Raptors HQ Open Thread - 2011 NBA Draft
by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:01 PM EDT
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Here we go kidz...draft night and the Raptors have the fifth pick...
Here's what we know:
The Raptors are looking at four main players in this draft; Brandon Knight, Jonas Valanciunas, Bismack Biyombo and Kawhi Leonard.
Who they take?
Well that's anyone's guess.
Sure, it sounds like Knight is the leading candidate, and Valanciunas will be gone, but really, regardless of 8 Million Mock drafts, Toronto's pick still greatly depends on what teams like Minnesota, Utah and Cleveland do above them.
This makes for an interesting evening, one that we'll be discussing almost pick-by-pick.
Chime in below and have your say.
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Here we go...
Maybe the last chat of the year? As in 2011?
Let’s hope not but it does sound like a lockout is on the way.
In any event, Chad Ford just tweeted:
Starting to hear pretty strong signals that Biyombo is going to Raptors at 5.
So we’ll see…
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First pick is 7:30!
TSN2
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
7:35
actually… but who’s counting
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Solid ha ha.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
perfect I can get home just in time
Just looked on my facebook and there’s already a 3 team trade between the bobcats, kings and bucks
by sherwin316 on Jun 23, 2011 7:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yep, hopefully more to come.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmer Jam Poll... What fruit is its main ingredient?
'....as a child, I dreamt of being a baseball.'
Minnesota
any guess what stupid move Kahn will do in this draft?
He'll draft Williams
Unless he can fleece someone.
I’m pumped for Minny’s picks.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Kahn is such a wild card don’t know what he’s thinking..and it looks like stephan jackson is not a happy camper going to the bucks
by sherwin316 on Jun 23, 2011 7:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yea
Other than Ford, Hollinger and ex NBA players on ESPN I don’t give much weight to ESPN’s NBA analysts and what they say
I have ZERO trust in good ol’ Fran…he’s said some ridiculous things during this whole process.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you were listening to what Tom Penn just said
He clearly sided with the owners
with 5th overall
pick Kemba with 5th overall and show some respect to the man.
Triano gets into it with the rest of the war room, Raps take more than 5 minutes, miss their pick.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
hahah
wouldn’t that be hilarious. Raps miss pick, get no one.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
also,
get compensated for next years 1st round
Ha!
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
if knights there raps pick him if not its kemba I'm sure
by sherwin316 on Jun 23, 2011 7:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sounds like Knight might fall to NINE now!
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Was loving that.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
give the man a break.
NBA losing money.
A lot of comfusion there
VG Is Still Saying Lebron One Of Greatest Ever
Win a title first
While Stu Jackson and crew are talking...
The players can here them right? They are being broadcast over the stadium sound system right?
HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEA BABY!
And there it is
After month sof speculation – they make th epick everyone knew they would!
NOW...things start to get fun.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So, so true.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
where are
the plush couchs like they had last year?
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
Bilas Still Has Walker Ahead of Knight
Got to admit the CT connection is strong.
After Years of searching for a bunch of draft junkies....
I have finally found my brothers! GOD bless Raptors HQ!
any wager
on how little they actually discuss Toronto come their draft choice?
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
That was best dunk of college season
When Williams dribbled around Singler down the lane for the tomahawk in tourney
Williams Thinks He Will Beat Out Love at the #4
Sure he will
I can hear Leo right now
“that guy has a man’s body”
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
Jazz Take Kanter
Looks like Knight or Biyombo.
I still am hoping for Biyombo
Biyombo
can’t wait to see him walk with 7’7 wingspan.
Loved that quote.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Tristan Thompson ...goes #4! ...I hope T.DOT is proud!
'....as a child, I dreamt of being a baseball.'
Talk about options! Now who do you pick?
by Assistant GM on Jun 23, 2011 7:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not completely shocked
If people are talking Biyombo at five, then why wouldn’t you take TT at 4? Similar skill set and for my money, fewer question marks. But who knows, they might trade him…
Biyombo
come on down.
Your the next contestant in Player is right~~~
I Agree With Your Thinking On This
He will say afterwards that he added an asset
Knight
Then Biyombo and if BC wasn’t on a short leash, JV.
As mentioned this morning...
…pretty interesting that ALL of the Raptors’ top options are still in play.
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That is Ballsy I must Admit
But i think this is a trade.
JV
he is a keeper.
but i think he’ll be traded.
to SA
I dont mind if they keep
but i think its trade.
not against a trade
just not for Tony Parker
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
no
That will not happen. T. Parker is a terrible, and I mean terrible fit in Toronto.
by defensive rap on Jun 23, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
so
Parker’s coming to TO.
You heard it first from me.
as long as its not
like Bargnani, I could care less
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
sweet
so happy about that pick. We are building for rings, not playoff appearances. That’s why we can’t trade with SA.
amazing
Knight won’t be until atleast 7
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
BC can't be that dumb and short sighted
He won’t deal with SA unless it is for picks and Hill. BC has to know that if Parker is whining about the Spurs not having a chance at a ring anymore, after the regular season they just had, how could he be happy and motivated to play for the Raps next year?
Bad Pick
I love players that won’t play for 2 years……… Can some one please tell me why no European big men ever pan out? Other than Pao and Dirk who are freaks
I Have Wanted The Raptors To Take Him for Over A Month
but I never thought BC would do it.
I Love you BC
I will buy for you a dozen of those italian shirts LOL
I still think the Raps might flip JV for two first rounders lower down – especially if guys like Knight and Walker continue to slide…
That is the frontcourt that I want to see. With Alabi getting a few minutes of banging and blocking once he gets his game in shape.
Sign an old FA centre for this season and deal Bargnani. JV will be over before we even know it.
by DW19 on Jun 23, 2011 8:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BC
A lot of respect to BC for using the pick to get a piece that the franchise can hopefully cherish for years, at the toughest position to fill in the draft.
Or if he trades down for two solid picks, one of which includes Knight, I would be happy as well.
+1
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
not for another 2 or 3 yrs tho
JV won’t be NBA ready for a couple of yrs at least. I like the pick tho.
