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Tip-In: Believing in Bargnani


Andrea Bargnani has put up his fair share of points over his NBA career, but this is the first season that the former number one overall pick is living up to his lofty draft status...

Star-divide

"Ok, let's start with Darko."

Nope.

"How about a more mobile guy like Derrick Williams."

No go.

"Perhaps a more experienced and gritty defender...Tolliver, you're up."

Nothing.

"Anthony Randolph?"

"I give up."

Minnesota Timberwolves' coach Rick Adelman's thought process regarding the defense of Andrea Bargnani may have gone something like that last night.

Because no matter who the Wolves threw at Bargs, they were powerless in terms of keeping the seven-footer in check.

Bargs of course scored 31 points, helping to propel the Dinos to a 97 to 87 win over Adelman's Wolves, but strictly highlighting the 31 though would be a disservice to his play last night. Even mentioning the nine rebounds, an anomaly for Andrea, or any other box score stat, isn't enough.

You really have to go back and watch the game.

You have to see how Bargs truly dictated the Wolves' defensive scheme, how he determined when double-teams came, and how he refused to defer to others in key moments.

This was the Andrea Bargnani I've been waiting five years for.

Sure, he hit on only 11 of his 25 shots, but a few of these misses were "beat the clock" attempts, and others were open looks that just didn't go down. Compare his shot selection last night to well, almost any game last season and there's a huge difference; Andrea wasn't taking contested 20-footers here, he was making the right decision with the ball on pretty much every single play.

A look at his shot chart last night backs this up.

Of his 25 shots, six were at the rim, five of which he made.

Historically, he's attempted about half of that number, with the bulk of his looks coming of course from a much longer range.

Some of this has to do with the presence of Chris Bosh earlier in Andrea's career of course, but even last season sans-Bosh, Bargnani was only attempting 3.6 shots near the cup, despite having mismatches on most nights.

And really, the shots at the rim last night as well as the team-high nine free-throw attempts (he leads the team in this category by a huge margin - DeMar DeRozan is second with only 3.3 attempts per game) are only part of the puzzle that is Andrea Bargnani.

There was never any doubting the skill level of the former number one overall pick. Very rarely have we seen a seven foot player who possessed Andrea's combination of quickness, shooting touch and ball-handling ability.

No, it was instead those consistent questions regarding effort, heart, desire, and those other adjectives basketball media and fans love to throw around when examining the contributions of supposed star players. You watched Andrea play, saw glimpses of the "talent" part of his game, but very rarely saw the consistent application of said adjectives, which is partly what made him such a frustrating figure for Raptors' fans.

Last night though you were left with no such questions as there was Bargs, fighting tooth and nail in the paint, attacking over and over again, and as the National Post's Eric Koreen noted this morning, at last playing at a level that out-paced his box score contribution, the opposite of what his career had indicated to this point.

That's why despite Amir Johnson's MVP show last night, Andrea Bargnani's performance was more important to me.

We've always known that Amir could be a key contributor to a winning team thanks to his rebounding, shot-blocking, defence and hustle. He reinforced this last night with an unreal 19 points and 11 rebounds in addition to holding Kevin Love to an atrocious 3 of 16 shooting from the field.

But I was convinced that Andrea Bargnani, unless used in some sixth man role, was not such an integral piece, let alone an effective one.

Every advanced stat and piece of anecdotal evidence backed this up, but Andrea's play so far this season has given me reason to think, no hope, that I was wrong.

Now, we're talking about a player that not only is putting points on the board, but doing it in an efficient manner, contributing at both ends of the court.

And the advanced statistics are suddenly pointing in his favour.

Bargnani's sporting a PER of 23.5 but also has the highest true shooting percentage, effective field goal percentage, rebounding percentage, assist percentage, and offensive and defensive ratings of his career.

Can he keep this up?

That's really the million dollar question and many folks during the game noted via Twitter that after five years of disappointment, they were going to give this a few more months before firmly entrenching themselves on the "il Mago bandwagon."

I can't blame them, but I'm a little more ready to make the leap.

His play last night and in most games this season reminded me a lot of the year that Chris Bosh finally "got it;" you could just see that he finally understood that the opposing team could do little to prevent his attack, and that he was the key player for his club.

The best example of this came on a somewhat broken play late in the third quarter. With the clock winding down, Andrea popped back up to the top of the key demanding the ball. Sensing the team in disarray, he took the rock and decisively drove past his defender into the gut of the Minnesota D, causing it to converge on him. He promptly then kicked it out to DeMar DeRozan for an open look, resulting in a Toronto score.

