New to the Site, but not new to SB

by PaullyPforPrez on Jun 17, 2011 10:22 AM EDT

As I am an avid basketball player and lover, I just thought I would throw my 2 cents in when it comes to this years draft.

- You almost have to believe Clevland goes with Irving; if Irving does go to Cleveland, Baron becomes expendable (he's probaby expendable already but), who makes a move for Baron?

- Lets just say Clevalnd picks up Williams @ #1, Minnesota would either go Kanter or trade the pick assuming Kahn isn't an absolute moron, which leaves Knight, Irving and Walker.

- So now Utah is on the clock and word on the street is that they want a PG, making Devin Harris available. Now if I am BC and Devin Harris just becomes available what do I do. Well let me tell you what I do I go after Devin Harris, not surrendering my #5 pick but I try to get Deving Harris, now if Utah decides to go against the popular word and takes a non PG, Then Clevland who took Williams earlier, absolutley takes a PG here probably Irving but he could go # 2 to the team that trades with Minnesota (Orlando?????) .

- So now the Raps pick and for the sake of assuming we'll say the following has occured

1.) Cleveland - Derrick Williams

2.) Orlando from Minnesota - Kyrie Irving

3.) Utah - Brandon Knight

4.) Cleveland - Enes Kanter

5.) ???????

If I am BC I have to take Kemba Walker, WHY? Because the guy wants the rock in the final minutes of the game, the guy has one of the greatest step backs I have seen since Iverson and last but not least he has shown he knows how to WIN big games and play in big games.

Derek Rose makes it to the national championship and loses. John Wall can't even make it to the National Championship, and now Walker not only makes it there but he wins it and he isn't even being talked about for going # 1. Thats what makes guys better in this league everyone doubts them and they make them eat their words.

I don't know if anyone else noticed this but was it me or at times did Mario Chalmers look like the best player on the court during the Finals. Thats what guys who have won big games do they play big in big games.

I have read alot on this site and one of the things I have noticed is that people really want Bargniani gone, WHY?. Did Dirk not teach us all something, 7 footers who can shoot and drive are VERY VERY valuable in this league and Bargs is only 24, Dirk has been one of the best players in this league for a while and it's because Dallas has shown faith and Dallas has stuck with him and what does he do to reward? He wins a championship.

Last, but not least, our potential new coach Dwayne Casey. I am all for it, but I will say this. He had alot of tools in Dallas to create that defense, A rejuvenated Shawn Marion, TYSON CHANDLER (probably the most underrated centre in this league), Barea who can run all day with anyone in this league, Deshawn Stevenson a great defender his whole career, heck even Brian Cardinal who just flar out hustles. The Raps have no one like this, except Reggie Evans and to be honest of all our players I want gone, it's him. We need a legitimate center, a wing that can shoot and a go to guy lets get one in the draft and that one guy is Walker, try to get Dalembert or someone else in FA and trade for a Mike Miller type and the Raps are on their way.

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that makes alot ofsense and we end up with a PG good move.

by Jt Malley on Jun 17, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions

Here we go:

1. Devin Harris – a big no thank you. 2 reasons. First he is an inefficient shoot first PG… worst kind of PG there is. Secondly, does anyone have a bigger history of injuries than him? Dude is made of glass. Would much rather have Jose run the point than Harris.

2. I was pretty against Kemba before…but I don’t have much faith that anyone by 5 will be a big time game changer. He’s as good a choice as any I’d assume.

3. yes Dirk taught us something. So did Bargnani. That Bargnani and Dirk are both European, white, 7ft tall and can shoot from range. They also taught us they are not comparible. There is a significant difference in their efficiency, their rebounding, their defense, their desire, their ability to come through in the clutch, their work ethic, their attitude, and their leadership. Comparing Dirk to Bargs is as solid a comparison as Demar is to Kobe or Jordan…. that is, there is no legitimate comaprison outside of racial profiling and height.

For 5 years the question has always been “can Bargnani be the next Dirk” and all I see every year is that comparison getting further and further away. I have no idea how Dirk helping lead his team to the championship and Bargnani helping lead his team to one of the worst in the league makes the comaprison any closer.

4. Casey – we’ll see what happens. No doubt though better players make a coach better.

5. Dalembert – if he came cheap… sure. But mainly so Leo Rautins has to do interviews with him. However, will he solve anything for this team? highly doubt it. He has pretty much been a disappointment over his career. Although if Dalembert somehow managing to get under Leo’s skin to the point where Leo does something to ruin his own career… it would make Dalembert one of greatest FA signing in the last decade.

Question: just out of curiosity I’m wonder how you picture Orlando getting the #2 pick?