JV
when speaking about Kanter he said he looks forward to competing with him in the future very much.
Good answer.
What He Said Was
I look forward to fighting him
Have You Actually Watched HIm Play In A Game?
I watched four of his games in May
This guy is a great pick.
Mark my words
pressure to win
That pick just took a lot of pressure off the Raps to win next year. Now they can really settle down and rebuild properly.
Yea
I’m down with the 8 year plan to reach the playoffs
2 years they are 5th seed
JV’s rookie year, they will make a big impact.
by defensive rap on Jun 23, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Really happy with this pick
Let’s face it, Raps weren’t getting into the dance next year anyways. Now, Val grows overseas for a year, Dinos go back in lottery next year, a deep draft at that, and team makes a big jump year after next.
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Don't forget
Guys still need at least a year to adjust from Euro ball to NBA. So no real impact for a few years from JV.
He May Still Come This Year
He could play 10 – 15 mpg as Barney’s backup to start without a problem
Very nice way to think about it.
I still hope BC can swing a 2’nd pic somehow though
2012 is crazy stacked too
Especially with SFs, we need to be in that lottery.
by timboslice85 on Jun 23, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
What happened to Knight>>>
Why is he dropping so far>>
man
knight does NOT look happy
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
i wish i could watcht this.
I hate Sports channels, I cant get tsn two.
Absolutely…Dumars must be THRILLED.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Knight looks sad
Now he has something to prove.
Doesn’t say a lot that Knight went 8th and Kemba will go lower and they were the two picks we thought we would be choosing from.
I feel so good about this pick (JV) because it shows that we are trying to build for the future and we are not taking short cuts.
by defensive rap on Jun 23, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He's far from a sure thing
I would be happy with him if he was playing this year. He’s not a lock to be a great player either.
If someone told you we could get Deandre Jordan rwo years from now would you be thrilled?
i think the cavs pick of tristan really got things going crazy in this draft
never thought knight or leonard would still be on the board now..i hope bc is trying to get a second pick
extra pick
How can acquire a pick to take Kemba. I hated him at 5 but I like the pick if it is in the mid teens and if BC could end the draft with Kemba and JV, I would be very impressed.
Kemba has to be wondering what he has to do to get some love – all he did was put a team on his back and carry them to an NCAA title!
knight has to be pissed
see what happens when you listen to your agent to dont go against other players in workouts..he was suppose to be a top 3-5 pick now he fell to the pistons.
Raptors Get Malcolm Lee In Second Round
or somehow get Honeycutt in round #1
And there goes Kemba
Whoops, I spoke too soon. I think he’s going to make a lot of GMs look stupid for passing on him
LithuaniaBasket Simonas Baranauskas
Check that out – Jonas Valanciunas is trending on twitter!
No doubt Linas had a hand in this pick
You Have No Idea About How Much Kleiza Knows About The Game
You don’t have to be a great player to recognize great talent
Like the pick
Would love to pick up Kawhi Leonard somehow too
JV makes me happy
It shows we are looking for excellence and not settling. It also shows our GM is committed to the teams future, even if it hurts his personal situation. great move.
+1
While I hope he is awesome for us. He has not proven anything in the NBA yet
You're acting like
the only way to acquire players is through the draft
by timboslice85 on Jun 23, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
For Toronto...
It almost is. Look at our track record for free agents under BC. Exactly.
He Is Not Unproven
He played exceptionally well in Europe
He is no Kleiza
You guys will love Jonas
Plays hard and fights
An Amir clone. Just taller and longer and a bit less athletic
LOL
LithuaniaBasket Simonas Baranauskas
Are there any Lithuanian basketball fans left in Toronto after Kleiza’s season was pretty much a failure?
I hate the whole nationality comparison.
That would be like comparing any Canadian to Steve Nash…. It just makes me mad! Hahaha
I love this pick.
Its not like there will even BE a 2011-12 season, so it’ll be very easy to wait a year on this guy considering everyone will be waiting a year…
I bet...
Jimmer get’s knocked out the first week of training camp by either Cousins or Tyreke for not passing.
Being in the 2012 lottery
Is worth sucking this year. Check out the prospects in the top 10 for next year and then imagine one of them with a JV who has another year under his belt.
Tiago Splitter....
Was thought to be making big strides staying extra years in Europe – didn’t work out that way.
Harrison Baines, Perry Jones, James McAdoo, Jared Sullinger, Quincy Miller
All potential answers to our glaring SF problem
by timboslice85 on Jun 23, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He or Baines for me.
…though Perry Jones could be scary good.
by timboslice85 on Jun 23, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Adam - Put Up Some Video Of Jonas Tomorrow
You can start with this
Jonas Valančiūnas Mixtape from LKL FINALS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbF1X10UXHw&feature=share
Everyone should watch this short highlight video
if he is the raps better not touch him
by sherwin316 on Jun 23, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jonas
I know it’s far-fetched but JV look and plays like Tim Duncan.
Similar body type, offensively well rounded. I’m liking this pick more and more
Not One Tweet From Raptors Writers
Over at Raptors blog everyone want to trade him.
Yeah, I’m taking a lot of heat on Twitter for backing the pick too ha ha.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting draft so far
Lots of guys still available…guys who many thought would be gone.
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Utah
Excellent Draft – Kanter and Burks – great picks and value
Parker is a terrible fit
If he doesn’t think SA can compete for championships anymore, after last years regular season results, how can he be excited to play in Toronto? How?
There's a chance
I just dont want Leonard. We can get a way better SF in next years draft with either the 1 or 2 pick cause that’s how crap we are going to be again.
There Is No Magic Forumla For Going From 22 Wins to Top Playoff Team
But this pick along with Casey will go a long way in making this happen over the next few seasons.
Yes I'm sure Demar and Ed will enjoy the ride
And will definitely re-up after these next few losing years.
I know - sorry
Just reading my own posts and I’m like damn this guy has his panties in a know. Honestly I am not mad at JV – I think he will be solid. Just think we could have done better immediately.
