Tip In: "The First Quarter Woes Continue" Another Slow Start Dooms the Raptors In L.A
The Toronto Raptors started the season playing motivated basketball, however in the last 8 games they have been anything but. Is the Raptors' poor play in the first quarters the reason for their losing streak?
It was about six minutes into the first quarter of the Raptors 103-91 loss to the Chris Pauless Clippers when the game had already started to feel like it was getting away from the Dinos.
Now, that seems a bit ridiculous considering the deficit was only about 11 points, and there was more than 40 minutes left in the game, but with the way the Raptors have competed--or not competed--over the course of this season it has become apparent within the first quarter of most games whether or not the Raptors have brought the effort they need to compete for the entirety of that particular match.
Much to this point, this season the Raps' first quarter effort has been a key indicator as to what type of game the Raptors are going to put together as a whole. In the four Toronto wins this season only once did they trail after the first Q, and that was against the Knicks by only a single point. Simply put, when the Raps don't get off to a good start, they don't win; and yesterday afternoon's affair was no exception.
The Raptors once again started extremely slow out of the gate. They scored only 11 points in the first quarter and found themselves trailing by 16 points at the end of the first quarter. As I pointed out in the Rapid Recap, this was the fourth time in their last five games that the team failed to score 14 points or more in the opening quarter--a trend that has magnified the importance of losing the offensive firepower of Andrea Bargnani.
The team actually competed in the next three quarters, winning both the second and the fourth, but the deficit they created for themselves in the first was too large to overcome. Granted, the Clippers did rest their starters for extended minutes throughout the game, allowing for the Raptors to bridge the gap more than they would have otherwise, however the fact remains that this game--like many this season--was lost in the first quarter.
It is obvious that the Raptors lack significant offense options within their starting five. With Bargnani out, neither Ed Davis nor Amir Johnson are particularly talented offensive players, especially in the half court; the same is true for James Johnson. DeMar DeRozan isn't quite the offensive talent he perhaps should be by this season, and has struggled when defenses have focused in on him. Calderon is a somewhat reluctant scorer, but has the skills to run a team and get them going on the offensive end.
Yet, we have seen these players put up points together at times in the past. In the end, it all comes down to the effort; and yesterday the Raptors came out with very little. Rather than working the pick and roll and driving to the basket, the Dinos settled for too many jump shots and looked out of sync.
DeRozan was actually effective when driving to the basket early on, but his willingness to get to the bucket didn't last long and was part of the reason he finished just 4-19 from the floor. James Johnson and Jose Calderon also fell in love with the jump shot, and did so with little success. The pair combined for 10 points on 4-16 shooting--hardly what you want out of your starting lineup.
For whatever reason, the fervor with which Dwane Casey had his team playing early on in the season has dissipated and we are now left with performances like we saw yesterday which leave the observer bewildered at the difference between the Raptors we saw at the beginning of the season, and the Raptors that we have seen over the last 8 games.
After the game Dwayne Casey echoed these sentiments, commenting that "We've got to evaluate everything because that's two games in a row where we've had a lackluster start, spotting a team that number of points..."
Given Casey's comments, it is very possible that we may see a change in the Dinos' lineup come Tuesday night against the Phoenix Suns. Casey has already sent a message to forward Amir Johnson that any lack of effort will not be tolerated.
Johnson played only 6 minutes against the Clippers for the aforementioned rationale, and Casey opted to play Aaron Gray, who had a solid game, in favor of Johnson because, according to Casey:
"I just thought Aaron Gray was sprinting back and doing a good job getting back and Amir wasn't and those types of things are not going to be acceptable."
Dwayne Casey has made it known that he will hold his players accountable, which has to be a good sign for an organization that hasn't had a coach attempt to do anything of the sort in quite some time. We can only hope that by sending this message his team, they will come out with increased effort on Tuesday against the Suns.
The Raptors will travel to Phoenix next where they will look to take advantage of a Suns team that will be playing the second game of a back-to-back. If Toronto finally comes out of the gate with that much needed energy and effort, they should be able to outwork a tired, and frankly not very talented, Suns squad.
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I believe it was
TheScore that had perhaps the greatest recap I’ve ever seen. They made a few comments about the Clippers throwing an alley oop to Griffin on the first play. Then showed the highlight of that play, followed by:
“And the Raps never recovered”
lol amazing. And so true.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 23, 2012 8:57 AM EST reply actions
Saw that this AM – along with a number of bumbles from the Dinos. Missed the game yesterday but looks like I didn’t “miss” anything…
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by Adam Francis on Jan 23, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Hard to believe Amir is being called out by the coach for a lack of effort when he has traditionally been the picture of heart, hustle and effort. There must be more to it.
