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Final Thoughts on the 2011 NBA Draft for the Toronto Raptors


The HQ takes a final look at the Raptors' options before tonight's NBA Draft...

Star-divide

Here we go.

In about 10 hours we'll find out who the newest member of the Toronto Raptors is.

Last night ESPN.com posted that the Raps had narrowed their list of options to four, Brandon Knight, Bismack Biyombo, Kawhi Leonard and Jonas Valanciunas, a list that makes a lot of sense based on recent rumours and rumblings.

Of that four, who's the top choice?

Well I've been saying Knight for a while here and I don't think there's any reason to change that, but if for some reason he's off the board when Toronto picks, I think Biyombo becomes Plan B, followed by Leonard and then Valanciunas.

In his latest mock draft for Yahoo Sports, Draftexpress' Jonathan Givony reinforces this by saying that while Knight's been the top choice for TO all along, Biyombo made a late run when it seemed that Knight would be off the board when Toronto was making their choice.

Now that it seems Knight will still be around...

I'm still not sold on Biyombo as an option this high in the draft, and would prefer Leonard, but I do understand where Colangelo is going here.  He seems to be "all in" so to speak in the "improve the team's defence game of poker."

And while it's easy to see Biyombo as a potential bust, we are talking about a player who played in essentially the top league outside of the NBA last year, and who had an impact in limited minutes.  He might be raw, but I'd argue that he's in many ways a safer pick than Kanter, considering Kanter's lack of you know, "real playing time" the past two years.

In some ways he might even be a safer pick than Brandon Knight, a player who has tons of upside, but no sure-fire translatable NBA skill set beyond 3 point shooting.  (And even in this case he's no Jon Diebler.)  Biyombo on the other hand has excellent per-minute rebounding and shot-blocking metrics, something that translate very well at the next level.

And what of Valanciunas?

If it wasn't for the buy-out situation, he'd be my favourite option for Toronto of the four, period.  I think when all is said and done, he'll be the best of this quartet, and regardless of his availability next season, he makes the most long-term sense.

Under this scenario, Toronto therefore relies on free-agency next year to make a few subtle improvements, as well as Dwane Casey's defensive philosophies, and then the following season, presumably after another 30ish win year, the Raps get a shot at a much more talented draft pool, bring Valanciunas over, and then really make a jump in the standings.

But, I realize that scenario is about as likely as Kyrie Irving not going number one overall tonight.

In addition, if the Raps select a foreign player like Valanciunas or Kanter and things don't work out?

That's a topic that was recently addressed by our media round table when I asked them what Bryan Colangelo's draft strategy should be tonight...

1. Raptors HQ: You're Bryan Colangelo. You've just been awarded an extension that provides some breathing room, however you're arguably on a bit of a short leash and now must try and hit at least a double with the fifth overall draft pick. What's your draft strategy and which player would you then choose?

Tim Chisholm - TSN.ca: Of all of the draft's that Bryan Colangelo has overseen as GM of the Raptors, I'd say that this one requires more actual 'strategy' than all of the others - even the one that netted them Andrea Bargnani. The combination of the weakness of the draft, the high selection and need to add legit talent to a very young core make for a hard upcoming draft night for Colangelo and co.

The first big thing they need to do is take a long, hard look at their European options. Why is that first? Because there is an added pressure that gets applied if they ultimately decide to go that route. If the Raptors take Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight and they bust, fans will shake their heads but blame the player more than the GM. If the Raptors take Jonas Valanciunas, Jan Vesely or Enes Kanter and they bust, though, the fans will be coming for Colangelo's head.

After Bargnani, Hedo Turkoglu and Linas Kleiza, the Raptors organization is running low on fan collateral when it comes to European imports. That isn't to say that they shouldn't draft one ofthose three, it's just that if they do they had better know that the risks involved stretch muchfarther than the ramifications on the court. A cynical fan base can only be pushed so far before they turn into an apathetic fan base, and the Raptors would be dancing pretty close to that line if another uninspiring European player becomes Colangelo's new pet project.

I say, though, that none of those three even address the most glaring hole on the roster, and that is the point guard position. Jose Calderon did yeoman's work this season trying to make a tremendously inexperienced core function, but these Young Gunz need a point guard to call their own. For me, that reduces Toronto's draft to Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker. If he's available, the smart money is on Knight. While he's a lot less developed than Walker, and may never completely learn the position, his ability to defend and hit the three, combined with his room for growth, make him a fairly smart pick. There is a chance that Utah snatches him at three, but if he's available at five there is a lot of logic behind making him the Raptors' pick, and I believe that is where the team is currently leaning.

That said, I have - and continue to - bang the drum for Kemba in the upcoming draft. While his upside may not match Knight's, I believe what he brings today is a lot easier to bank on than Knight's potential (a sentiment that could easily come back to bite me in the ass). Kemba has defense-shifting speed, a stellar ability to finish at the rim and his improved jumper this season made him impossible to defend at UConn. It's his leadership, though, that really impresses me. He possesses the kind of natural leadership that you simply can't teach a player to have (see: Bosh, Chris). If the point guard is meant to be the unifying force to an NBA offense, then Kemba is perfectly suited to lead this young core of DeMar DeRozan, Ed Davis, Amir Johnson and Jerryd Bayless. His ability to create shots is a useful asset to the Raptors, but I believe what he brings intangibly will help the team even more. He's not a perfect pick, but no one in this draft is. This is not the kind of draft where people should be falling in love with anyone because every player has major drawbacks, but at five I think Kemba has a comfortable enough balance of strengths and weaknesses that make him an ideal pick for Toronto.

Zack Cooper - Fan590: I would agree with Tim, in that there's probably a good chunk of added pressure on Bryan Colangelo to make some magic with that 5th pick.

It shant be easy, and there's no doubt that if he goes by way of the Euro, he better be right. I think that's a theme that's certainly been explored, but not highlighted enough. Hosting Raptors post-game shows on The FAN590, I've heard "we need more NORTH AMERICAN players" to no end. There's a lot of pent up aggression surrounding the make-up of this team that Colangelo's built and it seems to center around the ideology that European players can't (or do) play a certain way.