Sorry to everyone for the crying – but expect more of it at least for tonight :)
That’s the one thing that BC has to be VERY careful of. So shrewd decisions in free agency have to show those guys SOME improvement.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If those guys want to see improvement in the Raptors then they should play better. This coming season (if it happens) should be all about internal improvement from the young guys.
The other way that the line-up could see some new faces is through a Bargnani trade and minor FA signing(s). I would be all in favour of trading Bargnani for a veteran big man who might have 3 or 4 years left and could teach the young guys how to fight for wins in the league. The guy doesn’t have to be a star, he just has to know how to defend the centre position and bang some bodies.
Honestly ifyou think about it there are 6 good teams in the east. any two teams to me can jump up and grabe 7 or 8 spot.
even if you go below .500. With this pick and new coach and a older and more mature Derozan and Davis maybe the right moves, wouldnt suprise me if we contend at all.
Really? So your hope is to make the playoffs so we can lose to Boston, Chicago, or Miami? Thanks I would rather suck another year and improve our core to the point where we might actually stand a chance against them.
i agree i would too next year would be a great year to have a top 5 pick.
im just saying the bottom two teams we do have a chance. But year i agree
Play-offs
Getting one’s ass kicked, even if it’s only 1 series, is good for development. Players need to experience what the next level is all about.
Losing year after year – and missing the play-offs – can be detrimental to growth and mindset. Especially with any lack of a Leader.
.
by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he'll surprise those doubters
.
As he was falling, I was hoping BC had some rabbit up his sleeve.
Kemba looked pissed when his name was called. Not sure if that was because he dropped, or because it was Charlotte … land of MJ.
.
by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice Write Up On JV !
http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2011/06/2011-international-draft-prospects.html
Looks promising ! Im just glad he is a banger ,once he fills in a bit & gets more experience we might just have our Center of the future.
Lietuvos Rytas is a quality European franchise that managed to advance to the Top 16 stage of Euroleague play. Jonas was an extremely efficient player, with these averages in only 15 minutes per game:
7.7 pts, 5.8 reb, 71% FG (#1 in EL), 88% FT, 0.7 blk, 1.4 TO
Using John Hollinger’s translations for Euroleague stats to NBA numbers, Valanciunas’ production was quite impressive, especially considering he was just 18 for the season (he just turned 19 last month), and also played a tough schedule (out of 15 Euroleague games, eight were played against powers Panathinaikos, Montepaschi Siena, FC Barcelona and Caja Laboral). Here’s what Jonas’ 2010-11 Euroleague numbers translated into NBA stats, per 36 minutes:
13.5 pts, 15.9 reb, 0.7 ast, 62.3% FG
Jonas’s numbers in the Lithuanian domestic league (LKL) were just as impressive, in 20 minutes per game:
11.5 pts, 7.3 reb, 67% FG, 78% FT, 1.8 blk, 1.8 TO
Valanciunas led the LKL in blocks and FG pct., was third in rebounds.
Acronym for RAPTORS = RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally
by RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally on Jun 23, 2011 8:47 PM EDT reply actions
In The Week Or So When Things Are A Littel Quieter Around Here
I will post my analysis of Jonas based upon having watched him play in actual games.
the suns have lost their ever loving mind
if i was steve nash id ask for a trade asap
I posted earlier...
The biggest sliders of the top 10 group would be Vesley or Leonard
I wish we took TT
Hometown boy, defends the rim and loves to play defence.
TT is a center
Don’t look at height, look at game.
ESPN Interviewing the Morris Twins Mother
I hate this.
I hate that so many of these players have absent fathers.
That they had to be raised by a single mother.
Hate it.
very true
at least they have a strong woman to keep them straight..some kids dont have any
I Wonder How Many Fans At The ACC
will be rooting for the Cavs when they play the Raptors
Kawahi just got picked by a team where the best player is a SF
Does anyone else smell trade?
From SI.com
Raptors executive Bryan Colangelo nails the half-court shot here, as Valanciunas became the apple of almost every lottery team’s eye in recent days. He might not be available to join the Raptors next season, but he can man the middle for Toronto for a decade to come thereafter. He’s a skilled and efficient scorer who can still fill out his 19-year-old frame.
Barney can’t even spell efficient. It will be pure comedy gold when Val gets more rebounds per game in the NBA next year than Barney does and he will still be in the Euroleague.
Hush Up - Lets Hope That Things Can Still Be Worked Out
No point in thinking bad thoughts about it. LOL
Great post timboslice85…completely agree.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
3) Get in Delorean, draft Bargs again.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty much, unfortunately
That’s why he’s BC.
Kleiza Will Be Able To Translate for JV
until his English gets up to speed. LOL
Jonas Valanciunas vs France - 8:29 min
A 8 min vid of play vs France
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5jvPl5-wRsE#at=118
Acronym for RAPTORS = RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally
by RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally on Jun 23, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
People have seen him play in the NBA
Monteijas your name is Bargnani
LOL
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooks and Singleton…come on BC!!!
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Pacers Just Traded Leonard to Spurs for Hill
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
George Hill will return to his Indianapolis roots, and play for the Pacers.
6 minutes ago
Shows you what you get for judging a young player on a half season worth of starts. Cough – Bayless – Cough.
by dhackett1565 on Jun 23, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Sucks might be a little strong, his stats are not earth shattering but they were hardly crap.
GP MPG FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% RPG APG BLKPG STLPG PFPG TOPG PPG
2010-11 Regular Season 79 29.9 5.0-11.0 .457 0.5-1.6 .331 2.6-2.9 .871 2.8 5.1 0.2 1.1 1.4 2.5 13.2
2010-11 Postseason 5 29.2 3.6-9.2 .391 0.8-1.2 .667 1.4-2.2 .636 2.6 4.0 0.4 1.0 1.4 1.8 9.4
Spike Lee - I Never Heard Of Him
but I got to go with it. I have no choice. – LOL
aw ok the espn crew just said he was a scorer
but they need more size not another guard
He's 6'6
and can play the 1 or the 2.