It was a simple play, but one that didn't require multiple jab steps and head fakes, and that in the end didn't result in a 20-foot contested jump shot.

It was to me a sign that perhaps the light had finally come on, and that Andrea Bargnani was finally ready to shed his beleaguered past.

I hope that's the case.

While I was never an advocate of the Chris Bosh-Andrea Bargnani combination, a pairing of THIS version of Bargs with the likes of Ed Davis, Amir Johnson and Jonas Valanciunas is admittedly intriguing.

I'm going to come back to consistency though, because to really convince myself and the rest of Raptors' nation that he's ready to be a key piece on a winning team, he needs to continue this current level of play for more than nine games.

Sure there will be off nights, that happens to even the Lebron's of the league.

But overall we should see commanding efforts like last night's if we're to believe in the rebirth of Andrea.

I'm not expecting the second-coming of Dirk Nowitzki here either. The bar for me will never be that high for Bargnani, and that's just fine. I'm talking about simply having a player who consistently makes positive contributions towards helping his team win, going so far as to be a dominant offensive force in games.

He's never going to be Dwight Howard or even the aforementioned Love.

But an efficient scorer who becomes a top option offensively for a very good basketball team?

That hardly looks out of the question right now, and it's up to Andrea Bargnani over these next 57 games to provide us with the proof in the proverbial pudding.

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Well Written With A True Bargnani Fanboy Fervor

No knocking it. Just noting.

Anyway I think your piece may lend a little more understanding to why Casey is telling everyone including his NBA coaching buddies that Andrea is an all-star this season.

I for one hopes he keeps it up and even gets better. Not just because it will make the Raptors better but I would hate to think that Amir could become the goto Big on the Raptors team. LOL

Amir has been doing such a good job on defense that is where I want him to keep his main focus. If he picks up some good scoring games like last night that is great but to tell the truth I would rather see DeMar be the second best if the best scorer in each of the Raptors games.

When Amir more than doubles DeMar’s points scored in a game it makes me a bit nervous about the Raptors offense. LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks Buddah – and indeed, it’s going to be interesting to see how DeMar develops over the next month or so. Bargs is in the spotlight now, with others like Amir and Jose getting a piece of the limelight, and deservedly so.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree about Amir

His points generally come in the flow of the game, not from set plays (other than PnRs with Jose). If Amir is averaging 10-12 points a game then that is plenty to keep the opposition defence honest and keep the Raptors offence running smoothly.

by DW19 on Jan 10, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Though as an Amir Fanboy I would like to see him get it up to 15 PPG. I just want at least three other Raptors players to average more than that per game.

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

15 should be a cakewalk for DD at this point…hoping he gets it together.

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by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If you isolate on last nites game

What specifically is it that Dirk would have done different from what Bargnani did?

by raptball on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Except it’s not about just one game.

by HDave on Jan 10, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Really the point of the piece is that this is the first time I’ve been legitimately encouraged by his game…his ALL-AROUND game. But we need to see it for the entire season. Only then can you start talking Dirk, etc.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What a change of tone

What makes me hopeful is that while the effort on D is just up to him (so if he has it, he can keep bringing it) this last game (and the previous) were examples of games where AB could not make a shot to save his life and he still made 31 points. The Andrea of the previous 3 games would have made 40. What I am trying to say is that while each player production can fluctuate, it seems like the lower bound of that range is getting already at excellence level.
Dirk Comparison, if made in terms of accomplishments, the comparison does not even start, if you start the watch at the beginning of the year, are you sure they are that far apart?

by renato on Jan 10, 2012 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

I asked about Dirk

because I don’t see where Dirk is that much better than Bargnani yet the classic statement is “he is no Dirk” Why? I suspect it is just opion rather than fact.

by raptball on Jan 10, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

is this

seriously starting again? The circle that is Bargnani

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

And he’s still got a ways to go on D. There was one moment last night where Barea scored in the paint, and Bargs was just kinda standing there watching. But his overall attitude towards mixing it up in the paint and helping on D is much better, and that’s the big first step.

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by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Consistency

Dirk has played at an outstanding level for over a decade. Andrea has played at a “similar” level for 9 games. Some day in the future that comparison might become valid, but for now it still is not.

by DW19 on Jan 10, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Moreover, to add to your list

They started with Kevin Love and reverted to Darko after two possessions (and after AB abused him)

by renato on Jan 10, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions  

+1

On every you wrote there Adam.

I don’t want to sound too hokey, but it really does seem as though Andrea is playing with a fire, enthusiasm, and enjoyment the likes of which we have ever seen. It’s very much like the process we saw Bosh go through leading up to his best seasons in a Raptor’s jersey. There are still arguments to be had on Andrea’s technical abilities on the defense end of the floor, but his lack of interest in defense is seemingly a moot point now – which is awesome.

I think a lot of this transformation is down to a fear of having to play elsewhere in the NBA since I believe that Andrea truley loves playing in Toronto and living here and in Canada. Is that not the kind of guy we want to keep around for the long term? Obviously at the right amount of money, and I think the market will dictate that if Andrea makes it to free agency. If he becomes a FA we’ll see what other clubs are willing to pay him, and it seems likely that if we match that offer he would opt to stay. Really though, his performances this year… have been worth every penny, no?

I think Andrea is finally figuring out who he can be as a player and what his potential is, and it’s a lot of fun to watch.

Primo pasta and sauce all round!

Formerly known as timboslice85

by Rebrand_the_Raps on Jan 10, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions  

Bargnani Was Never Tight With Bosh

He is however tight with Amir who is tight with most of the Raptors players. LOL

I am not using tight like it may be defined in the Urban Dictionary. LOL

Bargnani appears to be having a good time on the court and truly enjoying himself. I don’t recall having seen that before this year.

I also think that moving him to PF has made a big difference in his attitude. It appears I was wrong on that one. Wasn’t the first time and for sure won’t be the last time that I am wrong about something. LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

The mannerisms are there for sure – you can see it even in the locker room and on the court. I think that’s another sign of coming into his own – feeling a certain passion towards winning and being “the guy.” To me there’s a big confidence thing wrapped up in the puzzle that is Bargs, and this season he’s just got a different swagger to his game.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Prior to this season, Bargnani typically looked depressed to be playing basketball for a living...

As if it were just something he was doing because it fit his body…

This season he looks like his paycheck is a nice cherry on top of getting to dominate regularly…

P.S. For all of those who say Bargs needs to improve defensively before he is considered an All Star… I ask you to examine exhibits Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudamire…

Besides, nobody plays defence at an All Star game anyways!!!

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jan 10, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Besides, nobody plays defence at an All Star game anyways!!!

LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Solid line

And unfortunately so true.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Defence is the difference Carmelo and LeBron or Stoudamire and Duncan.

Bargnani can probably reach the Carmelo/Stoudamire level of performance (ie dominant offensively and reasonable defensively), but it would be a bit of a miracle if he surpassed that level. Who knows.

by DW19 on Jan 10, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha! When was the last time Anthony or Stoudemire were “reasonable” defensively? Of course, up until this season, the same could be said of Bargs. Even now he is only just “reasonable.”

by dhackett1565 on Jan 10, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially this season – watched some of that Knicks-Bobcats game last night post Raps…ugh. Knicks did not deserve to get that W.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s promising that the Raps are no longer getting destroyed in the paint and guys like Luke Harangody aren’t lighting them up for career highs. With Bargs no longer serving as a complete liability defensively, his increased efficiency on offence means a little more.

But the sample size remains way too small for me to jump on the Bargnani Fanboy Wagon yet…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 10, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

This was definitely the most pro-Bargs comment by D-Stance ever…I’m taking a screen shot.

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by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This comment will go down as the TSN turning point on D-Stance’s journey to become a Bargnani fanboy.

Careful, D-Stance, it’s a slippery slope ;)

by dhackett1565 on Jan 10, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Careful, D-Stance, it’s a slippery slope ;)

LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 10, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry To Hear That

That is how my favorite all time rock and roll drummer John Henry (Bonham) died. What a waste

It still sickens me when I watch videos of the way too many great 60s and 70s rock stars who died so young.

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Sample size

A total turnaround in a year. He has gone from being a high volume scorer with no D at all, to an average defender and an excellent offensive player. Yes, I said excellent (so far this year).

It also may be a small sample size but the samples have been great and lead me to believe it has nothing to do with luck or a few more shots falling but instead he has improved his game in tangible ways that will continue to pay off. And his defence is much better. I thought guys after 5 years in the league couldn’t improve much? So far this season, Andrea is proving us wrong and I for one am very happy about it.

by defensive rap on Jan 10, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

For me what makes the nine games mean more than any other small sample size (because let’s face it, it IS a small sample), is the general attitude I’m seeing on the court. I’m hoping that’s the bigger indicator of continuity, but we’ll see.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The improvement in Bargnani’s attitude is definitely an important difference compared to any previous season.

by DW19 on Jan 10, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Andrea's improvement

I agree the biggest difference with the team this year is that the attitude is much improved. I also think it was crucial for this to be our first step and I am loving it, although it may cost us a high draft pick. The culture of the team has changed and their attitude is much better.

But Andrea has done more than improve his attitude. He has improved his game on both ends of the floor.

Defence
1. he is moving his feet more and getting into better position
2. he is hedging out on high pick and rolls much better
3. being more aggressive to get rebounds (this one might be attitude)
4. he is doing things more correctly on the Defensive side of the floor

Offence
1. more decisive
2. passes more
3. goes inside more
4. 1+2+3 = more efficient

So for Andrea it’s not just trying harder with a new attitude. He’s also technically and mentally improved, which is fantastic for the Toronto Raptors and their fans.

But the attitude adjustment was the most important stamp that Casey needed to establish coming in and no one could have expected it to happen so quickly and naturally. And very few people outside of Andrea’s immediate family expected him to play this well this year.

by defensive rap on Jan 10, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Losing Weight Has Helped His Game

Right now he looks physically similar to Jonas, LOL

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

hello

if we actually had some legit other defenders and scorers with bargs can you imagine this team. I am going to be patient, I do like where we are at and its to early to judge…. I also want to point out how funny it is now that all the euro thrashers we had on this site have disappeared. What happened to all those big talkers about how we trade for euros who are soft and have no heart. well Calderon and bargs have been the most consistent, throw in an american with amir and those are big three this year. The rest of the team mostly americans are useless so why cant we hate on them?! just a thought! if they are European we have too but since they are American, we cant say they are soft and to American!

by demarD on Jan 10, 2012 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah the Euro vs American thing was always dumb. There are soft American players just like there are soft European and foreign players.

But to your original point, it’s intriguing to think of some rotation of Bargs, Valanciunas, Davis and Amir Johnson, paired with another lottery pick and hopefully an ever-improving DeMar DeRozan.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And a competent FA

possibly no Westbrook, I have had one experience of of a Mee-Jay – Calderon thing already

by renato on Jan 10, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya blanket statements that Eruos are soft etc. are dumb. However, there was a legitimate argument to make that up until this year, this organization was pre-disposed to playing and paying European players unnecessarily (and seeking them out in the first place). The pre-mature Bargnani contract extension and undeserved playing time etc. were testaments to this. Even Colangelo himself indicated that he did so purposefully as he wrongheadedly thought “American players don’t want to play in T.O.”.

The last thing a team wants to do is create a perception that a team favors players of a specific origin.

by MAS11 on Jan 10, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

"American players don’t want to play in T.O."

Obviously winning helps, but it is also a matter of finding players with the right attitude. Plenty of Americans have enjoyed playing in Toronto. On the current squad, I particularly like the attitude of Amir Johnson in this regard.

On the flip side of this, I am sure you could find Europeans that would not want to play in Toronto. After spending his career in the friendly climates of Orlando and Phoenix, I don’t think you would find Gortat jumping for joy if he got traded to Toronto(obviously, this is just a speculative example). Even Bargnani (who is applying for Canadian citizenship) admitted that he would prefer to play somewhere warm if he got traded.

Lastly, I’d say that this year’s best Raptors (in terms of performance to date) have been Calderon, Amir and Bargnani. All have shown a good attitude towards playing in Toronto, as has DeRozan, who will be in that group if he can be more consistent. Valanciunas, looks like another loyal team first guy. If this year’s draft pick is of a similar mindset, I think Toronto will have a nice group of players going forward, with a pretty low likelihood of off-court drama or complaints.

by DW19 on Jan 11, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Doug Smith Gets It Right - Amazing
The usual Raptors fare and debating Barry Larkin a bit

Who cares?

Not him, as he told his personal chronicler, the Lovely and Talented Adriana, after the game:

"I’m not worried. If I can’t do it now that I’m still young, when can I do it."

Fine attitude, actually. Yes, it’s going to be tough to get back up to full speed tonight and maybe it’ll be harder on Wednesday but the kid’s only 26 and it’s not like he had to fly commercial coach and stay in some fleabag motel overnight without the massage therapists, trainers and nutrionists to help him out.