We don't need to get into that debate at this point... but based on what I've read, the European guys that Chisholm mentioned don't seem to fit the typical "Euro mold." Obviously I don't know too much about these guys, so I'm not nearly ready to suggest he go for one, or any, of them. But beside this, I am a big proponent of addressing the need for a young, athletic, point guardto run the show for the future.

I, like many, fell in love with Kemba Walker's game during the spring. What he was able to do with the UConn team, and how he was able to do it, was utterly impressive. I don't share the concerns of many regarding his size (or lack there of) - we've seen many successful 6-foot guards in the past - but I am nervous that he could perhaps turn into a Ben Gordon-type player; an offensive force in the college game (who just happened to go to the same school) who can't quite get back to his dominant ways at the pro level. I think Walker did an admirable job distributing when he had to, but it was clearly his second option.  I could see myself being happy with Kemba donning Raptors' red... but over the last little while I think I've swayed toward Brandon Knight.

I don't put too much stock in the fact that he's younger (unless he's a lifer on the same team, it matters little), but while I under-sold Kemba's height, I think Knight's 6'3" frame is one that helps him out greatly on the defensive end. I like his range (the Raptors were missing Calderon's once-reliable 3-ball), and his tendency to look for others first... and to me, that's the clincher.

I want the Raptors to have a young point guard who first finds others, and looks to himself next. We've seen the high-fliers on this Raptors team. They can get up...but when they have to get back, I have more faith that Knight will be there.

Ryan Wolstat - Toronto Sun - I agree with the general sentiment so far that taking a European player would be an incredibly gutsy move by Bryan Colangelo.

The fanbase might go into full revolt after the Hoffa horror, Turkoglu disaster and the ill-fated Bargnani era.

That said, if Enes Kanter is on the board, it would be hard to pass. Sure the initial reaction would be over the top, but once people see Kanter play, they will quickly quiet down. While I'm not sure he'll be able to play centre in the NBA because of his lack of mobility and height, I do believe he will be a solid player. He is very skilled, plays extremely hard with an edge and is fundamentally sound.

I believe the other Europeans are too risky and will take too much time, but Kanter has to be a serious option, despite the immediate fire Colangelo would come over if he takes him.  

The only other player (besides Irving and Williams who will be gone) I really like is Brandon Knight. I do not share the love for Kemba Walker, I have a ton of concerns about his effectiveness at the NBA level. Knight has some flaws as well and I hated him in high school, but he improved probably as much as anybody but Derrick Williams in the past year as a prospect. Knight might not be a traditional point guard, but he's more of one than Walker. He's also bigger, defends better, has a more consistent jumper and is almost as quick and deadly in the clutch.

I see Walker as a poor man's Allen Iverson (not near the freak athlete AI was coming out of Georgetown). Having seen him live a couple of times in Houston and many times on television I have never been impressed with his shooting or passing ability. He is not a consistent shooter nor is he a point guard. There is nothing wrong with Aaron Brooks-type guards, but at the fifth pick, he'd be a little rich for my blood, especially with combo guards Jerryd Bayless and Leandro Barbosa already on the Raptors.

If Irving, Williams, Kanter and Knight are gone, I think very hard about trading the pick for a later one and something, or a pick in 2012, which should be one of the best drafts in years.

Tom Liston - RaptorsRepublic: I think Tim said it best:

"If the Raptors take Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight and they bust, fans will shake their heads but blame the player more than the GM".

I've been back and forth between "safer, less upside" and gamble picks. The #5 pick in a weak draft means expectations are lower. Perhaps this is the time to gamble on Knight's upside and look like a hero. While Knight has a low point-per-play ratio (0.92), TS% of 55% (bottom half) and mediocre Assist-to-Turnover ratio (1.33), Raptors Republic's own phd steve properly points out that "what is often overlooked was that the Kentucky team that Knight was asked to lead had lost five, yes five players, to the NBA draft last year, all of whom were drafted in the first round." However, his second worst (out of all first round prospects) Win Score per 40 is hard to ignore. Walker has nearly identical Assists per 40 (pace adjusted) numbers as Knight, but rebounds better, has almost 3x the steals and 1/3 less turnovers (all per 40, pace adjusted). Knight, however, it a better 3 point shooter, something the Raptors desperately need.

I'm intrigued by Kawhi Leonard due to our desperate need for wing defense (though James Johnson was doing a reasonable job late in the season). However, I remained concerned about his lack of scoring efficiency (second worse TS% of first round prospects). It's enough for me to say "pass". Enes Kanter? I'm assuming he won't be available. If he is, I'd explore trade value,but likely take him regardless.

Most likely scenario if I had the choice? Take the slightly safer bet - Walker over Knight and also aggressively look to buy a late 1st rounder (or early second) to pick up Justin Harper, who's currently pegged at 28th on DraftExpress' board. He's just behind Irving and Williams in points per play. He's a good shooter and has a 6'11.75″ wingspan. Shoots 4th best from deep (45%) of all the prospects. Players that stay four years are often ignored ("less upside"), but hence its an opportunity. Plus, I think buying a late 1st round pick will come quite cheap - a nearly "free look".  

Kemba, Kemba, Kemba, what happened?

Recent rumours have Walker falling in the draft, perhaps even out of the lottery and if I'm Bryan Colangelo, I keep a close eye on this situation.  If Walker does start to drop, I'm hoping BC does everything in his power to grab him.

Maybe Kemba isn't the next Chris Paul, but it's hard not to see his situation as being quite similar to other stud NCAA guards who were overlooked for "lack of upside" on draft day, who then became amazing value picks.  (Yes, I'm looking right at you Jameer Nelson and Ty Lawson.)  If I'm Toronto, I do what I can to get him in my backcourt should he tumble.

A few other players I'd like to see Bryan Colangelo keep an eye tonight as good "value" picks?