Was really under valued at Georgia Tech.
I Am So Psyched Over the JV Pick
Going to have to watch TMZ after the draft is over. LOL
Nope
I like a player based upon what he does regardless of where he is from
Vesely and Montejuans suck.
I Prefer Leonard over Singleton Because Leonard Is From So. CA.
Got to go with the heart on this one.
With Regard To Leonard vs Singleton Got To Go With My Heart
Got to go with my heart on this one. I want to see the Raptors eventually put five guys from So. CA on the court at one time and of course win. LOL
"the Truth"
Washington might be trading
they drafted Vesley and Singelton – mostly SF’s and they still have Rashard and prob Josh howard.
RFLMAO
dinonationblog James Borbath
Spike Lee for Knicks GM
Tobias going to Miwaukee
All around player – Skiles kind of guy.
marshon brooks to the raps
come on bc damnit
ESPN Still Hating On Kevin Love
Boy do I hate ESPN.
ESPN saying that Rubio will be the face of the the T-Wolves franchise.
They have always dumped on Love.
They continue to do so.
What a bunch of Jerks
So… odds that BC trades down and picks… Montiejunas??? Or maybe Faried or even Singleton (from the Wiz).
marshon brooks i bet lol at least i hope so
but listening to the espn guys talking about the spurs trading hill to the pacers..i think it is a weird trade on the spurs part no?
Unless they have a trade lined up for Jefferson, I don’t see the reasoning.
by dhackett1565 on Jun 23, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Like, boils, or locusts? Cause locusts are delicious.
by dhackett1565 on Jun 23, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Rubio and Monejonas - Both Are Way Overrated
T-Wolves could get #1 pick again next year
Or again, have the best shot at #1…and fall short ;)
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Half right
Rubio is awesome, but Monti is definitely junk
by CamHilton on Jun 23, 2011 9:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not bad value for Bargs
Montajounas playing besides Love and Williams.
yea suddenly
adding rubio, williams and bargs in a week aint bad.
Ironically getting a Bargs-type guy at 20 isn’t so bad I’d argue…especially if you can bring him off the bench behind Love and Williams.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny
…but there was a lot of speculation round here that BC would not draft JV because he wouldn’t arrive in time to save his job.
Looks like BC made the move for his club rather than for his job.
LOVE the pick. The team is desparate for a legit center and I think this makes Bargs expendable – especially if there is a lockout.
Was terrified we would end up with Knight, a guy I think has bust written all over him, and was hoping based on the reports that we might land Biyombo, but am thrilled we got JV!
by CamHilton on Jun 23, 2011 9:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
BC is...
…pretty quick to admit/fix his mistakes. He gave Bargs a shot at being alpha dog and Bargs puked on his shoes. Drafting a more legit C with two young PFs in Amir and Davis already in hand sure looks like BC is getting ready to fix the Bargs error.
by CamHilton on Jun 23, 2011 9:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Relatively speaking
Bargs first year was coming off the bench. His second saw him get more time, but at the 5 where his perimeter game wasn’t well suited.
The key IMO was how Bargs performed at the 4 without Bosh and with the chief offensive role. Instead of stepping up he crashed and burned.
As a first overall pick with a bucket of talent I’d argue that BC did the right thing giving Bargs the chances he did.
by CamHilton on Jun 23, 2011 11:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Biyombo wouldnt have been thinking about himself either. Biyombo’s ceiling is higher and he could have started developing him right here right now.
isnt soloman alabi’s ceiling high too?
biyombo is no better pick than JV. just cause he might not play next season doesnt mean that hes not going to be a better player. In fact most anaylsis’ think Jonas Valanciunas is the real deal, while biyombo is, while still having great potential, is unknown and was projected to go lower, while JV was projected to might even be in top 4. the only concern with him is his buyout, but if he seems to be the better player in 3 yrs time, you take him no matter if he can, or can not play next season. besides hes one of the youngest in the draft. i dont know why u care about him playing the in the league so much next year as it may be non-existent due to the lockout and most want a top pick next year, which would still be a good time to bring JV over next season. its not like were expecting to be playoff caliber team once we draft a stud in 2012, he still has time to work on his game. so relax
LOVE the pick. The team is desparate for a legit center and I think this makes Bargs expendable
Don’t be so quick on that thought. JV might mean AB will be here longer than you think.
.
That being said, given the right offer, everyone on this team is expendable. Even Davis.
.
by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
WolstatSun Ryan Wolstat
Again, great job by Colangelo and the #Raptors now, step 2, trade Bargnani as soon as Valanciunas is ready to play
I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts BC has visions of Valaciunas and Bargnani in the front court for the next 5 years….
Have donuts...
…am looking for a fool with $s
by CamHilton on Jun 23, 2011 9:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
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As much as I know we disagree vehemently on this being a good thing, I’ll take that donut bet.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
JV is ok
But am I wrong to say that PG and SF are still huge needs? Unless the Raps consider Bargs to play wing in the offensive court (not a bad idea IMO), I think they still need to make a move or two
HA!
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Trades, Trades, Trades...
Definitely not a boring draft – having a tough time keeping track.
Curious to read the full fall-out from this later tonight/tomorrow.
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Faried - Nice Locks
him and Chris Anderson together
Nuggets will need to hire a hair dresser. LOL
Thoughts:
If Jonas comes over this year, someone HAS to be moved. I’ll be upset if Special Ed/Amir are gone and Bargs is kept but Ed Davis has the highest value.
If Jonas stays in Europe, I worry that BC will feel like he needs to keep Bargs….
I Doubt That Ed Or Amir Will Be Traded
at least not for a couple of seasons.
Barney is gone. It is only a matter of time.
I agree with you on the surface, but the Bargs love-fest during the Dwane Casey intro press conference has me worried
PR
…explains the ’lovefest’’. You can’t bitch about a guy in public when you want to move him on.
by CamHilton on Jun 23, 2011 9:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But you could just not mention him right?
