I have a feeling we may see a similar result tonight.
Yep – Ryan Wolstat made a point earlier on Twitter that the Raps coaches have not had much fun making the trip to Denver over the past 5 years or so.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
barbosa making me a believer
a bright light on the second team
ppellico..
was just reading some earlier posts, you really are a eternal optimist aren’t you? haha
even doing better
since I learned you can get your meds to work better with scotch
I’m going to need to combine them for the recap.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll use some cheap stuff…or paint thinner.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
OMG… the raps are running a half court Standard Motion offence?!?! Not sure if that’ll free anyone up in the NBA! Heck, you don’t see that in college much anymore. Ughh.. Without LB this is going to be Jump Shot city.
Yep…or unless DeMar remembers that he doesn’t have a guaranteed contract keeping him in the NBA for the next 10 years.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Or Boston University at Stony Brook…also on right now.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
it is not a complicated game if you have players who have talent, we just don’t have talent. Truthfully this team is exactly what we expected, the only difference AB has been better than expected. I am not surprised we are this bad.
Think this is a huge point
In these types of games I always think Barbosa looks awesome.
Well…it’s because his talent stands out. The Raps just don’t have much that compares to what Denver can put out there.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
eternal optimist here
again…lockout
new coach
inguries.
mostly road games against teams with no home games.
just gotta call it as I see it
their coach looked better
heavy.
he looks like his head shrunk but his ears grew!
Bayless/Barbosa
This game is all about scoring and the only two doing it tonight are on the bench, whilst calderon and demar are stinking it up
Jose is good with talent around him, but bad without talent. He is a floor general and organize a team but not a good who creates a ton of offense individually.
He was pretty bad there. Looked tight.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
NEW GAME....
What will Leo say at half and how will they try and rub his ego?
Let the ego rubbing begin!
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
again we see a team
that needs to run. Not play half court.
I understand the value of a slow half court game defensively. I understand the value of wanting to prevent Denver from running. I also understand the value of the automatic ping pong ball if they don’t.
.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:07 PM EST reply actions
its not about this year.
Casey is putting in the system he is going to run with this team for years to come and wants to find out who can play it. He isn’t interested in entertaining but winning.
His style of play looked fine the last two games.
I understand
and especially after the interview they showed with Casey its apparent that this entire system is designed for Andrea.
(again as I pointed out preseason this team is being built around Andrea… but neither here nor there)
Yet it has few other players to play within it. .
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why trading him is still such an intriguing idea to me.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
haha
was gonna pose the question in a fan post ‘is it time to trade andrea’ but I figured I’d get eaten alive
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Think it’s worth a blog post, especially later in the season. If you subscribe to the idea of “trading while they’re hot” well…
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Fair point
I’m not disagreeing with you on the system design, I agree, but what system would be better with these yahoos on the court tonight?
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
atleast running
would give them a chance to build some momentum. Its a loss any way you slice it
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
True
But see my point re Jose below regarding running.
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't agree
I think Jose can fit in a running system. He’s done it before.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
whoops
not that there aren’t better choices out there for that. Just he can do it.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
last year
the team ran and he was probably the best player on the team.
Defensively well thats a different story.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Whats the point?
We watched a season of it last year.
The system is designed for Andrea because he is our best offensive player. The whole point of rebuilding is to start from the ground up. Which means a new system and style of play.
I really don’t know what people were expecting. Yes it is awful to watch but this is what it takes to build a program. If you don’t like the system it means you don’t trust Casey.
It should also be noted Jose while good in the half court (especially P&R) is just not a run and gun PG and no one else (save maybe Bayless) can drive a fast break.
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Definitely part of the issue. Going to be interesting to see what direction this team goes in the off-season as to your point, they’re really not built to play Casey’s stye of ball right now.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
+ they don’t have a wing player to complete a fast break, even if the PGs do run. Its just not worth running at this point.
I think James Johnson could be a good finisher, so could DeRozan. But then again, DeRozan is too soft when finishing.
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Imagine if that halfcourt heave went in?
On second thought, don’t. 54 to 32 is bad enough.
32?? At this pace the Raps will be lucky to crack 70.
Hard to win when you shoot 30 per cent from the field, shoot only 4 free-throws, get outrebounded…ok essentially get completely outplayed.
Talent isn’t there, but this shouldn’t be as bad as it is.
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I’d say it should be about as bad as it is.
With only 1 guy being able to create off his own dribble, no interior game… they’re.. limited (to say the least)
Got to agree
Cant see how it should be better…
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no interior....why
who is saying not to creat inside passes to gray?
he damned 7 feet tall.
you want to get fouls on their bigs..then creat a few plays for you center.
i have seen gray for 4 years. I know he can get shots IF plays are designed with this..
but as a 5th option…we never get close to that when we do one and outs every damned night
we suck
OMG...is THAT what you got from my writting???
the answer is hell no…thats not what I think
Do you know a guy named Buddahfan?
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
don't want to talk about this anymore
from a few shots inside to open the game to 11 shots a game…i give all conversation of this up
Yeah, happy with Gray tonight but saying he should be a focus on offense…well…
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
why shouldn’t it be?
Yes 22 is a huge lead, but would 15 shock you?
Denver is much better than Toronto.
Agreed but...
…just didn’t see the fight I expected.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
What do you guys think about starting bayless along with calderon, I know timberwolves playing rubio and ridnour/barea is working for them
At this point I just want Derozan off the floor. He is awful, has only shot over 45% 4 times in the last 13 games, haven’t done the numbers but I’d be shocked if he was over 35% shooting.
Accompanied with his complete lack of defence, rebounding and passing, I am all for anyone else playing more.
I agree
Demar is a liability out there. If he can’t find the guts to attack (just start running guys over… at this point an offensive foul is worth more than a missed shot, atleast Denver needs to inbound the ball) sit him.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Someone needs to get to the bottom of this...
I’d love to hear Casey’s unvarnished take on what’s happened to DD. or at least what they’re trying to do to get him on track. Honestly regression doesn’t even capture it anymore…
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm almost positive
its the system change. He doesn’t have the skill or ability to beat his man, nor is he that skilled of a shooter. He needs to run to be effective. I’m not sure thats ever going to change for him
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
to be honest, the fact that I’m still seeing a Motion Offense in whatever week we’re in, probably says they haven’t had time to implement any system other than having something revolved around AB.
I’d say that’s another factor too though. If you could get some REAL practice time, maybe you find a better way to use DeMar.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I just don’t think he’s that talented a player overall. So for him to be effective, it has to be in an up and down game with him running the floor. And that’s not happening in Casey’s system. Contrast that to James Johnson, who is still very effective at least from a defence and rebounding standpoint in the half court.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Probably right
Which sucks cause he doesn’t finish strong enough to be a great open court player either.
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And that’s another piece of the puzzle. Gets knocked around way too easy.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
easier question….
What does he do great?
Watch him right now for a few positions, I don’t think he ever sprints.
does make me ask the question though
one of BC’s strengths was his drafting…. now that Demar isn’t panning out and Ed is questionable at best, is BC left with any strengths?
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Funny question…especially because I always thought his drafting was more a product of luck than actual good prep work. But regardless, it’s a scary thought.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing
Seriously, that was my initial issue with him out of college. There was not one NBA skill that I thought he had that gave him an edge. And I’m not counting “jumping high.” Gerald Green could jump high. So could Baby Jordan. It’s what you do with that “jumping ability.”
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Dwight Howard ...
I can’t see the Magic not trading Howard, last night was the end of his era in Orlando.
First the blowout against Boston where they scored 57 points, than last night blowing a 27 point lead and tonight they lost by 26 to the Hornets.
Otis Smith does seem to be
partially inept. I imagine he gets traded but he may just pull a BC and pretend like his best player may still re sign.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is going to end up in NJ or Dallas, can’t see the Lakers putting together a package that is attractive enough without butchering the team for Howard to compete.
The Clippers could but I just don’t see the package being there.
Personally I am wondering if DWill and Dwight are thinking about Dallas together.
They should take Bynum and be happy they got that.
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no doubt
not all teams can be in a position to take an advantage of Stern’s mistake
“I’ll sell you Chauncey for 2 mil if you cover for my fuck up”
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
And now there’s all this Kaman talk. He’d look good at the 5 on the Raps (well, look as in FIT) but would kill their lottery chances.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
that is not happening.
Colangelo understands this year he has to be patient. Unless it is Kleiza/Davis/ and Barbosa.
New Orleans is in a scary good spot. They could amnesty Okafur and would only have 20mill in cap. They could then offer two max contracts say…Dwight and Dwill, resign Gordon adn their draft picks.
WOW that is a scary thought.
Hornets
are not signing a franchise player. If they realistically could CP3 would not have left
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Probably not, the one thing I am pretty confident in, is that Deron and Dwight want to play together.
It just matters if its in New Jersey or Dallas or Lakers.
how scary...
is a lineup of Dirk, Dwight and Deron?
I disagree,
I think that was a steal for the Hornets. Better than getting Odom, Scola and Kevin Martin.
If Minny doesn’t make playoffs they will have two lottery picks in this draft. They could end up with Perry Jones and Harrison Barnes to go along with Gordon.
oh it was
a good deal for the hornets.
But I’m not sure it existed before Stern made a little side deal with Sterling (conspiracy theory ofcourse)
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
0-10 shooting
why is Derozan still on the floor, is the coach scared to bench him?
I don’t think we’ll see him much longer here.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Plus his defence could be described in the same manner so that works.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
That was actually my “wake up cd” in my alarm clock this week.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
I also “don’t drink that wine.”
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
calling it now
BUST!
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D Stance with the BUST call!
Uh oh…is DeMar replacing Andrea in terms of incurring D Stance’s wrath?
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Once again
I would like to point out the great decision made by Captain Crap to draft a project instead of any number of players who might have been better choices in both the short and long term.
You mean Andrea Bargnani, the 2011-12 Advanced Stats Darling? Yeah, I’d say DeRozan and his garbage game have surpassed Bargs in that regard.
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Awesome.
Kinda like the Island of Misfit toys eh?
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
ummm
Alabi sighting tonight? Is he in a suit or a uni?
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions
Uni!
Let’s see if he gets some garbage time run.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
James Johnson
DeMar should be watching his game tape tonight.
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Johnson might be my favourite player on this team actually.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
he reminds me alot
of a Josh Smith-lite
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yep – good call.
Same bonehead decisions at times too.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
yep
thats what makes the comparison so good lol
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Gun to your head...
… Can only keep one: James Johnson or DeRozan! Thoughts?
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
leading question....
at the moment, I think everyone would say JJ but that’s because w eare all watching Derozan try and play basketball right now.
Johnson.
And I’m being serious.
But then again I preferred the Raps drafting Johnson over DeRozan. You may recall that Toronto’s final list was actually DeRozan, Johnson, Henderson and Holiday.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yup and they may have got the worst of the lot
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Scary but true. Henderson is shooting better and a MUCH better defender.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yup Henderson's having a good year
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not leading at all
Evaluate overall skill sets
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gun to your head...
Would you trade Andrea for Amare?
Wow
Now THERE’S an interesting question now.
Unbelievably, gun to my head I say no.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Personally if I was the Knicks I would offer that trade to the Raptors.
I think Andrea would fit in with them perfectly!
They have two elite rebounders on the wing and C to help Andrea, plus Tyson is a shot blocking big. On top of that Andrea doesn’t rely on a pg for pick n roll.
Amare has proven one thing, he needs an elite pg. See his numbers with Nash/Felton and now…its obvious he is a undersize C who nees an elite pg.
Plus wih D'Antoni coaching Bargs wouldn't have to wory about all that defense and rebounding stuff ; )
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ha
Although the weird thing is, the Knicks are sucking this year BECAUSE of their offence. Read a ton on it today and they just can’t shoot!
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
And I love it.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think
Andrea fits in that system at all.
As much as Andrea has improved himself this year, the slow half court game has helped him out alot to. Going back to a running, fast shooting system I don’t think will be to his benifit.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
then you don't
understand spacing. The knicks just do not have any spacing in their offence.
Amare likes to catch the ball on the elbow, Tyson is located in the low block. Where is the spacing for Carmelo to operate?
The fact is that Andrea could space the floor for them and they have the personnel to cover up his weaknesses.
Do you think Andrea would fit in on any team? haha.
its not a shock either though.
D’antoni’s system is based on spacing and speed.
They aren’t fast and they can’t shoot.
Last year when they were winning they had, Gallinari, Felton and Chandler, Fields and Douglas.
Chandler 1.7 threes, Felton 1.6 threes, 1.1 threes, 1.7 threes, Douglas 1.8 threes. Thats almost 9 threes a game from those players for the Knicks last year.
If they had Andrea playing the four it would help their spacing DRASTICALLY
I understand spacing
but I also understand game speed. Andrea has never played well in a fast paced game. He is simply not a floor runner or a ‘fast’ player. Amare is.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't
even think twice about it. Done deal.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Read enough intel on Amar’e this year as well as advanced stats to say no to that trade when I factor in his contract. Rather take my chances with Andrea than have a gimpy maxed out power forward.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
I know I shouldn't
but I’ve always been a big Amare fan.
He’s like Bosh… but with energy.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I would too.
Bosh is so underrated because he is on Miami.
Both guys are championship number two but I think Bosh is much more versatile.
I think
Amare has that edge to him Bosh never has. Thats been the difference and why I think Amare is (or has been anyways) the better player.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Bosh did it without Nash.
Bosh has been to a finals.
Bosh has also avg over 10rpg 3 times, amare has never.
Ya he stats are heavily in favour of Bosh.
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gortat
was always considered the best big man in the league that wasn’t getting an opportunity to start. Both while in Dallas and Orlando. All he needed was a chance.
.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Gortat performed well in limited minutes in Orlando. His play and numbers in extended minutes in Phoenix is not really a surprise.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 27, 2012 11:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
he was my key sleeper
on my first team. Greg Monroe on my second.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Monroe has been a beast!
Wanted him as a sleeper but waited one round too long
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 11:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He was drafted fairly high in our league - relatively
And no one batted an eye…
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 11:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
shockingly
I’m going to say no. Was reading an ESPN piece on what’s wrong with Amare and it’s pretty clear his athleticism is gone. He’s getting his shot blocked at a high rate and those knees are just uninsured ticking time bombs.
I’d go with Bargs. No contest.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 27, 2012 10:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Exactly my point. I can deal with a semi-useful guy who can at least shoot and doesn’t rely on pure athletic talent…not to mention has a contract I can swallow.
All of those right now surprisingly describe Bargs.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s so bizarre to say – but the fact is I wouldn’t touch Amare right now. Even if Bargs regressed after the hot start, it’s still better than the cap nightmare that is Amare.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 27, 2012 10:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
+1
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Not over rated,
but Amare requires a specific system for him to be effective.
He needs a pg who can run the pick n roller n shooters around him and he needs to play the C position.
He needs you to build a system around him but he can’t manufacture a shot for himself in the half court.
And the 10 and 5 may be conservative
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
4th quarter line up
Bayless, Barbosa, JJ, AJ and whoever, whats the worst than can happen, we gonna win this
+1
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
I told u we will win, nor Casey dont mess with the lineup
Keep it as it is
This comeback is hilarious
A fumbled falling-down pass by Bayless to Barbosa for a 3 that rattles in???
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No for sure – just mean it’s not exactly a thing of beauty.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Al Harrington should be wearing a raps uni...
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 11:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He did for years...
…but under the name Bargnani.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
No I mean he’s playing so terribly tonight he might as well be collecting a paycheck for MLSE
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Aaah
Haha. Got it ;)
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Heyyyyyy-ooooooo!
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 27, 2012 11:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Think they HAVE to…can’t go into next year with a terrible losing culture. The losses will be there, but hoping for a few “Utah” type wins sprinkled in.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Nuggets got away from what they were doing in the first half
Raps knocking down shots finally too.
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Haha.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Think we’ll see Bayless return?
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know Casey
Playing DeMar and Jose here in crunch time when both have been so bad?
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And on cue…DeRozan with a nice fast-break take. Maybe that will get him going.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
Boy do I love butler.
Derozan can’t score if it isnt a layup.
sarcasm...
Butler is about as useful to the Raptors as a bag full of pucks from the Leafs.
casey is making a statement whether u playin well or not and u are not a starter u wont play down the crunch, its sad
Yep – little hard to understand why someone like Rasual is out there.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Why-oh-why did it take him 45 minutes to do that??
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Too little too late again though it looks.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
BTW i just saw defensive Stances picture and he looks a lot like Ron Burgandy. He should change his hair style as 1980 was 32 years ago.
Ummmm, yeah…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 27, 2012 11:27 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Now there’s an interesting compare I should do…DeMar vs Maggette.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, think the stats will show that a healthy Maggette was better because of how well he shot mid-range, and how often he got to the line.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I do…but I just saw much more OVERALL game from T-Mac.
Plus he played a lot less than DeMar has.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
We need an experienced coach
Casey isnt the right guy for the future. Im gobsmacked does he actually wanna win the game?
I don't agree
what this team needs is a new team for Casey to coach.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
+ A Million
There’s just no talent here.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
joke...
was meant for Rex’s dumb comment about Casey.
and yes I said dumb.
I would take Kleiza in that fight...
Lithuania’s are CRAZY
Yep, pretty much. Although you get the feeling Kleiza could be pretty good in that role too.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
QUICK!
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
What a joke
Hey Kleiza, Davis and DeRozan – how about being tough in the first quarter instead of getting down by 30 again?
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Did Rudy Fernandez just get used as a foreign object?
by MAS11 on Jan 27, 2012 11:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That cracked me up. Harrington is about as much a fan of Fernandez as Kleiza.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Completely agree...
the raptors should beat the #2 team in the west, on the road, when its their third game in four nights and without their best player.
how you can take out the guys who were barely missing a shot and brought u back in the game for guys who cant make any jumpshots is unbelievable.Headscratcher there
maybe..
because they had been on the floor for 10minutes straight and were gassed….or because Calderon has proven himself able to make big shots, I think he hit one in Utah…..to get Derozan experiences at the end of games because he needs those experiences over Barbosa who will be gone by the end of the year…I can go on if you’d like? but the fact that this team is able to compete consistently with its lack of talent is a testament to what Casey gets out of them.
yeah but Calderon was playing relatively well in Utah and he played like crap tonight. You call a time out to rest your guys not put in DD and Caderon.
Casey knows his team best, thats really what it comes down to.
I think part of it is that Jose will get them quality shots in the halfcourt which happens down the stretch of games. Unfortunately we can get all the quality shots we want, we don’t have quality players.
If James Johnson is our best offensive player, we are in trouble.
Drifted...
Its comments like this that I was arguing….
Casey has now bought into the losing mentality of the ball club
We need an experienced coach
Casey isnt the right guy for the future. Im gobsmacked does he actually wanna win the game?
The fact that we disagree with how he substitute should not race any questions about his coaching. He has this team playing hard (something they didn’t do before) and competing every night. Even without our best player, on the road, our 3rd game in 4 night against the #2 team in the west we were in the game in the fourth quarter. That is a credit to his coaching and his substitution patterns can be argued but are really a minimal concern.
should also be quoted...
We need an experienced coach
Casey isnt the right guy for the future. Im gobsmacked does he actually wanna win the game?
Those were said by rex.
Problem with being young...
The players aren’t able to make adjustments on their own and makes changes on the fly.
Which I think is why we see so many problems early in the game adn then such a better team in the 2nd half. Casey makes adjustments at half time and they work however, we have already dug ourselves a hole.
too bad
we didn’t get a “mash up in the mountains” would have given a little extra intrigue to the game.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 27, 2012 11:31 PM EST reply actions
Normally I wouldn’t call for this but Harrington should get a 1 game suspension for no other reason then he was obviously trying to start something with Kleiza. He followed him around yapping yapping yapping, bumping him and finally Kleiza pushed him off and probably cussed him out too. That could have turned ugly and it would have been another black eye for the NBA.
That is setting a dangerous standard, he won’t get anything.
He was yapping, refs should of been there but Kleiza put his hands on Harrington first.
And the game wasn’t that close in the end it was simply stupid for Harrington to be there. Like I said, I wouldn’t normally complain about this but to me it just seemed unwarranted
LOL
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by Adam Francis on Jan 27, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Final Thoughts
The 28 to 12 first quarter killed them, and at some point the starters need to play a hell of a lot better. DeRozan was awful again tonight and Jose struggled too.
Toronto failed to hit 40 per cent from the field and it’s pretty tough to get W’s that way, especially against a club as good and deep as the Nuggets.
Some positives though like James Johnson’s play and Jerryd Bayless’ scoring, but talent discrepancy stood out in the end.
Thanks for chatting folks, see you Sunday for the next game thread.
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