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Raptors HQ's 2011 NBA Draft Favourites


The HQ takes a look at a number of prospects that the they feel the Raptors should be taking a long, hard look at as the draft approaches...

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Finally!

With the NBA's draft lottery now complete, we here at the HQ at last can start breaking down the various prospects in the upcoming draft.

By May 20th in previous years, we had already started looking at individual prospects, seen workouts, and conducted interviews but this year, thanks both to the new draft timelines and Toronto's lack of mid first or second round picks, this process is just getting underway now.

The annual NBA combine is in full swing in Chicago, and we may start seeing individual workouts for the Toronto Raptors as early as next week.  (Although I'm guessing things won't really get going until the week after that.)

In the meantime though, I thought we'd take a look at five players who are quite high on the HQ's "want" list regarding this draft, and the tomorrow, switching gears and discussing some we'd prefer Bryan Colangelo and the Dinos stay away from.

In terms of the "want" list below, these aren't all options as lottery, or even first-round picks, but players who I think provide great value or fill needs for the Raps and considering Toronto's current situation, may be available should the team look to trade down for multiple picks.

Here we go, in no particular order...

1)  Kenneth Faried, 6-8 F, Morehead State.

There's not much not to like about Faried.  While perhaps a bit undersized at the 4 in the NBA, he makes up for it thanks to heart, hustle, athleticism, and length.  He's got a great head on his shoulders, led the NCAA in PER last year, and would provide the Raptors with a DeJuan Blair/Paul Millsap type presence, something that would be huge if the club can't retain Reggie Evans.

He was extremely impressive at the first day of the NBA Combine in Chicago, winning the sprint drills and essentially playing at 150 miles an hour the entire time.  He's raw offensively and will probably never be a scorer in the line of the aforementioned two, but he's a superior shot-blocker to both and would be a huge asset to a club like the Raps needing an injection toughness and defense.

2)  Marshon Brooks, 6-6 SG, Providence.

Every year early in the draft process certain guys leap out at you despite perhaps flying under the radar a bit in college.  Last year we started up the Paul George bandwagon and this year Marshon Brooks is falling into this category for me.

Simply put, this is your prototypical NBA shooting guard.  He can shoot the ball, slash, score, finish at the rim, and has a 7-2 wingspan that could make him a very good defensive option later in his career.  I watched him drop 52 points on Notre Dame during the last college season and he had numerous other big scoring games for Providence.

But this isn't just a scoring guard.  Yes, he averaged nearly 25 points a game but did it by shooting an incredibly efficient 48 per cent from the field and he also averaged 7 rebounds, 2.5 assists and over a block a game.  His individual work so far this off-season has been so positive in fact that his trainer, the infamous Tim Grover, recently compared him to Kobe Bryant...pretty lofty praise for the 22 year old.

3)  Chris Singleton, 6-9 G/F, Florida State.

I've been a big Singleton fan for a couple years now, watching him give my Blue Devils' clubs nightmares in ACC match-ups.  He's got that size and length that everyone wants from a small forward now in the NBA, but doesn't just pass the eye test.  He's truly one of the best perimeter defenders I've seen in college in years, using that size and length to constantly harrass opponents, something obviously the Raps could use a major dose of.

However he's got a ways to go at the offensive end.  He's not a great passer or someone I'd feel comfortable with handling the ball a lot, and beside his three-point shooting (he hit 37 per cent last year) he's not going to light it up on a nightly basis.

But as a defensive specialist who can make open shots?  (Think James Posey in his prime or a less cerebral Shane Battier.)  Yes please.

4)  Kawhi Leonard, 6-7 SF, San Diego State.

Can Bryan Colangelo find his next Shawn Marion by grabbing Leonard in this draft?  It's pretty easy to make comparisons between the San Diego State foward and the former UNLV product after all, since both were extremely athletic tweeners coming out of college.

Leonard however looks miles ahead of where Marion was as a Running Rebel on the offensive end, and while not quite as big as Marion, has a similar upside, especially in terms of being a high-energy difference maker at the next level.

The Raptors are auditioning James Johnson as their starting small forward of the future but that doesn't mean they shouldn't take a very close look at Leonard.  A player who could become a Marion or Gerald Wallace in the NBA would make a pretty deadly platoon partner with the a guy like Johnson, giving the Raptors some serious size, length and athleticism at the 3-4.

