How and when to keep DeMar and Ed around

by Rebrand_the_Raps on Dec 28, 2011 9:30 AM EST

I think we can universally accept here that DeMar DeRozan and Ed Davis are the prime building blocks for our team of the future, although I'm sure some people are little iffy on DeMar unless his D and competitiveness improves.

So, if these are the most important members of our young core, my question is; when do we try and sign them to extensions and how much money and years do we offer?

Being in the market we are in has to instill fear that our best American players will jump ship as soon as they can, I think there is reason to be scared with both these players, especially Davis who has shown he is not thrilled with being outside of his comfort level (I am citing those ridiculous stories about when he went to the UK and freaked out over the food there) and he may bolt to somewhere like Charlotte or Atlanta given half the chance.

Fortunately we don't have to worry about Amir Johnson not getting sick of Canada, if we can believe one of his latest tweets: "Man Canadian Tire has everything you need :)"

On a sidenote, another interesting bit of news from the twitter-verse is that Sonny Weems is in town to watch the home opener.

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DeMar probably gets an offer at the end of this season as he can then walk after the following season (his 4th). For this reason, DD really needs to show a solid improvement on both sides of the ball to get a good contract.

Ed Davis is under control for another 2 years. The team might offer him a contract that gives him security for a number of years after his 4th in exchange for a lower rate per year, but I see the two sides not talking contract seriously until after Ed completes his third season.

by siggian on Dec 28, 2011 3:45 PM EST reply actions

The More Years Argument Is Baloney When Applied to Players below 28 Years Old

Why?

A younger player will be able to sign a new contract at probably a lot more starting in that extra year than he gets for that extra year in the older deal.

Do the math. If a player is improving or has become a star during the four years the money difference in year five will become significant.

It is only for older players whose career will be winding down in year five who are more likely to want to take that extra year because most likely they would get more in the last year under the old contract than in the first year of a new contract. However, for younger players like Ed it is just the opposite.

by Buddahfan on Jan 1, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions

Huh?

Yes, if a player becomes a star in his first 4 years, his first free agent contract will be very expensive. If the player is willing to stay, the team can offer a long term contract. The player gives the team a little break on his price per year because he now has a guaranteed contract beyond his rookie years. The discount is because the team is assuming some risk that the player becomes severely injured or otherwise unable to play in his final rookie contract year. If the player is unwilling to give the discount, there’s not much point in signing him early.

Rookie contracts don’t apply for veterans so I’m a little confuse about why you included them here.

by siggian on Jan 2, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions

I think some people pile on dd rather unfairly. you have to remember that the kid’s only 22 and having the year he did in triano’s weak systems probably screwed up his defensive development quite a bit.

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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 29, 2011 1:25 PM EST reply actions

Trade Bargnani and Sign/Draft a solid SF

The above coupled with solid coaching from D. Casey should let Ed and Demar know that the team is serious about contention going forward. Clearing Bargnani signals that this team will no longer be beholden to the golden cow and will clear the necessary cap space to sign both Ed and Demar and ensure flexibility going forward.

by MAS11 on Dec 30, 2011 3:22 PM EST reply actions

I'm not sold yet

I like Ed & DD, but neither of them has shown they should be getting max deals. Let’s not go “all-in” on either of these guys until we’ve seen more. And that goes for trading Andrea as well – why would we dump the guy when the light bulb FINALLY appears to be turning on? I say let’s hold our noses & get through this miserable season with the young core intact. If you want to deal somebody, make it an older guy. Butler has been a disappointment, and the few moments I saw of Forbes against the Pacers made me wonder if the guy could start in the D-League.
If the ping pong balls bounce favorably, we could be in a wonderful position, and that may be the time (i.e., in the frantic run-up to the draft) to dump a youngster to grab a talented veteran. But not before.

by Newmarket Brian on Jan 1, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions

I agree with pretty much all of this

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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 2, 2012 6:46 AM EST up reply actions

I don't think any team offers DD a max deal

At this point, you might offer him a deal after his third year, but I’m with you on waiting.

by siggian on Jan 2, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions

Rookies are restricted FA even if all four years of their rookie deal are exercised. In that situation, the advantage of signing early is that you gamble they will outperform their contract down the line. Would be more comfortable with an upperclassman, since they would have a larger body of work to judge from. I would be hesitant with most players that entered the NBA after only one season of college. I would want that extra year of evaluation, especially if they came into the NBA raw.

by Yardly on Jan 3, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions