The Value of Reggie Evans
by Adam Francis on Jul 18, 2011 9:01 AM EDT
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The HQ discusses the likelihood of Reggie Evans' return next season...
And we're back.
Sort of.
The last week or so has been a myriad of work travel, friends' wedding events, and even an attempt at getting in some vacation time.
So it feels good to get back in a Raptor-state of mind.
Again...well...kind of.
Usually around this time of the year NBA fans begin to enter a bit of a dead zone as Summer League has concluded, the free agent signing period has calmed down, and teams begin to put the "gone fishing" sign up for the next while.
This year though with the lock-out in full effect, the dead zone seems that much more deafening in terms of the NBA-wide silence it's brought forth.
However at some point this work stoppage will reach its conclusion and therefore I figured we'll soldier on in preparation for when that time comes. The past two weeks we took a look at free agent options for the Raptors by position, and this week I thought we'd look at Toronto's own free agents, and if any of the bunch are worth retaining. Names like Reggie Evans, Julian Wright and Joey Dorsey all were options in terms of being retained, however the question is, "does retaining any of these names make sense?"
This morning I thought we'd start with a look at Mr. Reggie Evans.
Evans is a 31 year old vet of 8 NBA seasons, including stops in Seattle, Denver, Philly and Toronto.
His career averages hardly leap out at you (4.3 points, 6.9 rebounds, 0.6 assists), and his PER has consistently been below the league average of 15. (He's got an average PER of 11.6 over his career.)
Factor in his salary last year of $5.1M and at face value, it's hard to see why a team would want to employ the former University of Iowa banger.
However we Raptors' fans know better.
Evans, when healthy, was a beast on the glass, averaging nearly 12 rebounds a game for the Dinos last season helping to result in a wins produced metric of 5.3, one of the best marks on the team. Considering the club won only 22 games, this means that Reggie was accountable for nearly a quarter of them himself, a staggering mark when you factor in that he played in only 30 matches.
Based on this, Wages of Wins actually calculated his value this coming season as $5.86M, meaning Reggie would be getting a raise at 31.
The question then I put to everyone this morning is, "does it make sense to bring Reggie Evans back?"
At five and half million or so, I don't think so, for three main reasons.
For starters, and as we recently identified, the Raptors are only working with about $7M under the current CBA. Re-signing Reggie for the amount Wins Produced says he's worth would eat into nearly that whole piece.
That's fine if the team was getting a starting caliber option, but a 31-year old player with extremely limited offensive ability?
That's a bit rich for my blood.
As well, it's quite possible that Reggie's value from a rebounding standpoint is inflated.
An article during this past playoffs by SB Nation's Tom Ziller points out that having a great offensive rebounding club doesn't necessarily make for a successful one. NBA coaches have been moving away from emphasizing the offensive rebound as a weapon, looking more to get stops in transition and emphasize team D. Very few of the league's top defensive teams last year were juggernauts on the offensive glass, something backed up by Toronto's 11.8 mark, eighth best in the NBA.
Yet as we know, their D...not so great.
And if Reggie had played 75 to 80 games instead of 30, I'm not so sure we'd see much of a difference in this respect.
After all, the Minnesota Timberwolves finished with the league's best offensive rebounding mark thanks to Mr. Kevin Love, yet finished in the basement record-wise thanks to yes, some horrific D.
Considering the need by the Dinos to shore things up in this respect, paying Reggie essentially the mid-level doesn't make a ton of sense.
Second, Reggie's strength and position are duplicated by two of the roster's most promising young players, Ed Davis and Amir Johnson. These two produced another 12.6 wins for Toronto last year, and need more touches going forward.
And finally health and history have to factor in as well.
Reggie's has played in only 29 games on average the past two seasons, has never played in 82, and it's doubtful at 31 that he's suddenly going to convert into some ironman.
No, as much as Reggie is a true fan favourite for Toronto, I think the Raps will have to move on here.
That is unless they can get him on the cheap.
If Evans is available for a veteran-ish $1.4 - $2M or so, what guys like Big Z, Eddie House and Matt Barnes made last year, then this changes everything. After all, we're still talking about someone with one of the most ridiculous rebounding abilities of all time, and an underrated passer on top of that.
How ridiculous a rebounder was Evans last year for Toronto?
His rebounding rate was 25.6.