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions

Dwight for 2nd Pick, Beasly, Rubio, Love, 10 Million Dollars...

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jun 17, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Dirk vs Bargs

Dirk for a long time was criticized for his inability to rebound, defend and hustle.
Bargs right at the moment is being criticized for the exact same things.

There games are very very similar minus Dirks very unique hesitation move he uses at the elbow that he has learned over time. We have to remember Bargs is very young still and still elarning the NBA game, the strides he has made over the past 2 years is quite remarkable, and the fact Dirk had Tyson right beside him these entire playoffs really helps hide his defencies.

Dirk is probably one of the most effcient scorerers I have ever seen play the game, and his ability to make it llook so effortless goes without saying but it also took Dirk a long time to master these qualities.

We cannot give up on Bargs.

As for Orlando, I could see them moving a player like Brandon Bass and or Jameer Nelson to get a Kyrie Irving to play alongside Dwight. Maybe Gilbert and some other bodies. Who knows, Stranger things have happened in the NBA.

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Jun 17, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

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“for a long time”

because by Dirk’s 3rd year he averaged 9.2 rebounds a game.

When was Dirk’s “hustle” ever questioned? What about his desire to win? Clutch play? Work ethic?

Don’t forget this was the 2nd time Dirk made it to the finals… Chandler wasn’t their to “hide his deficiences” last time.

Needless to say we don’t need to worry about Bargnani since we already have the next Kobe Bryant in Demar.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 17, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Before Chandler it was Dampier

Dampier does not do alot of things well, but when he was younger he played hard D and rebounded well.

Bargs has never had a good rebounding BIG man (Evans is not a Big Man) around him to hide the fact that he doesnt work for boards he just lets them come to him. Being 7 feet tall your almost guaranteed in 36 min of playing time to collect six boards whether your trying or not.

The fact remains, Bargs can put up 20 with relative ease, thats not something you can say about alot of NBA players, yes there are alot of guys that average 20 a game but they work hard for that 20, Bargs doesn’t and when the switch goes on in this kids head, he will be an amazing talent.

Dirk is no doubt about it a Top 5 talent in the NBA in temrs of talent. Look at Dirks roster in 2006.

Dirk, Jason Terry, Dampier, Stackhouse (Sixth man of the year), a good Josh Howard, Marquis Daniels, Van Horn, A Young Devin Harris, Adrian Griffin, DesAgne Diop, Darrel Armstrong (who could still give you 6 min a game even though hes 50)

Thats a pretty solid roster, and they had 2 seven footers that could play the real centre position, and let dirk play PF which is what his best position is. Just like Bargs, yeah hes 7 feet tall but hes a PF just like KG you can play him at C for periods of the game to help with rotations, but hes a PF.

BC has shot himself in the foot by signing Amir to a really inflated contract ( I love Amir but thats alot of money for someone who can’t stay out of foul trouble), drafting Ed Davis, having Regge Evans and Bargs thats 4 PF’s and no centre. Not to mention signing Kleiza who essentially is a smaller (worse) version of Andrea.

He needs to get a go to scorer ( Walker!!!!!!) and a wing that can put the ball on the floor and hit the occasional 3 ( Mike MIller!!!!!!!!! type) and a 7 footer that can give you 25 min a game of rebounding, offensive rebounding and a body that protects the rim and this becomes a team that challenges for the 4th 5th spot in the conference every year.

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Jun 20, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Buddhafan recently posted some split comparisons for Bargnani...

All of his stats, by far were best when playing Center… the next worst was at PF and then brutal (jaw-droppingly brutal) at SF…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jun 20, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions

and a 7 footer that can give you 25 min a game of rebounding, offensive rebounding and a body that protects the rim

Isn’t this Reggie Evans (although he’s missing a few inches)?

by siggian on Jun 21, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions

"When was Dirk’s "hustle" ever questioned? What about his desire to win? Clutch play? Work ethic?"

Every year from the 06 finals, up to this year where he finally proved everyone wrong?

by rainmann on Jun 20, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions

really

where were you living when these discussion’s came out?

The ONLY part of Dirk’s game I evered heard questioned was his ability to play D and that he was soft. Never once heard someone say he doesn’t work hard, doesn’t hustle, isn’t a competitor and isn’t clutch.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 20, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Your scenario would be disastrous for Cleveland as they have no apparent faith in Sessions and Davis is, well Baron Davis...

You have solidified for me the fact that Cleveland won’t pass on Irving with their first pick, making my Draft Prediction a solid:

1. Irving / Cleveland
2. Williams / Minnesota (Beasly to be traded)
3. Knight / Utah
4. Kanter / Cleveland
5. ? / Raptors

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jun 17, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions

The Truth

I hope you are wrong but that is the most likely 1-4 picks for sure.

So who do we go for? In that scenario I am scared we will choose Leonard, who would normally be a 15-20 pick. Sad really. But he will be better than Hoffa and he’s not Walker. Comparing Walker to Iverson is wishful thinking. Try Rafer Alston with a bit more polish.

If BC can find a way to take Jonas and deal with his buyout immediately, I hope they gamble on him instead. Or they trade for a lower pick and grab Knight and Byombo, who though a long shot, gives us something to believe in. Jonas is a likely centre and a potential all star. Byombo has a longshot chance of being an NBA starting centre. Let’s give us some hope.

Leonard matches JJs skill set too closely to get excited about.

Walker is Bayless minus 3 inches.

Let’s hope Kanter goes at three to Utah and Knight falls to us at 5 because Clevaland goes big at the 4th pick. They can’t pick Irving and Knight.

by defensive rap on Jun 20, 2011 4:38 AM EDT reply actions

I don't know about that!

Walker is Bayless minus 3 inches.

How many National Championships does Bayless have?, How many NCAA Tourny MVP’s does Bayless have?

You cannot compare those 2 like that, Walker proved, PROVED he can play and score in big games no matter hpow many double teams he faces. Butler was 1 of the best coached defenses I have ever seen and Walker (along with the help of Calhoun) made it look terrible.

The adjustment in the NCAA final to go to the double screen up top so they couldn’t hedge was pure coaching at its finest. Walkers step back was compared to Iverson not his overall game.

"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover

by PaullyPforPrez on Jun 20, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions

I will agree that Walker maybe has more big game experience...

But Bayless as a starter gives you 18 points 8 assists and 4 rebounds… better than Brandon Jennings, even with John Wall…

Chris Paul: 16 points 10 assists 4 rebounds

So I wouldn’t hesitate to say Bayless is worth leaving in place, instead of, at best, a lateral move at PG with a guy like Walker…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jun 20, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions

or we get Kanter

Which is my first wish.

Then we make a trade. Andrea for Dirk straight up. I know Dirk is better but if you listen to some on this site who are new, they are a closer comparison than you think. And we could sell Cuban on the fact Andrea is younger and that he will learn to have more passion.

Or we just trade Andrea for Beasley and Flynn. It hurts I know, but Beasley could be a good 3 and Flynn is a lottery ticket, but you never know what a change of scenery can do for a guy that young.

by defensive rap on Jun 20, 2011 4:43 AM EDT reply actions

Andrea For Dirk?

Seriously? Cuban would hang it up on you in an instant.

And no1 could blame him. This guy proved himself to be a top 3, at least top 5 talent during these playoffs.

by rainmann on Jun 20, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions

It think

you missed the sarcasm there

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 20, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions

sarcasm

How can Andrea for Dirk (right after he won the MVP of the finals) not be seen has sarcastic?

Here’s another one, Andrea for Pau. That is way more likely than Dirk. Pau is not getting along with Kobe and it might be time to move him. Andrea would open up the floor (cough, cough) for Kobe and Bynum. Btw, this was sarcastic as well and has no chance of being attractive to the Lakers..

The one trade I would love to happen that is somewhat possible is Jefferson for Andrea, but I can’t see Utah doing it. They are not happy with Al, but I can’t see them taking a chance on Andrea. I can’t really see many people taking a chance on Andrea.

by defensive rap on Jun 21, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions

u should be banned after thinking u can get dirk for bargnani

by jadedeed2327 on Jun 21, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions

We know what Andrea can do

And it doesn’t fit our needs. Let’s put him in a better situation for him and us.

Kanter at the 5/ find a backup
Amir and Ed
Beasley/Johnson/Kleiza
Demar/Barbosa/Sonny
Jose/Bayless

Then trade or acquire a free agent backup centre and away we go.

Barbosa seems like the best trade bait, but his contract is not that attractive.
Reggie who I love, doesn’t fit unless we trade Amir and get something great in return and need Reggie to back up Davis. I could see this being done, though I like Amir.

Bargs for Rudy Gay is my most recent dream. Go Raps

by defensive rap on Jun 20, 2011 4:52 AM EDT reply actions

In a perfect world. we pull off a trade with Minne and grab Williams...

In a reasonable yet favourable world, Utah picks Knight (as is most likely) Cleveland values JV’s upside more than Kanter’s and Kanter falls to us…

In reality, I can’t see any of the top 4 choices falling to us, and Colangelo doesn’t have time to let JV mature in Europe for a year, so I would hope we trade down and pick up Singleton and Vucevic, or something similar…

"the Truth"

by Mikthaniel on Jun 20, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions