Was Demar the right choice in the 2009 draft?
2008-09 Record: 33-49 (3rd Atlantic; 13th in the East)
Draft Pick: 9th
Key Free Agents:
Shawn Marion (unrestricted)
Anthony Parker (unrestricted)
How They Got Here:
It was thought that the Raptors had a chance to fight for a playoff spot heading into that season. They had a perennial All-Star in Chris Bosh, and the midseason trade of Jermaine O’Neal was supposed to free things up even more on the offensive end for head coach Jay Triano. It didn’t work. Toronto was in the middle of the NBA in field goal percentage but they lacked to offensive firepower needed to compete on a nightly basis. And with Shawn Marion and Anthony Parker both being unrestricted free agents Bryan Colangelo had his work cut out. The Raptors planed to negotiate a long-term deal with Bosh in the offseason, and if they found that he’s set on testing the market in 2010 they could’ve attempted to trade him (which.. well we got a first rounder -- ours back thankfully, and a barely used trade exemption).
What They Needed:
The feeling of many draft experts was that the 2009 class was especially weak (maybe the weakest since 2001) so it wasn’t going to be one of those "get rich quick" selections. In regards to the position of their draft pick, Toronto needed to look for a versatile perimeter player who could hold his own on both ends of the floor. If they lost both Marion and Parker, that was quite a bit to make up on the defensive end of the floor. If they did deal Bosh they’d better be sure to get a polished big man in return; outside of Blake Griffin you weren't going to find a guy like that in the lottery.
Who They Would Have Liked/On the Radar:
Tyreke Evans (Memphis) and Gerald Henderson (Duke; should he remain in the draft) were a pair of intriguing options on the perimeter. Henderson is the better defender but Evans is the more versatile of the two offensively. Toronto could also see James Harden (Arizona State) slip to them should too many teams higher in the order ignore his body of work and focus on his play in the NCAA Tournament instead.
Notables drafted behind Demar:
Tyler Hansborough
Jrue Holliday
Omri Cassipi
Jonas Jerebko
Although 2009 was projected to be a "weak" draft year, it managed to produce a variety of very serviceable players, especially point guards. Obviously a Brandon Jennings would look extremely nice as a #2 guard in T-dot, the big need coming off 08/09 was something on the perimeter. The only other options at that time would have been Hendo (Gerald Henderson) and T-Will (Terrance Williams) and I’d say neither have really excelled and is still behind DeMar in overall long term potential.
I think overall, especially in a poor draft year to draft the best talent out there vs drafting for need (which I think should be the case most of the time anyways), but a serviceable guard would have helped this years depth. Didn’t know much about DD going into that year’s draft and had my eggs in Hendo and Lawson’s basket at the 9 range. At least we didn’t land Hasheem!
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was Demar the right selection?
I don’t think so. I think he was drafted more for need and on ‘raw potential’ than anything else. Those are always the 2 most dangerous ways to draft. The Raps were in need of both a SG and athleticism (which was sorely missing prior to that) and I really believe thats why Demar was drafted. But teams in the lottery should draft the best player available, not based on need, and Toronto didn’t do that.
I also don’t think that draft turned out weak at all. Blake, Evans, Harden, Curry, Rubio, Lawson, Holiday… 3 potential superstars (Blake, Tyreke and Curry) and each of those other guys quite likely to be all-stars at some point in time? Thats a pretty nice draft class.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM EST reply actions
A Lot Of VG PG drafted After DeMar
10 Milwaukee Brandon Jennings
11 New Jersey Terrence Williams
12 Charlotte Gerald Henderson
13 Indiana Tyler Hansbrough
14 Phoenix Earl Clark.
15 Detroit Austin Daye
16 Chicago James Johnson
17 Philadelphia Jrue Holiday
18 *Minnesota Ty Lawson
19 Atlanta Jeff Teague
20 Utah ric Maynor
21 New Orleans Darren Collison 6-1
22 *Portland Victor Claver (who is he? LOL)
23 *Sacramento Omri Casspi
24 *Dallas J Mullens
25 *Oklahoma Cty Rodrigue Beaubois
26 *Chicago Taj Gibson
27 *Memphis DeMarre Carroll
28 *Minnesota Wayne Ellington
29 *New York Toney Douglas – He is more of a combo guard
30 Cleveland Christian Eyenga
Of course there is no way to tell if the Raptors had drafted a PG rather than DeMar or even Hansbrough etc what there subsequent player moves would have been.
Would Henderson or Daye have been a better pick for SG? Hard to say except Daye is definitely a better shooter.
Jrue
too bad we didn’t draft Jrue or Lawson. or Collison
New Coach, New System
This combo always is hard to work out in the first year. Demar will make a comeback after he adjusts himself to the new system. I still think Demar is a solid choice, but if I had to pick someone else, it would probably be Ty Lawson. He’s extremely quick and is producing some solid results out in Denver. We could use a guy like that. We probably would have packaged Jose and Bargnani away to acquire some other talent though.
DD was a huge gamble
He had the athletics to be a franchise player. The reason he slipped so much was he was so raw in skill. BC was taking a gamble with the 9th pick (one that typically produces a journeyman/bench player) and hoping to hit the jackpot if he got lucky. So far, it looks like he’s ending up with a journeyman/bench player after all.