What I'm thinking is
He’s checked out mentally … I think that’s it, losing his man, setting weak screens, going through the motions on of fence but not really presenting and being ready for the ball.
Ed too , Jose throws him a lob and he doesn’t even jump, what’s with these guys, it’s like they’re super tired out, but other teams can get it going. Same thing last t.o. game … Rarely do I agree when fans boo their own team, but man, they deserved it. They suck and they know, but you gotta have some pride.
yeah but...
…what reason could he possibly have to check out mentally? He is in the starting lineup (at least he was), he’s got a solid contract, lots of minutes and the respect of the fans… This still does not make sense to me.
Being forced to play a position where you are constantly disadvantaged and getting beat up on...
On a team where winning isn’t the goal, and yet you bleed for your team (figuratively AND literally) on a nightly basis…
Only to be over-matched across the board, lose games, and continue with no foreseeable end in sight?
Can’t imagine what is dis-heartening about that…
"the Truth"
so he should not be at center?
when I first started reading this sight, everybody, well…a lot…were saying he was to be the starting center.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but was this the plan last year?
I agree is his size wise a PF. Just like they learn in NO, Okafor is undersized as a center. He does well throughout theyear occasionally, but gets hsi but handed to him during games with larger centers and playoff physical games.
As I recall, that is why Gray was needed and did so well against Byrnum in LA.
I don't think anyone
thought he SHOULD be the starting C, rather he was the best option at that spot.
No question in my mind that Amir should be the PF… just not if that means Andrea at C.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 23, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
then the question is
IF Amir struggles, emotionally or physically, at center…would that force starting Gray?
I would not be for it.
Again, I adore the kid…just think that it would be the Peter Principle all over again.
Being put into a situation where the chances of failing are greater than succeeding.
Gray is my hero, a fantastically hard worker and defensive minded guy…but a minute slow afoot for a starting NBA center.
It MIGHT work IF he is surrounded by the league’s hot shooting 3 pointers of other teammates that keep the defenders pulled out and away.
IF you don’t give him that, or any center., .the crowded play beneath the basket is a tough place to work every night.
Look, as the guy said last night, a talented big man is the coveted player in the NBA, so its is not an easy find.
But IMO you start there and then get your outside shooter.
And again IMO, Gray would be a fantastic bench player backing up the European stud everybody here is talking about.
The unfortunate reality is...
the team isn’t yet properly constructed, it’s a rebuild after all, and people are going to be asked to step outside of their comfort zones until the proper pieces are put in place…
Maybe amir goes back to PF off the bench and becomes 6th man of the year material for the rest of his career…
But for now, he’s needed to wear multiple hats so to speak and do what needs to be done to get through…
I don’t think Gary Forbes is whining he played three positions in one game… he was happy for the minutes…
And I don’t think Amir is whining either, I just think he’s letting mental fatigue affect his play…
"the Truth"
Amir has no right to pout if that's what going on
Last year Bargnani was the pf miscast as a c and getting banged up and tired out and it may have made a big dffierence from the look at pf. This year being case in point. So, yeah it sucks, but it makes more sense for amir to be in there, especially if starting is super important to him. Otherwise, they should start maglore or grey and have Ed be third pf.
hate to play that card but...
with that contract and that skill set that’s the very least he can do.
Oh I'm not saying I don't think he should be a professional and do the job he's paid for to the best of his abilities REGARDLESS of co-workers etc...
I am just saying that from a psychological perspective I can clearly see where that mentality would come from…
"the Truth"
bargs
MAKES ME wonder if he would have been hurt last year……. lol how bad would we have been? maybe we would have one 3 games! hahahaha although hes playing better this year….. We do really need him back! I still have hope by end of year we figure things out and young guys go back to improving we will have Jonas coming and decent draft pic by the looks of it….. as well as some cap room and I am sure colangelo wont be bringing back all the chumps he brought in for one year contracts….. I am so glad he did that lol hes really set up for next year!
Last year things on this team were very different. Bargs wasn’t nearly as efficient as he has been this year and he has been bringing it on both sides of the floor (at least in comparison to his past effort). Last year I think the team was better off without him but this year his start of season “jump” made a huge difference on how this team was competing.
