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Tip-In: "All The Small Things" - Raptors Battle Pacers but Can't Close Out Win

A tough loss to the Pacers yet again. This time, Toronto just couldn't get the little things right...players and coaches. The HQ takes a look at the L, and previews tonight's match against Derrick Rose and the Bulls.

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Even coaches make rookie mistakes.

In a season full of learning, last night's 95 to 90 loss to the Indiana Pacers was hopefully equal to taking a big bite out of the "we'll know better for next time" apple.

Or pizza.

Or some kind of food filled with brain synapse activating nutrients.

Because while the Toronto Raptors hung tough with a much more talented Pacers squad, it was various errors in key moments that made what should have been an upset win, instead, a tough-to-swallow loss.

And yes, as noted, this includes Toronto coach Dwane Casey.

For those who missed it, with the Raps down by three and about 20 seconds left in the contest, Casey subbed big man Jamaal Magloire in for Amir Johnson, as Amir had just picked up his sixth foul. The idea was to use Magloire to prevent easy Indiana rebounds on the defensive end, an issue the Raps were having since about half.

However with the Raptors looking for a quick two, or open three to extend the match, the Pacers fouled Magloire, sending him to the free-throw line instead.

How did this scenario end up?

A bit like this:


Now obviously even if Magloire had hit both thanks to some magic basketball fairy dust, Toronto still would have had to foul the Pacers, hope whoever they fouled missed at least one shot, gone back down the court...

...you get the idea.

But Magloire, a career 64 per cent shooter from the charity stripe, quickly removed any further strategy from fans' minds with the two misses.

Should Magloire have been in the game in that situation?

It's a tough call.

The team needed help on the glass, but perhaps a small-ball line-up of Davis, Kleiza and James Johnson would have worked better, with Johnson compensating at the 3 for the smallish 4 and 5 options. All are better free-throw shooters than Magloire, and then maybe the Raps have some continued life.

That being said, none are exactly Ray Allen's from the stripe either, so there' s no guarantee this plan would have worked.

And Toronto's horrendous overall foul shooting with the game on the line, didn't exactly help matters.

But even without going small, post-game Casey acknowledged that he at least should have ensured Magloire didn't have the ball in his hands at that time:

"I take full blame for that," Casey said. "I should not have had him handling the ball. I should have had Ed Davis at the top."

Unfortunately even if Casey takes the blame for this portion of the match, he can't for numerous other errors.

The reason Jamaal Magloire was in the game at all in that situation, is because Amir Johnson fouled out, yet Amir's sixth foul only occurred because the Raps allowed the Pacers to grab an offensive rebound off a missed David West free-throw. One proper box-out would have potentially changed everything.

Suddenly then it's only a one-point Raptors' deficit, and Amir, not Magloire is in during crunch time.

Or let's go back before that?

With the game tied, the Dinos did an excellent job on a defensive set, denying numerous first options the Pacers were looking for. However late in the clock, they got David West the ball one-on-one against Amir Johnson, and instead of forcing West into Ed Davis and the help D, Amir got a bit too close, playing D with his hands as opposed to feet, and said foul sent West to the line, starting this whole end-of-game fiasco.

Really the point is that this game was riddled with these little errors and miscues from the Raptors, and as a team usually heading into match with a major talent deficit compared to their opponents, this is huge. There's just very, very, very, very little margin for error for the 2011-12 Toronto Raptors. and arguable less minus Andrea Bargnani.

Some may point to the fact that without Bargs, the Raps played a much better "team" game and hey, nearly beat a very good Pacers club.

But I wouldn't be able to agree.

Sure, DeMar DeRozan had his best game offensively in ages, finishing with 23 points, but the bulk of his baskets weren't because the team was now playing a completely different pro-DeMar style, minus Andrea. Looking at the advanced box score from last night's game, his shot selection was pretty similar to his season average. He simply made a lot more of the shots that he did take, and was much more aggressive in terms of getting to the free-throw line.

DeRozan actually took more long range shots last night than he usually does (although he missed all four of this 3-point attempts) but I could find no correlation between his rise in play and a lack of Andrea Bargnani.

Instead, I saw many situations where Bargnani was missed, especially, defending the screen-and-rolls run by Indiana PG Darren Collison. Ed Davis was late to get out on various occasions, resulting in open looks for the Pacers, or easy forays to the hoop. On one such play, Davis had his back completely turned to the ball, and the Indiana ball-handler headed right to the hoop for an easy uncontested two.

These are the types of things that are bound to happen with young teams trying to learn a new system, and adjusting to the loss of their top player.