Jimmy Butler, Kenneth Faried, Nolan Smith, Tyler Honeycutt, Malcolm Lee, Norris Cole and JaJuan Johnson.

As most of you know, I'm a big proponent of grabbing high-value second round picks, so hopefully BC pulls something out of his hat tonight.  We'll keep this thread updated though as we did yesterday, regarding rumours and rumblings.

Finally, as we do every year, the HQ will be having an annual draft party this evening, starting at 6 PM, at the new Firkin on King.  Click on the link here for the address and info, but we invite all to stop by and join us as we see who Bryan Colangelo chooses with the fifth overall pick.

Poll
Assuming each is available at 5, which player should the Raptors select this evening?
Kawhi Leonard
44 votes
Brandon Knight
394 votes
Bismack Biyombo
53 votes
Kemba Walker
162 votes
Jan Vesely
6 votes
Jonas Valanciunas
175 votes
Tristan Thompson
15 votes
Enes Kanter
115 votes
Who Cares - None of these guys will make a difference
48 votes

1012 votes | Poll has closed

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I am starting to lean towards walker because of his short term potential. His leadership skills have been sorely lacking for almost the entirety of this franchise’s history and maybe adding someone like that is the way to go. If the rumours are true that he is falling out of the lottery and BC can secure a mid round pick before drafting begins then I say draft Leonard/Val and use the acquired pick to grab walker.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d be on board with this strategy big time. If the Raps came out of this draft with a proven college stud like Walker, and a big upside piece like Valanciunas or Biyombo, not too shabby.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Grabbing walker later is fine. But grab Biyombo not Lenoard at 5. I have Leonard being the biggest bust of the top 10 picks.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Draft Board

Based on the four players the Raps have zeroed in on, here’s my list:

1. Valanciunas
2. Leonard
3. Biyombo
4. Knight

1. Valanciunas should probably be at the top of the list based on the long-term needs of the franchise (statistical comparisons to Dwight Howard and Tyson Chandler are intriguing). But he’s probably fourth on Colangelo’s list thanks to the very short leash created by the two-year extension. Self-interest trumps what’s best for the organization.

2. Leonard is probably the safest play. The statistical comparison to Joe Johnson might not hold water once he reaches the pros. But you’ll get strong rebounding and defence from the SF position. And it will allow James Johnson to move to the bench where he belongs.

3. Biyombo is the ultimate roll of the dice. Boom or bust. You get the next Ben Wallace or Serge Ibaka achoring your defence for the next decade. Or you’ve got the next Hasheem Thabeet plying his trade in the D League a year from now. The outcome of this pick could seal Colangelo’s fate in Toronto.

4. I really hope the Utah Jazz select Brandon Knight at #3. That way, you remove the temptation for Colangelo to draft a Jerryd Bayless clone. You have to ignore a mountain of statistical evidence while taking a great leap of faith to pick Knight in the Lottery. You’re relying on his “one-and-done” status and the “Kentucky effect” (think Rajon Rondo) in order to ignore those stats. The difference being that Rondo was drafted much later in the first round, so you can take those type of chances. This is the fifth pick we are talking about. In the real world, Knight is probably a combo guard / 3rd guard off the bench.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2011 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Here are my picks

In order:

1) Williams (I can dream, can’t I?)
2) Irving (still dreaming)
3) Kanter
4) Knight
5) Biyombo

Depending who we get, I would try to buy back in the draft and pick up Walker with a late lottery pick.

I’m not sold on Valanciunas and don’t see what Leonard gives us that we don’t have with James.

by Zona. on Jun 23, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

James Johnson is a backup. The only position the Raptors arguably have any talent at is PF (Ed Davis and Amir Johnson… no, I am not including Bargnani). Raps need to draft the best available talent tonight instead of pretending that marginal talents like James Johnson and Jerryd Bayless are starter caliber.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never said JJ was a starter

My point stands:

don’t see what Leonard gives us that we don’t have with James

by Zona. on Jun 23, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t think Leonard has more skill and upside than James Johnson? Really?!

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't

I never understood the buzz about him.

There is a reason Draft Express has him going 14th in a weak draft.

His profile strongly indicates that he’s destined to play a complimentary role in the NBA

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kawhi-Leonard-5821/#ixzz1Q6zlSt76
http://www.draftexpress.com

So his upside is to be a complementary player. Umm, no thanks. We have a pretty good one right now with JJ.

Read both his profile and JJs at Draft Express and you tell me which sounds better at the same point in their careers.

by Zona. on Jun 23, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kawhi Leonard-what does he bring, that JJ dosen?

Can James Johnson play 48 mins of the kind of D Casey will demand? If not what SF that the Raps now have will take some of the 48mins of D?,

by Johnn19 on Jun 23, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

and I assume it was an oversight not to include DD on your list of talented players.

by Zona. on Jun 23, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless he adds a three-point shot and some ability to play defence…

I’m not a DeRozan fan. I think SG remains a massive hole for the Raps – but I’m willing to give DeRozan this season to show some improvement (beyond increased usage).

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amen. Wasted pick in my books, especially in light of what was at stake at the time.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am not convinced that Johnson is a true starter unless he is surrounded by two all-stars. Davis might be a starter one day but it is still too early to say for sure. Realistically, I just do not see any legit starters on a championship team sitting on the Raptor roster currently. I think Davis and Johnson might get sig minutes on such a team but I do not think they are your desired starters.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Legit Starters

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I never get this perspective about who can start, and who has potential to start – as seen from a Championship persona. We were 3rd last, and while injuries may have lost us a number of games, to cast aside players because they’re “doubtful” starters, just strikes me as looking too far ahead.

This is not a car that can go from 0 – 60 in a few seconds. Raptors have to land in the play-offs first, then adjust their player personnel based on what’s happening at that point in time.
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As for Ed Davis, he’s a young talent that I see great upside to. More so that I see with Demar – at this point – not that I would take anything away from DD. Our SG needs to develop a 3 point shot.

Davis on the other hand, needs to get stronger and bigger, and being as I doubt we’ll get a defensive Centre in the near future, I’d be okay with trying him at the 5 spot. To me, Ed would be my first choice. His father promised an extra 20 pounds by the start of the season, so who knows how that will play out.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

My list

assuming Williams and Irving are gone before the 5th pick:

1) Kanter
2) Biyombo
3) Walker
4) Knight
5) Val
6) trade down

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note to all

The Raptors are picking 5th. Therefore, it’s pointless to have a list that goes beyond #5.

by Zona. on Jun 23, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

 I do think biyombo is a risk at 5 but I do not think he will be as bad as thabeet. He is bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic. Thabeet was taller thats it, and with bb wingspan, even thats a close one. I just think bismack will suck on offense and probably be a poor free throw shooter

by bylowe1 on Jun 23, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of what Mr Defensive Stance is saying

That calls for some BBQ. Or, even more timely, Wild Wings!
Raptors currently have 9 players uner contract for next season. 3 are bigs: Bargnani (please let him be traded!), Davis, and Amir Johnson. 4 are guards: DeRozan, Barbosa (please let him opt out!), Calderon, and Bayless. 2 are 8th man calibre tweeners: Kleiza – who is out until around the All Star game, assuming there is one in a lockout shortened year – and James Johnson (aka Kleiza in training).
The sexiest picks would be Kanter, Valanciunas, or Biyombo. Kanter didn’t play this past season, at a critical time in his development, and w’ont be there at 5th, anyways. Valanciunas has to play in Europe next season, and the Raps need help immediately. Biyombo is a high-risk, high-reward guy, who may have a bad back and be 4 years older than his birth certificate says. He’s a Casey kind of guy with his defence.
The most skilled guys who will available at the 5th spot are PG’s, but we have some of those, and we don’t have SF’s.
My wish is for us to trade down with Sacramento to 7th and 35th, draft Leonard and Cory Joseph, dumping Bargs on the Kings for Thompson and Whiteside (since there is no way they will part with Casspi), sign a veteran C (as well as hopefully Barbosa’s replacement!) over the Summer, re-sign Weems for the minimum, and hope we can get back to 30 wins next year.
And, before anybody disagrees with my idle speculations, remember, as Jesse ‘The Body’ always said, you are entitled to my opinion!

by PConn on Jun 23, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Knight. He may end up being the best player in this draft 5 or 6 years from now but it is a unnecessary risk in my mind.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interested to hear how the statistical corelation between Valanciunas and Howard/Chandler was constructed seeing as Howard and Chandler played highschool basketball only before the NBA and Valanciunas has been playing in the Lithuanian league. I would feel confident in saying that the type of games, competition etc. are worlds appart and therefore I’m dubious of this type of comparison. But would love the hear the argument.

by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes the Lith league is probably more challenging. High school basketball is hardly filled with superstars after all. College ball would be different.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won’t disagree with you. My point is that I’m struggling how you can make the comparison. It’s a bit of an apples to oranges comparison… But agian, would like to see the comparison before I make a final judgement.

by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who compared him to D12?

Val is a skinny little toothpick who can’t jump and gets all his points off slipping on pick and rolls. He’s also a hard worker and will fight for rebounds;but, is nothing at all like Howard or Chandler. More like a skinny Noah.

by Zack Hendo on Jun 24, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colangelo Extension

But he’s probably fourth on Colangelo’s list thanks to the very short leash created by the two-year extension

I’ve said before that I thought the extension should’ve been 3 years, with a team option for the 4th year. A 2 year extension could turn out to really be 1 year or 1&1/2 years, depending on the CBA scenario. That to me, changes the dynamics of BC’s foray into this draft, where the pressure is to get quicker results.
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As for draft picks, I’m torn between Walker and Leonard. I still believe we need to address our PG situation – as I’m not a big fan of Bayless – but at the same time, I’d rather we not start the season with only JJ.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jun 23, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great points on the Colangelo extension. The Raps may have hurt themselves long-term by only guaranteeing two years.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really should have been an all-or-nothing situation – half-measures are the worst case.

by dhackett1565 on Jun 23, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ooooh – good question.

Anyone have thoughts? Maybe NBA.com? Or one of the usual streaming sites? Justin.TV?

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I THINK I read one of the Raptors.com bloggers mention it would be streamed on the website, but I’m skeptical.

by HDave on Jun 23, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

 I have a gut feeling with the hiring of casey that they will draft biyombo. Colangelo may believe under casey that he might develop him into a defensive gem. Risky but he will average more rebs then bargnani, that is for sure!

by bylowe1 on Jun 23, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

If we are drafting for hardcore "True Grit" leadership type players...

I would say:

1.Biyombo
2.Walker
3.Valanciunas (lower because we don’t know if he will come this year or not)

If we are drafting for the best out there according to the poll list:

1.Knight
2.Valanciunas
3.Biyombo
4.Walker

by Arthur_Pewty on Jun 23, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I amazed

knight is so far ahead on that poll so far. And that Kemba has more votes than Kanter.

Again I have no idea what any of these player will become but my personal list:

1) Irving
2) Kanter
3) Williams
4) Val -assuming buyout is possible
5 & 6) Leonard and Boom-Bust (tied)
7) Kemba
8) Knight

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I am also amazed

We don’t need a PG anywhere nearly as badly as we need a big or SF who can rebound and play defense, and Knight isn’t even a real PG.

The nail in the coffin for me was when the Wages of Wins boys named Knight as one of the most over-rated draft prospects. HUGE red flag.

Crossing my fingers that Kanter or Valanciunas slips to 5, and barring that I hope we get either Leonard or Biyombo.

by CamHilton on Jun 23, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a fan of wages-of-whines but agree that knight has over rated writen all over him. I hope I am wrong though.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our PG is not in this draft

My pick would be Kawhi Leonard from SD. The kid will be a player on the defensive end of the things. Behind Irving and Williams he’s my # 3. And he should still be available,

by Tinmann on Jun 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Dave "Howland" Randell
Co-Creator of RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jun 23, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh. I hope like hell Williams is long gone as I hate tweener sf/pfs with a passion.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a great piece by Tom Haberstroh on ESPN.com right now (unfortunately, it’s Insider content) about height being overrated. Basically, you shouldn’t be concerned about a 6’8" forward… although there is a huge productivity bump for 6’10" small forwards who can shoot the rock.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the Doug:

But the one name I heard linked to these guys more than any other – and not just from people here, either – was Bismack Biyombo, the raw 19-year-old Congo kid.