Say What?
9th pick (one that typically produces a journeyman/bench player)
Of the 12 players picked 9th in the NBA draft since 2000 7 are starters, one a part time starter and 4 wipe outs. In other words over the last 12 drafts the 9th pick has yielded 8 starters 4 wipe outs and zero journeyman.
Some Players Picked 9th
2011 – Kemba Walker – Starting for the Bobcats
2010 – Gordon Hayward – Starting for the Jazz
2009 – DeRozan – Starting for the Raptors
2008 – D.J. Augustin – Starting for the Bobcats
2007 – Joakim Noah – Starting for the Bulls
2004 – Andre Igoudala – Starting for the 76es + has a gold medal
2002 – Amare Stoudemire – Starting for the Knicks and All-Star
2000 – Joel Przybilla – Part time starter – Started 377 out of his 553 NBA games
So during this century
I take it back
9th pick overall typically lands you a very good player, a role starter, or nothing (and perhaps roughly the same chance of each outcome). So far, role starter is a good description for DD.
How’s that?
not quite right
to say he looks like a journeyman bench player when he is starting on a team as a 21 year old doesn’t seem correct. The book is still out on Demar, he could go either way. He could be a journeyman bench player or he could be a good starter in this league. A franchise player seems a stretch, but my point is nobody knows yet.
Oh I agree the book is still out
And DD is still young and developing. It’s just that I’m increasingly thinking that the holes in his game and his wild inconsistency means that his likely outcome is not a star or impact player. I still think that he can and will be a useful role player.
Gerald Henderson
I remember at the time there was much debate about whether Demar or Gerald Henderson would be the best selection. People argued that Demar’s upside was much greater. That his athleticism was no where near Geralds. Though Gerald played 4 years of school, had an outside shot and seemed more polished. I have caught a few games on NBA TV and it appears Gerald to me was the better pick. At the time I was on the Demar bandwagon, maybe caught up a bit too much in the highlight videos on youtube. Gerald is your typical Duke player. Well coached, great fundamentals, high basketball IQ and maybe slightly less athletic. He doesn’t have Kobe upside and would have been the less riskier pick.
by VancouverIslandRapsFan on Jan 19, 2012 1:57 AM EST reply actions
He was drafted the same year but is two years older than DeMar, and if he’s the better player now (yeah probably) it’s not by much. When DeMar is 24 he’ll be outplaying Henderson. I don’t have the numbers to back this up so take it with a grain of salt, but it seems like a lot of promising young players are struggling this year. Whether that’s because of more frequent games, less practice time or shortened training camps i’m not sure but DeMar isn’t alone.
He was the right choice at the time but in hindsight maybe Lawson would have been better
If we can get a scoring SF who is at least an average to good defender then having DD at SG won’t be a problem. The problem we have right now is we expected him to be a top tier scorer and adequate defender but he isn’t (yet) and it’s handicapping the team a little.
Given the chance tho, I’d replace him with a guy like Jeremy Lamb if MKG and Barness are off the board. Replace him as in move him to SF and have Lamb be the new SG. If we draft Barnes I think we’ll be ok on the wing and if we draft MKG I think we’ll need to find a SG who can score because MKG won’t score in the NBA the same way he does in the NCAA; MKG is not a scoring wing but more of a hustle, rebounding, scrappy, defensive stopper kind of wing. (at this point anyway keeping in mind he’s only 18).
I see MKG more as a Scottie Pippen than MJ. I think thats the type of comparison you were going for. While he won’t be an elite scorer int he NBA he can impact the game in a lot of ways, and play any style of basketball.
I'm a MKG fan, but Barnes is more polished
It bodes well for players to stay an extra year in college, in my opinion.
Pippen like
Scottie was an elite player and if Kidd-G is compared to him, who do you compare Barnes to? MJ?
If Kidd-G is like Pippen then he would be a great selection. If Barnes is like MJ, we will forever regret it unless we get him. I doubt either player will reach those heights but I sure hope we get one of those two guys and they do warrant the comparison.
OK for the draft
If you look at the list of players available in the draft, perhspa Jennings is the only one that you can argue for, given what had happened since. I do not think it is a bad choice overall for DeRozen. Somehow his development is slow and personally I think he has now got a bit of attitude problem on this team. In other words, I believe DeRozen is loafing out there. He is no longer out there banging away, trying to score points and to get the rebounds as feverishly as he used to. This shows up in the statistics in recent trends. Unless there is an unknown injury, DeRozen has deteriorated and needs a wake up call urgently.
trade Jose for Fields and Shumpert
Then Fields can push DD for playing time and challenge him.
Shumpert becomes are PG of the future.
JV is our centre going forward.
Barnes, Kidd-G or Perry Jones is our future 3.
DD and or Fields at the 2
and AB at the 4
Amir, Ed, Bayless, (DD or Fields), JJ, Gray and Linas give us a solid young bench.
BTW, I ove Jose and when NY falls apart and this team is in the hunt for a ring, we try and bring him back as a backup PG. He’s great and I love his effort and play. It is hard to trade him but he’s one of the only players we have that we can expect a good return for.

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