And if you’re Dwane Casey – or any coach worth his pricey Windowpane suit and per diem – you coach every game to win and who cares about tomorrow? Would it have been better and cut Bargnani to, say, 38 minutes and lose and still have to lay Tuesday and Wednesday? I say go for it every night and see what happens; maybe someone else steps up Tuesday and Bargnani only has to play 36 minutes.

Take your shot when you get your shot. That’s the way to do things.

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Adam:

When I entered “Amir Johnson” in Google Alerts your story came up. LOL

It also came up when I entered “Andrea Bargnani”

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Solid!

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Who Does Andrea Bargnani Think He Is? Dirk?

Posted by Clint Peterson on Tuesday, January 10, 2012

While most of the basketball world is just now taking notice of Toronto Raptors’ forward and former overall number one draft pick Andrea Bargnani, his real breakthrough came midway in the 2009-10 season when he would find his stride on offense and finally begin pulling down a few rebounds each game. This was when the whispers of "Hey, maybe this guy’s not a complete bust after all" began to make their way into the backs of minds and bottoms of message boards.

Finally freed from the constraints of competing with Chris Bosh for touches Bargnani would explode offensively the following year in between bouts with the dreaded injury bug — none serious, but all annoying. And he’s off to all new heights this season.

We’re talking about 23.0 PPG on .517 from the floor, 6.3 rebounds, 2.6 assists, and maybe only 0.5 steals and 0.6 blocks, but also only 1.9 turnovers, with an advanced stats .612 TS% and 14.2 AST% on a 28.2% usage rate good for .213 win shares per-48 minutes.

Wait. That was Dirk last year. Let’s try that again, shall we?

more on link above

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

So the takeaway...

From an advanced stats perspective, Bargnani has started this season playing at the same level as Dirk did during his championship season.

I love the advanced stats – so if he can maintain this level of play throughout the year, I’ll be impressed. Never thought I would say that about Bargs. Although I’m laying a lot of the credit at the feet of Dwane Casey.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 10, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to – as I tweeted last night, when was the last time you saw a jump in play like this, so late in a player’s career?

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 10, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Does He Play For The Maple Leafs? LOL

I know he plays for the Blue Jays, however I don’t really follow baseball much except for the Tigers, my first #1 sports team. I don’t even follow them that closely. Like I couldn’t tell you who any of their top 10 prospects are other than J. Turner.

Other than that and watching some Dodger and Angels game occasionally baseball is not on my radar.

So what is the deal with Bautista? I have read he hits a few home runs and know he plays for the Blue Jays but that is it.

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Bautista

29 years old, been in the majors for years and the most hrs he ever hit in a season was 16.

At 29 yeas old he hit 54 hrs in a year and wins the MVP and leads the league.
The next year he led the majors in homers again for a second time in a row.

by defensive rap on Jan 10, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Really and Congressman Waxman Has Never Done a Clemens On Him?

Maybe because Bautista doesn’t play for a U.S. team eh

You have to admit that such a jump in power at that age is very unusual. I have read that he still continues to get his high share of Home Runs.

Not I am not saying that Buatista has ever cheated. Heaven forbid that I should say that, but that sudden power jump at his age does seem a bit strange.

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I've read ....

It’s less to do with a jump in power (if any), and more to do with his swing and timing. There’s been quite a few articles written about him, and what the batting coaches have done with him.

The guy is pretty good at hitting the ball, and he picks the pitches to swing for

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/mlb/bluejays/article/1023377—jays-hitting-coach-schools-star-reporter-on-how-to-hit-home-runs
“As a coach, he’s credited with helping Jose Bautista find the golden touch in his swing. Under Murphy’s guidance, Bautista went from hitting 13 dingers in 2009 to a league-leading 54 last season. He leads the majors with 31 at the all-star break.

Murphy became a better coach than he was a player by breaking things down to build them back up. It’s true of person and technique. He sets you off-guard with his jovial but pointed jabs, and rebuilds your technique by taking the game back to tee-ball."

by Carl J on Jan 10, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball and basketball are completely different though. Guys take longer to develop in baseball whereas you can usually tell what a baller is going to give you within a few seasons.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 10, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

But for Jose Bautista

The key was that he got a new perspective on hitting from his new coaches.