And we may see more tonight against the Bulls.

Chicago is coming off an impressive 88 to 79 win over the Boston Celtics, and now sit at 11 and 2 on the season, good for top spot in the league.

Derrick Rose returned to score 25 points and dish out seven assists after a one game "turf toe" related break, and if the Dinos want to have a hope in hell of getting this W, that's where they need to start their preparations.

1) Contain Derrick Rose: Easier said than done right? Rose is having another All-Star season for the Bulls and is leading them to what looks like a certain Eastern Conference Finals. However he's not immune to a good team defense. In losses, Rose is shooting only 34 per cent from the field and as the Atlanta Hawks showed in their win over the Bulls on Jan 7, if you force the ball out of his hands and make other Bulls beat you, you've got a shot at a W. Rose attempted only 10 shots that match, and the Hawks used a combination of defenders and double-teams to get the rock away from him. Jose Calderon is not likely the guy to do that so perhaps Casey plays Calderon at the 2 defensively, guarding the much more offensively inept Ronnie Brewer, while giving the assignment on D to a Rasual Butler or DeMar DeRozan. DeRozan though for all his offense last night, struggled on D against folks like Paul George, and will need a much better effort this evening if he's taking on Rose.

2) Put Points on the Board: The Raptors are still doing a pretty good job on D. It's not the top D in the league, but the 20th best defensive rating, their current mark, is still miles ahead of 30th last year. Unfortunately they're playing THE best defensive team in the league tonight in Chicago, so something's gotta give, and for me, it's the either side of the ball that deserves more attention. Toronto is the the third worst scoring team in the league averaging 88 points per game. Considering the Bulls are holding opponents to 85...well...you do the math.

Minus Bargs, the Raps got a boost from DeMar and Leandro Barbosa last night, but they need more production from guys like James Johnson, Rasual Butler and Linas Kleiza...yep, the same old swing position woes. However I liked what I saw from Gary Forbes last night, even in limited minutes, so I'm hoping for a larger dose tonight.

More important though to me than just having guys knock down shots, is ensuring guys get to the free-throw line. We discussed last night's issues, and one big advantage Toronto could have this evening is if they can find a way to parade to the charity stripe, something they've been extremely bad at all season.

3) Rebound the Ball: The Bulls don't just defend, they also make sure when you do miss, you don't get a second kick at the can. They lead the league in rebounds per game and are voracious on the glass. Toronto is a solid rebounding group on its own, but if they can find a way to get easy second looks, it would do wonders for the club, especially on a night when a back-to-back may wreak havoc on their jump shots.

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“the Raps allowed the Pacers to grab an offensive rebound off a missed David West free-throw. One proper box-out would have potentially changed everything.”

I actually very much disagree with this. That missed shot ended up bouncing hard off the back of the rim and turned into a long rebound. Long rebounds, specifically off of FTs, tend to be advantageous for the offense as the defenders inside are unfortunately out of position. It was more a bad bounce than anything.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 14, 2012 10:53 AM EST reply actions  

It was long, but if you watch the replay, the Raps did a bad job of getting positioning even so.

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by Adam Francis on Jan 14, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Tonight will be a treat for Raptors fans

I’ve watched nearly every Bulls game this season and they’re playing some of the best TEAM basketball I’ve seen in years. They move the ball unselfishly on offense with absolute precision. Add to that, they are on an absolute string defensively. It really is impressive to watch. They don’t play like an “NBA” team. The sense of the self being subjugated for the betterment of the team slaps you in the face when you watch the Bulls. It really is something special to watch.

I chalk this up to two things. First, this is one of the best coached teams in the league. For those who don’t think Coaching matters in the NBA, I challenge you to think of this team being coached by Vinny DelNegro. Big difference. Second, this team is one of the best assembly of “parts” in the league. The role definition is rock solid. While Miami may have more talent in the Big three, the Bulls hierarchy has military precision, which allows them to play so well as a team.

Ahh and then there’s Derrick Rose. Rose is in my mind, the best closer in the game right now. What he has done to teams in the 4th quarter is awe inspiring. If anyone has the chance, watch the last 9 minutes of the 4th quarter of the Boston/Chicago game last night. Just brilliant guard play from Rose.The best part of it is, his team KNOWS he’s their closer and they all feed off of that by getting in positions to receive passes from him as he basically is the offense in the closing minutes. It really is, well,… beautiful to watch.

by MAS11 on Jan 14, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Treat For Those Who Love To See The Raptors Lose

I enjoy watching Chicago play except when they play the Raptors and Clippers.