Just like they avoided mentioning Ed Davis the entire time
Bargs...
is the face of the team (like it or not), so hard to avoid talking about him. Davis isn’t nearly as polarizing.
by CamHilton on Jun 23, 2011 10:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I get your point
I just thought it was a bit over the top
Wait
Andrea will either put up or shut up. Casey is not patient and if he sees what many on this site have seen in terms of effort from Andrea, Casey will have a decision to make; sit him or live with it. He seems like the type of guy who would live with it.
The only problem in this scenario is that suddenly Andrea’s trade value plummets (from a 21 point scorer to a player that his team doesn’t want). Until Andrea goes, I wish the rest of the league to see him in the best light possible.
by defensive rap on Jun 24, 2011 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
not live with it
typo sorry, very clearly I mean to say Casey won’t put up with Andrea’s weak eefort for very long.
by defensive rap on Jun 24, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Swimming with the Sharks
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Bargs will be here, and Amir could be moved for SF / PG / Bench help.
4 Bigs – 3 defensive types & 1 offensive – means that value in a trade (if you want to get something decent back) suggests good return value for a guy like Amir with a decent contract. Perfect option for a Contending team needing a hustling Big off the Bench, who brings defense (and some scoring), and who’s not an enigma at the FT line. Trade deadline bait – for a draft pick or role player that fits another spot in Raptor line-up.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Little chance
…that Ed or Amir go before Bargs does. Bargs has already killed two coaches and had a turn driving the bus. Can’t see him sticking around now.
by CamHilton on Jun 23, 2011 9:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's to another....
Top 5 Euro who is rail thin and not overly athletic who we have to wait on for another year. yay.
The rich get richer -__-
Jordan Hamilton and Marshon Brooks
Darn boston just blew it. They wont win anything for 20 years. How dare you trade the next KObe for a bum
decent pick
i really wanted kemba, but oh well
by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 23, 2011 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
More i read more im liking this pick !
Jonas Valanciunas: 6’11", 240lbs, Lietuvos Rytas, 19 yrs old
Jonas is a project which could potentially take 2-3 years to develop, but the risk is minimal. Very solid at finishing around the basket, on putbacks, dump-off passes, or the pick & roll. Does not have a good post game, where you can dump the ball into him and let him attack one-on-one, but has shown both growth and promise in that area, and should only improve. Does not have an away from the basket, or face up game at this time. However, he shoots an extremely impressive 91% from the free throw line, with above average shooting machanics, which leads many to believe it is only a matter of time until he becomes a threat away from the basket.
Jonas will be able to contribute immediately on the defensive end, and on the glass. There are not many centers in the NBA with his combination of size, athletic ability, fluidity, and motor. He still needs to add strength, which will negate some of his effect at this level until he grows into his body, but only recently turned 19, and is beginning to fill out.
The NBA player he reminds most of is Noah. Both are extremely active around the basket, on both ends of the floor, bring many intangibles to the court, yet don’t contribute much offensively unless it is a putback, or a dump-off in the paint. However, Jonas has great hands, and will be more of a pick & roll threat than Noah.
Another player Jonas is commonly compared to is Biedrins. Both are active around the basket, just like Noah, contest/alter shots, and can finish in the paint. That is where the comparisons end, as Jonas has much more upside than Biedrins on the offensive end. Again, Jonas shoots 91% from the free throw line, while Biedrens is lucky to hit 40%.
Most likely, you will see an Asik type contribution from Jonas as a rookie, unless he is drafted by a team which can’t afford to bring him off the bench. He will contribute more than Asik on the offensive end, and is much more comfortable being on the receiving end of passes than Asik.
In 5 years, Jonas has the potential to be a top 10 center, above average defender and rebounder, while finishing more than 50% of his FGA.
Numbers in prime: 13-15ppg, 8-10 rpg, 1.8-2.5 bpg
Acronym for RAPTORS = RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally
by RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally on Jun 23, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions
The above scouting report is saying NOAH comparison
What you guys think of the Noah comparison ?
Acronym for RAPTORS = RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally
by RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally on Jun 23, 2011 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
so the question remains
why go out and get someone “like” Amir, when you have Amir? and you still need players at a variety of other postions
I’m sorry I hope I’m wrong on this but I see a lot more ErIck Montros, Cole Aldridge, Andres Biedrans than I do Noah…
by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 10:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Clueless
How many games have you actually watched him play?
Don’t bother to answer. I know the answer based upon your post. ZERO
LOL I’ve watched the same you tube mixes you have Buddah……
by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
KAAAAAAAAAAHN!!!!
Did that crazy mo fo just trade for ANOTHER POINT GUARD!?!?!!?
by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 10:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Malcolm Lee and Tyler Honeycutt Still On The Board
Would love to see the Raptors get Lee in the second round. It would take a trade.
Good for Corey!
His gamble paid off and got the guaranteed contract in the first. Plus he goes to a GREAT organization!
by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 10:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lot's of talent still available
Honeycutt, Lee, Selby, Harper, Trey Thompkins, travis Leslie etc…
Selby Had A Rough Go Last Season
However I liked him as much as Irving in High School – LOL
now that corey is going to the spurs
that trade that the spurs did getting rid of hill makes more sense now…corey is for sure going to get playing time now.
Come on BC
do something special here. trade alabi for a 2nd rounder. something, anything.
Minnesota is a joke
Kahn is just screwing around for the hell of it. Is the timberwolves owner Taylor reatrded ofr keeping Kahn around.
He just traded a 28 for a 31 and a future 2nd rounder for a team that is definitely a 55 to 60 win team…. What is the logic!!!!
by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess...
He doesn’t have to pay the guaranteed salary – but still the guy is a crackhead.
WWWWTTTTTFFFFF
Someone take the phone away from Khan!!! He’s off his meds!
by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 10:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Rich get Richer
Rudy Fernandez to MAVS:
Mavs are trading No. 26 to Portland to acquire Rudy Fernandez, with Portland moving the pick on to Denver in the Miller/Felton deal
if that's what it is...
then denver did well landing Faried and Jordan that late. How come everyone else can do this except for BC.
If You Think He Has Charisma - That Is Your Choice
Lot of people think that Manson has charisma too, not that Silver is a murderer, just saying
the trades are coming in now
come on bc gotta try and get in the action now
I can't even keep up
Every pick is seemingly for someone else.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
Except the Raptors!!
Yet the TPE and Bargnani continue to rot….
by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thats what that stench is… I thought it was just Bargnani’s game
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya that stink is a rotting, year old, about to expire TPE and a five year old bag of rotting primo pasta.
by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 10:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Love it.
Solid draft by the Pistons.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I would if I were them
excellent value this late
Love to grab them…wait…Honeycutt just went.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Bryan, pick up the phone and pick up Travis Leslie to backup DeMar...
Unless you’re re-signing Weems, in which case, DON’T RE-SIGN WEEMS!!!
"the Truth"
I hope the raps trade for a 2nd rounder to get...
Darius Morris – best passing guard in the draft and he’s 6’5.
Honeycutt to Kings
Now we just have to get the Kings to move Anaheim.
Right Now He is Too Skinny To Play Front Court In The NBA
Maybe the Kings will try and make him into a SG.
its kinda funny.
were always trying to get more players in the draft, because we always hope theyre going to be good. take for example soloman alabi from last draft, most were excited to have drafted him and traded a future 2nd for him, but nobody talks about him anymore. i know its fun make changes and getting new players but the rest of the players in the draft seem kinda…ehh. dont make a trade for the sake of making a trade. this draft is weak, i thought we all agreed but some here are being so critical of bc because he took the lithuanian over the congo man or even the sg in the pgs body, or are screaming for him to make a trade. next year at this time, most of those rookies arent even going to make much of an impact in the league and then were on to get overly excited again for the new draft class. actually its ok to next season cause thats where the real talent is
Alabi
was apparently recovering from a knee problem, so the jury is still out on him (if this rumour is true).
by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say the jury is still out even if there was no knee injury
Everyone knew he was a project.
by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 10:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes - a project
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But the knee injury just delayed that jury. Leading to a potential problem for the Raptors – balancing decisions for the future with present day choices. All the while, on a BC time budget.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Every year...
Teams get great value in the draft and it just so happens some teams do it over and over (OKC, SA etc.. – all teams with great GM’s). BC just isn’t one of those guys. Regardless of the strength of the draft their is always value.
of course there is always value, but really how much of these players drafted actually do much in the league. only a few. the rest just dissapear. all im saying is we all get too overly excited about young new players but most just come and go. c’mon everyone is throwing out so many names that bc should pick up in the 2nd round, because we all think they CAN be good, but odds are they will be forgotten.
c’mon marshon brooks the next kobe? i dont know if that was a joke but i did laugh anyways
well..
in this draft if we could have snagged a 2’nd pick in the top 20 or so we would have gotten value.
by Oximusprime on Jun 23, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Raps starting lineup?
next year (assuming buyout)
Jonas
Bargnani
Kleiza
Demar
Calderon
one of these things is not like the other.. one of these things is kinda the same…..
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
Assuming buy-out
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Position – and Back-up
- PG – Pending (Calderon will probably be moved – where they get his replacement is another matter) – Bayless as back-up
- SG – Demar (with more defensive acumen) – Barbosa backing up
- SF – J Johnson – Back-up ….. somebody … anybody.
- PF – Andrea – Amir as backup
- C – Davis with JV as backup
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah...
Bayless / Pending
DeRozan / Weems
Johnson / Bargnani
Johnson / Evans
Davis / Valanciunas
…
2012 Lottery, here we come…
"the Truth"
Just listened to Casey on Fan590
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Bargs is going PF (Casey didn’t actually say that) – but it appears it’s his job to lose. That’s with JV as the “Chandler” solution. Casey equated the Dirk scenario to what the goal is with Andrea – albeit, understanding that Dirk is an MVP guy, and few compare to him.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A true Toronto sports fan
Stays with his(her) team through thick and thin. lol
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
might be moving to chicago
works out nice and convenient :)
I wonder if the Clippers need another fan. Yes that is how bad things are in Raptor land, even the Clippers have a brighter future than us right now.
Jonas Starting Ahead Of Amir and Even Davis
Sure you can bet on it.
LOL
Bye Bye Barngani
it was
sarcastic
I’d expect:
Amir
Bargs
JJ
Derozan
Calderon
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
great
looks a hell of a lot better than last year.
LOL, here let me shake it up so it looks better...
DeMar
James
Andrea
Amir
Jose…
Better yet?
How about:
J. Calderon
A. Bargnani
A. Johnson
D. DeRozan
J. Johnson
?
Which one looks better to you?
"the Truth"
How about...
Biyombo
Davis
JJ
Deroza
Kemba
Now that’s a team that will get up and down and defend.
How many fans would pay to watch us hold the opponents under 80 points per game and still lose?
"the Truth"
Come on
Would you rather see a Bargnani 3 when the game is out of reach or kemba crossing guys over throwing lobs to Bismack attack!
What happend to Josh selby, the kid should have stayed in school instead of trying to get a quick buck
Raps should make a move for Selby. If they didn’t have the one year rule the kid would have been a top 5 pick last year
by billsfan_905 on Jun 23, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes agreed. Not a thing teams want but I wouldn’t hesitate pulling the trigger this late. At this point even the baggage would be a steal
by billsfan_905 on Jun 23, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeremy Tyler
Used to be high risk high reward. Now just low risk high reward. Good value – see “Tea Time”
CFL
Yikes…draft losing steam…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Darius Morris, Lee and Selby
Suprised they slipping.
Love to see BC make a play for him.
COME ON.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Raps don’t like American players. Davis and Derozan were only pressure picks to prove they’re not racist
by billsfan_905 on Jun 23, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
BEST POST OF THE NIGHT!
ROFLMAO!
Thanks bro you made my night!
