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My Raptors Rebuild


So there are a multitude of fantasy scenarios that land us All Stars and pave the golden road to Championships... but that thread isn't this thread...

I have a few thoughts on some moves that make sense for us and the other parties, and an overview of my vision moving forward...

Disclaimer: Some key player development will be assumed in my vision, in the event that this progression fails to manifest itself my world collapses and this vision needs a large overhaul...

Key players / pieces for the future, already on board :

1. Dwayne Casey - Love his approach and his product has already show fundamental changes.

2. Jose Calderon - One more expensive year and then retained as a very good backup / mentor for a fair price.

3. Andrea Bargnani - Andrea 2.0 is actually looking like a (gulp) solid second option on our future roster.

4. DeMar DeRozan - (+) He works hard... (-) He's got LOTS of work to do... (+) He's only 21... (-) He's got LOTS of work to do...

5. Amir Johnson - He's my bench energy guy, and a continued pairing with Calderon suits me just fine.

6. James Johnson - Bench spark # 2, great defence and improving control and offence make him a nice role player.

7. Gary Forbes - Like what I see so far, versatile player who can relieve multiple positions, and on the cheap.

Auditioning for Roles

1. Jerryd Bayless - Cue music... "Show me whatchu got pretty mama...", "Are you gonna be my girl?" Or is he "Never gonna get it, never gonna get it..."

2. Ed Davis - Entitlement is an attitude that can not be tolerated. Can he man up and do the hard work, reliably?

3. Aaron Gray - By all early accounts looks like a solid backup big, who is cost effective and may be a pleasant surprise.

Trade Assets (see scenarios below...)

1. Leandro Barbosa - "Contenders needing hustle players and scorers, my hand is raised...pick me! Pick me!"

2. Linas Kleiza - Can he recover to be a productive player in this league? If yes, trade him, if no, amnesty.

3. Jerryd Bayless - If he doesn't win the starting PG spot does he have a home here? I would say no. Likely play out his contract as emergency backup and part ways.

4. Ed Davis - Unfortunately, if he gets himself on this list he's probably shown himself to not be worth high returns, but we can't employ more benchwarmers.

Departures

1. Anthony Carter - Not even a discussion.

2. Rasual Butler - Unless lightning strikes.

3. Jamaal Magloire - Enjoy retirement sir.

Arrivals

1. Jonas Valanciunas - There's a starter spot reserved with your name on it. I see a bright future for you here.

2. Draft Pick # 1 - Maybe not the overall #1, but OUR number one. I foresee Harrison Barnes or Michael Kidd Gilchrest.

3. Draft pick # 2 - Absolutely turn one or two of our existing players into another first round pick, no question. A PG for the future? Kabongo? Teague? Strickland? A hot SG? Lamb?

4. Free Agency - Slightly murky waters at this point but I have a tentative idea or two. Or just one.

5. Sonny Weems - Seasoned, smarter, cheap, depth at SF

Trade Scenarios

Option 1 - Barbosa and Ed Davis to Orlando for J.J. Redick, Quinton Richardson and 1st Rounder

Rationale : We get a shooter at SG and emergency depth at SF and a pick (Kabongo); they get playoff scoring, young talent and cap space to woo Howard with a star F.A. next year (Derek Williams)

Option 2 - Barbosa to Lakers for TPE and 1st Rounder (Lakers)

Rationale : We get a shot at Kabongo, Lakers need bench scoring and Kobe relief for the playoffs.

Free Agent Wishlist

Eric Gordon, throw dollars at him until he can't say no...

Amnesty

Kleiza doesn't put it together / physically can't compete, sad story, there's the door...

So with the above intentions accounted for here is my roster for 2012-2013.

(Trade Scenario #2 most realistic)

PG - Myck Kabongo / Jose Calderon / Jerryd Bayless

SG - Eric Gordon / DeMar DeRozan / Gary Forbes

SF - Harrison Barnes / James Johnson / Sonny Weems

PF - Andrea Bargnani / Amir Johnson / Ed Davis

C - Jonas Valanciunas / Aaron Gray

That's after only one season, the sky is the limit my friends...

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Love trade option 2

Based on this year I am all for trying to get a pick out of Ed Davis.

