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3 in the Key - Raptors' Game-Day Preview vs Celtics

Slow vs slower. In a game which threatens to be the slowest paced game of the year, it'll be a battle between the Raptors and Celtics in Boston. With both teams at 4 wins, this could be a very important turning point for the Celtics who still have playoff and championship aspirations.

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I guess it's all about perspective.

The Raptors are sitting at 4-10 and I doubt anyone in Raptorland is losing any sleep over it. Between some really entertaining Andrea Bargnani Campaign Videos and the secure thought that this team will look drastically different at the beginning of next year, it's been more or less a comfortable ride. We know that coach Casey, for the most part, has the Raptors doing things that they need to do to be competitive in future years, we are finally get some decent production from our maligned first overall selection, and there are some pieces who continue to impress such as Amir Johnson.

Contrast this with the Boston Celtics.

At 4-8, the Celtics are searching for answers and contemplating their solid (yet aging) core. With Rondo being shopped around in the off season, both Big Baby Davis and Kendrick Perkins gone, there's no doubt that the Celtics time has come and gone.

That's not to say that the Raptors are in the same league.

It's becoming apparent though, that while the Raptors are good at countering their opponents, counter punching is a completely different story. It's going to be a running theme it seems, but the Raptors seem to be able to make the stops when needed, but are seldom able to finish cleanly on the fast break. Whether it's a personnel issue, or a coaching issue, it is something that I hope Dwane Casey pays more attention to in the future.

Likewise, I've been pretty unhappy with how the Raptors have been rebounding the ball after key stops. It seems that this team wants to leak out a lot of the time, but with how poor the fast break has been this year, I think all their attention needs to be focused on getting those rebounds, especially after they make the opposition take a contested shot at the end of the clock.

In tonight's game though, there are going to be smaller battles to take care of if the Raptors hope to come up on top of the rapidly declining Celtics

1) Finding consistent offense - You can't really blame the Raptors since both Andrea Bargnani and Jerryd Bayless are arguably the first options for both the starters and bench players, but there has to be slack picked up. Whether it's Amir Johnson, Ed Davis, Leandro Barbosa or (finally) DeMar DeRozan, the Raptors need someone to carry the weight throughout the game. Defense is fine, but that attention on the defensive end starts cracking when no one can buy a shot

2) Turnovers - We know the Raptors are horrible on their turnovers lately, but at the same time, the Celtics coming in are pretty bad in this category as well. What could make the difference is how effectively the Celtics can score off of turnovers thanks to a player like Rajon Rondo who has speed and finishing ability.

In order to win, the Raptors need to be much more efficient and effective since they don't have a player who is as affective as Rondo on the fast break.

3) Play to your age - The Raptors strength? Youth. As Danny Ainge put it when asked if the Celtics are looking "old", the statistics and the product on the court don't lie. And as a passing observer, it's not hard to see why. Their offensive rebounding has come down quite a bit and they are relying on players who are frankly, yet another year older.

Without having Jeff Green on the team, it means that the Celtics starting line up has an average age of 32 and a half. So the Raptors are going to need to run and dunk and pound the ball inside. Make the Celtics feel their age.

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Its too bad about Perk getting hurt 2 years ago in the Final as that could have been ring # 2 for a lot of these guys. I would trade everything we have for a chance to win one ring. Too bad its at least 5 years away and maybe more if BC blows this draft the way he has blown so many others since his arrival.

by McGateway on Jan 18, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

They Never Would Have There One Ring

If Billups hadn’t gone down and out. Celtics beat Pistons in EC Finals facing a Pistons team with rookie combo guard starting at PG.

Very questionable whether the Celtics would have beaten the Pistons in that series if Billups had been able to play.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

that's sports though....

Boston might of made the finals if Rondo didn’t lose an arm last year.

Sports on built on what ifs.

Common Budda, I expect better from you! Don’t stoop to that level.