Lakers
Some of their back ups and young core are better than our starters:
Character
Devin Ebanks
Darius Morris
im happy
- homeboy tristan got picked 4th by cleveland meaning opportunity and history as top canadian picked
- toronto selected valanciunas, which im ok with as i didnt really find any other player that much better talent wise beside the players chosen top 2
- cory joseph is going to have success playing with a great organization
this is a good night
glad you are happy
it’s a great night for Canada – not so great for Raps.
i know your not happy about this selection. but if you think about it, i know you like the spurs gm because they always find talent as you mentioned above. remember the news how the spurs were trying to move up in the draft to take valanciunas. well, maybe, just maybe, theyre on to something and think that he may be actually good. id believe it as I too am a fan of the spurs’ selections. anways just trying to help you turn that frown, upside down. :)
thanks bro
I appreciate all the time you’ve taken to respond to my rants. I am sure I will be a lot happier the day JV lands, Bargs is traded and maybe BC is fired :)
Great readers
Just want to throw this out there – the HQ readers and commentators are BY FAR the most rationale out there.
On Twitter Raps fans are acting like Hoffa was taken again.
No one knows if Valanciunas will work out…but no one knows that Knight will either.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
Going to mention that tomorrow in the post actually.
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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
BIG TIME
It’s knucklehead city out there right now.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
But it’s just that with teams like Cleveland opting for both long term and immediate results it just makes the Raps pick look like they are standing idly by.
Absolutely – and there’s no question there’s a BIG risk with this pick, even outside of the “on court” side.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I like your even keeled approach...
a lot better than hot heads like me.
Utah
The Jazz were looking for an interior player as well and passed on JV for Kanter – just makes you wonder.
Jazz are looking stacked with young core:
Jefferson, Millsap, Haward, Favors, Kanter, Burks
I am liking a lot.
Kanter made sense for Utah
They got Okur as well (fellow Turk) as well as the fact that they probably didn’t want to deal with JV’s signing issues.
Wise Move
Valenciunas is a risky choice, but a good one. Anyone after 1 and 2 in this draft is X factor material. Bu Valnciunas looks to have what Raps need: D and rebounding. He’s the anti-Bargs. Given what’s available next year, drafting a guy who will have impact in 2-3 years makes sense. This was a reasonable move. Hope it works out.
Very well said
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
JUST TO BE CLEAR
I don’t mind JV as a player – I think he will be solid (not great) one day. I just don’t know if I am ok with the waiting process for a young, skinny, unproven Euro. Just feels like we are not making progress.
The biggest move we made was to get JT out of there and Casey in! If he does do what he says and changes the fundamental way the Dino’s approach playing the game… THAT is progress!
by Oximusprime on Jun 23, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually think a player in 2013 will be better
Andre Drummond is a beast.
Andre Drummond
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYlnK-kQuHA
Longer, better handle, Amare.
This is a great fact
and something that a lot of people keep ignoring.
Yep…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so I made a post a while back about the bleakness of being a Clippers fan...
Well, with Griffin, Thompkins and Leslie… I’m gonna start watching some of the “other” LA games…
"the Truth"
Me too…not to mention Gordon, Bledsoe, Al-Aminu…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Love to see the Raps get this 56th pick
Can the Lakers REALLY use all of these?
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
well if they trade for Iggy...
They need to match his salary so I hear Odom, Artest (err: Metta World Peace), and some others to make it work for Iggy in return. They will need to fill some spots
by Oximusprime on Jun 24, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
These last bunches of picks have killed me
I tweeted this already, but some of the footage recently has been off of Double Dribble I swear.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
WOW!
How the hell did the Spurs just get all that for George Hill.
No kidding eh?
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Kawhi Leonard and 2 others to Spurs for George Hill...
So the Spurs drafted 6 players in this draft and the Raptors 1?
I wonder why the Spurs have been i nthe playoffs 14 years straight?
"the Truth"
seriously
that is exactly my gripe with BC
Well, correction, the Spurs got 4 guys...
Kawhi Leonard 6’7" 225lbs
Cory Joseph 6’2" 183lbs
Davis Bertans 6’10" 210lbs
Adam Hanga 6’7" 200lbs
"the Truth"
nice haul
Leonard could have been the Raps #5 pick, and may play RJ right to the end of the bench.
Cory Joseph will be “the next Geroge Hill” for SA, which isn’t a bad thing for a #28 pick.
Davis Bertrans may never make the NBA, but he’s 18 and has a lot of nice dunks on his draft reel.
QUOTE
Recently this was said on SI.COM
One executive believes the 18-year-old Valanciunas, a 6-11, 240-pound center with the Lithuanian club Lietuvos Rytas, will emerge as the top pick.
“He’s the best thing I’ve seen out of that country since [Zydrunas] Ilgauskas,” the executive said. "He has a very good basketball IQ, he’s tough, he can score, and over the last two years he has made the kind of jump you’re looking for. He can shoot, but he can also be a traditional back-to-the-basket center, the way you like centers to be. He’s different from [the Raptors’ Andrea] Bargnani in that he’s a legitimate post player.’’
Acronym for RAPTORS = RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally
by RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally on Jun 24, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Couls also have said...
“He’s different from the Raptor’s Andrea Bargnani in that he’s a legitimate basketball player.”
"the Truth"
ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jun 24, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Got the quote above from Real GM Forums
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1090163
Acronym for RAPTORS = RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally
by RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally on Jun 24, 2011 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
And we're out...
Well kids, it’s been fun.
Pretty quiet from a Raptors’ standpoint, but a very interesting pick at 5, which we’ll break down in the AM.
Thanks so much to everyone for dropping by and chatting, always good times, lots of great discussion.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
Did you wait all the way until you knew you'd get the last word in here to post that? lol
I think you’ll be proven wrong over the next few years.
by Oximusprime on Jun 24, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Wish we drafted Biyombo
Higher ceiling and he can play next year.
Raptors to win NBA in 2years
yes they drafted VAl ooh yeah
by B-Rex(5) on Jun 23, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
hes the best player in the draft full stop
by B-Rex(5) on Jun 23, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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elephant shell
never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
I think Biedrins is good Compare for JV
A lot of people are saying Chandler, but Chandler took a very long time to be a good player.
fair enough
honestly watch his videos and tell me what you think.
