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It's that time of the year again where previews dominate NBA reading material. Conference, league, MVP, D-League...you name it. We'll kick our bunch of preview links off with Zach Lowe from Sports Illustrated's "tiered" take on the league, that puts the Raptors...well...in the "just lousy" category.

ESPN.com used Basketball Prospectus' SCHOENE methodology to look at the Eastern Conference (Insider) and again, the Raps didn't fare too well. From the post:

The Raptors still are building back up from the abrupt end of the Chris Bosh era. New coach Dwane Casey will begin by trying to end Toronto's two-year streak of finishing dead last in Defensive Rating.

That was pretty much it, except for the Raps being slotted under the "heading for the lottery" category.

Also from ESPN Insider, John Hollinger on the Raptors' fortunes this season:

Toronto has finally come to grips with reality. No longer are the Raps delusional about loading up on mediocre veterans with long-term deals, nor about winning games without bothering to play defense. With Toronto again last in defensive efficiency in 2010-11, the overmatched Jay Triano was finally shown the door. Replacing him is former Dallas zone defense maestro Dwane Casey, who now must upgrade one of the most pathetic defensive outfits in league annals...

He predicts the team to hit 19 wins, and a bottom three finish in the East, but is bullish on Toronto's future up front:

In fact, Toronto's frontcourt looks pretty darn good going forward. First-round pick Jonas Valanciunas won't be coming over this season, but at only 19 years of age, he ranks among the best players in Europe and looks like a star in the making. He and Davis could be a fearsome combo in five years; Bargnani, whatever you think of him, would make for a pretty potent sixth man in that arrangement.


Hmm...Bargs as a 6th man option? Where have we heard that before...

Continuing on with previews, at SB Nation, the Dinos are slotted in the basement once more under the heading, "when keeping it real European goes wrong."

They also failed to impress in SB Nation's annual "Watchability Scale."

More previews? How about Hickory High's NBA Anti-Awards, which is led by Mr. Bargnani.

(More lunchbox links after the jump...)

Star-divide

I suppose even without previews, we had a pretty good idea of how Toronto would be ranked by various NBA types. A tough schedule early on doesn't help, and in the end, the Raptors have the worst odds in the league in terms of winning the NBA title.

Yes, shocking.

So maybe Toronto is trying to compensate in other ways, like providing some mesmerizing effects on the baseline of the ACC?

Or providing top notch in-game experience via their D League Squad, the Bakersfield Jam, as reported by Stadium Journey?

Or maybe management is ok with these types of preseason report cards as they know that it's the season after this one, that the real push will be made. For now, they're simply going to freshen things up with a coat of paint.

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LOL... Yup this is about right.... From the NBA Anti-awards

“The Andrea Bargnani Award (Formerly the Darius Songaila Award)– This award goes to the player who has provided his team with the least overall production. I use Wins Produced to determine the winner here. (Minimum 500 minutes)

Andrea Bargnani led wire to wire, walking away with the award by a fairly wide margin. In terms of negative production we really haven’t seen anyone else on Bargnani’s level. As long as Dwayne Casey keeps him on the floor for 35 minutes a night, this is Bargnani’s award to lose for years to come."

Looking forward to another year of him sucking minutes away from Ed Davis!

by MAS11 on Dec 22, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Raptor Bashing

To all these people in the media and the HQ comment board that constantly dismiss the Raptors and continuously rip Bargnani for his lack of production, you’re right…

by Turksucks on Dec 22, 2011 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

a little something to add to the link board

http://blogs.thescore.com/raptorblog/2011/12/22/this-is-just-too-juicy-carlesimo-on-trianobargnani/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:thescore/raptorblog(RaptorBlog)&utm_content=Google+Reader

“After being told about an idea that would allow the Nets guards to crash the boards while the bigs made a dash up the floor, Carlesimo, who served as an assistant under Triano last season, had this to say, according to Abrams:

"That’s what I wanted to do with [Andrea] Bargnani last year, but [former Raptors coach Jay] Triano wouldn’t let me," Carlesimo says. "He said it was demeaning. At least our smalls had a chance of getting the rebound."

ouch

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 22, 2011 4:06 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Ummm, wow

Jason Kidd got has many rebounds as an aging pg than Andrea did as our centre. Or about the same, which is pathetic. He also played with Chandler, Dirk, Matrix, Butler who are all aggressive rebounders in front of him.

Wow, I am even more upset. He belongs on a Don Nelson GS team. If Casey is going to give this franchise a new on court persona…..he has to go or it is all just lip service and how can we take Dwayne as credible? I understand we have to give it some time, but when we have and we are at the same point we are today, when is do we abandon ship?

I would trade Andrea for Lou Williams in a second.

by defensive rap on Dec 22, 2011 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

right

as you do not deserve anything better than Lou Williams in your team…

by renato on Dec 23, 2011 5:54 AM EST up reply actions  

After 2 Groundbreaking games

the Results are in:

  • More Bargnani bashing ….. < sigh > …. he only got 4 rebounds … yada yada yada …. even though we out-dueled them on the boards (17-11 Offensive & 31-27 defensively). He was also 6-12 at the start of the 4th Quarter – the point in time when the game was all but said and done. Actually, it was done way before that, but under the Chuck Swirsky rules, the 4th Quarter was the appropriate moment to "get out the salami & cheese". By the way … I kinda miss Chuck.
  • We’re still assessing Bayless as a maybe Starting PG ….. maybe. Someone cherry-picked his plus/minus stat (+10 total), to show he’s doing the right things (ie. defense) – forgetting he had 5 assists (2 as a Starter) in 46 minutes of play, to go along with a .308 average.
  • BC picked up some fill-in players …. Why aren’t they playing like Stars?
  • Ed Davis is showing us a decent game (F/T% excepted). To those who say he should be playing more minutes (instead of Bargnani), is a debatable strategy. It’s somewhat reminiscent of Toronto style rookie development that throws kids to the fire – because that’s how one learns? IMO, playing him 32 minutes – assuming his body can handle the banging on a regular basis – is fraught with so much risk. Let the kid develop.
  • Was it me, or did Raptors start off like crap without Jose?
  • Alabi played 5 minutes – I can read the foreword in a book and get more insight.
  • Demar is a punk – or so Tommy says
  • According to MAS11 …. on Bargnani`s efficiency – "It’s the number one issue/contraversy this season. Really?"
  • And last but not least …… it`s pre-f*@king-season guys …. and girls.

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by RapthoseLeafs on Dec 22, 2011 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

Those comments were made by Raptor fans(supposedly) so don’t get to mad at them.

P.S. Were you being sarcastic when you said “BC picked up some fill-in players …. Why aren’t they playing like Stars?” If so, please follow such statements with BARGS. Thank you.

by McGateway on Dec 22, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes on the fill-ins ...

and I like that we all have opinions
BARGGGGSSSS.
.
JK

I value perspectives, Doug Smith or not…… Never dismiss an idiot, nor be arrogant – although, If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.

P.S. And I don`t mean to label Doug an idiot – I`ll leave that for others.
.

by RapthoseLeafs on Dec 22, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it's Pre-season

and it’s only 2 games, but Raptors were 3rd (overall) in fewest point allowed. That has to count as a little positive.

Unfortunately, we were last in points scored.
.

by RapthoseLeafs on Dec 23, 2011 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

I know its early

so I am a little confused why everyone is is basing everything on two pre season games against the same team. If we played like Cleveland or something the score would have been higher and we would be saying wow there offense looks so good. Boston was the best in the league last year in allowing the least points allowed plus the flow of the game is a lot slower due to the pace. so since we did not score much that means we need to bring in new offensive weapons? wow and now the defense is better then offense? why don’t we wait for a few games at least to judge. same team, slow pace equals worst in points allowed and points scored…. its very simple, lets not read so much into stats

by demarD on Dec 23, 2011 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

Waiting

Ok, I can wait. But once we get going and the same issues surface my patience is a bit limited due to the past experiences I have had waiting for that strategy to work out.

What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. If we continue on the same path and nothing changes, then as fans, we start to feel like the train we are on is “Insane”

by defensive rap on Dec 23, 2011 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

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