Dwight Howard's best rate ever was 22, in the 2009-10 season.
He might not be able to do a lot of different things, but the one thing he does well, he simply does better than nearly anyone else in the league.
Factor in his leadership traits and locker-room presence, and suddenly you've got someone that for the right price, makes a great option off the pine next season.
However I don't expect to see Reggie back in a Raptors' jersey when the 2011-12 season finally gets underway. Players with his toughness and rebounding ability are always in demand, and I expect some team to out-bid Toronto for his services.
It's a shame because on a young and developing team, one with a new coach who likely wants his team to play more akin to Mr. Evans, retaining Reggie would be a great move.
Unfortunately I don't think the price will be right, and that means a lot less 22 rebound individual efforts...
...not to mention quotes about "killing bags of Skittles..."
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Good Summary of Evans
Though ISTM that his rebounding rate was a bit inflated playing next to Bargnani. After all we need to remember that Evans job with the Raptors last season was to be Bargnani’s rebounding caddy.
I agree that Evans would be a good deal at the Vets Minimum whatever that that will be, and assuming that the new CBA even has a Vets Minimum exception, however there may be a better use for the money in a trade etc.
Evans came to camp last season in probably one of the best conditions of his NBA career having lost a lot of weight from the prior season. With the start date of the next NBA season totally unknown, though the NBA will be releasing its 2011-12 schedule shortly, I wonder what kind of shape Reggie will be in come the opening of the next NBA training camp especially if there is a work stoppage.
Conclusion:
Worth keeping on the radar as a possible free agent signee.
History repeating itself
I guess if you would compare Reggie with any former Raptor, one of the first to come to mind is JYD.
Energy player, limited in talent. Had to work hard for every minute he got. Loved by the fans.
Boy did we overpay him, though. Ended up hurting the team, not by his effort but by his contract.
I think this is a good example where the stat guru’s go wrong. No-one will offer him a $5 million deal – isn’t next year’s season in all likelyhood cancelled because of contracts like such?
That being said, if his price tag is $1.5 – $2 million than make every effort to keep him. He was one of the lone bright spots last season.
JYD Had A More Complete Game and Competed A Lot Harder
Though I will say that Evans showed more energy last season than he did the year before and last season extended his effort beyond just rebounding.
Sorry, I think that comparing Evans injury shortened seasons with no productivity other than rebounding to JYD is an insult to JYD.
JMO
I think a lot of people do overrate JYD’s game.
However, he was almost certainly a better all-around contributor than Reggie.
Over JYD’s 3 full years with the club, he played on average 69 games, posted a PER of 15.3, a TS% of .530, a TRB% of 15.1, an AST% of 7.1, a STL% of 2.7, a BLK% of 0.8, and a TOV% of 13.7. He also posted a WS/48 of 0.128. He had a net +5.5 point per 100 possessions effect on the team on-court versus off-court (most of the improvement was on the defensive side of the ball).
Over Reggie’s two years with the club, he’s averaged 29 games, a 11.9 PER, a TS% of 0.482, a TRB% of 22.8, an AST% of 5.1, a STL% of 2.1, a BLK% of 0.8, and a TOV% of 20.2. He also posted only a WS/48 of 0.06. He had a net -3.9 points per 100 possessions effect on the team – when he was on the floor, the team allowed 2.6 more points and scored 1.3 less points per 100 possessions.
To a degree, their teammates would have impacted these stats, but they pretty much ALL (outside of rebounding) show that JYD was a more effective overall player.
by dhackett1565 on Jul 18, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta be honest
really don’t have the time or inclination to dig for stats. I just watched the games. We overpaid for him.
Agreed – we definitely overpaid for him. Of course, if we gave Reggie the same amount, we’d be overpaying even more.
by dhackett1565 on Jul 18, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It Takes Less Time to "Dig" For The Stats
then it took you to post you comment above.
That is if you know where to dig.
On top of that I find it hard to believe that your schedule is so full of required activities that you couldn’t “dig” for stats.
JMO
+1
That was my point.
JYD was by no means an all-star LOL but IMO he contributed a lot more on the court during his time with the Raptors than Reggie did.
JYD vs Reggie
Reggie has had some unlucky injuries in Toronto and it’s not fair to compare his time here to JYD’s.