I think he can dunk when he is open on the pick and roll and he tries to defend. Those are the positioves. I have a lot of negatives, but tell me what you think..
I think we just drafted the Euro Amir
having looked at video, that’s who he looks like to me. Not thrilled.
BC getting GRILLLED in the press conference!
People getting up in his face with the questions:
“How can you in good conscience make this pick with the season the raps just had”
or
“Didn’t you say the exact same thing last year at this time about the team going forward” LOL
He got killed.
BC the new David Kahn
Will have to deal with questions and buyout issues all year. He brought this on himself. Teams like the spurs could have waited for JV – but the raps. We needed to do better for both the long term good of the organization, but also the short term. Fans and PLAYERS cannot stand that much losing.
I think BC just signed his way out of town.
Which is funny, because NOT drafting JV was seen to be the "save my own skin for the detriment of the team" ... until the pick was announced...
Seems like Colangelo was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t…
Oh well, Bargnani karma…
"the Truth"
I think the problem people have with the pick is...
There is absolutely no short term gain with this pick. A guy like Biyombo or Kemba would have been good in the short term and in the long.
Why does everyone believe that you’ll just immediately get production from Biyombo or Kemba? That’s another assumption. And if their ceiling and what they can do is not the same as Jonas Valanciunas’, (ie lower), does that benefit our Raptors in the long term?
Once again, I ask of our fan base, does short term middling success equal “enough” for you? Or would you rather attempt to build something that will endure and challenge for the top of the East?
This pick may take longer to mature, but if the end result is a solid center, I think we should all think about enduring the short term pain.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jun 24, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
any draft pick
would have offered little to no short term benifit. If that player did, there is a good chance that player is on route to superstar status (think Griffon)
However, it would have given the Raps another young player to watch and hopefully develop sooner.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 24, 2011 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but that is why teams like the Spurs are better than the Raptors. At the end of the day what good would drafting a Knight or Biyombo do if they are out of the league in 2 years and JV is getting solid minutes somewhere. If JV plays 10 -12 years at 20-25 minutes a night on average then I say he is a sold pick even if we have to wait a year. If he ends up being a bust he is no different than most of the other players in the draft. Only time will tell but saying he is a bust already is just plain silly.
O sorry year.
But is he worth all those prospects? The Pacers traded alot and they are somewhat of in a rebuild, sorta haha
Andrea and JV
Well, the clock is ticking and this bomb needs to go off. The problem is if Casey plays Andrea and gets a lack of effort out of him, then he will bench him and then his trade value goes down. 95% chance
If Casey plays him and is able to make him work, then he’s a magician and Andrea may surprise most of us. 5% but it still exists. Andrea lacks effort, and that can be cultivated. Talent is harder to create, and he’s got enough talent.
JV is a great pick and by the time he lands he will be 7’0 and over 250 lbs. with high level experience of professional basketball in Europe. Andrea will either be better or gone and hopefully Bayless, Davis, JJ, Demar and Amir will start to really gel as a young unit.
Hoops
Relax. He’s 19 years old, he will be here soon, and we will see how we did.
I am high on the pick because he could be our core centre for the next ten years and two rings. Maybe he won’t be, but JV is a more proven asset than Bismack or Kanter any day of the week. He plays in the extremely competitive euro league and he plays meaningful minutes with a top team when he was 18 years old.
Biyombo may pan out and so might Kanter, but at least we got one of the best three big men in the draft and I would argue, given all the data on those three guys, we got the safest pick by far. We know more about him than the other two.
Defensive minded centre who is really young, plays efficient offence and can shoot fts at a high percentage….
haha
But it’s a new era in T Dot. Casey is here and defence matters.
Bayless, Demar, Amir, Davis, JV, JJ, all have a chance of being great defenders in the NBA.
If that is true, we are finally on track and Andrea can no longer hide from his deficiencies. It’s time to put up or ship out.
No more Pizza
Hopefully two thing will happen this year at home games. We will get less pizza and more victories.
Beasley for Andrea
Could we use our TPE to do this deal straight up?
Could we take Luke and Beasley for Andrea?
Luke gives us a backup of for Bayless and frees us up to move Jose.
Beasley competes with JJ straight up for the starting 3 (probably good for both of them)
And Man, I can’t wait till JV is fully grown (7’0" and 265 lbs) and he arrives in Toronto to stand beside Ed Davis who will be adding a tremendous amount of muscle mass this summer. Amir as the backup big, Bayless developing into a star pg, Demar all star, JJ big impact player…….
Strange sidebar; It seems like everyone on this site hates Kleiza and I cannot claim to be a fan. But is it not possible that if he is healthy, he can play well? Off the bench? I remember how well he played “sometimes” in Denver and at the worlds, so why can’t he come in rejuvenated and hungry to revive his career and have a positive impact as a backup 3. As much as I like JJ, and I do, a lot, if he flames out a bit it may Linas that needs to step up and I give him a chance to do so. It’s against the odds, but I can still see him being somewhat useful.
Something Occured to me this morning
What if JV’s selection had nothing to do with talent but he was drafted specifically because the team will not have to pay him for another year or two? We have heard rumours that the Raptors might be transitioning their ownership and teams usually do not like taking on long term commitments when they are doing that. Think about it, the team picks up an asset for any potential new owner but the new owner doesn’t even have to pay for it if they do not want to.
Something to ponder.
Maybe
That might have factored into the thinking a tiny bit, but the $3-5M of JV’s salary is a rounding error in the over MLSE sale process.
I would think the thought process was:
98% who is the best pick? (potential, fit, attitude, etc…)
2% does this save us money in the short term?
CONTENT!!! ARTICLE!!
Raptors HQ, you need to feed the beast this morning!
I had to resort to reading Doug Smith! Ahhhhhhh! LOL
Apparently there was a press conferance this morning?
Anyone have a link??
Oh really?
Just check Raptors.com in a couple of hours
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