Dougie thinks that if Knight is there, we take him, but if not, Biyombo is the pick. Whether this would mean a trade down or not is of course unclear.

http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/2011/06/big-day-is-here-who-knows-whats-going-to-happen.html

by dhackett1565 on Jun 23, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

And now Ford takes it a step further:

http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/30678/where-will-brandon-knight-land

The Raptors love Brandon Knight, but would they take Bismack Biyombo even if Knight is on the board at No. 5? I’m hearing it’s a real possibility.

Draft times are exciting times.

by dhackett1565 on Jun 23, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lock Out

What happens if there is no season? Do the Raptors pick 5th again next year? 3rd?

by Zona. on Jun 23, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Not defined – the league will have to come to an agreement with the teams and players at that time.

by dhackett1565 on Jun 23, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would suck not to have BBall for a year but it could work out rather well for us.

by Zona. on Jun 23, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they will have a total lottery with each team getting a ball. Wouldnt that be exciting.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what the NHL did.

by DW19 on Jun 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite – was weighted to favour teams base on playoff appearances over the previous 3 years. (0 playoff appearances = more balls, 3 = less, etc).

by dhackett1565 on Jun 23, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That approach would certainly help the Raptors chances! ;)

by DW19 on Jun 23, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what. As terible as it is to say, that might be the best case scenario for the Raps (no season, pick third)

by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you guys.

You have definitely made this draft as weak as you guys say it is a much more exciting than ever did in the past. I hope that they pick Valanciunas. If not Kanter or Biyombo.

by andrrres48 on Jun 23, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Kanter will be extremely pissed if he falls to 5...

He thinks he is the best player in the draft and his agent basically said that they have been made to expect that the Cavs are taking him first overall

If they don’t even take him with their 4th pick, he’ll be pissed…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jun 23, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Reasons For Drafting Knight Instead of Biyombo

1. BC wants to play it safe and not draft another Euro after the most recent Euro failures of Hedo and Linas to say nothing of Barney

2. The Raptors have decided to throw Bayless under the bus as a PG

3. Barbosa will not return and the Raptors think Bayless can play the #2 behind DeMar allowing Knight to backup Calderon at least initially.

4. Knight is a KY guy like Casey.

5. BC and Triano are somehow convinced that Amir and/or Ed can cover Barney’s butt on defense

6. The Raptors will resign Reggie who previously played for three seasons at Seattle when Casey was an assistant coach there and start him next to Barney.

7. If Casey can’t work wonders with Barney’s rebounding and defense BC and Triano think that Amir and Ed can start together effectively with Barney coming off the bench. Casey wouldn’t have enough knowledge about Amir and Ed’s games at this point to have good input on this

8. BC still thinks he can trade Calderon for a Chandler like big.

9. BC and Casey are willing to go with two PGs; i.e., Bayless and Knight who have a combined NBA total of less than 50 NBA starts if BC can move Calderon

10. Biyombo has a history of back problems, specifically a previous herniated disk

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

4. Knight is a KY guy like Casey.

So many jokes there…

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He Is

Nothing funny about it at all.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he is referring to the “jelly”. Good catch DS :)

by Assistant GM on Jun 23, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Catch and Jelly in the same sentence. This site gets better and better.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biyombo Now In Green Room - Enough Lottery Teams Showing Interest

ESPNAndyKatz Andy Katz
Bismack Biyombo now invited to the green room, which means the league considers him lottery.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Bismack

My only concern I have with the man from the Congo is that his offensive game is pretty limited but he can rebound ,hustle and block shots….wouldn’t that make him Regie Evans ?

by d279 on Jun 23, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Only cheaper and younger. Evans has no upside left where as Biyombo at least has the hope he can play offense some day.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Biyombo's Offense Is Ahead of Where Dwight's Was At The Same Age

Also Biyombo did not starting playing organized basketball until high school

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that Biyombo has played a full season in one of the top league’s outside the NBA, having an impact too. Howard beat up on high school kids pre-draft.

Not to say Biyombo is the next Howard at all, but I feel a lot more secure taking Biyombo than say a guy like Thabeet.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

From What I Have Seen Of Biyombo

He is quicker than Howard which leads to me to believe that he could be better in defending the P & R, hedging and in weak side defense.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biyombo's arms.

7’7 wingspan doesn’t come often.
You can fit Manute Bol in there.

I’m sold.

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Resaons For Drafting Biyombo Rather Than Knight

1. BC is serious about adding available talent to help defend the paint

2. BC, Casey and Triano think that Bayless can be the PG that they want.

3. BC is willing to risk another failed foreign player this one from the Congo

4. Knight is not on the board at #5 and neither are Valanciunas or Kantor

5. BC and Triano don’t see Amir and Ed starting if Casey can’t get Barney to rebound and play defense.

6. The Raptors fans will love Biyombo’s energy, defense, rebounding, shot blocking and dunks

7. BC and Casey aren’t concerned about Biyombo’s back

8. BC will not re-sign Reggie

9. BC and Casey have decided not to try and trade Calderon for a Big

10. BC and Casey really want the Raptors to win

 

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

If Knight Is Not On The Board At #5 and Neither Are Kanter Or Valanciunas

that means that Williams will be.

