Raptors' Colangelo Continues With Plan, Reportedly Set to Acquire Pietrus
The big news from last night/this morning might be around a certain current (or is it former?) New Orleans Hornets' guard, but more important for Raps' fans, it looks like Toronto has a starting small forward on the way, as well as a new group of owners...
And on the eighth day, the world exploded.
Ok, so there's no "eighth day," and only Twitter exploded but wow, what can you say about this thing we call the NBA?
First the ridiculous lock-out that dragged on for months before owners decided they even wanted to talk, then the sudden conclusion to said lock-out which saw the owners take much less of a hard stance than was expected.
Which begged the question, what the hell was this all about anyways, especially since the owners didn't end up with the hard cap they reportedly wanted?
Many answered by saying that the owners felt they got enough out of the proposed CBA that it evened the NBA's competitive landscape, a key issue for them.
But apparently they didn't get enough did they.
Because last night's ridiculous overturning of the "Chris Paul to the Lakers" deal was apparently a response to the very inequality the lockout was supposed to be about.
The funny thing is that New Orleans got a pretty good haul for CP3 including three near All-Stars and a first round pick in what promises to be a very strong draft. This wasn't getting the Williams' bros, Alonzo Mourning's contract and Joey Graham.
(As an aside, yikes, how bad does that look now.)
This was about as good as it gets for a superstar, and considering the potential frailty of said superstar's knees, potentially a win in the long run for NO.
But all that's for naught at this point, as David Stern buckled to pressure from owners, nixed the Paul trade, and as Ken Berger of CBSSports.com notes, turned the league into a Banana-Republic in one fell swoop.
I'm not going to get into all the in's and out's of this mess, but suffice to say that there will be lasting repercussions and who knows what happens now with future trades, not to mention the players involved in the original deal such as Paul, Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol. Nothing says "welcome to a new season" like being almost traded hours before training camp is scheduled to kick off.
Buried amongst the Chris Paul fiasco though are two important pieces of news this morning pertaining to the Toronto Raptors.
The first, that the parent company that owns the Dinos, Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, is being sold to not only one Canadian media giant, but two. Yes, not only will Rogers have a stake in the Leafs and Raps going forward, but so will BCE, the parent company of Bell Media.
As first reported by the Globe and Mail, the two media companies will own a combined 75 per cent share in MLSE going forward, with Larry Tanenbaum, chairman of MLSE, boosting his ownership stake to encompass the remaining 25 per cent.
It's an interesting situation, and one that we'll likely dive into more next week, but watching the presser live as I type this makes me wonder how this is all going to work. Maybe fans don't see much change in terms of day-to-day operations post-sale, but I'm guessing us media will, and you can bet that both Rogers and Bell will start finding ways to see an ROI from sports-crazed Canadians via this agreement.
And really the big question here is if these two media entities can work together. Apparently Rogers has the bigger share of the 75 per cent, and considering these two media company's pasts in terms of relations, fans can only hope on the "on-court and on-ice" product doesn't become impacted by boardroom power struggles.
Now for the second piece of news, which is actually Raptors and "on-court" related.
French media is reporting that Phoenix Sun Mickael Pietrus is on his way to Toronto.
The Raptors of course were looking to upgrade at the small forward position and appear now to have done so, acquiring Pietrus in a trade for a conditional second-round draft pick. The Raps will absorb the remaining one year and $5.3M on his salary, provided Pietrus passes his physical.
Oh, and if David Stern allows the trade to go through.
All jokes aside, this is another good move by BC in my books. I was never sold on James Johnson becoming a legit starting 3 option and Pietrus gives Toronto another veteran defender, plus someone who can spread the floor as a 36 per cent shooter from beyond the arc. These are both areas the Dinos needed upgrades in and while Pietrus statistically had a rough season last year, he could bounce back with a bigger role in TO. We're doing our due diligence on the apparent move right now, and will take an in-depth look at Pietrus once the signing is made official, although both he and Jamaal Magloire apparently are expected to be at the Raptors' annual Media Day, set to now take place this coming Monday.
Speaking of Magloire, we should hear some more news regarding his acquisition later today. ESPN.com's John Hollinger gave the move a thumbs down but I have to disagree with him here for a change. From the blurb on Magloire:
I just don't understand how this has any prospect of putting them in a better position in the three-years-down-the-road window when they'll be in a position to actually win something. You'd much prefer them to roll the dice on a young prospect with this money.
Hollinger's missing the big picture here where the point is for Magloire to only be a stop-gap for this season in order to MAKE WAY for the real team in three years. And "rolling the dice on a young prospect?" I'd be all for that too if you could point me in the direction of a single center that had any sort of "cheap upside."
Does he mean Solomon Jones?
Um...
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Two Things Here
As I posted elsewhere JM and MP have a combined 95 playoff games under their belt. They will IMO significantly help teach the young Raptors players how to win in the 4th quarter. This is critical if a young team wants to move up into the playoffs in the future.
Also please read this by Mark Cuban. Cuban says exactly the same thing that BC said in his recent presser on how management has to approach handling team salaries under the new CBA if they want to build a winning team.
Experience is needed
Agree completely! This is a smart move both on the court and in the accounting office. While I question Magloire’s leadership skills Pietrus has always struck me as a high intensity guy. In his career he has been starter and a sixth man and his effort hads never waned. His shot selection has also gotten better with age, a sign that he has a better understanding of the game with experience. This can only help Derozan, Bayless and JJ as perimeter players. Pietrus and Calderon are pros and make excellent on court coaches IMO.
According To What I Read Yesterday
JM was very well liked by his teammates. I don’t think you can discount that.
+1
From everything I’ve read about last year in Miami, he was a voice in the locker room, liked by his teammates, and loved by the fans similarly to how Reggie was loved here, although in a smaller role.
by dhackett1565 on Dec 9, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch...
Portland’s Brandon Roy has been diagnosed with a “career-ending (knee) injury,” league source confirms to Y! Sports.
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Under league provisions, Roy will get paid the term of his contract and his salary will come off Blazers cap after one full season away.
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So he won't be amnestied... and he hurts their cap position until next year...
Not that they necessarily were looking to use it this year anyway…
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Could Happen To Bosh Also
We all know that he has a degenerative knee condition. The Heat know it too and are trying to take steps to slow down its progression.
We shall see.
Possible NBA Trivia Question Regarding Raptors
This could happen in 2011-12
Name the only team in NBA history to start five players from different countries in the same game. Ans 2011-12 Raptors
Magloire – Canada
Bargnani – Italy
Pietrus – France
Calderon – Spain
DeRozan – U.S.A.
the spurs?
Manu
Parker
Duncan
Bowen
Rasho
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 9, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Another point on the Nixing of the CP3 trade
My understanding is that the teams involved will be contesting the actions taken by Stern et al. If so, other teams may wait for the final determination on this before making other free agent moves. So, this thing could derail the entire free agent/amnesty/trade process. What a mess…
Ugh… True. Can’t believe Stern still hasn’t publicly addressed this… Situation needs some serious PR work to bring it under control.
by dhackett1565 on Dec 9, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
No It Doesn't
CP3 will probably not file or lawsuit. It would be spitting in the collective faces of all Hornets fans.
Best to just move on to Raptors related stuff.
Take a look at the link I posted above Buddah.
Looks like all parties may challenge
Just Talk In My Opinion
Paul would be fool to go through with this.
A lawsuit will not be resolved before the season starts in less than three weeks.
Hornets fans would hate him and let him know if he files a lawsuit to get out of playing in New Orleans and is playing for the Hornets
That is the bottom line regardless of what others may say.
I’m pretty sure that Hornets’ fans already know that CP3 wants out. He said clearly he is not signing an extention and as per Broussard in the video in my link above, he has stated he is not reporting to camp. So, I don’t think he’s that worried about offending Hornets’ fans.
It Is Not The Same
for fans to hear rumors about a player wanting out and the player actually filing a lawsuit to get out.
The first you can brush off as rumor and just BS.
The second is there in black and white and in color on Judge Judy. LOL
Besides, its hard to spit in the face of fans when there may not even be a Hornets organisation in 1 year. The reality is that if ever a super star had a right to demand a trade, this is it. He is playing for a small market franchise that is owned by the league and now it would appear could not get better as the league seems bent on preventing any trade that could benefit the team in the long run. I understand why NO fans might be upset but this situation should not be subjected onto an all-star in his prime. It’s not like he knew there would be no owner when he signed his contract. I am not a fan of this trade from a top of the league gets better standpoint but there is no doubt that NO was better served with that deal then losing Paul for nothing next off-season.
+1
Free Chris Paul! Just not to those dastardly Lakers! LOL
Yeah I was up on arms about this trade but now I feel bad cause I never thought the NBA would step in and kibosh it. I mean if they were going to do that why didn’t they stop half the moves that the other big teams did (Garnett, Bosh/James sign-n-trades etc).
Because they can't
The only reason they were able to do this is because the own the Hornets.
You Should Talk With The Lakers Fans Like I Did This Morning
They hated the trade
It was a horrible trade for the Lakers. Destroyed their front court and left them with no PF and a too-oft injured Bynum as their only legit NBA Big man.
Maybe the trade was to be followed by a trade for D12. We will probably never know.
Even though I am more Clippers fan than a Lakers fan I still root for the Lakers and I am glad the trade was stopped. It would have been bad news for the Lakers leaving them with their best three players all of whom have surgically repaired knees and/or ankles.
The rumour was that this was step one and that if the Lakers had pulled off step 2 (Howard for Bynam) Laker fans would have loved it. I agree that it stripped them of their front court but I imagine there were other moves that would have been made (pushing Walton to retire and amnestying Meta WP to clear cap space to sign the front court help they needed (Chandler?). Do not forget that there are a number of solid back end rotation guys playing over seas that might consider signing smaller contracts to play with Paul, Kobe and Howard/Bynam/Chandler even if they had to wait a year. The fact is that Odom and Gasol are both getting up there and clearly they needed to do something because they almost lost to the Hornets in the first round and go swept in the second round.
I Agree If They Are Able to Get Both
then it will be be good for them.
Love the move, love the change in ownership.
Though, I am wary given how many times last year we were on the verge of signing or trading for someone and then… well, you know the rest.
I am encouraged by Rogers controlling the team, at least in part, because the leadership, ambition, direction, and transformation I have seen in the last couple of years with the Toronto Blue Jays is something I desperately want equalled with our beloved basketball team. I wonder if Jose Bautista has a jump shot…
Formerly known as timboslice85
by Rebrand_the_Raps on Dec 9, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions
Don't Expect MLSE To Up Their Spending On The Raptors To Ridiculous Levels
For one thing. You should read what Mark Cuban wrote about how the new CBA restricts teams from spending big money. He said the Mavs will be following BC building plan though he didn’t mention BC in what he wrote.
Cuban by he way voted against the new CBA ostensibly because of how it restricts teams from building winners by spending big bucks.
Read it here
If anything I expect the spending on Raptors to go down.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
You mean the same Blue Jays that spend below the league average?
Currently MLSE uses Leafs profits to help offset the losses the Raptors generate. They force corporate Leafs season ticket holders to purchase Raptors season tickets. Rogers are the richest owners in MLB but they spend like a small market team and get a free pass.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
You know that the Raptors are one of the few NBA teams that actually turn a profit right?
Yes, the corporate season tickets help with that but the Raps aren’t bleeding out cash like a stuck pig here…
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I know they make a profit
Didn’t you see the part about people being forced to buy season tickets? Hence, why if you go to a Raptors games you’ll see a lot of those boxes with the curtains shut because while the company is paying money for the box they’d rather save the extra cash they’d have to dish out for food/drink etc.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
It's pretty easy to make a profit
when you force the purchase of something.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
Force is a bit too strong a word for it. No one is putting a gun to anyone’s head here (that would obviously be illegal).
Tying the two together(Leafs & Raps) just makes sense. Rogers and Bell will probably do the same, like they do with their cable bundles. It would be stupid business for them not to use whatever methods they have available to sell as many tickets as possible for both franchises.
Plus, basketball is a great sport to watch. More Leafs fans ought to give it a try. There is no law against liking more than one sport.
What you said was they use Leafs Profits to help Offset Raptors Losses...
What I said was that the Raptors don’t have losses to offset…
Yes, the workings of the Tied-Selling of Leafs seats contributes, but even through the crappiest times at the ACC, the non ’curtained" seats remained steadily packed…
So the team wouldn’t be a sinking ship just because a dozen boxes weren’t purchased…
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If you think teams make more money on rows of seats in the upper bowl than “a dozen boxes” then you don’t know how the sports economy works.
Teams have had to scuttle arenas in both the NHL and NBA despite having great attendance because of a lack of corporate boxes. That’s how the money is made. Not based on fans in the Sprite zone.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
and do you think
the advertisers at the ACC pay for those handful of suits in boxes? or the 15000+ average guys that show up?
The Raps are regularily in the top 10 in attendance… only below that in and around their worst years. Yet they can still maintain, even with the 7th or 8th highest payroll in the league. The Raps aren’t the Lakers or Bulls, but they are good enough to be profitable and to drive business. The fact that the leafs are there just offers stability.
Toronto is big enough and more importantly, wealthy enough to maintain a sports franchise in nearly any sport… even when they suck. When they are great, they’ll make a fortune.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 9, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Once again it’s easy to be top 10 in attendance when you force people to buy Raptors tix.
My dad’s company used to own Raptors season tickets. Second row, platinum. I went to a few games and he gave many to customers but many were purchased and went unused.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
That being said
The Raptors should have a higher payroll. With Rogers and the way they’ve run the Jays it’s even less likely to happen.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
Also do you really think that selling 83.7% of capacity is steadily packed?
Sure the Raptors are one of the few teams in the NBA that make money but if you think they’d be in the same situation had they not been bought by the Leafs 13 years ago then you’re dreaming in technicolor.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
Did I even criticize the Raptors lack of success? I don’t know why you’re going there.
The Raptors have won one playoff round in their entire history. Both franchises are undergoing tough times but currently the Leafs are ahead of the Raps in the rebuilding process. Maybe if the Raptors have another tough season this year (likely) and draft high then the future can be bright.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
That being said
It’s hard to fault MLSE for the Raptors failings. They tried to hold on to Carter, McGrady, Bosh but it was not to be. If McGrady had stayed and Carter hadn’t decided to stop playing it would have been something special.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
So you start a rant / slash argument over how they don't spend money on star power, and you end with saying that they tried to spend money on stars that left... yup I can see how you would also be a Leaf fan...
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When did I say that MLSE don’t spend money?
For the reading impaired I said Rogers doesn’t spend money. Until today Rogers wasn’t part of MLSE.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
Ah-ha! That is indeed my bad... I do apologize...
And I apologize further for your Leafs…
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haha
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
Rogers have consistently shown they are not willing to take any losses on a sports franchise. They won’t increase spending on the Raptors.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
The Raptors don’t currently have the players that would justify increasing the payroll. It will be no use boosting the payroll with veteran FAs until the team adds more young talent to its core. The time to start spending bigger is probably a couple of years away.
That’s what they say about the Blue Jays too. With Rogers now in charge we’ll see if that happens.
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
To be fair about the Blue Jays situation, Roger’s is in an untenable situation there as they would have to commit to losing money in order to stand a chance (just a chance) to get into the playoffs. It simply does not make sense for them in the current alignment of the league to overspend when they have little chance currently of getting a return (playoff appearance). If they were to move divisions or Baseball actually enacted a true salary cap, things might be different but you cannot really expect them to spend 150 mil dollars just to compete with the top 2 teams in baseball.
George Cope (BCE) with very interestng comments regarding the Raptors/Basketball in Canada
He sees it as a growth oportunity. I know he also played Basketball in High school and university as well I believe.
Didn’t see the press conference, but was thinking the same thing…..
TSN and Sportsnet (their parent companies) now own the Leafs, Raps, etc.
Their goal will be to increase viewership to generate greater profits.
Is it even possible to get more Leaf viewers? They don’t exactly suffer from a marketing problem.
The Raps on the other hand are under-marketed at least nationally, if not in Southern Ontario. So there is a potential growth opportunity there. To me, that’s the most encouraging thing about this deal. TSN and Rogers will both want the Raps to be successful because it could have a major impact on viewership, which in turn would generate high add revenue.
Yup and being a BCE shareholder I know first hand that one of the companies virtues right now is a very positive cash flow. In the grand scheme of things, when you consider the growth potential of a successful Raptors team from a revenue standpoint, you have to think it makes sense to invest in player payroll. Which is good news for Raptors fans.
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
NBA teams informed of key dates today, sources say. Window to amnesty players is Dec. 9 (today) thru Dec. 16. Trade deadline is March 15
11 minutes ago
Haven't Heard
Dhackett would probably know.
I do know that you can use it only one time and on only one player.
You can use it
One time on one player signed under the old CBA. No time limit, but the player has to have been signed by the team during the prior CBA.
by IWillPartyHard on Dec 9, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Nets offering Nene 4 yrs 60-65 mil
How glad am I that BC decided to not go after the big name centers in this FA class. Guys are getting overpaid left, right and center. Thank god we are signing Magloire so we all don’t have to worry that BC will throw out an offer like this to Nene or Brown while he still can.
Teams are allowed to start camps today...
DeMar tweeted earlier “#trainingcamp” … whatever that means… lol
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Bird Joins BC and Cuban
TimDonahue8p9s Tim Donahue
A Mark Cuban Email Highlights Why Bird Covets Cap Space – goo.gl/9hAjJ
15 minutes ago
The best thing about the whole purchase
will be seeing the two sides argue about who gets to air what. The Raptors are the product they’ll now be forced to air on TSN, even though they’d rather not..
My rambling tweets
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
Glenn Davis Benefits Financially From Immense Celtics TV Coverage
and signs four deal for $24 million.
On his way to Orlando for B. Bass.
IMO Glenn Davis is not worth $6 million a year.
Happy Holidays Hornets...
As teams wait to re-engage Hornets on Chris Paul, here’s one executive: “Truly feel for those guys, but we’re all gonna lowball them now.” [via Twitter]
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concern about
the team being sold to Bell and Rogers….
…. how much will watching a game from home now cost?
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 9, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions
They split the games last year between Rogers and TSN. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when the broadcasting deal expires. Both networks made this purchase for content so they’ve definitely sat down and agreed to a bargaining process on how the content will be divided, if not already agreed to the division itself.
even on the radio end. You know that the Fan 590 would love to get Leafs games back which might mean the Raptors moving to TSN Radio or it could be TSN Radio just picks up the Leafs and Raps continue on the Fan.
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Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
What might have been huh?
Roy and Oden played together 78 times. The Blazers went 50-28 in those games. [via Twitter]
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Agreed, tough break for both the players themselves and the Blazers franchise. At the same time, I can’t say I’m shedding any tears for Paul Allen. With all the picks and deals he’s facilitated with cash, the Blazers have had an edge when it comes to acquiring extra draft picks and stack the deck in their favor come draft time.
In the case of Roy, his knee issues were widely known at draft time, and were probably THE contributing factor in him falling as far as he did. Given the injuries he’s had I think he had a good run. The fact they threw that long term deal at him, knowing what they knew about his health history, will probably go done as one of the bigger blunders of the Pritchard era.
Gary Forbes
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Gary Forbes is nearing a two-year contract with a team option for a third with Toronto, league sources tell Y!
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If the details are right, I love the Pietrus trade. Actually, I think I was suggesting a similar move last season. Nice short term fill in. If Pietrus fits in, he could lbe a great bench piece beyond this year, likely for less loot than he will make this season.
I also like the Magloire signing. I agree with what most of the posters were saying about that yesterday.
I admittedly have not watched Gary Forbes that much, but he seems like he could be a nice addition, assuming his price tag is pretty small.
Talkinf fantasy bball on twitter http://twitter.com/FinalsFantasy#
re: Gary Forbes
Gary Forbes “seems” like a similar player to Trey Johnson, perhaps even Quincey Douby before him. Great D-League scorer, not able to play the same role in the NBA. He’s got more size then the aforementioned two, perhaps insurance at both wingspots, especially when they hit one of those three games in three nights scenarios and want to rest a banged up player.
If it is in fact a two year deal with option for third, they must see the chance to develop him for a larger role down the line?
Given the bigmen we have coming, I’m perfectly ok with giving a veteran player like Magloire a spot on the roster. On the wings, would like to see a flyer taken a player who while raw is more…projectable? We still have roster room, so this possibility still remains. However, when in competition with other teams, I don’t think having Gary Forbes on the depth chart, in addition to the incumbants (DeRozan, Barbosa, James Johnson, Pietrus) in addition to Weems next year, is going to do us any favors.
Weems cause if he was a part of the plan he wouldn’t have taken the risk of going to Europe?
Barbosa in the case that he’s traded at the deadline?
Weems was going to get waived... Europe kept him paid...
Barbosa isn’t happy here and will get traded for a draft pick…
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In light of Barbosa’s comments regarding the end of the lockout, and having to leave Brazil so abruptly, I would say he’s more a homebody then necessarily displeased with Toronto as an NBA home vs anywhere else. Would like to see him translated into an asset we can grow with, no question.
re: Weems,
In a transition year, would have liked to have seen Weems play a season under Casey. He’s shown enough to be given another chance, especially if the dollars on the contract were minimal, probably less then a million. If he’s receptive to coaching, I think he has the tools to be a rotation player in the NBA. And if he turned out, he would be one of the few fliers that’s actually yielded a usable player for Colangelo.
Based on the brevity of his contract and the off year he had last year plus Phoenix’s penchant for doing things that save them money, I would guess its something like the Raptors will have to finish in the top 10 in the league over the next 4 or 5 years in order for Phoenix to cash in on the pick (similar to the deal we made when we traded Solomon).



