Btw, anyone else hate KG these days? He seems to get more obnoxious the older he gets.

by Shalax23 on Jan 18, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

sports aren’t built on what ifs.

by Shalax23 on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

The Point Is

McGateway wrote


Its too bad about Perk getting hurt 2 years ago in the Final as that could have been ring # 2 for a lot of these guys

So I just added that if Billups hadn’t been hurt the Celtics may never have won in 2008-09.

Tit for Tat

I agree that injuries are part of sports and would never have made McGateway’s comment but I felt I needed to respond to his post with a Tit for Tat. LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

those who argue with a fool look like fools themselves.

jk gateway. haha. im just in a fantastic mood this morning.

by Shalax23 on Jan 18, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously

How much a year should Amir get paid to be a scorer as well as a very good defender and rebounder?

I would argue more than the $5.5 million he is getting paid.

Union members don’t do work beyond their pay scale and job description.

So not only is scoring not in Amir’s job description he also doesn’t get paid enough to do it LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

You could argue that point if you wish but we already saw signs that the Pistons were far from the elite team they had been. the difference was that the Celtics were up 3 games to 2 in the final when Perk went down so there was less doubt about whether the Celtics could win that series or not.

by McGateway on Jan 18, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You Might Be Correct On This and You Might Not Be Correct On This

that the Pistons wouldn’t have won the series even with a healthy Billups. However, I am not so sure that the Pistons were on the decline in 2007-08

Pistons were 59 – 23 that season compared to the Celtics 66 – 16

Billups averaged 15.2 PPG and 5.4 APG for that series and shot 39.4% from the field

The next season at Denver Billups averaged 20.6 and 6.8 for the Nuggets in the playoffs in a tougher conference and shot 45.7% from the field

So I say you may be correct and I may be correct that Boston would/would not have beaten the Pistons with a healthy Billups, Keep in mind that the Pistons only lost the last two games in the series by by four and eight points so It is possible that a healthy Billups would have made the difference.

source: BasketballReference.com

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely agree on #2 and 3, however, I still don’t think this group has any one individual that can carry the scoring load. If anything I think Jose has to be that person, but not for himself the whole team, getting everyone quality looks.

As much as #3, playing to our age is a key, we are not going to be pounding the rock inside. This group is last in fast break points and 4th last in points in the paint. Ironically this is a complete flip flop from last year 3rd in the NBA in points in the paint and 2nd in fast break points. As much as I’d love to see it I don’t know who will be running and dunking for us, or pounding the rock inside.

Turnovers will be the key or more precisely points off turnovers, if Boston has dead ball turnovers that won’t help us very much as Boston is still ranked top 9 in ppg allowed, while their opp fg% is higher than usually, we are definitely not an offensive juggernaut. Hopefully we can cause some live turnovers and get out and run, and if Amir could make KG into his own personal poster I would love it. Here’s hoping we see some more of this fire from Jose tonight….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=OvCyZB1n6lE&NR=1

by Shalax23 on Jan 18, 2012 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

D. SMith says ....

“Aaron Gray is expected to be back tonight, maybe he gets to go against Jermaine O’Neal …”

by Carl J on Jan 18, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Smith Hates Amir

Of all the Raptors writers he hates Amir more than of them including probably Arsenalist. Smith has been wanting the Raptors to get rid of Amir from almost the moment they acquired him.

I doubt that Gray starts ahead of Amir. Grey is not as strong as Amir and a lot slower and less talented.

Gray might be about 10 – 15 pounds heavier but I doubt he is stronger than Amir.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing with you ...

but I’ve never gotten the sense that D. Smith has hated Amir. In fact, I’ve never gotten the sense that he’s really hated any Raptor, at least while they’re on the team. He always seems to come up with excuses for the players, pretty much no matter who they are (like his comments on Butler and his shooting vs his defense).

And from that line I posted, I didn’t get the sense that Gray will start over Amir, just that Gray might get a chance to bang against O’Neil.

I will say, that I do think I remember Smith in the past saying something a few times about Amir coming off the bench instead of starting. But he may have had a reason for saying that, such as the 2nd unit needs him more for the energy

by Carl J on Jan 18, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I Don't Know Who Will Start

but I do know that Smith has never said anything good about Amir the whole time that Amir has been with the Raptors. Yes he may have grudgedly said one or two neutral things about Amir but that is it.’

Most of his Amir bashing comes in the form of today’s comment. Smith is a big Ed fanboy so I am pretty sure he was thinking that Gray would start with Ed and not with Amir.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Koreen Gives A Most Objective Explanation
BOSTON — Through their first 14 games, the Toronto Raptors have used just two different starting lineups. And the only change was caused by the injury to Andrea Bargnani. Jose Calderon, DeMar DeRozan, Rasual Butler and Amir Johnson have started every game. Bargnani has started every game he has been healthy for, with Ed Davis taking his place over the last three games.

That will likely change soon, perhaps as early as Wednesday night in Boston. Raptors coach Dwane Casey was playing it coy, but he said he was open to the idea.

"It’s always a possibility," Casey said. "When you lose five games in a row, change is good. To give a different look, that’s a possibility.

"It’s always a possibility: tonight, tomorrow night, the next night, always."

Davis and Butler would logically be the two guys most in danger of losing their jobs. Casey has praised Butler’s defence consistently, but he is shooting just 26% from the floor. Either James Johnson or Linas Kleiza could conceivably replace him. Davis has shown little progress from his rookie year, averaging just 5.0 points per game as a starter. However, he did have 11 rebounds and four blocks against the Hawks on Monday.

*
Aaron Gray could be a candidate to replace Davis, if Casey decides to go in that direction.

cont on link including comments about Amir’s banged up body

Moving Amir to PF for some games would help his body. LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

he shouldn't start JUST because

Gray hasn’t played in…well, at all.
I think spots needs to be earned.
Nobody is a bigger Gray fan than I…nobody, except his mom.
But still know what is right.
Gray needs to earn any position.
However, there is the possibility we are not seeing what is going on in practice.
maybe spots have been earned already.

by ppellico on Jan 18, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said (nor did Smith)

that Gray should start over Amir, at least right now.

I said that I think I remember Smith saying in the past (pre-season, last year, …) that Amir should come off of the bench for the second unit.

Gray needs to earn the starting role, unless the Amir has been playing like absolute crap, then maybe.

by Carl J on Jan 18, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He was replying to Buddhafan's post not yours Carl...

Buddha said

I doubt that Gray starts ahead of Amir. Grey is not as strong as Amir and a lot slower and less talented.

Gray might be about 10 – 15 pounds heavier but I doubt he is stronger than Amir.

by Buddahfan

But not one person said Gray would start over Amir, so I guess Buddha was just doubting for the sake of doubting… not anyone in particular…

Which come to think of it is perfectly regular Buddha-type behaviour…

Not that he’s wrong in this case, we all agree he likely won’t start over Amir, but the rest of us didn’t express it as a rebuttal…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 18, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

You need to go back and check what Doug Smith has written about Amir.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, I only read your drivel because it's here in this blog...

I am not going to go out in search of other nonsense to cause needless more frustration…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 18, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever

cheers

Done communicating on this and………….

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

no problem

but I think I understand Buddahfav….as I have this same love for Gray.
I watch games he is in and kind of get carried away with how HE is doing and forget the bigger picture.
I am not really sure what makes me get this way about certain players.

Maybe its the American way of rooting for underdogs that in OUR eyes are getting the short stick on things.
When we see this we kind of begin rooting for their getting even.

IF Buddahfan has this same emotional bind I have, then I fully understand his position. I go for the good guys…not the punks. Regardless of how good you are, regardless of your being a superstar, IF you are a punk, I will not root for you.
As a life-long Cub fan…even had tickets behind home plate in box seats, once they gave all that money to sammy Sosa…I gave it all away. The game has a purity. So I root for good guys and against the bad guys…

here is and OLD link from Gray’s early years as a Bull…I think his second.
It shows what a great big kid he is…you GOTTA root for thses nice guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eysw-jKvy60

by ppellico on Jan 18, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I Am An Amir Fanboy But Not A Blind One

I listed 9 of what I call weaknesses in his game a couple of days ago.

While I root for Amir I think I tend to be fairly objective except when it comes to his ability to score. I saw him do some great stuff on offense before the Pistons turned into a “screener”, “offensive rebounder” and “defender” only.

That is what they needed at the time and he was all too obliging (a weakness carried to an extreme which I think he does) to try and do so and drop his offense.

So I know he can do more on offense if given a decent chance to do it. Unfortunately he has become so good at setting screens and grabbing offensive rebounds that he is kind of stuck in that rut. It is really a shame because he could have become one hell of a player if the Pistons had encouraged him to be more offensive minded with the ball and not less when he was with them.

That is what happens in life. You become so good at something early on that people tend to mistakenly think that is all you can do and you wind up getting type cast. It also happened to Rodman. His first full season in the NBA he averaged 16 points per 36 minutes However, the Pistons wanted him to become a “defender”-“rebounder” and to forget about his offense. His points per 36 minutes went down each season after his first full season. He did manage to eventually get into the HOF but again he could have one hell of a complete player if he had been encouraged to do so.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Amir Doesn't Get Paid To Score - Casey "This Isn't A Democracy"

Scoring isn’t Amir’s job and after all the players as we know are in a union. The Raptors will have to play Amir more money if they want him to become a scorer. LOL

Scorers who can rebound and play defense make a lot more money than $5.5 million.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

while...

not many of us get paid 5.5 million to do jobs that are alot less fun.

Problem with no democracy, when your political parties leader isn’t around, civil war breaks out.

by Shalax23 on Jan 18, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Bargnani is the political leader on offence, when he goes down civil war breaks out.

DD, Davis, Butler, Barbosa and Kleiza all fighting for power. Its also like the US declared war on the Raptors. Low blow for ya there Budda.

by Shalax23 on Jan 18, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Uh'

What’s that guy in the pic doing here?

by renato on Jan 18, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Shalax23 said:

Bargnani is the political leader

He replaced the guy who resigned. LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Raptors SOS and SRS

SOS – Strength of Schedule
SRS – Simple Rating System

According to BasketballReference.com the Raptors have played the 22nd toughest schedule so far this season and are ranked 25th in the league just behind the Celtics who are ranked 24th

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting But I Don't See This Gaining Any Traction

Is Devin Harris an option for Toronto?

However, one never knows.

If there was a way to also get C.J. MIles then maybe we might something to talk about.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

While I don't mind the thought of bringing Harris in...

I would NOT replace Jose with him…

Side by side, starter sub, fine… but not one or the other…

I really take issue with half of the article…

Jose and Amir have a WAY better connection and effectiveness than the author thinks… Amir has some grip issues to get over but anybody who has ever watched Jose and Amir in a pick and roll knows exactly how awesome they are together…

He also says Jose can’t create shots, which is total BS…

Jose is one of the few Raptors who you can rely on to get a smart look as the clock ticks down…

He has a great range, a good handle and often gets open looks, he isn’t afraid to challenge bigs inside if the situation presents itself, and he makes smart plays to hit open guys / cutters…

The author needs to watch some Raptors basketball before he critiques it…

A healthy Jose is a serious baller and way more valuable than the author gives credit…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 18, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides isn’t Harris basically an after picture for Bayless? Bayless is not exactly rolling well with the team this year so its hard to say that Harris is the sure solution. Of course Harris is a much better option than Bayless but considering the monetary difference between the two, I would rather keep Bayless for now.

by McGateway on Jan 18, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically I see Harris as a more polished, finished version of Bayless...

But I agree with you, for the dollars and actually because he is “unfinished” I would still like to see Jerryd coached / groomed / matured into a better version of Harris…

Harris is what he is… Bayless I think still has more adaptability and room for improvement…

If we were in the middle of a playoff run, I would take Harris over Bayless… in our current state, stay the course…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 18, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

With comments like...