Biyombo ahead of Williams? No way

4. Should have said that if Knight is not on the board at #5 then BC prefers Biyombo to Kanter or Valanciunas since one of them will be there at #5 along with Biyombo if Knight is not there at #5

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, if point number 2 is true then wouldn’t drafting Knight make sense? I mean they are considered the same player.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talk About Shaking Things Up - Holy Smokers

nbadraftnet NBADraft.net
We hear there is a 3 team deal in the works with Utah moving to 2 Wash to 3 and Minn moving down to 6 #NBAdraft. Players will be involved

That would make the team draft order

1. Cavs
2. Jazz
3. Wiz
4. Cavs
5. Raptors

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Doesn't that almost guarantee Knight will still be on the board when the Raps pick?

Cavs – Irving
Jazz – Williams
Wiz – Already have John Wall
Cavs- Just picked irving

by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

If trade happens,

Kanter looks good in Wizards uniform.

They can trade McGee to highest bidder.

John Wall and Kanter is a solid young core.

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

and,

4th – JV
5th – knight

Raptors get the their player.

BC will be applaude if he can get a second 1st round for Biyombo.

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walker Vs. Knight

I’m not advocating for either player here, but I’ve seen a lot of deep statistical analysis of the two over the last few days and I think we all need to remember that this has to be qualified with age and experience. Knight is the youngest player in the draft and was in his freshman season at Kentuky while Walker is nearly 3 years older and in his Junior season at UCON. So aren’t Walker’s advanced stats SUPOSED to be significantly better? I question putting a lot of value into their advanced stats for that reason and it really comes down to projections (i.e. where do you project Knight to be based on his advanced stats as apposed to comparing his advanced stats to Walker).

by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Walker May Not Even Be A Lottery Pick

Jimmer vs Knight is a better comparison.

But thanks for posting your Walker vs Knight opinion.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't an opinion on Knight vs. Walker

Simply questioning the way they are being compared.

by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cavs Looking To Get Another Lotter Pick

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Draft Buzz: Cavs trying to get a third lottery pick. Offering to take back a bad deal. Kings & Pistons are targets. espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/…
 

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

"Offering to take back a bad deal"

This has Bargnani written all over it : )

by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha

But seriously, if the Cavs could emerge from this draft with Irving, Valanciunas and Faried, they’d have to be considered the big winners. With a third lottery pick, I would reach for Faried over some of the other names out there.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have the 1st and 4th picks in a two player draft. They’re already the big winners of… DRAFTPOCALYPSE.

by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, if you can call being in Cleveland winning for anyone.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Could Work For Them

Trade Hickson, which they are interested in doing and have Varejao come off the bench.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

O/T - A Little Known Fact About Amir and His Defense

Amir has been in the league for six seasons though he has really only played in the last four.

Amir as everyone knows is a PF and not a Center.

Amir’s defense, notwithstanding his foul problems is pretty good at PF.

What is little known about Amir on defense is that:

Amir has yet to play with a Center or a Center who can/could play defense

In Detroit he was mostly paired with Sheed and Maxiell two PFs

In Toronto he has played next to Bosh, Bargnani, Evans and Davis. Of that group only Bargnani could be considered a Center but he can not defend.

I keep waiting for the day that we can see how good Amri’s defense would be if he was paired with a Center who can defend the paint.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Amir and Sheed

Sheed while not a Center was still a pretty good defender when he played for the Pistons.

When Amir did pair with Sheed opposing teams found it very very difficult to score on the Pistons especially in the paint.

I would love to see an Amir and Biyombo pairing or even and Ed and Biyombo pairing.

Block City at the ACC.

The ACC will need to add a “Blockometer” LOL

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well known fact about Amir. He fouls too much.

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually That Is A Bit Of A Fallacy

Last season In 55 games as a starter a number of which he played on a bad ankle in about 28 mpg he committed 3.7 fouls per start.

I have little doubt that he can improve to over 30 mpg as a starter and get his fouls down to about 3.5 fouls per game especially given the immense improvement he made last season in not fouling.

Given how aggressive he plays on defense which is good I think that the Raptors could live happily with that. LOL

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3982/splits;_ylt=A2KIPH2UfQNOnx0ALCE9PaB4

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aldridge Now Has The Raptors Drafting Biyombo

based upon the current team lineup of 1 – 5 in the draft

1. Irving
2. Williams
3. Knight
4. Kanter
5. Biyombo

Make it so.

http://on.nba.com/jqxUln

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Aldridge Writes

Thought Kemba Walker was a solid fit here, wrote it and said it on NBA TV Wednesday afternoon. But late word Wednesday night had Raptors very interested in off-the-charts defensive potential of the young Congolese center. Assuaged concerns about less-than-stellar workout earlier this month for NBA types in Italy with strong workouts this week in Detroit and Charlotte.

Worth a requote

But late word Wednesday night had Raptors very interested in off-the-charts defensive potential of the young Congolese center.

Make it so.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about Tyson Chandler?

can we realistically get him to sign here in t dot o?

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won a championship. Check.
Can play for anyone in NBA. Check.
Toronto Raptors are the worst team defensively in the NBA and have a black hole playing center currently. Check.
Yeah, I would say that Toronto is the top of his list.

Bargs

by McGateway on Jun 23, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

repeating

I know I’m repeating but

" 7’7 wingspan doesn’t come often.
You can fit Manute Bol in there. "

any takers?

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Super high on Biyombo

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coach Casey

I just hope he can convince Tyson to come and stablize our middle.

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Poker Game? Continues

The Cleveland Cavaliers are expected to take Lithuania’s Jonas Valanciunas with the No. 4 pick even if Kentucky’s Enes Kanter is still available, league sources said Thursday morning. ESPN.com

Kanter or Biyombo?

Kanter’s defense would not be as good but because he can shoot and score he would probably allow the Raptors to move Barney out of the starting lineup sooner.

I would rather go with Kanter than Biyombo but I would be happy with Biyombo.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

“even if Kentucky’s Enes Kanter is still available”

I think that phrase is a red herring. It would be pretty surprising if Kanter is not picked either 2nd or 3rd along with DWilliams. Who else would go there? Knight is the only other name that ever gets mentioned in the top five.

by DW19 on Jun 23, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biyombo facing buyout issues?