Why. That is because at those times I come to my senses and remember I hate everything about Chicago except the Blackhawks. (Became a Blackhawk fan growing up in Buffalo. The Blackhawks were the parent team of the Buffalo minor league hockey team)

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

totally agree

and that’s why I hope they win the champioship this year.

they do lack a reliable starting SG, and I still have doubts about Boozer’s contribution but their team defence is easily the best in the league, and Derrick Rose…well he’s Derrick Rose.

by TFC Academy on Jan 14, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

anyone but the Heat

yep I’m one of those heat haters

Clips are fun to watch but still a few pieces away from being a contender.

by TFC Academy on Jan 14, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't Agree On Clippers

The are a contender already.

Their starting unit is as good as there is in the NBA and they have a pretty solid bench recently significantly bolstered by the addition of Reggie. LOL

C. Butler is playing outstanding and had a very good all around game in the Clippers win over the Heat this season.

As Billups gets used to playing with CP3 and both of them get used to playing with Blake, DJ and Butler their offense and defense is only going to continue to improve.

In addition they have their third all-star PG M. Williams leading the bench that includes Reggie among others.

Clippers and Heat in the Finals

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Clippers lack a proper wing stopper and their back court could use a little more size especially come playoff time. Right now I don’t see them as contenders but they defintely have a great platform for the future.

It will be Lakers and Bulls in the Finals :)

by TFC Academy on Jan 14, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong

Butler is a more than adequate defender at the SF.

He was defending Lebron one on one most of the last Wed game. Held Lebron to 7 – 19 and 23 points. Lebron is shooting 58% from the field on the season and averaging 30 PPG

Watch more Clippers games

1. CP3 – 2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)

2. Billups

2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)

Billups is a little short to play the #2 however his experience, basketball IQ and strength more than make up for his lack of height.

Clippers and Heat in Finals

Clippers are going to wipe the Staples court tonight with the Lakers butts.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know, saw a lot of issues with the Heat offense last night in their loss to Denver.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 14, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

By The Way

Caron had 20 points Wed only three less than James.

How many other SF in the league when matched up one on one with Lebron will be outscored by three points in the game?

Matt Barnes? RFLMAO

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

well Deshawn Stevenson

outscored lebron in game 4 last year, just saying one game doesn’t necessarily mean that much.

btw I’m not a Lakers fan by any means and actually have sympathy for the Clippers, I just don’t think they’re there yet. Maybe they’ll prove me wrong during playoffs!

by TFC Academy on Jan 14, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The Clippers Don't Need Anyone's Symphathy

Stevenson didn’t start in that game. Marion did.

Stevenson and Marion both played 25 minutes in that game.

Giving all the credit to Stevenson is just not correct.

Plus you ignoring Casey’s impact on that.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

even better

both Marion and Stevenson outscored Lebron, so both did better than Butler!

joking man, of course these stats don’t tell much and in the same way Clippers got a nice win against Miami, but that doesn’t make them contenders.

clearly we have a different opinion, no big deal, can I ask you if you think Del Negro can lead a team to the championship? Cause I don’t.

by TFC Academy on Jan 14, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

A Lot Of Clippers Fans Are Not Too Enamored With VDN

for a number of reasons.

Just to be clear, I have never said the Clippers will win the championship. Just because they beat the Heat at home I don’t think that they will be the Heat when meet in June.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Blake has been overrated. NO back-to-the-basket game. Faces up, dribbles through his legs, jerks around, then shoots a fade-away.

Need more than that in the playoffs.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 14, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Please Watch A Few More Clippers Games

Blake has one of the best post up back to basket series of moves in the game.

See here for just one example

Also see here.

Watch the entire video

I think the majority of his post moves are step back or fall away jump shots but he does have the other post moves also.

Its not like he is Jonas. Blake is not that tall for a low post player and his arms aren’t that long. He also gets heavy rotational double teaming when he posts up and goes forward rather than straight up for a shot.

However he has the full package of shots with his right hand. He does need to work on his left hand though.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The Loss Last Night Was The Most Depressing For Me

since the Raptors lost to Chicago and missed making the playoffs in 2010.

I am still depressed this morning over this loss.

The Raptors should have won this game. It was an upset there for the taking. The end started when Amir missed the free throw on the and and one with about 30 seconds to go. The Raptors never scored again.

I hate losing and the way they lost last night was just depressing.