Both are effort guys and they have a lot of similarities. What I remember about JYD was he got a few more points on the fast break than Reggie, but that he did not rebound as well. They are kinda a wash in terms of game impact. Neither player was a huge difference maker, and both were effort guys who made hustle plays that ignited their teams.
by defensive rap on Jul 18, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Will he be one of those guys who sign with the Miami Heat for peanuts? ...hmmm
'....as a child, I dreamt of being a baseball.'
Evans is a niche guy on a team full of them
We dont need anymore niche rebounding guys stealing minutes from our talented front court.
Secondly, Reggie isn’t big enouhg to help out on the defensive side of the ball either, he has quick feet but is the size of guy that dominat wings love to dunk on.
Lets not forget that he shoots a terrible free throw percentage coupled with the fact that hes takes away possessions for other guys because they feel obligated to get him a touch cause he hustles. This is a year where the Raps have a significant chance of getting better by losing players lets keep it that way. Say goodbye to the Julian Wrights, The Sonny Weems, the ALex Ajinca’s get rid of them all and either bring in shooting veterans or young guys trying to make it .say goodbye to the dead weight and welcome in some new young talent
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by PaullyPforPrez on Jul 18, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
I’m going to reiterate what I’ve said here before – no way should he be getting paid, and even if he comes back on a min contract, I hope he doesn’t expect much in way of minutes. I want every minute possible soaked up by Amir and Ed. And especially at PF, since that is their position. Just don’t see a spot for him in this team’s future. If we had to sign another PF, I’d rather just keep Dorsey at min contract (which is less than Reggie’s min contract) and see if he can improve. He already has a positive impact – just needs more time on the court, and can potentially hold his own at C for stretches.
Going to talk about Dorsey later this week but he’s a very interesting case. In many ways, he is a Reggie Evans clone, so you make a very valid point about why you’d pay to keep Reggie when a similar player in Dorsey could be had for much cheaper.
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by Adam Francis on Jul 18, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
For a team that seems to be finally giving in to the advanced stats revolution, failing to extend a $1 million qualifying offer to Joey Dorsey was a curious move.
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by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jul 18, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Dorsey's Career WS/48 Is Quite A Bit Below The League Average
League average is about .100.
Dorsey’s career is .072 and it was .073 last season.
He is also on the older side with regard to making significant improvements in his game. He will be 28 next season
Having said that if I had to choose between giving him a Vets Min or Evans I would choose Dorsey. That is if Dorsey will be eligible for a Vets Min. He only has three season of NBA experience.
JMO
Any player is eligible for the minimum. His minimum would actually be less than Reggie’s, as the min contract is scaled based on years of NBA service.
by dhackett1565 on Jul 18, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And do you REALLY care about his offensive upside? I mean, you’re basically paying this guy to come in, rebound the ball, get some put-backs, and box out. And that’s what he can do now, so not sure why age is a big concern. Also, he’s played a lot less than most players his age, so I’m not worried about injuries.
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by Adam Francis on Jul 18, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Who Said Anything About Offensive Upside?
He is also on the older side with regard to making significant improvements in his game.
His defense could still use a significant improvement.
Just getting by on rebounding (box-outs), put-backs and screens isn’t enough for a player.
You have to have at least an average overall defense and offense combined which includes more than the above mentioned items.
Right…but if you’re comparing him to Reggie, I’m not sure Mr. Evans is miles ahead of Joey. In fact I’d argue that Joey’s already a better shot-blocker so not sure “upside” should be the deal breaker that’s all.
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by Adam Francis on Jul 18, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Say What?
So the NBA has a new CBA.
That is news to me.
Sorry – you are right, anything could happen. But in both the last two CBA’s what I said is true, and is unlikely to change.
by dhackett1565 on Jul 18, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
How Do You Know It Is Unlikely To Change?
I don’t know whether what you are saying has to do with what you want to happen or what you think might happen based upon intuition, what you have read or otherwise.
So I will go with “It is your opinion based upon ?”
Fair enough, but to me you are making it sound like it will be a given. It may very well be that what you are saying is what will happen but at this point unless you can substantiate it with a quote from the Union or the NBA ISTM that what you are saying is just your opinion or wish.
In that case, to appease Buddah, we should eliminate all NBA discussion, as there is a possibility, though slight, that the NBA never resumes from this lockout. Since all discussion here is based on our opinion and assumptions that it will indeed eventually start up again, none of it is anything beyond “IMO.” Or, you know, we can just assume that everything is in people’s opinion, be it supported by others’ or otherwise, as most people do in conversation ALL THE TIME.
I based my statement on the fact that there has been a minimum contract for players over the length of the previous two (at least) CBA’s, and neither side has put forward a proposal which eliminates or modifies that. Proposals thus far have been based around overall salaries and BRI sharing, as well as exceptions and various cap options. Minimum contracts are basically a common sense thing that benefits both the players and the league, and as such, IMO, it will not even be a talking point in these negotiations.
Finally:
anything could happen
Fair enough, but to me you are making it sound like it will be a given
Don’t know how I can be more clear.
by dhackett1565 on Jul 18, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
In my opinion
There will be minimum contracts in the next CBA. It is important to the integrity of the league and neither side disputes this fact.
And to use a quote from a very informed and intelligent person, “Minimum contracts are basically a common sense thing that benefits both the players and the league, and as such, IMO, it will not even be a talking point in these negotiations.”
by defensive rap on Jul 18, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
ISTM That If I Was To Bet On It
I would bet that there will be a minimum contract amount and maybe even a Vets Min.
However, I would not bet the house on it unless the mortgage was upside down. LOL
No Need To Eliminate Discussion
but ISTM that your original comment on this thread read like it was a “matter of fact” rather than opinion or wish.
JMO
Comes From Saving Space in Tweets
ISTM – It seems to me.
Anyone can use it. It is not a Buddahfan exclusive. Besides I don’t buy the argument for IP rights. ISTM that IP rights are nothing more than assigning monopoly rights to human thought. Bad stuff IMO
So I don’t even care if someone uses what I say and doesn’t give me credit.
I just don’t like people misquoting someone and attributing the misquote to the person they supposedly quoted.
That is MTU (making things up) and is not very nice. LOL
Money aside
I love Reggie’s effort and energy. It is something this team has sorely lacked over the years. At a league minimum, I would choose Reggie over Dorsey as long as the difference is less than a million dollars. They are similar players but Reggie’s effort, experience and charisma is worth a little more.
Problem #1: We have 3 PFs already
Problem #2: Reggie is an effort guy but that may not be what this roster needs, as we expect Casey to get supreme effort out of the roster with his enthusiasm and demanding nature.
Answer #1: If we trade Andrea for example for a wing player plus a draft pick, then we will need Reggie and/or Dorsey and we will be a much better team.
Conclusion: Reggie and Dorsey may both be needed to play decent minutes next year if we can move Andrea out of the lineup. If Andrea gets 35 minutes next year at the four (less than this year), then with Amir and Ed playing 27 minutes each this year hopefully, there is only 7 minutes left in the front court rotation.
Bargnani Interview - Team Italia Media Day
Also a couple of shots with Bargnani posing with a young women.
Anyone else notice how much more he smiles when he does interviews in Italy in Italian then in Toronto in English?
http://video.gazzetta.it/i-big-azzurri-sognano-londra-2012/6a297ff8-b156-11e0-91e1-84b2dffe7f94
Andrea Smiling
He smiles because he’s happy and he doesn’t feel any pressure. In Italy no one cares if the Raptors win or lose.
He has a huge contract. He’s made his money. And winning isn’t how he defines himself. Losing happens and it doesn’t phase him. Some people can’t accept losing and others learn to live with it. Andrea lives with it far too easily.
This is not a guy that when his current contract expires that is likely to be back in the NBA. He won’t get another big contract again and if he had the choice to play for the Lakers at a league minimum to try and get a ring or go back to Europe and play there for the same money I believe he will return home as quickly as possible, to relax and smile.
I like the moments when JV smiles; in the middle of the pile fighting through to grab the rebound while getting hit. JV loves playing basketball. Andrea loves…….. shooting jump shots from the outside.
I hope Andrea likes contact with his girlfriend more than he does on the court or she is one lonely woman.
Second language....
I have no idea about Andrea’s future in the NBA beyond the end of his contract, but I at least one part of your theory is a bit ridiculous. The reason Andrea smiles and looks more relaxed speaking Italian is because it is his native language.
LTU – Jonas in the mix as NT prepares for EuroBasket
18/07/2011
DRUSKININKAI (EuroBasket 2011) – Lithuania have launched their preparations for the EuroBasket in Druskininkai and the country’s hottest name is battling for a place in the squad.