Link

Suddenly, it feels like a choice between Kanter and Knight. Not high on either choice.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

This Has Been Known For A While

and at the #5 pick the $1.5 million less the $500K the Raptors would pay would leave Biyombo having to come up with $1 million.

As a #5 pick Biyomobo would make about $3 million next season under the current CBA

ISTM that this would be a non-issue.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9303

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Biyombo buyout is not a big deal.

What about this back injury rumour? That seems much more serious, if it is at all true.

by DW19 on Jun 23, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

See Post Below - Apparently It Won't Affect Where He Goes In Draft

My sense is that he had a problem but it appears not to be a big deal just some fill time talk before the draft.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Things Must Have Gotten Slow

Bloggers from hoops site now posting stuff like

1. Biyombo has back issues
2. Biyombo has buy-out issues
3. Those that warned on the Serbian Gansta Darko are now warning on the Lithuanian Valanciunas.

I wonder if they warned on Bargnani?

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Whats the Raps achilles heal;

Defense and no GO TO GUY.

We just hired a coch to coach defense did we not, Casey is supposed to be this guy that can hide players defensive weaknesses. We have Amir, Johnson, Demar, Bayless, Ed Davis, Solomon Alabi these guys can play D.

At the end of the day you need guys that put the ball in the hoop. KEMBA WALKER. Walker thrives in the final minutes of games, the guy single handedly won his team not only the Big East but NCAA Championship. Guys that know how to win do not forget magically how to win. Kemba is a go to guy we need a go to guy, we need some that can creat of the bounce, we need a guy that can draw doubles away from Andrea we need Kemba Walker. Especially in a draft where its considered weak and theres a guy available that has won big games on his own to me its a no brainer

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Jun 23, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Kemba

He does remind me of Bobby Jackson of old SAC.
A scorer with Speed, small build, determination.

Great, count him as our sixth man

.

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Imagine Bobby Jackson being selected 5th ovrall… DRAFTPOCALYPSE!!!!

by MAS11 on Jun 23, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Jackson never had...

- the handle and ability to penetrate that kemba has
- the leadership abilities
- winning pedigree
- the heart
- ability to will wins

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Jackson,

had all these except leadership abilities.
BJ was tenacious scorer with guts to drive-in and take hits for points.

He was one of the best sixth man back in the days, very much comparable to poor man’s Jason Terry.

I’ll give Kemba one up on leadership as what he accomplished in NCAA last season is truly amazing.

15.2pt, .457% fg, .36% 3pt, 3.1 assist, 1 steal sounds about max for Kemba in NBA.
BTW, that’s BJ’s best season in 02-03 season in SAC.

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ and terry are know for their outside shooting. Granted, BJ did take it to the hole hard I still don’t think he was able to finish in the lane with the same consistency or with the same arsenal of moves kemba has. His handle was just not as good at Kemba’s.
Kemba in his earlier years at UCONN was relied on as more of passer. BJ was never much of a passer.
In fact I think Knight will end up looking a lot more like Jason Terry/Louis Williams/BJ then Kemba.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

jfleminghoops Jason Fleming
RT @spearsnbayahoo: UConn guard Kemba Walker has a minor knee issue that is causing concern with draft approaching, sources say.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Several Updates on Biyombo

David Locke: Just heard Chris Singelton’s name at 9 and the Biyombo at 5 may be real. Twitter

Sam Amick: Source from team in the lottery that is high on Bismack Biyombo says they’re not concerned about reported back issue. Twitter

Steve Kyler: Hearing Bismack Biyombo may have been flagged with a possible back issue, sources say likely will not effect his draft stock. Twitter

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Casey Seems Like A Perfect Coach For Amir

and Amir a perfect player for Casey.

1. Casey is going to bring the defensive mentality to the Raptors. Amir started out in Detroit with a defensive culture and plays hard on defense every game.

2. Casey likes players who play hard and with effort. Amir does that.

3. Casey plans to install what is known as a “Flow Offense” (see Devlin’s three part interview of Casey on NBA/Raptors.com.) which is based on utilizing the P&R extensively. Amir’s strength on offense is the P & R.

We shall see

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, forget about the press conferences and all that. When Casey shows up to practice and sees Amir working his butt off he is going to give him a major role in the Raptors rotation.

by DW19 on Jun 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Agree

However, Amir already had a major role in the Raptors rotation.

What it could mean is that Amir will show Casey why he deserves to keep it.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indication That Jazz May Take Knight at #3

Updates: Jazz’s Harris is available. .

https://twitter.com/#!/tribjazz/status/83982361578053632

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

YES!!!!

That would mean Kanter or Biyombo!

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Is How I See It

but you never know until the hat is on the head. LOL

We shall find out in about three hours.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

My prediction for tonight

- Raps take Biyombo with 5th pick
- trade Bargannai to Charlotte for #9, #19 and scrubs
- Raps take Kemba with #9
- Raps take Honeycutt with #19

I would be one happy raps fan.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

A Tyler Honeycutt Sighting - LOL

I like his game except he turns the ball over too much and his weight or lack thereof could be an issue in the NBA.

I just hope Josh Smith can start to physically look more like a basketball player next season rather than a defensive tackle.

Go Ti-Cats

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the Raps take Biyombo

the chance of Bargnani being moved this year get slimmer and slimmer

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was asked to do a lot at UCLA. But agree he is a bit thin now. Still think he is being undervalued. Greg Anthony on NBA TV is the only analyst I’ve heard really high on him though.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't Sleep On Malcolm Lee

if he can ever develop a consistent three point shoot.

If the Raptors could get a second round pick and Lee was available I would love to see the Raptors take him with a second round pick. Late first round may work but it could be a bit high.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

Love Lee’s skill set (can play 1 or 2), has a competitive motor, and Ben Howland guys having been doing pretty good in the NBA lately.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Three-Way Deal

Woj is reporting that the Kings, Bucks and Bobcats have a deal in place.

Only partial terms so far but looks like Bucks get Stephen Jackson and Shaun Livingston, and move Corey Maggette’s contract to Charlotte.

