J. Bayless and J. Johnson Must Show Worth for Raptors This Season
We know all about names like DeRozan and Davis, and where they fit in the Raptors's plans. But what about guys like James Johnson and Jerryd Bayless? The HQ's Scott Campsall takes a look...
We have been hearing the same mantra for months now. The most important part of the upcoming season will be the growth and development of the young core the Raptors currently have under contract. Management and the coaching staff have committed to this plan full force as evidenced by both the free agent moves that management has made, and the ways in which the coaching staff have discussed how they plan to manage the rotation this season.
This means we can expect the young players-DeMar DeRozan, Ed Davis, Amir Johnson, Jerryd Bayless and James Johnson-to play extended minutes over the course of the season.
Now playing more minutes doesn't necessarily equate to development of talent; this is where the process of talent evaluation is going to come into play for the coaching staff, and for the front office. If certain players don't show that growth and development over the course of the season than they very well may find themselves on another team come opening day of 2012.
But of the five aforementioned youngsters, the upcoming season is not only going to be about development. Some of it will come down to proving they even belong in the league, let alone with this team.
Demar Derozan was a high first round pick, and a guy that this team has all but committed to building around as one of their main building blocks; Ed Davis is another guy that fell into the Raptors lap in the draft and has shown a specific skill set to defend and rebound, to the point where I believe the coaching staff is comfortable with what he can and cannot do. And Amir Johnson has far acceded expectations in almost every area of his game; at this point, it seems like you know what you are going to get out of Amir Johnson on a night to night basis.
That leaves perhaps the two most interesting young players on the Raptors roster not named Andrea Bargnani.
Yes, what about Jerryd Bayless and James Johnson?
Are they part of this team's future?
Both come into this season with a great deal to prove. Neither have a particularly comfortable contract-Bayless is a restricted free agent at season's end and Johnson has one year remaining on his deal after this season-like Ed Davis and Amir Johnson, and neither have really proven their worth on an NBA roster as of yet. For both of these players the upcoming season will be about taking advantage of the minutes and roles they will be given and showing that they can be effective NBA players.
Bayless is undoubtedly a skilled player; he came into the league with high expectations and was considered a steal when the Pacers-who eventually dealt him to Portland-drafted him 11th overall in 2008. He has shown a clear ability to get to the basket and score, but what he has not shown is the ability to run the point and get his teammates involved on a consistent basis. Up to this point, Bayless' production could perhaps be explained by a lack of opportunity to play extended minutes and show his skills as a floor general. That is until last season when he fared relatively well after being given the reigns as a starter for the final stretch of the season.
Yet, the question still remains; can Jerryd Bayless be a starting point guard in the NBA?
There have been glimpses, you could see them even in Toronto's pre-season match against the Celtics, but they just haven't been consistent. One minute he's finding Ed Davis under the rim for a dunk, thanks to a sweet no-look pass, the next, he's leaving his feet to make a play, resulting in a turnover.
We simply do not know the answer yet regarding Bayless' future at the 1, but what we do know is this: if he doesn't show that he can be that guy this season, he may never get another opportunity to show that he can run an NBA team again.
That doesn't mean that he won't crack an NBA roster ever again, because he will. It just means that if he doesn't figure it out this season, he may see his career mirror that of a player like Jason Terry, who has made a heck of a career out of being a high energy scorer off the bench but never quite figured out how to be a starting point guard in the league.
James Johnson is in a similar position at this point in his NBA career. Johnson is a little younger, yet he doesn't have the glitz that comes with being a lottery pick and was given up on rather quickly by an NBA institution of sorts in the Chicago Bulls.
During his short stay in Toronto he has already shown that he has some surefire NBA skills; he can rebound, defend and even block shots (as we saw against Boston Sunday.) But where's the O? All of those skills are fine if your goal is to be a backup, but James Johnson doesn't seem to keen on spending his career coming off of the pine. For Johnson, this season will be all about how well he can shoot the ball, in addition to doing all the other things he has shown he can do on a regular basis, otherwise it could be argued that Toronto was better off keeping Julian Wright, who does many of the same things.