5)  Jonas Valanciunas, 6-11 C, Lithuania.

Of all the International prospects in this draft, Valanciunas is the one I'm most high on.  He's only 19, but has proven himself at the international level for a while now, and is one of the only legit center options in this draft, a position of dire need for Toronto.

By all accounts he's not your typical Euro-big man either, possessing a desire to bang in the paint, and has the length and athleticism to at least by an Andris Biedrins type shot-blocker and rebounder at the next level.

He's got some contractual issues apparently that might scare some teams away, and he needs to bulk up and get stronger (what 19 year old doesn't though) but considering his upside and the Raps current needs, I'd be fine with Toronto making him one of their final options at that fifth draft spot.

10 More:

-Jan Vesely, 6-11 F, Czech Republic - The next Nic Batum?

-Alec Burks, 6-6 SG, Colorado - Raps have DeRozan but Burks very intriguing in a weak SG draft.

-Marcus Morris, 6-9 F, Kansas - Much better all-around game then many realize.

-Josh Selby, 6-2 PG, Kansas - Possible PG sleeper option ala Darren Collison?

-Malcolm Lee, 6-5 G, UCLA - Another example of a Bruin better suited for NBA than NCAA?

-Nolan Smith, 6-2 G, DUKE - Heart, proven winner, and well-rounded skillset.

-Travis Leslie, 6-4 G, Georgia - NBA scoring and athletic ability despite small stature.

-JaJuan Johnson 6-10 F, Purdue - Length and athleticism in spades but is his offensive game NBA ready?

-Chandler Parsons, 6-10 F, Florida - Do-it-all forward who could be a more athletic Luke Walton at next level.

-Jimmy Butler, 6-7 F, Marquette - One of the best defenders in the draft with great upside offensively.

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Marshon Brooks

But the Raptors already have DeMar DeRozan to provide efficient scoring and defense from the SG position… wait a minute… DeRozan provides none of those things?! Cricket, cricket…

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 20, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

If Colangelo does trade down, Brooks seems like a great option to back up DeRozan in the short term, and let them sort out who stays and goes (or who backs up who) in the long run. Especially since DD can play the 3 at times (if he bulks up this summer, as he is supposed to).

by dhackett1565 on May 20, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is a great point. Right now the Raps just need better talent. So if you’ve got a shot in this draft to grab a few pieces, who cares about position, get the top guys and sort it out as time goes on as to who the best long-term options are. You can always move a current player or eventual prospect.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on May 20, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow – shallow on good C’s in this draft huh? Valanciunas and that’s it on the HQ good prospects list?

Well, I remain on the Val bandwagon. Yet to be given a good reason to get off.

by dhackett1565 on May 20, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I’ve now read enough and seen enough footage to start feeling good about Val too. No Bargs for sure, and in fact in many ways, he seems like the anti-Bargs.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on May 20, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the centre needs to come via free agency or trade. A Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan – the Grizzlies are a small market team with a lot of money committed to players already and the Clippers are, well, the Clippers.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those are good reasons why the Grizz and Clips might lose those two players. But, what are the reasons why those players would chose to leave and come to the Raptors?

by DW19 on May 20, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Money, money and more money – ultimately you have to pay those guys to lure them away.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 20, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but if they flop then you have Turk/Kapono part 8. Anyway, do the Raptors have the capspace required? For Jordan maybe, but for Gasol I wouldn’t think so. The Raps would have to get him in a trade and then sign him to big $$.

by DW19 on May 20, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

or because

they feel they match up so well beside Bargnani and they like doing extra work.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 20, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha.

I like to pretend all the team’s future moves are based in a world where Bargnani is playing for the T-Wolves (or something to that effect). If Kahn can compare Darko to C-Webb with a straight face, he must think Bargnani is something truly special!