Hopefully, Bargnani has a new perspective on playing basketball from his new coaches.

by siggian on Jan 10, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Bautista

He actually didn’t win the MVP that year, even though he probably should have… Josh Hamilton won

by superAD on Jan 11, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

If he keeps up this production, efficiency and at least effort on defense (actually was impressed by his hedging effort on screen and rolls last night) then even I would be impressed. You have to wonder what was holding him back because this is an absolute turnaround from his entire career to date. You have to wonder if Colangelo slowed his progress by codlling him and force feeding him through his minion Jay Triano… However, having said all that, I can’t get all in as yet. Need to see this play sustained over at least half if not a full season. Just so much evidence in the past that we will see a regression to the mean. I hope that’s not the case!

by MAS11 on Jan 10, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait. That was Dirk last year.

But that’s comparing one player who’s probably slowly regressing a bit (all of his stats, except FG% and TOs were down last year) vs one player we’re hoping to progress.

Also, is it just me, or does Andrea look like he’s uncoordinated when he drives, especially when he goes for a layup (and more so when it’s a reverse)? Where as Dirk seems to have more coordination and control? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t care how Andrea scores a bucket, as long as he makes them.

by Carl J on Jan 10, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Buddah's links

make the 9-5 bearable <3

by HDave on Jan 10, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Here Is Another - O/T - I Swear The Guy Is From Another Universe
Sick: Kobe’s wrist injury should have led to surgery and three months of rehabilitation

Monday, January 9, 2012 – 9:50pm
According to Adrian Wojnarowski

from Yahoo! Sports:

With those torn ligaments in his right wrist – an injury that should’ve required surgery and three months of rehabilitation – Bryant is forever one collision from serious seasonal consequences. When he fails to keep the wrist moving during a game, it will swell significantly. That’s why he’s always making that shooting motion with his wrist on the sidelines in down moments. His personal trainer, Tim Grover, says simply: "I’ve never seen anyone do what Kobe’s doing right now."

It’s near impossible to play with torn ligaments in your shooting wrist, never mind play well

.

The last four games he has averaged over 30 PPG and almost made it four in a row in the Lakers last game. He is actually jumping again like he when was 25.

I have been sitting there and watching in amazement what he is doing despite this injury.

The guy is the most amazing basketball player I have ever seen with all due respect to Michael.

I swear Kobe is from another universe.

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

I have never seen any NBA player compete as hard as Kobe does except for maybe Isiah Thomas.

His 25 point 3rd quarter-sprained ankle-NBA Finals 1988 vs. Los Angeles Lakers performance was the most amazing performance I have ever seen in one quarter in a NBA Finals series when you consider he did it on a sprained ankle

Watch the ankle sprain happen and then see what he does after.

video highlights here

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Isiah Thomas

IMO, this has to go down as one of the greatest playoff (or even a regular game) performances of all time.

Via ESPN:
“Few can forget the sight of Thomas doggedly hopping up and down the court in the third quarter of Game 6, when he finished off a 25-point outburst with a driving lay-up despite a sprained ankle. And not enough people remember the crazy four-point play he banked in a moment earlier. The Pistons nearly upset L.A. for the crown.”

Btw, ESPN ranks it #36

by Carl J on Jan 10, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

ESPN Has Always Had A Strong Anymous Toward Zeke

The hated him because he played with Laimbeer and because the Bad Boys finally beat ESPN’s beloved Celtics and in the process moved above them for the next few years.

The Pistons should have won that series. They lost game #6 which they should have won and with it the title. The only reason the Lakers won game #6 is because of that clearly bogus foul called on Laimbeer against Kareem which wound up giving the Lakers the win in game #6. Lakers then went on to win game #7 and the title.

I saw that play live and Laimbeer wasn’t within two feet of Kareem when they called that foul on Laimbeer. One of the worst Finals calls I have ever seen given how it wound up giving the game to the Lakers and eventually allowed them to win the title that year.

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Basketball Karma Came Through For The Pistons The Next Season

as both Magic and Byron Scott went down for the Finals and the Pistons had no problem wining the title in 1989. But that bogus foul call still ticks me off even after 20+ years.

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Laimbeer

Think of how many times Bill did foul Kareem in that game and it wasn’t called. I agree with you the call sucked but it is a number of reasons that caused Detroit to lose, not just that one call.