“…his team mates are not receiving easy looks despite his gaudy assist numbers.” I wouldn’t put too much stock into this author’s oppinion anyway. That’s kind of like saying someone isn’t a good rebounder, despite pulling down 10 boards a game.

by Posterized on Jan 18, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, exactly...

Last I checked our squad wasn’t the most talented at finishing ridiculously tough shots etc…

So those assists must be going to fairly easy completions by my reckoning…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 18, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe

that last year some article said something along those lines about Kevin Love, and how his rebounding is hurting his team’s rebounding.

by Carl J on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That is funny

I think sometimes people tend to get a little too analytical and start over thinking things in an effort to come up with an innovative way of looking at the game.

by Posterized on Jan 18, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Grip Issues

Tough to grip the ball good with a bandaged right hand and wrist. eh.

However he is working on it.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

This article should be "Is Jose Calderon an option for Utah?"

The author gave a few reason why Toronto could use a guy like Harris, but it was mostly about Utah needing a PG like Jose.

No way Jose, I’ll keep Calderon.

by Carl J on Jan 18, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Hold On Just A Minute

JJ is returning tonight and he is one of the Raptors top offensive threats LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I still would like to see an experiment of James Johnson posting up 4-5 times a game...

I’ve seen him make some really good moves, just needs a better finishing touch…

But he actually is quite competent in the post 90% into his move, it’s just the finish…

Which, I realize is 100% of the purpose of the post move, to finish… all I’m saying is the touch will come if the reps are given…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 18, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Reps can come in practice.

by dhackett1565 on Jan 18, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

In-game reps are definitely different from practice reps.

by HDave on Jan 18, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely – so when he is hitting at a 90% rate in practice, he can try in game.

by dhackett1565 on Jan 19, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Trial by fire...

When W’s have no real value, it’s all practice time…

Experimentation is the key to finding out what really works or not…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 19, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

JJ Posting Up

He is okay provided he doesn’t have to post up from more than two feet from the basket or can pin his man on post up and finish at the rim.

However, if he has to post up and shoot from more than two feet from the basket he make Reggie Evans look like Reggie Miller. LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not talking about fade aways and face up jumpers...

I am talking back to the basket post ups…

I’ve noticed him look really good the few times he’s been able to get low position, and then missed layups at the rim…

But he gets good looks, at the rim, if he can get the ball in the deep post…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 18, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

A Number Of Players Get Good Looks At The Rim

In fact if you read scouting reports one of the biggest critiques against a number of players is that they can’t finish at the rim.

JJ can’t shoot and his inability to finish at the rim is just one example of his woeful shooting ability.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Amir Playing Through Injuries and Averaging a Double-Double Over Last 8 Games
Amir Johnson: Amir Johnson playing through injuries
Amir Johnson – F/C – TOR – Jan. 18 – 2:59 pm et

Raptors coach Dwane Casey says that “Every limb on [Amir Johnson’s] body” is currently banged up.
Casey specifically mentioned Johnson’s wrist, knee and leg while also adding that Johnson has been “a warrior.” It doesn’t sound like he’s at any risk of missing games, which is positive news considering that he’s averaging 10.0 points and 9.9 rebounds in his last eight games.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Casey: DeRozan Must Work Harder To Receive Ball In Scoring Position
Raptors coach Dwane Casey preached that DeMar DeRozan has to do a lot of work earlier in a possession to get it in better spots and with more time on the shot clock.

"It’s work," Casey said. "You have to play on the offensive end with force as well as on the defensive end.
"Do it with force, you have to get down, get low, be strong, be aggressive and not let the guy get into your body, maintain leverage. There’s a lot of different things that come into play that he’s learning to do and, at the end, be ready to take a shot and make it.

by Buddahfan on Jan 18, 2012 6:52 PM EST reply actions  

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