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The Tipping Point

This past week saw some big announcements from Tristan Thompson, Cory Joseph and Olu Ashaolu.  What can't be lost is that this may be the tip of the preverbial Canadian basketball talent iceberg ...

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So it’s been one hell of an eventful week and holiday weekend in Canadian basketball circles.   

Not only was it announced that freshman forward Tristan Thompson was entering the NBA Draft but he was followed by Texas Longhorn teammate and long time friend Cory Joseph as well.  On a less ballyhooed note, Toronto’s Olu Ashaolu had announced quietly that he was also going to be testing the Draft waters despite reports of him having paid, or going to pay visits, to D1 schools in the coming weeks where he may play his final college year of eligibility.  Now all this news amounts to an unprecedented situation for us Canadian basketball fans:  We have several top tier talents heading into an NBA Draft as underclassmen.   

Now whether these three young men are better served staying another year, or years, on college is beside the point.  The fact that these three have made a decision to enter a Draft early says something of the state of the players that we have developing at this stage of our basketball scene.  And that statement is that we now have players that are able to play at the highest levels and this may only be the tip off the iceberg.  I mean really, when was there serious talk of any Canadian being drafted since Jamaal Magliore?

If you have been keeping up with the Canadians in the NBA, there are only five amongst the 450 (give or take a couple) of players that dot the many team rosters.  That amounts to 1.1%.  For a country that has seen many great players go through the basketball ranks over the last decade alone, that seems a little paltry.  These three have the opportunity to add to that pool of Canuck talent that is in the League for next year.   

Now let’s not go on thinking that there hasn’t been any Canadian talent that was Draft eligible in the past.  Since most of us have really seen the upswing in talent in the last decade or so, let’s keep the sample to since 2000.  There have been several of our boys that had seen great success at the NCAA level, and let’s face it will be a long time before we have anyone from the CIS being called by an NBA commissioner in June, but they have not had the high profile as Cory, Tristan or even Olu.  Arguably, Central Connecticut State’s Tristan Blackwood, Hawaii’s Carl English or Portland State’s Scott Morrison, for instance, could be viewed as great players having won major conference awards multiple years while being named to their schools respective record books for their career totals.  But could they have been viewed as Draft prospects? 

The short answer is not really. 

Though they were all very, very good players in their times, the question of were they able to compete at the highest levels consistently I’m sure popped up.  And I’m sure they all could have but that question is usually answered by lesser statistically dominant players playing on major teams in high end conferences.  Being on a team like say a Kansas State will go a long way to convincing anyone that he has skills to hang with the best of the best even if he only averaged 5 points and 3 rebounds in 15 minutes a game.   

With all that in mind, these three have very good resumes heading into the process.  Olu, who was a top 10 high school player in the US at one point, played in a lesser conference than the Dynamic Duo did (the Western Athletic Conference for you who don’t know) but his stats alone this season at Louisiana Tech warrant serious consideration for at least a camp invite (14.2 points, 9.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 1 steals including a 24 point, 18 rebound game this season).  The other two were major components for a team that made a good run into the NCAA Tournament before being upset by Arizona in the second round.  Thompson averaged 13.1 points, 7.8 and 2.4 blocks while Joseph averaged 10.4 points, 3.6 rebounds and 3 assists, both starters for the Longhorns.   

The best chance to get drafted will go to Thompson who showed what kind of player he was by winning Freshman of the Year as well as making the All Defensive Team and All Conference 2nd Team in the Big 12.  He clearly is the guy with the most upside than Ashaolu or Joseph at this point and is projected to be a 16th pick by www.draftexpress.com. (Incidentally, Joseph is rated 78 in Draft Express’ top 100 Draft prospects while Ashaolu is not among them.)  But regardless of whether he is or isn’t drafted, like the other two, we should rejoice in the fact that there are Canadian born players with this kind of cache to even evoke early draft hoopla.   

There is still time for all three guys to return to school since none have hired an agent at this point.  And in my opinion, with this draft being widely regarded as a weak draft class, it may be better for Thompson to stay in while the other two return for another year of seasoning.  But whatever the case, let’s just be happy that there are Canucks that have come along to at least get the world talking about how far we have come along as a basketball community in a very short time. 

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Tristan Thompson’s decision makes some sense because with all the guys that are pulling out of the draft his stock could benefit as a result.

I am not sure why Cory Joseph would want to declare for the draft when his chances of not getting picked are not that high. If he makes a strong showing in the pre-draft camps and workouts, maybe that would change. I guess CJ might be just testing the waters or perhaps he is worried about his playing time next year with Kabongo joining the Longhorns. I don’t get it….

Ray, can you give us more details on Olu’s situation. Is there any reason why he would want to forego his final year of elligibility?

by DW19 on Apr 25, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

With Cory

It’s important to consider that he may be forced to play out of position again next year with Kabongo coming in. Add that to the fact that the next 2 drafts are likely to be very very deep, his chances of going in the first round are low until perhaps his senior season. This may be his best shot until then, so he’s doing his due diligence and testing the waters.

by HDave on Apr 25, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree that testing the waters isn’t a bad idea as long as he maintains his NCAA eligibility. I think the question he has to ask himself is if he is willing to play in Europe/D-League next year. If not then he better pull out of the draft unless his stock starts rising soon.

by DW19 on Apr 25, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the assessment of CJ’s potential Draft status down the road. Let’s face it, he was recruited over and unless he’s going to be a Ben Gordan type player at the two, he’s a point guard at the next level. I think he’s just testing the waters now to see what he needs to improve on but if he’s just testing the waters, this is his only shot at doing this until he leaves for good so I hope the gamble pays off. I’ve heard talk that a team has guarunteed him being selected in the 2nd round but even that seems like a stretch at this point when you factor in the Euro guards that are available outside the NCAA ones. I think his workout schedule will be a telling one. I wouldn’t expect to see too many teams on his lists leading up to the Draft.

As for Olu, he’s completed his degree and has graduated from Louisiana Tech. He’s got the best of both worlds here: he’s a senior who is eligible to play right away since he’s got his degree as a transfer and he’s testing the Draft. Either way is a win-win for him right now. He’s has schools looking to pick him up for the coming season but I don’t know if he’ll be looking really hard at staying one more year. I had heard last year that he was looking to turn pro this summer but I guess keeping an option to return for a better senior season is a good look right now too. With the “weak” Draft, I would expect a bottom end 2nd round selection for Olu at best but a lot of possible camp invites post Draft if not picked up. Either way, he wins which is more than I can say for CJ at this point if things turn sour for him in the next few months.

Ray Bala
CANadian BasketBALL Report
on www.raptorhq.com

by rbala on Apr 25, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Olu

Wow, what an interesting situation he is in. One thing he could look at is going someplace like Ohio St. that has an excellent team, but a thin bench. He should get playing time and a shot at the NCAA title (and the exposure that comes with that).

by DW19 on Apr 25, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely

While I don’t have any thoughts on a particular school, there is no doubt Olu could seriously benefit from a season at a big-time program where he could go and have an impact right away on a team that is going to be top 15.

by RaptorsAddict on Apr 25, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a pretty good situation for Olu. I have heard that he’s been looking to visit some bigger schools as you two have mentioned he should do. Check out the link below for an interview he did earlier this month. He would be a welcome addition to any team I’m sure but the only concern I’d have is his size. He’s a great college combo forward, particularly at a mid major, but he would need to have more perimeter skills for a high major program I think. Remember he’s played low for the better part of his career in college while he’s a natural 3. He’s got good roots for that now but once he develops them, he’ll look really, really good to the pro scouts.

http://louisianatech.scout.com/2/1064633.html

Ray Bala
CANadian BasketBALL Report
on www.raptorhq.com

by rbala on Apr 25, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

re: overrecruited

Tristan and Cory have talked recently about making UTexas a destination for elite basketball players from the Toronto area. I wonder if agents and Grassroots Canada brass are taking note of the potential for Cory to be squeezed out of UT. There is an argument to be made that if your game needs alot of work before a legit shot at the pros, your better off at a slightly more low profile school, perhaps on that has a history of returning most of their underclassman. Even though you might not get minutes immediately (but have the advantage of focusing on practice, skills development, strength training) you would have the chance to increase your role year to year, and be featured just before your draft year.

Getting big minutes up front, only to lose them to the next young gun coming down the pipe…that doesn’t sound like its good for a players development. I get the sense that he’s seen the writing on the whole, and thought he came to UT for more then just a guarantee in the second round. Do you think having him redshirt and transfer to a mid-major to be featured as a point guard would be a smart move?

by Yardly on Apr 25, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

With regards to overrecruiting, it sure seems like it is the case with the PG spot and Myck Kabongo coming in for Texas. Cory is a combo guard, or could be anyway, even if his shooting this season didn’t reflect that. He can shoot the rock better than he showed this year so Kabongo coming in would only go to further showcase his shooting skill at the two, where he’d be shifted to. They can both co exist in the same lineup but the point duties will be removed from CJ which is a problem only because the one is where he’ll likely play at the NBA level.

As for transferring to a mid major, that would be a good move only if there is an inherent benefit and for him there really wouldn’t be. He will get a lot of playing time as a Longhorn and he will be able to play the point occasionally also so the move would be a step down. CJ dominating lesser competition doesn’t mean anything in this situation, at least in my opinion. Having to defend a guy as quick as Kabongo would only serve to benefit him for the pro level.

Ray Bala
CANadian BasketBALL Report
on www.raptorhq.com

by rbala on Apr 26, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

5 Canadians in the NBA?

Nash
Magloire
Joel Anthony
Andy Rautins
and… Dalembert? (I guess we didn’t rescind his citizenship?)

Don’t forget about Denham Brown – drafted by the Sonics in the 2ndc round of the 2006 draft after a solid career at UConn.

by B.C. on Apr 25, 2011 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Correct

I don’t count Denham since he didn’t play a regular season game for the Sonics. He get’s lumped into the same category as Carl English, Russell Hicks and Olu Famutimi – guys who made training camp rosters but didn’t make the team.

Ray Bala
CANadian BasketBALL Report
on www.raptorhq.com

by rbala on Apr 26, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

somewhat of a smart move ,

with some good players commiting to stay another year, this is somewhat of a thin draft and could move these guys up 5 rp 6 picks. And that means a lot of money, anyways i hope the raps find a way to get one fo them but not with the third pick.

by Jt Malley on Apr 26, 2011 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Thomson is ranked by the NBA analists to go 11th,

thats pretty good and maybe he could even get into the top 10. But Joseph isnt ranked in the top 60. Think he might of benafited for staying another year.

by Jt Malley on Apr 26, 2011 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Of course he would ...

There are rumours of second round assurances from teams for him but now knows. We’ll see as the weeks come.

Ray Bala
CANadian BasketBALL Report
on www.raptorhq.com

by rbala on Apr 26, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

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