Done ranting on this.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

I take a different approach, hard not being positive

You know I have to sit back and look at the big picture and like what I see. Solid play from our big three, Bargs, Amir, and Jose. All signed for next year or longer. Three young kids, Davis, Derozan, and James Johnson, who are getting better, and I am willing to give them this season to grow, all signed for next year or longer. Add two players who have shown they can play at an NBA level, Kleiza and Bayless, also ours for at least next year.
Barbosa, Butler, Forbes, Magloire, Carter, Gray and Butler salaries will be shed. Money to entice talent to come to TO.
Thats some promise going in to next season. Throw in what should be a good young talent in Jonas V., at least a bottom 8 draft pick, a year of Coach Casey’s plan under the core’s belt, and money to maneuver for Colangelo to regain the Legomaster title.
Thats why losse last night don’t phase me, they actually please me. It was a hard fought loss against an improved team. A good effort rewarded with a step closer to the lottery. I hope we sit Barg’s for a few more games, let Ed take his lumps and let this team continue with its growing pains

by Tinmann on Jan 14, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I take a different approach, hard not being positive

Thanks for informing us of your approach.

In case you didn’t understand my post, I was talking about my feelings not my approach.

I have no idea why last nights game didn’t bother you. Could it be that you don’t care if the Raptors win this season or want them to lose?

Sorry I don’t follow that line of thinking.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

What I am saying

is that close, hard fought losses are the best thing that can happen to this club. A low lottery pick in this years draft could definately swing the pendulum to our favour.

I am not a fan of stinkers like we played against the Nets, Wizards and Sixers but accept those losses as a bitter pill to make us better.

Hey all I am saying is looking at my preseason’s goals we are probably ahead of my goals, while after this upcoming stretch, maintaining our low lottery status. Win-win situation when looking at my long term goal of this team.
Things are going ahead of plan- at least for now..

by Tinmann on Jan 14, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It Seems Amir Doesn't Agree With You About Last Night
IamAmirJohnson Amir Johnson
#NP Lauryn Hill- I gotta find peace of mind
16 hours ago

IamAmirJohnson Amir Johnson
Tough one! So much effort and hard work in 2nights game but came up empty handed..gotta keep working! #poundtherock
17 hours ago

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference is Tinmann is talking about what's best for the franchise...

You’re talking about what’s best for the Players…

Winning is best for players confidence and morale…

Overachieving and coming up dry in the lottery puts us a step back of where we could be…

Let me ask you this, which players on the current roster are a guaranteed no-trade player?

I would argue none… this means the overall approach should be to do what’s best for the Franchise and not worry as much about the individual feelings of players who may or may not be a part of the future…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 14, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 14, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I am talking about feelings plain and simple. Nothing more and nothing less. Nothing too complicated here.

Amir also tweeted about feelings.

Tinman is talking about ideas or a philosophical approach.

Apples to oranges.

Most men have a lot of difficulty recognizing feelings even when hit in the face by them.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares WHAT you're talking about?

Tinmann wasn’t talking about Amir’s “feelings”… you responded to his post that Amir disagreed with him, then you say you are talking about “feelings”… Well he wasn’t, you stated that yourself, so obviously your comment is completely unrelated to his…

Try actually staying on conversation and not just posting stodgy, argumentative crap in an attempt to seem like you are more in touch with the life of the NBA player and their plight…

Like I said before, you’re such an ASS…

Your BS is harder to take on this sight than any number of years of losing and Bargs bashing and Euro Bashing and Bosh bashing and WHOEVER bitching…

Your posts are pompous, arrogant, hostile and argumentative…

Become a decent member of the community or move on if you’re so damned miserable… sheesh…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 14, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

For all of the fancy words that you used ...

I’m shocked that you misspeeled “site” ;)

by Carl J on Jan 14, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I shall properly speel everything in future…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 14, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It Was My Post

You replied to my post so it makes sense to stay on topic which in this case was obviously how I felt about the loss.

This game was winnable as late as up to 30 seconds remaining in the game. They lost because of a mistake by Casey, which he admits and Amir’s play in the last 30 seconds. It was a difficult loss to accept.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow - you get a lot from that tweet?

he doesn’t sound like he’s about to jump off a bridge – tough losses make you stronger.

Seems to have the right attitude – keep up the hard work Amir – the results are showing.

by Tinmann on Jan 14, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Raptors Are 12.5 Dogs in Chicago Tonight

Sounds about right but this game could get ugly early.

No way the Raptors can even come close to being competitive with Amir getting in foul trouble again and playing under 30 minutes.

I find it a bit curious that in most of the games Amir’s minutes seem to be around the 28 minute level not varying to much from those minutes on a game by game basis. Casey said at the beginning of the season that he and his coaching staff were going to monitor Amir and Linas’s minutes per game.