I understand
this is (another) year of rebuilding and I’m ok with that. But at the end of the day basketball is supposed to be an entertainment and Raptors have been simply painful to watch, virtually EVERY game, for how many years now? is this ever going to stop?
and I’m afraid next season won’t be that different: “we have such a young team, prospects need time to develop, but next year…”
This is what happens when Management is in denial, ask Maple Leaf fans how that works out. I look at this as a beginning. We are at rock bottom and can only go up from here. My only concern is that I do not trust BC to do the right thing for this team going forward as this team needs a massive talent overhaul and lets face it, the only tradeable piece is Bargnani and he hasn’t played well long enough to get much back for him. All we can hope is that he comes back from his injury continues to play hard, be efficient and at least move around on D and his stock might go up to turn him into a tradeable piece that can net us a high pick or excellent prospect.
totally agree
still wonder how BC managed to put together such a talentless roster.
It’s ok to have a long term plan and build for the future, on the other hand I feel Raptors need some short term solutions – not to win some games, just to make this team vaguely watchable. There must be an element of entertainment at some point…
by TFC Academy on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Trading established performers
Once you determine that a piece is performing to expectations, trading him for an unproven piece with “potential” lends to treadmill situations as much as max contracting the wrong player. Part of achieving championship level play is aligning the peak or near peak of the players on the team. That is part of the reason you don’t give up on the likes of ED and DeMar right away. If they do get it together after this stretch and Bargs continues maturing into the player we hoped he’d be, given his style of play, the team has a better chance at an extended, multi-year stretch of high level play that will make watching fun again.
Consider also that Bargs is not making max money, that his performance per dollar metric is quite good, if not exceptional this year, and I’d be wary of trading that production too soon if it is known to work in the context of the other pieces. I honestly think if we had an opportunity to watch and critique other players on other teams as much as we do our own, we wouldn’t be so quick to shortchange someone like Bargs.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
The issue of trading Bargnani is more related to the lack of overall talent on this team and the depth in the coming draft. Most of the best players (as they are projected now) are going to be PF and Cs. Even if they were guards, trading Bargnani would open minutes for other players (Davis, Johnson) who may not provide the offense but might fit in nicely with whomever the Raptors draft. Plus both of them are a lot cheaper and that means the team can spend money on traditional areas that lead to winning (SG/SF).
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It’s been a few rough years – I personally enjoyed watching the Smitch-coached Raps quite a bit – the PG combo and Bosh and Bargnani playing well together, making the playoffs. Not a bad stretch (for the Raps).
Hoping this rebuild results in a few bright years – and I’m willing to wait for that.
by dhackett1565 on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Some of the better teams in the league
Have quality point guard depth. The point guard doesn’t have to be a super star but the drop off from starter to back up shouldn’t be as significant as its been for the Raps this year. The real benefit of the TJ / Jose combo was that the style difference really worked to the team’s advantage. TJ’s penetration and finishing ability, coupled with his ability to pass really added a good dimension to the team. It was a solid, low turnover team with depth and clear role definition. I think Sam was starting to really figure it out as a coach in comparison to his earlier years but I think the chemistry on the coaching staff was not ideal, especially after Jim Todd left, and that’s what ultimately compromised the long term potential of the situation.
Long story short, it was fun to watch.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Jan 23, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Agree on watching the Smitch-Raps and hoping this rebuild pays off. However point me to a time when “Bosh and Bargnani (played) well together”. Or more precisely, point me to a time when Bargnani played well before this season…
well that is an easy task
I pick the first coming to my mind. In 2006 he was the best Raptors in the playoffs, coming out of surgery. Bosh disappeared instead.
sure, keep repeting it
it wouldn’t stop being wrong tho
I know, it is putting salt on live flesh but
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NghENUEVNgU
just to refresh some horrible memories for you…..
(can’t find game 5)
oh sorry
here it is game 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_bQb1QbbKs&feature=related
go and get game four yourself
I'm assuming you mean 2007 playoffs....
He averaged 11pts 4 rbs 1 assist and .5 blocks per game for the series. This is the best example you have. This is your example of Bargnani playing “well”. Hmmmm…. OK….http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bargnan01.html
Oh and by the way the Raptors weren't even in the 2006 playoffs!
http://espn.go.com/nba/bracket/_/year/2006
So you’re not only remembering things incorrectly, but just simply making ish up…
my bad
2006 was when your idol drove the Raptors to the #1 pick. Of course it was 2007
Yes it was Bosh's fault... Again, nonsense.