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 20, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

makes sense

if Darko was mana from heaven… Bargnani atleast has to be considered a unicorn’s rainbow.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 20, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Totally agree. Not sold on Jonas, not enough reliable data. I would throw everything I had at Marc Gasol in the offseason if I was Colangelo, including pressing hard on a Bargnani sign and trade and trying to hypnotise Chris Wallace that Bargnani will “open up space” for Zbo with his ehm… “shooting”

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can just see Colangelo trying to convince Gasol:

“Sure, the Grizzlies were just one win away from the Western Conference Finals, and it’s one of the youngest rosters in the league with all the main guys locked up long term, but you could be playing on a far less talented team that won 22 games last year? This team has far more room to improve than the Grizzlies, and you could be a big part of that!”

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I mean, the Grizzlies, they had Marc Gasol, but if you sign with us, WE’D have Marc Gasol!”

by dhackett1565 on May 20, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s gold! Email that point to Colangelo, pronto!

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, dhackett, your so convinced of Colangelo's GMing and salesmanship skills, surprised your so pesamistic!

I thought that’s why we resigned such a capable GM???

Guys, I know its a pipe dream… But in the event that Memphis isn’t able to pony-up the required scrilla to keep Gasol, I would hope Colangelo would at least put on a full court press. Who knows, maybe he could sell Gasol on building a young team with him as a main component and playing with Calderone…

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free agency has only rarely been a strength of Colangelo’s. He is a trade man.

by dhackett1565 on May 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enes Kanter?

No one likes Kanter? It’s true he might very well be gone by 5, but the guy is a banger who can score, rebound and defend. I think Valanciunas certainly has potential, but the guy fouls at a rate that makes Amir Johnson look Wilt-Chamberlainesque (who never fouled out) in comparison. And those hands. Remember Olden Polynice?

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you answered your own question in the second sentence. They didn’t bother to profile Irving or Williams either who would clearly be of interest if they were somehow available at #5.

by DW19 on May 20, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Irving and Williams will obviously be gone, but Kanter could drop. Some mock drafts I’ve seen have Valanciunas going ahead of Kanter.

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think people like Kanter

but everyone expects him to be gone by then…

by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 20, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Irving, Williams, Kanter, and one of Knight or Walker are gone by 5. Otherwise, Kanter would certainly make sense if you were trying to swing for the fences with the 5th pick.

Ultimately, it seems like ‘reaching’ to grab Leonard might make the most sense… unless Colangelo is going to pretend guys like James Johnson are more than bench-level contributors.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 20, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think picking Leonard at 5 would be much of a reach in this draft. In fact, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him drafted ahead of Toronto.

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going to talk about Kanter tomorrow…unfortunately he made my “stay away from” list…but perhaps not for reasons you may think.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on May 20, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re such a tease.

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s expressed interest in playing there. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to play elsewhere.

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toronto

is anti-Turk after the Ottoman disaster

by B.C. on May 20, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

-1

Omar Asik can play for my team any day.

by MAS11 on May 21, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Valanciunas

I will be disappointed if BC falls for the hype and picks Andres Biedrins -1.0 and ends up with another over hyped european dud. Valanciunas can prob play a little but to be picked at #5 is just madness. Our center is currently on another team’s roster and we gotta go get him but to think Valanciunas is the answer is nuts.

by Member29 on May 20, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

+ 1!!!

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Hard to understand why people are so high on a aguy who’s probable best case scenario is Andres Biedrins… I wouldn’t even want the original Andres Biedrins on this team!!

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valanciunas

I’m no expert on the guy but i was able to watch a few (only 3 games actually) of his games in full plus all the youtube highlights I could find and I see nothing more than maybe a stronger version of Andres Biedrins. Not saying Valanciunas will def not be NBA talent because he might, but to pick him at #5 is absolutely nuts. It’s not that he doesn’t have good potential bec he does from the games I saw but a number 5 pick>> really>> It’s all hype created by mock drafters who simply put him top ten their mock drafts, the guy has shown no evidence of being worthy of being a early lottery pick.

by Member29 on May 20, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhm, I think you are forgetting that he is #5 in a crappy draft. Everyone is dreaming if they truly believe that BC will suddenly convince a real center to come play on a team whose best player (assuming Barney goes bye bye) is an inefficient 2 guard who cant defend or involve other players on the team in the offense. Cause I am sure that Gasol and Jordan are just dying to move to a team like that. I have no idea how good anyone in this draft will be but if BC gets someone who plays more than 15 minutes a game average over their career I will consider that a success. Not sure if that says more about this draft or my complete lack of faith in BC to make the right decision.

by McGateway on May 22, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

EVERYONE IS CLUELESS ON VALANCIUNAS!!!!