Jonas Valanciunas, the MVP of the U19 FIBA World Championship in Latvia, is the youngest of the 20 players in the preliminary group.
Lithuania coach Kestutis Kemzura believes that despite the quick return to the court after the success in Riga, where Valanciunas led the country to the gold medal, the 2.10m center will be able to cope.
“Take into account the fact that he only had one week to recover after the World Cup,” Kemzura said.
“Jonas Valanciunas has already reached a certain peak athletic form, played a lot of games.
“After this exercise at a young age, he is recovering quickly and is with the team but we’re trying not to put too much on him.”
Valanciunas turned 19 on May 5.
He averaged 23 points and 13.9 rebounds per game at the U19 FIBA World Championship.
Pardon ... but ...
Anyone else notice how much more he smiles when he does interviews in Italy in Italian then in Toronto in English?
Because his English comments are too often stripped apart, and dissected for any nuance that might give ammunition to haters certain fans. There are times when I think what happened in Vancouver (during the NHL finals), could very well happen in Toronto. That same hateful energy, that CNN (and like) gave us props for.
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In Italy no one cares if the Raptors win or lose.
You know this because …. ? …. you have the pulse of a nation
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And winning isn’t how he defines himself. Losing happens and it doesn’t phase him. Some people can’t accept losing and others learn to live with it. Andrea lives with it far too easily.
Yes … we all know the truth —→ Raptor losses are his fault. Guru Dave Berry says so.
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This is not a guy that when his current contract expires that is likely to be back in the NBA.
This statement is just ridiculous.
Not to pigeon-hole this comment (or the author), but it’s another reason why working your way to the top (from say sanitation engineer), is rare in the Sporting world. But it makes for some great Hollywood material.
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I hope Andrea likes contact with his girlfriend more than he does on the court or she is one lonely woman.
Here’s one of his off-court contacts for your viewing pleasure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do0oRANj9iQ&feature=player_embedded
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All this being said, the secret to Bargnani – IMO – is figuring out how to get this out of him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhdGQn3k7Aw&feature=related
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Second Language....
I have no idea about Andrea’s future in the NBA beyond the end of his contract, but I at least one part of your theory is a bit ridiculous. The reason Andrea smiles and looks more relaxed speaking Italian is because it is his native language.
He Actually Said As Much
In an interview when he spoke about how he was more comfortable speaking Italian then English he smiled when he mentioned Italian and dropped the smile when he mentioned English.
To clarify
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I agree – he’s more comfortable (in Italian) because it’s his native language. My point got away on me a bit, as I was trying to point out that his English interviews make him nervous. Especially with neurotic Raptor fans looking for anything and everything he says – hoping to find that crack in the armour (and justify their hate dislike).
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jul 19, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Interviews?
Who cares what he says in his interviews. Most sports interviews are boring as hell and they say the same stuff they said in Bull Durham 25 years ago…they repeat cliches.
Real fans care about what he does on the court and that’s where he can get in trouble with me, not interviews. I understand it’s not his first language. But rebounding and defence are of the universal language of basketball, and he doesn’t speak either one of them very well.
by defensive rap on Jul 19, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Interviews
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For the most part, I don’t really care what he says. Unfortunately, not all fans see it that way.
Real fans care about what he does on the court
Real fans do care, and those that still believe in him, are not delusional in how they view Andrea’s weaknesses. The same can’t be said for other fans who don’t care what he does, or says – and that’s their perspective. I have mine, and while Andrea has to prove he has more value to this team, there are other (players) who need to step up to the plate as well. Only a delusional fan thinks 22 & 60 is a function of mostly Andrea.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jul 19, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
22-60
He is more to blame than any other player for our recent season, but no he’s not “The reason we lost”, a big part of it, but not solely responsible, maybe people were involved; but he is not fitting in and his advanced stats are awful.
He could work in a different role and be effective off the bench and be a leading sixth man candidate. He cannot play starting PF or Centre on a good team for two simple reasons. These are not personal, and I do not hate Andrea or anyone in Basketball, (maybe Lebron a bit)
1. he can’t defend or rebound effectively enough on a nightly basis
2. the ball stops in his hands far too frequently on offence and he is an inefficient scorer
by defensive rap on Jul 20, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s one of his off-court contacts for your viewing pleasure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do0oRANj9iQ&feature=player_embedded
He is more interested in women then in basketball
Trade Bargnani now.
Andrea being back in the NBA after current contract expires
I doubt it. If his stock continues to decline in the NBA and he can get as much in Europe as over here I believe he is gone. IMO
Winning is not how defines himself. This is the characteristic that was misinterpreted about Andrea at the beginning before the draft. It was thought that he would be a great clutch player because he was unaffected by missing and losing. Instead of being a machine like cold killer he has proven himself to be apathetic. IMO
The spotlight on the Raptors is significantly less in Italy than it is in Toronto.
Making a joke about contact and the worst rebounding big in the NBA…
NBA Schedule Coming Tomorrow...
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/7/18/2281103/nba-schedule-2011-2012-lockout
Season or no season, here she comes…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
People Make A Big Deal About The Schedule
ISTM to be important
To find out if your team or teams that you like to watch are on ESPN/ABC, TNT or NBA.TV — Doesn’t apply to Raptors, though they could wind up with a couple of games on NBA.TV
Other than that IMO it is much to do about nothing especially when no one knows if there will even be a NBA season in 2011-12.
I can just hear some guy going to his wife tonight and saying honey you know that your parents don’t like basketball and the Knicks are on Network TV on Xmas so we just can’t go over their for the your family’s traditional three generation Xmas dinner this year. That will go over big. LOL
JMO
Here’s the thing – if the season is delayed by even a week, they will likely toss the schedule out the window (either completely or to a degree) to adjust for a shorter span or less games or a combination. So tomorrow’s (today’s?) news is only news in the most optimistic case – no games missed come October.
by dhackett1565 on Jul 19, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry – that was supposed to be released TODAY…email with the link came last night, didn’t realize it.
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by Adam Francis on Jul 19, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
According to David Aldridge over at NBA.com
The union began been telling its members to prepare for a work stoppage as far back as more than two years ago.
But the union has been telling players for more than two years to save their money, not to buy expensive toys that would be hard to re-sell or get rid of in a hurry.
My Guess Is That MLSE Has Been Preparing For A Work Stoppage
for about a year and that is one reason that their actual Raptors payroll liability might be lower today than it was before Bosh left.
I wonder how many other teams were thinking along these lines as far back as the spring of 2010?
Just saying.
Another Bargnani Itlalian Team Video
Italian National Team Three in NBA
Bargnani interviewed at end of video
http://video.corriere.it/tris-nba-nazionale-italiana/f0e7c54a-b17e-11e0-8890-9ce9f56cae65
PER
Player Efficiency Rating (available since the 1951-52 season); PER is a rating developed by ESPN.com columnist John Hollinger. In John’s words, “The PER sums up all a player’s positive accomplishments, subtracts the negative accomplishments, and returns a per-minute rating of a player’s performance.” Please see the article Calculating PER for more information. Also see VAA and VAR.
Is Bargnani Really This Bad A Rebounder? Yes He Is
NBA career rebounding percentage all players 6’11" or taller with 10,000 or more career minutes Bargnani ranks as the worst rebounder of all-time and it is not even close.
As Long As Barney Remains A Raptors Player
Every thread becomes a Bargnani thread. LOL
LOL
Hilarious. RapthoseLeafs feels he should be able to give us 2500 words of his misguided opinion on Bargnani. However, when someone brings out some real, factual statistics to discuss (which are just pathetic by the way) he cries foul. Typical Bargnani nonsense. Can’t talk about his negatives…
I can't handle negatives?
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Bargnani quotes, posts, threads and whatever, outnumber any Raptor player over the past couple of years. To which the negatives are repeated over and over again.
Even though I argue for Andrea (against some pretty vocal fans) – it’s the David in me – I fail to see how one can say I’m reluctant to talk about his negatives. Besides, my post …. Isn’t this a Reggie Thread? …. was a joke.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jul 22, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Reggie, Reggie
It would be great to have him back…..but, as mentioned before…..not at $5 million. Maybe at the most, $2 million.
Or….offer him $1.5 million base…..and number of games played financial incentive.
Otherwise……let’s move on. He is hurt too often to pay him any more than the above.
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- Lamar Odom to New York? Dwight Howard on the move? For now, it’s all talk