Do you watch any games in the NBA that don’t involve Andrea Bargnani? If you did, you would realize that Bosh is playing very well this year.
I have no idea
but as you made several times the point that Chris drove the Raptors to the playoffs, I was making the counter point he had never done it without Andrea, actually the season just before Andrea, The Bosh led Raptors team got the 1st pick, just to give you the possibility to make an apple to apple comparison with last year team results.
please Renato
using the ‘year’ before when the team had 9 different players is bit ridiculous. Bargnani has been a liability until this year…. pretending he was somehow impactful until now is like saying Andrea couldn’t do anything this year without Demar
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 23, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Garbajosa
He had a much, much bigger impact on the Raptors making the playoffs than Andrea in 2007. So did Anthony Parker. Bosh was the main reason. Jose helped that year as well. Andrea was a struggling rookie who scored a bit but didn’t play a lick worth of D and that’s the point in time you defend his play?
Andrea has never played solid two way basketball until this year. This year, in the few games he has played he has played very well. It is about time, but to act like he’s always been good, is wrong. To give him credit after such a small sample size this season is a bit early, but you got to love the signs and his effort thus far.
by defensive rap on Jan 23, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
the most...
reasonable comment out of them all
it all started with
“point me to a time when Bargnani played well before this season…”
as a matter of fact you can, talking oneself into pretending it is not true, it is utter nonsense
well I'm not sure
Mas was referring to using the smallest sample size available.
But sure……
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 24, 2012 7:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think you may be taking the bosh hate a little far dude. he was the heart and soul of this team for at least 3 years.
by Justin Azevedo on Jan 24, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Congratulations...
For finding a few solitary games where he actually played well. Brutal…
"I was making the counter point he had never done it without Andrea"
It’s statements like this that exemplify just how out of touch with reality you are and ruin your credibility.
I know
never let the truth spoil a nice story.
What story?
I believe different people are elaborating on different discussions believing they are having the same one.
My story: MAS11: "point me to a time when Bargnani played well before this season…"
which is something that can be debunked with no effort. I pointed out to the playoffs 2007 where he was possibly our best player, in his Rookie year.
As a side note, since Andrea got hammered (by several, but I was referring to MAS) for having led his team to an absmal record last year, I pointed out that Chris did no better untill 2007 where he had Andrea (and the others) playing with him. Now I understand arguing about Garbajosa Parker TJ and the other, fair anough, as long as you realize last year etam did not have anybody close o that level.
“which is something that can be debunked with no effort. I pointed out to the playoffs 2007 where he was possibly our best player, in his Rookie year.”
As you didn’t address this above, I’ll repost here. See below, the thought that Bargnani was our best player in the 2007 playoffs is a joke:
“He averaged 11pts 4 rbs 1 assist and .5 blocks per game for the series. This is the best example you have. This is your example of Bargnani playing "well". Hmmmm…. OK….http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bargnan01.html"
Regarding comparing Chris Bosh in 2006 and Bargnani last season, its not even close. Bargnani was one of the worst players in the league last year by almost every advanced statistical measure. Bosh in 2005/06 was only in his third year and was already putting up pretty good production. You just have to look at the numbers Renato.
and you have a selective memory
and compare apple to oranges.
I dunno, the first 5 or 6 games of this season were pretty entertaining, even with the losses in there.
by Justin Azevedo on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Gray # 1 fan here
but still thunk it a stretch to say Gray was sprinting.
I love the kid…more than anybody…but watching him get down the court makes me feel he is pulling a sled behind him.
Nit sure I want him to start as I still think he is an awesome 20 minute bench center.
But a coach needs to explain more as to why Amir moving slowly and playing as if a relative is on the opposition.
I enjoy Gray’s fouls when setting opposition players on the floor…but feel his minutes to valuable to be used as an enforcer.
EVERYBODY needs to be more physical!!!!
Well, I read for two years here
That defense was the end all be all but now you see there is more to the game. Typically the top teir teams have big time scoring at the 2 or 3 spot which means someone who can create off the bounce and wants the ball in crunch time. I was hoping that would be Derozen but not so sure any more. It could be a weakness in “offensive” coaching.
I fail to see a relation between O and D
meaning that for playing good D our guys have to give up the O. I believe some different approach to O by Casey has made the difference. I am not sure we had a fast break kind of offense last year, so the slower peace should not be the only factor here. For sure when there are quite a few players playing below what their perceived level was, one (the coach) should stop for a second and ask himself if something he is doing isn’t actually backfiring.
oh raptball
how much you missed if you actually got defense was the ‘end all and be all’ from those discussions.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 23, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
So Amir Got Benched For Being Stupid
Didn’t watch the game but read about it over at Clips Nation.
Doesn’t surprise me.
I have never really posted to much over the years about Amir’s lack of intelligence but if you go back and look at what happened to him in high school where he was caught cheating and his inability to pass the college entrance exam along with all the dumb plays he has made over his career all the dots connect together
When Amir was with the Pistons someone in the Pistons media asked all the players what they would give as a Christmas gift to their fellow players
Sheed said and I am paraphrasing – “I would give Amir his first book, so he can learn to read”
cheers
who are you
and what did you do to Buddahfan?
by renato on Jan 23, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Adam Francis on Jan 23, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Did Amir say something that pissed you off
Buddha, don’t mistake book smarts with intelligence. If Amir is not a good academic student so be it, but it does not mean he’s stupid. There are many adults who do not read well and were pushed through the system when they were young. Maybe Amir is a victim of poor education when he was young.
He has the kind of smarts we need; for example
1. he improves his weaknesses in the off season
a) bulked up
b) developed outside shot
2. he is smart enough to be a team player and has been a loyal teammate his whole time in Toronto
3. he is smart enough to make the hustle plays we need and to go for the ball and not think about it too much
What he did was not hustle, and he got benched for it. Strange to bench the hardest working player on the team, but maybe it was a way of sending a message to the entire squad; everyone is accountable. Probably opened Ed’s eyes a bit to see Amir benched.
by defensive rap on Jan 23, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
you are right about not mistaking book smarts for intelligene...however, the cheeting
is a major jump to one side of the discussion.
This is one of, if not THE major point I hold against Rose of the Bulls.
His cheating is in fact an important part of my liking and rooting for you or not.
So I will not.
I refuse.
I detest cheating more than anything else. And cheating in school is right up there. The fact that I am already not a big fan of athletes in college getting in without the same legit score limits as every other student applying, the cheating on top is NOT allowed.
Then to get caught and NOT have to at least pay back your college scholarship is an affront to the rule of law.
We all as taxpayers of public school get screeeewed big time.
And do you even listen to Rose talk?
I can’t understand a thing he is saying. How in hell is he supposed to be a floor leader when his team knows he cheated?
No one said Amir was stupid or lacked for intelligence
He was accused of not hustling back on D. Not sure where the hell you got that from…
Buddha said it
Amazing, but Buddha rips Amir above for cheating in High school and being dumb. I respect the fact you don’t like cheating ppellico, neither do I. But I am not one to judge an inner city kid’s choices when they are 17 years old and in a compromised environment.
Amir so far as been one of the hardest working and loyal players we have had here and he may have made a mistake in desperation as a teenager, but who knows what kind of advice he was getting and who is was surrounded by. I went to school. I did well and never cheated. All American athlete, great grades and I had the chance to go to an Ivy league school…..but I have never walked a day in Amir’s shoes so I am not so quick to judge him. What I have seen from him, I respect and like a lot.
Rose is worse to me because he cheated and took a scholarship away from another deserving candidate. Amir left public school and went straight to the NBA. Maybe Rasheed Wallace made fun him and he was the butt of a few jokes in the locker room, but he took it like a man and he competes and plays like a responsible adult and he is one of the few on the team.
by defensive rap on Jan 23, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
https://twitter.com/#!/HPbasketball
Here are some interesting tweets from Hardwood Paroxysm:
…. minimum 100 possessions, the best defender in the league by overall PPP allowed is Andrea Bargnani. .. uh…. I …
BTW, your top-ten, min 100 possessions: Bargs, Hansbro, Taj, Gortat, Jordan, Collison, Bass, Asik, Holiday, Blake. TWO BULLS RESERVES!!!
So it’s not like Bargs is among some weird outliers. Gortat, Jordan, Gibson, Asik, Holiday, Collison all with strong reps as defenders.
Should note on that list, it’s Steve Blake. Not Blake Griffin.
Wow
Stunning. I may now go and light myself on fire.