Charlotte also gets Sacto’s lottery pick, 7th overall.

We’ll see what the Kings get out of this, but an interesting situation.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Another deal

Utah, Washington, Minny. Utah winds up moving up to grab Williams.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Kings apparently get MIL’s No. 10 pick + John Salmons.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Corrected deal: Bucks get Beno, Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston & 19. Bobcats get pick 7 & Maggette. Kings get 10 & John Salmons.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

nbadraftnet NBADraft.net
Look for Charlotte to take Tristan Thompson at with the 7th pick they acquired from Sacramento

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Trading Deadline For Draft Positions Has Passed

So what this means is that teams will have to draft someone and then trade him.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But it doesn’t mean that they have released all the picks that have been traded up to the deadline. You will find out once coverage starts.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct.

And here’s the full update:

Corrected deal: Bucks get Beno, Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston & 19. Bobcats get pick 7 & Maggette. Kings get 10 & John Salmons.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

MARK MY WORDS

Charlotte moving up to take BIYOMOBO. PULL THE TRIGGER COLANGELO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kemba

Some rumours floating around too now about Kemba’s knee maybe being an issue…hmmm…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biyombo a lock for top 10 I think

Unless the buzz around him has been a multi-team coorordinated smokescreen.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

There Are Only 15 in the Green Room

and Biyombo has been added.

I wonder who was dropped unless they increased it to 16.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They increased it

has been done in the past, usually with late Euro risers

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Highest riser on Draft Boards?

Besides Biyombo, it has to be Iman Shumpert. He was always getting late first buzz but people are talking about him mid to late teens now.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I LOVE IT!!!!

All year long I wait for these few hours every june. I am so psyched.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Rumours are flying like crazy now!

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont you LOVE IT!

THIS IS WHAT IT’S ALL ABOUT GENTLEMEN!!!!

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

O/T - It Never Fails To Amaze Me How Young Some Of The

professional women tennis players are.

Some even still have acne problems. LOL

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Don’t rule out the possibility of steroid use. Have you seen some of those serve speeds!

by DW19 on Jun 23, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

TT getting no home lovin'

Everyone seems to be enamored with TT in the top 10 except for the Raps. I know we drafted Ed last year and they are similar, but TT has more of a centre’s game and less of a face up game or jumper.
I wouldn’t be mad if BC took TT.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Kanter

Fingers crossed we get him. Hopefully Cleveland is stuck on JV and Irving, and Williams and Knight go 2-3. I know its a stretch, but I would be pretty excited.

Biyombo looks interesting and so does Knight. Kemba’s statistics are not comparable to Knight’s.
He was an 18 year old freshman coming off a foot injury over the summer and he came into run a team that had lost five impact starters to the draft the year before. He took a new team and almost led them to a title.
Kemba took his team and led them to the title, barely beating KU in the semis, as a Junior with tonnes of college experience. He also led them to a record that almost made them miss the NCAA tourney, but they got hot at the right time.

Kanter, Knight or Biyombo. Any of those three and I will sleep well tonight. JV wouldn’t bother me either, and Leonard would be less exciting but solid at least. Walker worries me a lot.

by defensive rap on Jun 23, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with everything except....

replace what you said about knight with kemba and I’m in complete agreement.

kentucky has been able to replicate success season after season because of their well rounded incoming classes. It’s more a function of the systems success rather than what Brandon knight did. When you say Knight “led”…I would be careful using that word especially in the tournament. He wasn’t even close to their best player on several nights. Earlier in the year Terrence Jones was actually “leading” the team to wins.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

jfleminghoops Jason Fleming
RT @kberg_cbs: Word among execs is the Bobcats have moved up to 7 to select Bismack Biyombo.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Consensus among sources is that Kings are leaning heavily toward Jimmer Fredette at No. 10 over Kemba Walker.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Trade

Charlotte is going to have major scoring issues next year now that they have traded JAX. Even with them moving up in the draft it’s reported they’re taking a defensive big and not a scorer.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Vesely RT @MrMichaelLee: #wizards have invited staff members from the Czech Republic embassy to team draft party:

My AV and Internet Security program avast! AIS is from a software company in Prague, named Avast. Great AV and Internet Security Software.

No link provided – LOL

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

This draft...

Love how the weakest draft in recent history is making the biggest buzz.

A lot of hype and overvaluing players.

Time is now BC, trade the pick.

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

David Aldridge

He wears nice suits but he knows sheet about the Raptors

1. First he said the Raptors were going to take Walker
2. Now he is saying they will take Biyombo and start him next to Bargnani.

Okay, David if you say do.

Idiot

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Green "Room" Ettiquette

“Players on stage getting instructions which included please don’t chew gum and gatorade on table is for show not drinking " – David Locke

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

as we get closer and closer to draft time

I’m not very excited about the prospect of the Raps drafting Knight. I hope Utah takes him.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions  

In this draft,

no sure thing. Not Irving, not Williams, not Kanter.
Every single pick comes with a string attached to it.

And I love how all GMs are playing with this.

For one, I’ll be mildly excited if we draft Knight.

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

from chad ford twitter:

“Starting to hear pretty strong signals that Biyombo is going to Raptors at 5”
3 minutes ago

Witnessed Playoffs last: April 28, 2008

Sincerely yours, Tortured T.O Fan

by Eddie.Teach on Jun 23, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Starting to hear pretty strong signals that Biyombo is going to Raptors at 5.
7 minutes ago

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

If kings pick Jimmer at 10...

That means Utah will need a pg with their first pick. Might mean they take knight and leave Kanter for Raps.

by hoopdaddy on Jun 23, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Minnesota

I’m sure Kahn will do something stupid again in this draft.

Can’t quite put my finger to it.

by gajemee on Jun 23, 2011 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

ESPN - Instead Of Having Someone Like Rachel Nichols

covering the draft and NBA basketball

Why don’t they get someone like Lisa Leslie who knows a thing or two about basketball.

I have no problem with ESPN hiring women to cover the NBA but they should at least hire those with a basketball background.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2011 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

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