I wonder if Amir is being limited to under 30 mpg. I say this after Bargnani incurred an injury that could have been due to muscle fatigue from playing too many minutes per game in this season’s compressed schedule.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

BALL TO JAMAAL! BALL TO JAMAAL!

Bring on the balls! (ping pong that is)

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 14, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is a double-double machine with top gear motor...

I am definitely keeping my eye on his season!

I love Barnes, who may have more talent, but MKG has more heart and hustle…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 14, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Tennessee - Did You Say TN?

Even Memphis kicked their butts by 18 the last time the two teams met on Jan 4th.

MKG is definitely one of the top prospects but to hype his performance against TN shows a bit of a fanboy mentality.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Who he scored them was irrelevant except for to indicate which game I was referring to...

Buddha, you’re an ass, you love being an ass, and you will forever be an ass…

And last I checked whether they won or lost, by little or lots, is a team issue…

In case you failed to read and comprehend MY post, I was talking about an individual effort…

You know who I am a fanboy of? Anybody else who would love for you to shut up and get lost…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 14, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you on MKG

He’s not the pure shooter that Barnes is but I think he will be the better all around player. He’s a better rebounder, defender and attacks the rim more (thus the higher shooting % despite not being as good a shooter). He’s a year younger and already has an nba body.

If anyone wants to criticize quality of opponent, they went heads up earlier and MKG completely outplayed Barnes.

And the great thing is that it likely won’t take a top 3 pick to get him. The draft this year is loaded with bigs . DX has him as the 2nd wing being drafted (behind Barnes) but not going until 8th.

by cmrm123 on Jan 14, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Buddah you have no idea what you're talking about

Did you watch TENN play? You DO realize that this is a completely different team with Stokes right? And that was his FIRST game for TENN, with only four practices?

TENN is no slouch and MGK was awesome again. Unlike Mr. Jones…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 14, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

And furthermore, if performance against a top caliber oponent is an issue, I point to MKG’s 20+ pt 20 rebound game against Louiseville who were ranked #3 in the nation at the time. It’s not like he’s played one good game this season…

by MAS11 on Jan 14, 2012 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That Is A More Valid Game To Measure MKG's Ability

I like his game I just don’t think you can hype it by using TN as KY’s opponent.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

its coming

those folks ……….are my readers

by Tinmann on Jan 14, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

What Jonas Means to Davis

With Jonas seemingly destined for greatness (or at least “goodness”) where does this leave Davis?
Right now he doesn’t seem big or rugged enough to back up Jonas at the 5, or mobile or offensively skilled enough to back up Bargnani at the 4.
If we get a Power Forward in the draft, Davis is further out to Sea…
Hopefully Ed goes on a good run and we get an opportunity to sell high and nab something solid at either guard or small forward via a trade, otherwise he could end up withering away on the bench next year.
Trading Davis would hurt us short term but would be the most logical thing to do to prepare for next year.

by 1CANONLYHOPE on Jan 14, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

I doubt

we go with a PF in the draft. Small forward or shooting guard.Unless a PG steps up.

by Tinmann on Jan 14, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Lithuanias Sure Do Grow Up To Become Strong - LOL



Žydrūnas Savickas (born July 15, 1975 in Biržai, Lithuania) is a professional strongman and is widely considered one of the all-time greatest athletes in the history of the sport.2 Zydrunas is the only modern strongman competitor to have won every major modern strongman competition, most notably the Arnold Strongman Classic on six consecutive occasions, the IFSA World Championship twice, Fortissimus in 2009, and is a 2 time World’s Strongest Man champion in 2009 & 2010.2 Zydrunas placed 2nd at the 2011 World’s Strongest Man competition, losing the title to American Brian Shaw. He stands 1.91 m (6 ft 3 in) and competes at 170 kg (375 lb).3

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Forbes To Back Up Jose Again at PG

Gray is close to retuning. Andrea’s injury is not as bad as feared. Bayless remains in Toronto no date set for his return

Source @RyanWolstat

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

MKG vs Banes

Barnes has a better body for the SF position and a more clearly defined style while MKG moves better with much better ball handling and rebounding skills. Close call but MKG is begining to overtake Barnes on my board.What I like ab Barnes tho is u know what ur getting while MKG seems like an unfinished prdouct

by Member29 on Jan 14, 2012 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

I would add that Barnes is a better shooter.

His game translates better into become a serious big time scorer in the NBA. MKG is like an upgraded version of a younger version of Damion James.

by Buddahfan on Jan 14, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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