All jokes aside, I think over the past few games we’re seeing the issues on D minus Andrea too. He was doing a great job of hedging on P+R situations and jumping out on D.
That being said, small sample size, so we’ll see what happens when he returns.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 23, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather see
Bargnani get the tougher check on the night and see how quickly that last.
If I’m not mistaken last year Bargnani was one of the better bigs in terms of PPP allowed to.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 23, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, its not hard to guard someone who scores 6 points a game. As I said earlier, you can call him a PF all you want but defensively he is guarding centers most night.
There are other factors though
Think of how the team has been torched by bigs the last couple of games, Aldridge’s 30+ and 20+ and Jordan’s 16 and 15 coupled with Griffin’s 18 and 9. Andrea has to be guarded when he is on the floor. As a lot of this game is mental, I wouldn’t be surprised if Andrea’s not being in the lineup not only made it an easier night for these players physically but also mentally. On what team in the league is the best offensive player ALWAYS charged with keeping the opposing team’s best offensive player in check? Help defense by Andrea has traditionally been poor but any game I’ve watched he has bothered a few shots per game, his size is a factor on the defensive end even though it hasn’t been optimally applied in the past.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Jan 23, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA. And you think that Barney would have locked down Aldridge and Jordan? Jordan might have been a little more tired from having to defend someone like Barney but lets not go nuts and anoint Barney to 1st team NBA Defense here.
I would like to see the matchup with Aldrige
actually on both sides of the court. Hope you had a good lough
damned if you do...
everyone loved stats when they were negative, but now its excuses why they don’t mean anything.
its a small sample size, but he deserves credit for this years play, just needs to keep it up.
is anyone not glad hes suppose to be back tomorrow?
Of course he has played well (Small Sample Size, maybe we should just call it SSS) and he deserves credit but that doesn’t mean I trust he will keep it up all year. We can hope but I am preparing for the worst.
He’s played better in a handful of games to start the season, but I think we’re getting ahead of ourselves here. Let’s see him:
A. Get healthy
B. Continue the strong play over the course of the season (when he appeared to be regressing slightly prior to the injury)
C. Actually contribute to a winning team at some point
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 24, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
You guys sh*t on Bargnani for years
Now it’s hard to accept his play so you use qualifiers until he has a couple of bad games and it will be full scale attack again. The coach was the difference. Now Derozen needs a coach that can turn him around.
I would say the wait and see is warranted
as long as people are really willing to see what will be before their eyes.
One of Bargnani’s most ardent supporters saying the “wait and see is warranted”. Take note, fanboys…
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
if you bother to check
you will see I have kept this line of thinking for the whole year, you need to look elsewhere for people letting the superlatives fly
Not disagreeing with you at all, renato.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 24, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
no one is doubting
Bargnani has played well over the first11 games. Best stretch of his career bar none.
But Bargnani has 5 years of underachieving under his belt vs 11 games of trying. (Even within games its been pointed out that there is a discrepency between his first halves and his second halves… but atleast the effort is constant).
Just to be clear Bargnani was sh*t on because he played like sh#t. Now he’s not. Lets hope he keeps it up.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 24, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
I think any reasonable person would say 11 games is a small sample size compared with FIVE FULL SEASONS. But maybe that’s just me and my unreasonable level of bias towards Bargs.
A hot streak does not undo five seasons of sub-par play. But if he keeps playing at his current level and the advanced stats continue to support the idea that something has finally clicked for Bargs… hey, I’m happy to be wrong as a Raptors fan.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
That is where you come up short
This is not a hot streak. His has been productive irrespective of his shooting, that is why I am coutiously optimistic
Front court back court
Our frontcourt is brutal right now but help is on the way. JV and Andrea, yes the new Andrea, will be starting soon and they will be a huge upgrade over Amir and Ed.
It’s the backcourt that seems hopeless. Jose is solid, but DD is still slumping and there is no one else. Barnes and Kaponga? if we traded Barbossa for a late first rounder?
Things you do not want to read when discussing Demar's future
“Brandon Jennings — PG on our All-Lefty Team — is playing more efficiently than ever before.” from Marc Stein.
UGH.
Avery Bradley !!!!!
Did anyone catch Bradley last night against the Magic…..now thats playing defence !!! no five year learning curve required.
I got a huge LOL when he said in a post game interview that Jameer told him to quick playing such tight defence on him...
During the game, while pressuring him at half court…
“Please stop playing so hard!….” LMAO
"the Truth"

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