Was it a TSN turning point, perhaps. It was a brutal call but Bill was a master of playing dirty and not getting caught. Maybe his reputation cost them the series. Maybe the ref had seen enough video of Bill’s dirty play that he assumed something that wasn’t there?

by defensive rap on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

True

However he was not the dirtiest player in the league. Stockton and Parish to say nothing of Michael Cooper and Ainge were worse than Laimbeer. Laimbeer did a lot of stuff but I don’t recall him ever intentionally hurting another player though there were probably a number of occasion when that might have occurred. The other guys I mentioned above were worse then him.

Besides that is no excuse for the bogus call. The right way to have done it would have been to call the sheet that Laimbeer was doing and not the sheet that he wasn’t.

by Buddahfan on Jan 10, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Laimbeer was dirty

He was Karl Malone dirty with less ability. He tried to hurt, not foul and that is where I don’t want to follow his lead or that Detroit team with Rodman and Mahorn. Amir is tough, but he’s not dirty and I prefer his style of play.

Reminds me of Ben Wallace with more Offence but less D. Still, in a similar mould. I love it.

With all the HD cameras and attention to video it is harder and harder for players to get away with dirty play. Jerry Sloan played in an era where dirty play was part of the game. Now guards aren’t even allowed to hand check.

The bogus call was a bad call and nothing justifies it. There were many bad calls in that series.

Laimbeer was one of the dirtiest players ever. There were no players who were much dirtier than Bill. There were some players as dirty, but very few. Currently there are no players in the league as dirty as Bill Laimbeer.

by defensive rap on Jan 10, 2012 3:19 PM EST reply actions  

Getting over the AB stigma

.. I think we’ve got to eventually move on from AB expectation (at least regarding his defence and rebounds). The sooner we do that, the more we’ll be able to enjoy basketball/raps. He is who he is, neither a superstar nor a bust. I know he’s been one of the most divisive players in Raps history, and I was never in either camp (hater or fanboi).

If we compare results with his draft year, he may not have been the consensus overall 1 pick, but it’d be very hard to say it was a bust, considering Roy’s career is done. It’s also questionable how much better this team would exactly be with Aldrige. We could have also easily landed Adam Morrison, and where would this franchise have been in that case?

And if we’re comparing expectations vs $$, AB isn’t paid as a super elite. He’s making money in the range of:

Stephen Jackson
Richard Jefferson
Luis Scola
Corey Maggette
Monta Ellis
Way below David Lee & Joakim Noah

all guys who are specialized talent with major holes in their games.

The sooner we get off of whether AB is a saviour or the dead weight, the sooner we can focus on adding other pieces.

by Ustation on Jan 10, 2012 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Bargs passing tests

I wondered how Bargnani would come back after adversity and a couple beatings fit the bill.
Also feels like he took the advice we’ve all been screaming at the tv – if the shots not falling, take it to the rim. I felt like he couldn’t get the looks he wanted against NJ and his percentage dipped in Philly and made a concerted effort to start against minny with high percentage shots. Probably coaches were on him to do that as well. Great to see.

On a side note, does Casey’s style remind anyone of Sam mitchel? Would Smitch not be proud of what we’re seeing out of Andrea and Jose so far this season?

by axl t on Jan 10, 2012 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

DING DING DING DING!!!

Have to agree with you on the Mitchel statement. I’d put dollars to doughnuts that Mitchell would have gotten more out of Bargnani sooner that Jay Triano ever could. That’s why I maintain that Mitchel’s termination was one of a host of cack-ups by Colangelo. Mitchell held Bargnani accountable and wouldn’t let him loaft. Colangelo was more interested in protecting his reputation (vis-a-vis his drafting of Bargnani) and impatient with a now obvious necessary process. Bargnani is obviously a guy that constantly needs a kick in the but. Casey is the coach to do that. Can’t remember what game it was, but there was a sequence where Bargnani reverted to his old ways defensively (blowing coverages and not rotating) and Casey balled him out. We saw a subsequent improvement from Bargnani.

by MAS11 on Jan 10, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to admit, I was one of the many clamoring ’ fire Sam’ because i wanted to see bargnani play but I pretty quickly realized how wrong i was.

Though I agree about the kick in the butt thing, I think language barrier and poor teaching of fundamentals by the Italian system were just as big in Bargnani’s snail-paced growth. He just wasn’t ready.

I think Casey is more even keeled than Smitch though… Hoping it’s the right coach at the right time.

by axl t on Jan 10, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

No Mitchel fan here

What an arogant below average coach

by raptball on Jan 11, 2012 6:58 AM EST reply actions  

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