I think Ed will be an amazing NBA player, but for some reason I don’t think he wants to be one here. But what do I know? Hopefully his lagging performances this year are due to the special circumstances that came with the lockout or with our team being designed to fail and net that draft pick, maybe Ed is lacking motivation because of this and next year, with a target of respectability and possible play offs he’ll play like a beast.

Formerly known as timboslice85

by Rebrand_the_Raps on Jan 24, 2012 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

Not a Barbosa Fan

However, we need him as the Raps spark off the bench. He’s a guy that is known to break down defenses in the NBA and score points in a hurry. He’s very streaky, but he can be effective in the future. I believe his production can’t be replicated unless we get another equal bench scorer like him. I say keep Barbosa for a year to keep our bench strong.

I agree with everything else though. We can’t give Davis the minutes he needs in the future (JV, Andrea, Gray will all be taking them). AJ and Davis will be competing for minutes, and Amir works 10x harder than Davis right now. May change in the future, but as of right now, AJ deserves a spot on our roster.

I really hope we get Barnes in the draft…

by keepit4real on Jan 24, 2012 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

I say keep Barbosa for a year to keep our bench strong

Our bench isn’t strong. I think that if it is possible to get a first rounder from someone for him, then that is as valuable as he can be to us.

by highvoltagerob on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

A fire sale of our roster isn’t going to solve our problems, especially when it’s our leading scorer off the bench…

by keepit4real on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you think,

That keeping what we have, and finishing with the #8-10 pick in the draft would be better than trying to move a few players to get an extra pick or two, along with a top 3 pick? I think that solves our problems much better than holding on to the few tradable assets we have and winning 11th in the east. That strategy equal mediocrity forever. I want more than just missed the playoffs again this year. I would hope that everyone who is a big enough fan of the raptors to be on here would want the same.

by highvoltagerob on Jan 26, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Barbosa's Importance

It’s easier to say your strategy, rather than implement it. We are not going to finish 8-10 lol, that is not going to happen with our roster. I’m saying keep some key pieces. Barbosa is important, and will definitely help in the future…at least for a year. His importance is not fully understood during a losing season, but trading him will lose future bench production. It’s easy to say trade a player, and get a draft pick. But remember, draft picks can be busts too. Why take a chance on a developed and proven player in the NBA? He’s 29, he still has some years in him. He is comfortable in his position, which is very hard to find in the NBA. He has an incredible wingspan and speed that makes him unique. Also, you need an equal amount of veterans and rookies, and Barbosa can help provide a veteran presence. I’m not trying to hype up Barbosa to be an all-star, but to us, he is worth a lot. Especially since we have a non-existent bench for the future years.

I’m not saying don’t trade for draft picks; I have always been an advocate for trading for draft picks. I just think that the risk to trade Barbosa for a 1st round draft pick (assuming it would be mid-late round) is too high. We need him on the bench for the future.

by keepit4real on Jan 27, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I agree he is a helpful bench player, he is also a free agent after the season. Maybe he would resign, maybe not. I think that if we could get a mid-late 1st rounder from someone, that would be better than trying maybe being able to resign him.

by highvoltagerob on Jan 27, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Good analysis, Mikthaniel!

Minor quibbles: (1) You’re not the first person to suggest that Jose is “expensive”, but I don’t agree. On a value-for-money basis, he’s terrific. (2) Does anyone remember Andrea suffering the sophomore blues? I do; he was viewed as a bust. Now he’s a beast. Remember that before you run Ed Davis out of town. (3) I’m not a College ball guy until March Madness, but when I look at Draft Express’ mock draft, at the top I see a lot of bigs. They are always valuable as trade bait if they don’t work out, so let’s not draft small until the late picks.

Lots of points on which we agree: (1) all your Departures – especially Magloire, who’s mailing it in. Time for him to retire and become Dwane’s Ass. Coach for the bigs. (2) Bayless continues to be a head-scratcher; as you say, we have to wait & see. Same with Linus. (3) Sonny Weems? Sure, if he’s available. He might take his buddy DeMar’s minutes.

I’m going to take a look at available free agents for next season, & may post soon if it’s interesting.

by Newmarket Brian on Jan 25, 2012 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

And in my final assertion regarding Ed, I keep him on the roster as a backup to keep trying to blossom...

And as far as drafting a big, unless they are an unquestionable All Star at this point, redundancy gets us nothing…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 25, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot of good points I definitely agree with.

I agree with most of the stuff you said but heres a few things I would personally consider:
1) definitely trade barbosa at the deadline for a first round pick. I would try and trade it to someone making a playoff push but still has a chance to not make the playoffs or have an early exit which would make it a better pick. I agree with you where we should use that for kabongo or kendall marshall if available.
2) I would throw in Perry Jones as a potential small forward to draft. With his size and skill he could be a dynamic game changing player. I do like barnes and gilchrist though so I say leave it to the scouts to decide.
3) too early to give up on ed davis. A lefty shot blocker is extremely underrated. Most players shoot with their right hand and this means a lefty shot blocker is lined up perfectly against righty shooters.
4) Bayless wont be a good starting point guard. I say after we trade barbose you train bayless to be that 6th main scoring option off the bench.
5) I’d love the suns to trade nash to a contender and then have him sign here to retire as a raptor and be a mentor to a young point guard. If not calderon will do just fine
6) This has nothing to do with what your scenarios said but I think we’ve got a good one in Valanciunas. Good centres are hard to find I’m glad colangelo took some heat from fans in order to make the right move for the future

by Traptors on Jan 25, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions  

Scouts

I wonder where the Spurs get their scouts from. They always hire the best players for their draft pick. Their roster is just filled with crazy second-round potential lol

by keepit4real on Jan 27, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade for Kaman right now

Hornets are looking to trade Kaman and I believe Kaman is a great fit for the Raptors right now. Never mind the draft and get a seasoned 7 foot center who can play defense and get the rebounds and score well. Kaman will complement well with Bargnani and DeRozen or other forwards. Time to improve is right now. We can part with Amir Johnson, Barbosa, Kleiza, Davis or any player and cash that the Hornets would like to have. Only problem is these players may not be what the Hornets are looking for. How do you get the management to sit up and listen to this trade?

by Richard L on Jan 27, 2012 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

Not The Worst Idea

The worst idea goes to allowing Rasual Butler to start in an NBA game.

by keepit4real on Jan 30, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Kaman?

If he could be had really cheap, maybe. But he does not fit our needs at all. The only thing intriguing about him is to think he might be able to fit well into Casey’s system. But with JV coming over next year, I wouldn’t give up much for him. Certainly not Amir, whose character is key to this team.

Another question, does Kaman want to be here? I only want to trade for players who want to be here and I doubt he does.

by defensive rap on Jan 28, 2012 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

Keep JV, fill in the SF and PG spot in the draft. The C spot will be safe for Jonas, doesn’t even matter if he’s good or not lol. I hope DeMar improves because the SG spot needs to be solid or at least good for a playoff run in the future. Hopefully we can get some more draft picks for the upcoming draft.

by keepit4real on Jan 28, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Bayless has value as a perennial backup to the One and Two spots...

But this is also exactly what I see from Forbes…

I think Bayless has the POTENTIAL to be a starting PG but he needs to really work on his muscle between the ears before that’s realistic.

I think Forbes doesn’t have starter potential really, but he does have longevity as a reliable backup.

That being said, is DeMar going to be worthy of the starting lineup as this team continues to improve? If we are now talking about three backups to a rookie PG and FA SG, then unfortunately I think Forbes or Bayless has to go.

IF DeMar can improve and retain his spot, I have no problem with Calderon, Bayless and Forbes backing up / training a rookie PG. Depth is a good thing.

I honestly think a big part of DeMar’s struggles have to do with lack of practice time leading to a need for improvisation, which isn’t his forte. He is not a creator so much as he is a spot up shooter (when a play is designed well and he’s not pressured) and an athletic cutter through the lanes.

Once the offence gets some real practice time and there are more plays designed to play to his strengths, he will blossom again. I have faith.

That being said, damn boy needs to work on that D… Way too much El Matador stuff going on…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 31, 2012 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

I will say, Kleiza is surprising me so far...

He has come back to form faster than I expected and looks to be making a case for being a valuable asset.

All the better for us! More draft picks!!

… still traded Kleiza, sorry…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 31, 2012 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

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