He’s 18, and plays int THE LITHUANIAN LEAGUE!!!! Who the hell knows what his statistics and anecdotal/observational data means!

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He also played in the Euroleague against high level teams like Barcelona, Panathanaikos, etc…teams much better than Duke, Kansas, et al.

He might not be a good fit, but it won’t be because he comes from Europe or played in the Lithuanian League.

by DW19 on May 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll start setting up a challenge series to prove the point if you provide the funding.

by DW19 on May 20, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deal!

Four team tournament, round robin round for seeding and then sudden death playoffs!

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Show me the money!!

by DW19 on May 20, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the issue is

there is a serious debate that highest lvl talent the Euroleague has to offer is anywhere near what the NBA provides. Its like NFL looking to grab a player from the CFL. Every now and again they find a diamond in the rough… but most of the time though they are sitting on the end of the bench for 3 games until they are cut and return to their CFL team. Its not that you can’t find a talented to extremely talented player based on Euroleague play, its just the number of flops seriously outweigh the success stories.

All I have to say there is Linas Kleiza

by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 20, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Euroleague vs. NBA is not the issue. The NBA is obviously better. The issue is Euroleague vs. NCAA. I’d say Euroleague is tougher while MAS says NCAA is tougher. Until we organize our hypothetical tournament we probably can’t reach a definitive conclusion on that one.

I agree that plenty of Europeans have flopped in the NBA, but by the same token plenty of college stars have sucked in the NBA, too.

by DW19 on May 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brandon Jennings is a good pointer for this as he absolutely looked average in Europe and ended up being a good player (so far) here and I think we can all agree he probably would have put up solid numbers in the US College system.

by McGateway on May 22, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize that some of those top European teams have beaten some NBA teams, right? These are men in these leagues, many of whom have been playing professionally for years. Duke and Kansas are certainly good NCAA teams, but I don’t see them competing with the top teams in Europe.

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

“You do realize that some of those top European teams have beaten some NBA teams, right?”

In preseason, when the games don’t matter, the NBA vets couldn’t give a crap and the Euro team is playing like it’s there superbowl… Those games are meaningless.

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but they did beat them. Even the best college teams would get destroyed by an NBA team, even in preseason.

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember when that macabi team beat the Raptors

The ACC hamp from that season could have beat the Raptors on that night…

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kobe Bryant is good enough for you?

“Barcelona could play in the NBA” (says he, not me)

by renato on May 21, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Put me firmly on the Kawhi Leonard bandwaggon!

These are the types of players the Raps need to start building their persona/identity around. Not very familiar with Brooks, but he sounds intriguing to me! I think building your team around 2 way players is the key to NBA success and Brooks sounds like he has that skill set.

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

It's funny

Think about this for a minute: There’s a reason why the same teams continue to show up in the lottery year after year after year. While teams like the Raptors are drafting the next Euro stiff at #5, teams with the better records are picking up guys like Faried, Brooks, etc. They’re grabbing someone like Ty Lawson at #18 (Nuggets trade with the hopeless T-Wolves) or DeJuan Blair when he inexplicably falls into the second round.

The Raps need to stop playing the lottery and start paying attention to the metrics and what guys are actually doing at a high level in the NCAA.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 20, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t disagree, but those better teams just need role players, which guys like Faried and Brooks are. The Raptors need high level talent before they start filling out their roster with role players. That said, I wouldn’t be upset at all of Leonard is a Raptor next season.

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scouts seem to feel he’s got high level potential. I’ve got mixed feelings about the guy, but there are certainly things I like about him. I like Kanter more because I see more of his game when he plays and I don’t see as many weaknesses.

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

+ INFINITY!!!

I’m glad you said it. I’m done with Euro trash. Not becasue I’m a biggot or xenophobe, but becasue I don’t trust any of the analysis or data coming out of Europe. It’s complete black box. Who cares if Jonas is averaging 10 boards a game against players that couldn’t hold Kendrick Perkins or Joakim Noah’s lunch bag! Give me the reliable data provided by high level NCAA competition every day of the week!

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes that reliable NCAA data lead team to pick such stars as Michael Beasley, Adam Morrison, Hasheem Thabeet, and a long list of others with top 5 picks.

by DW19 on May 20, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I’m pretty sure anyone evaluating advanced metrics from the NCAA could’ve told you that Morrison and Thabeet would be busts. And Beasley’s mental state was more of a red flag than his on-court numbers.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 20, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

Not to mention that Beasely (to me at least) was too small to play PF and not skilled or quick enough to play SF. Not saying I’m a genious by any stretch, but that one I saw coming.

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fact I remember everyone saying taking Thabeet in the top 5 would be a huge mistake but Memphis didn’t have a lot of options because the other players available there were uninterested in playing for them.

by McGateway on May 22, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Faried

Another high energy guy who believes that every missed shot is his rebound.

Is he a #5 pick?

How would he find minutes assuming Amir can return to his normal self?

Can Amir or Davis eventually play together the way that I expected before Amir’s injury?

The biggest question for the Raptors regarding Faried is would the Raptors be able to find minutes for him if they don’t move Bargnani.

Faried will be 22 in November..

by Buddahfan on May 20, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

talent is talent man

if we have 6 PF and the best picked is a useful and valuable contrinuter in Faried, a PF, then pick him instead of not picking him and opting for a C for eg who can’t play.

by Member29 on May 20, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

while I am generally

of the philosophy that you draft the best player available regardless of position… given the common talent level in this draft and that the Raps already have 2 young quality PFs, I’d say avoid the PF position.

That said, if things change by the time draft day comes around and a young PF that looks like he could be a stud falls to Toronto, scoop him up.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 20, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan, Chandler, Gasol, Nene

would not come here on this 22 win team when teams like NYK, Mavs, Spurs, New Jersey, up and coming LA clippers and even Micheal Jordan’s Bobcats need centers. Those guys would be insane to pick Toronto in the early stages of a multi yr rebuild, INSANE. No matter how much money we throw at them, their current teams can offer them more. Even if they chose to leave their current team for less money elswhere, they’d logically be looking for a winning situation in that case.

Sad to say but out market for a C is more like:
Nenad Kristic
Nazr Mohammed
Joel Przybilla
Jason Collins
Mehmet Okur
Maybe Greg Oden
Maybe Chris Kayman via trade
Slim Maybe Al Jefferson via trade
Aaron Gray
Emeka Okafor

Of that list Kayman and Jefferson fit in terms of high end solutions and Kristic and Przybilla low end ith Greg Oden being a wildcard kinda gamble.

by Member29 on May 20, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Raptors definitely don’t want to sign a player who might be insane.

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may

disagree with that. It may be exactly what they need.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

But seriously tho, would you pick the raps if you were them and if yes, y>>

by Member29 on May 20, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Omar Asik?

Bulls need Ofense (Bargnani scores 22 ppg LOL) we need defense. I know… again I’m dreaming…

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

Forget it! That dude is from Europe!! :P

by DW19 on May 20, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you knwo what!!

I’ve seen him play against NBA players and he’s played well! So I have reliable data to make my decision!! ; p

by MAS11 on May 20, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said the exact same thing in a comment somewhere above. How on earth do you sell a 22 win team to any of these guys?

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kemba Walker

I know he has been dissed to the point that many no longer even consider him at No. 5, mainly because they say he is 5’ 10". But I just saw this in a chisolm post. A legit 6’1" in shoes? He led his team to a national title? still no love?
While Kemba Walker lucked out at the Chicago pre-draft camp this week by measuring a legit 6’1" in shoes, he’s still small in a league that is trending bigger at the point with guys like Derrick Rose and John Wall, and that may place him below Brandon Knight on Toronto’s draft board. Nonetheless, he possess strengths that the Raptors need, especially as it pertains to leadership and scoring acumen, and that may be enough to get him to Toronto regardless of his physical stature.

by Barflies on May 20, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

If he can keep fast PGs in front of him on defence then he has a chance to be a starter on some team. To be really valuable, he needs to do that plus improve his playmaking and pick his spots carefully to look for his own shot. Doing all that is a tall order(no pun intended).

by DW19 on May 20, 2011 7:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It wasn’t his size that bothered me the most about him but his penchant to dominate the ball, force shots instead of passing to wide open teammates, and inability to run an offense. Is Walker just a shorter version of Tyreke Evans? A guy who is only comfortable with the ball in his hands, but simply isn’t good enough to lead his team anywhere doing that.

by Tim W. on May 20, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other than the one outlier season of Iverson’s career where he was somehow surrounded by the perfect combination of role players to reach the NBA Finals, a smallish, ball-dominating guard is going to get your team nothing but years and years of mediocrity.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 20, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, look at how much Denver improved when they replaced A.I. with Billups

And though some might disagree, the point is not our greatest need right now. We NEED a center and we need defense. I know you don’t draft for need, but considering the talent level in this draft is pretty even from three to ten, this year might be the exception to that rule. I’m thinking Kanter, Leonard or Valanciunas (can someone write that out pheonetically for those of us who can’t pronounce it?) in that order.

by Posterized on May 20, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Paul is listed as 6 feet, 175 pounds

by Barflies on May 20, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Paul is a pass first point guard, though.

by Posterized on May 20, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when Paul starts shooting 3-for-27 from the field, we can talk.

Geoff Rahal
Author, RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on May 20, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That guy’s an absolute freak. For a guy who has the ball that much and plays the way he does, he has one of the best assist to turnover ratios in the league year after year. And he’s small, but he’s one of the better rebounders among PGs.

by Tim W. on May 21, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

CHICAGO -- Quick hitters from the NBA pre-draft camp:

• The most impressive all-around player continues to be Morehead State’s Kenneth Faried. Why? More than any player in this draft, he knows who he is, what kind of player he’ll be in the NBA, and appreciates his opportunity.

Faried became the NCAA’s all-time leading rebounder this past season, breaking Tim Duncan’s record. He arrived at the combine at Attack Athletics with the mindset that he was going to hustle, show that his motor is always on, and prove he can continue to board and defend. Of course, there are no five-on-five drills, but his fundamentals are always on display. He had to go through shooting drills like everyone else, but he never tried to do too much. When I talked to him during the ESPNU broadcast, I found his approach to this process to be correct: He wants to be a rebounder for an NBA team. He’ll move up in the NBA draft because teams can lock in what he’ll be and won’t have to worry about him in the locker room.

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by Buddahfan on May 20, 2011 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree with Geoff - the NCAA is the best predictor of NBA success

Is it a perfect measure? No, of course not. But it seems to me that too many of these Euro big men have have never really delivered the goods. If Brandon Knight is available at 5, I think you’ve got to at least consider him. Good size for his position, good defender, can score in a variety of different ways, and he improved throughout his freshman year. A lot to like there.

by Skywalker18 on May 20, 2011 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

the hell with kanter

Enes Kanter reportedly refused to participate in interviews with the Utah Jazz, Toronto Raptors and Milwaukee Bucks. The Jazz hold the No. 3 and No. 12 picks in the draft, the Raptors are the No. 5 pick and the Bucks are the No. 10 selection.

This early in the process, refusing to interview with teams is highly unusual. The only explanations: Kanter doesn’t want to play for those teams or he does want to play for someone else.

On Thursday, CSNWashington.com reported that Kanter’s preference was the Washington Wizards, who hold the No. 6 pick.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213796/Kanter_Declines_Pre_Draft_Interviews_With_Jazz_Raptors_Bucks#ixzz1MxJjFWeP

ya ummm i sure hope the raps dont draft this guy.

by sherwin316 on May 20, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's all overreact, shall we?

First of all, these types of manoeuvres are usually orchestrated by the agent, not the player. And they are rarely an indicator of how the player feels about a city of team. Before you say you don’t want to draft Kanter because of this, remember that Ed Davis refused to meet with Toronto last year. GOod thing they didn’t say “to hell with Davis”.

by Tim W. on May 21, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

i dont remember ed ever saying that

if you have any proof of ed saying that ok…but i dont remember ed saying that at all..the fact that kanter hasnt face any kind of competion in over a year and only decides to do workouts by himself nahhh i dont want the raps drafting him…NEXT.

by sherwin316 on May 21, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ed refused to workout for any team below 10 (I believe), because he believed he’d be drafted before that. Colangelo was asked about drafting a guy who they didn’t workout and he said that they’d seen enough of him to feel comfortable drafting him.

Kanter’s agent is probably trying to get him into a good situation. Maybe he feels that with Bargnani at center, there wouldn’t be a chance for Kanter to start in Toronto. Someone needs to let this agent in on some information about Bargnani in Toronto.

by Tim W. on May 21, 2011 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ed had at least proven himself and really believed he was gonna be drafted higher than he did, now that you mentioned it I do remember something like the raps couldn’t get ed in to workout cause of it. The fact tho kanter hasn’t played any meaniful games in over a year, doing 1 on nothing drills instead of going against actually compition and deny 3 teams which 2 of em have the top 5 pick and the bucks at number 10 I don’t think kanter or his agent have ground to say who should pick him, just doesn’t make sense to pull these kind of moves specially when no one knows anything about his game except him dominating 17 year olds at a nike summit game.

by sherwin316 on May 21, 2011 7:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

thats the thing

this situation is different than Ed. With Ed (as Tim pointed out) he thought he was going top 10, so it made sense not working out for a team that wasn’t going to get to take you anyways.

With Kanter, he’s skipping 2 of the 3 teams who are very likely to take him (but interested in playing for a team that drafts behind Utah and Toronto)

I’m not saying this is some slight against Toronto, but it definetely doesn’t have a reasonable explanation like Ed did (although him falling to 5 is unlikely). I find Utah the most intriguing as that seems to be the most generally accepted spot he would be drafted (at 3… although not necessarily with the bigs they already have). I do think though that this is more or less a hint to Utah and Toronto that, ‘hey if I do fall to you guys I’d prefer the guys behind you’.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on May 21, 2011 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Kanter Wants To Play For the Wiz and Flipper

Flipper my nickname for Flip Saunders one of my favorite NBA coaches. LOL

by Buddahfan on May 21, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Yes, the Ed Davis and Kanter situations are different. While Ed didn’t want to work out for teams past a certain point because he thought he’d be drafted earlier (why waste time), Kanter has picked specific teams and by refusing to interview has basically said “I don’t even want to talk to you”.

by MAS11 on May 21, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Davis was a different situation, but there are always reasons. The truth is, we have no idea what happened with the interviews or why. There is really no information out there other than 2nd and 3rd hand reports. It’s incredibly early in the process and Kanter has apparently rescheduled with the Jazz, so obviously we don’t know much of what the reasons were, if it happened at all.

by Tim W. on May 21, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hedo More Hedo and Even More Hedo

Don’t think for one second that Hedo and Kanter don’t know each other. You can also bet that Turk talked to Kanter about his perspective on what happened to him in Toronto.

Two Turks (as in country) Talking To One Another.

by Buddahfan on May 21, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kanter Declined To Be Interviewed By The Raptors

Enes Kanter reportedly refused to participate in interviews with the Utah Jazz, Toronto Raptors and Milwaukee Bucks. The Jazz hold the No. 3 and No. 12 picks in the draft, the Raptors are the No. 5 pick and the Bucks are the No. 10 selection.

This early in the process, refusing to interview with teams is highly unusual. The only explanations: Kanter doesn’t want to play for those teams or he does want to play for someone else.

On Thursday, CSNWashington.com reported that Kanter’s preference was the Washington Wizards, who hold the No. 6 pick.
Via Ben Golliver/CBSSports.com

http://is.gd/NcjjEC

by Buddahfan on May 21, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m reading the draft combine measurables and I find it intriguing that Kawhi Leonard has a bigger wingspoan than Enes Kanter

by Barflies on May 21, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

WOW!

Do you have a link to the measurements?

by MAS11 on May 21, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he apparently doesn’t want to play for raptors. I say screw him. Love to see Leonard and johnson fighting it out for small forward position, giving us some physical play and defense

by Barflies on May 21, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where did you read that he doesn’t apparently want to play for the Raptors? Or are you completely basing this on unsubstantiated rumours?

by Tim W. on May 21, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not tall, but he’s the same or similar height to Alonzo Mourning, DeAndre Jordan, Rasheed Wallace and Greg Munroe. And he’s got the same wingspan a Joakim Noah and the same reach as Nene. He’s also got pretty big hands, which is good.

by Tim W. on May 21, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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