If the Raptors have indeed committed to DeMar DeRozan, which it seems like they have, than they are going to need a small forward that is going to make the 3 point shot on a consistent basis. DeMar hit the long ball against Boston and worked hard on this area of his game in the off-season, but a consistent shooter beside him couldn't hurt. The Raptors' coaching staff can preach defense all they want, but at the end of the day if you cannot make shots than you cannot win games.
Having said that, Johnson has gained some leeway with his play as a starter last season and unlike Bayless, he has a more realistic opportunity to begin the season as the starting small forward of the Toronto Raptors. Whether or not he keeps that job will depend entirely on how well he performs during the beginning stretch of the season.
Above all, it will be important for both players to get consistent minutes this season and develop their skills in game situations. Both have seen enough time on practice courts, the real test here for both Johnson and Bayless will be to prove that they can hang as starters at the NBA level. There future in the NBA is on the line, and both these guys know it.
With the Raptors win-loss record something that Dino fans are already beginning to deem unimportant, it will be the storylines of players like Bayless and Johnson that keep the upcoming season compelling.
SCOTT CAMPSALL
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I think we all need to at least cross our fingers with Bayless as we definitely do not want to waste a high draft pick on a PG at this stage. Having a serviceable starting PG is fundamentally important to almost any winning formula and I would rather draft another position if possible (Wing, another Big etc).
Love Jonas but......
I was sure we were drafting Brandon Knight that night. Watching him play the other day makes me think we erred not taking him. If Bargnani plays D and with Davis getting bigger and better, the minutes will be limited for Jonas next year. If we finish middle of the road in the NBA this season, a talented PG(at least NBA ready like Irving, Knight, and Kemba Walker) won’t be available. If we have a glaring hole here come the end of the season, we’ll be in trouble in filling it. Knight behind Jose Calderon IN HINDSIGHT, seems a better fit going forward, than looking for Bayless to evolve in his fourth year. If Jose tanks playing Coach Caseys “D”, his time as a raptor is over, if he excels the team will too. Then and only then will Demar Derozan grow into our Kobe Bryant. If he tanks, we get another big man and try to move up for the best PG available in the draft.
Irving, Knight and Walker?
Jumping the gun calling any of the 3 nba ready
Walker
Did you watch the game?
1. He still can’t shoot and never will be able to
2. He won’t be able to defend NBA guards He is too small and he ain’t to CP3.
3. He scored his points against two guys named Sloan and Wannamaker. Who? You can find out more about them on Google. Though IMO it will be a waste of your time as it was a waste of my time.
Knight looked good and IMO showed more all-around game than Irving in their first NBA pres-season games.
Top five 2011 picks as I see it now
1. Jonas
2. Kanter – Had 10 boards in his debut yesterday
2. D. Williams
4. Knight
4. Jimmer
Combined Totals For Favors and Kanter Last Night
Minutes – 49
Points – 31
Rebounds – 22
They could become the best pair of Bigs in the NBA in a couple of seasons.
Nah Man, I watched Detroit the other night and Knight looked awsome. He's NBA ready no doubt.
By mid season he’s gonna be perfectly comfortable in the NBA. He’s lightning quick and strong too, I was surprised at how well he played the other night. Walker looked himself lastnight, a scorer :). Never really liked Irving and still need convincing but he didn’t look awful the other night.
Right Now
I have Irving and Knight #1 and #2 in the ROY race with JImmer #3
Kanter and Williams won’t start. Don’t know about Jimmer. Even if does he will play most of his games with a starting time when people on the East Coast are going to bed.
Knight and Stuckey will make a VG back court pair.
However over their careers I think Jonas, Enes and Williams will have a greater impact in the NBA with regard to their teams winning. JMO
+1
Knight looked pretty good the other night agaist Cleveland.
Knight looked pretty good the other night agaist Cleveland.
Indeed.
by dhackett1565 on Dec 21, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Was Howard the Duck in attendance?
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by Mikthaniel on Dec 21, 2011 9:20 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You're a hater already
Bottom line is that if you have an opportunity to draft a game changing centre which Jonas has the potential to be you do it. It means nothing for us that he wont be able to play for the raptors this season were better off having him battle in a solid league against men for another year while we get another high draft pick and add harrison barnes, anthony davis, perry jones etc…There is also an opportunity to make a trade for another first round pick. If we can end up with another pick from the 10-15 range we could end up stealing a solid point guard
Jonas Will Be A Real Impact Player In The NBA
Depending on how long he plays for the Raptors IMO he has a shot at becoming the #1 Raptors player of all time.
Just saying.
It Will Be An Interesting Season 4Sure
Hope that none of the guys get injured so BC and DC can make good evaluations based upon a fair sampling of minutes.
So far, so bad for Bayless
It’s one preseason game but I thought Bayless was really UNimpressive. He was picking up his dribble way too fast and getting stranded with no good options. I’m all for seeing what he can do but think our PG of the future is going to have to come from elsewhere.
Hopefully Bayless improves. I wouldn't write him off at 23yrs old tho. He's got some game but needs
consistency. If not a starter I think we should keep him around as a back-up who challenges the starter for the spot.
I think we know what type of player he is by now...
You just don’t know how good he will be…
At 23 he has room to learn and improve, yes. But he is very unlikely to reinvent his game…
It seems to me that he is a hard nosed, score first, guard who is too small to be a two guard.
He needs to find a home alongside a two guard who handles the “point” duties or a point-forward…
He would have flourished with a Magic Johnson, or even beside D-Wade or Kobe etc…
He doesn’t have the proper mentality for running the offense, but can be a very key component of a team’s future in the right scenario…
Unfortunately for Jerryd, there are no point-forwards or 2-Guards with appropriate handles for that to work out on this Raptors squad…
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Fox Sports Starts Season Power Rankings With Raptors #24
You can read their comments about the Raptors on the link
Betfair has them 300-1 to be champs.
Which is the biggest odds offered on any team.
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by Rebrand_the_Raps on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think the ranking is pretty good
they have the Jazz making the playoffs (8th best team in the west) which I don’t buy. I fully expect the GSW to hold that spot.
The bottom 7 teams will probably be easily interchangeable though.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Dec 20, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
At first
I thought, no way can there be 6 teams that are worse than the Raptors. And then I looked at their list and kind of found myself agreeing with how they ranked the bottom. I’m sure that the Bobcats and the Hornets will be worse. I can see where some of the others might play better than the Raptors but I can also see why they would be worse, too.
bobcats sure, but I bet the hornets outperform the raps. Granted, there offense will be atrocious but with Okafor in the middle and Gordon/Ariza on the wings they could easily have a top 10 D
But The Raptors Have Aaron Gray In the Middle
Hornets will be disappointed that they let him get away. LOL
+1
New Orleans has a better “ready now” team than the Raps with Kaman, Okafor, Ariza and Gordon. I fully expect them to have more wins than the Raps at the end of the season.
But Their Conference Is About Twice As Good
There are really only three top teams in the EC
Chicago
N.Y.
Miami
All the other teams range from pretty good to horrible.
you wouldn’t put the celtics in there?
too old?
by Justin Azevedo on Dec 21, 2011 3:32 AM EST up reply actions
As an outside observer
it seems to me that JJ is a more flexible and adaptable basketball player than Bayless, or rather and more importantly seems to be a player more willing to change his game, trust in coaches, and play a role that has been designated to him. I feel as if Bayless very much plays his own game, and believes he knows his game better than anyone else and that his choices will translate to success on the court – which is fine, and something you’d expect from a professional athlete, but I’d rather he recognize his limitations and accept that he does not deserve the last and final word on how he should play on this team.
Also, does anyone else notice that Bayless gets drawn into a lot of 1-on-1 battles with other PGs when he is on the floor, as if he is always trying to prove his worth against them. It comes off as very selfish, especially when it makes him give up on easy passes for extremely hard handles and lay-ups. Little too much pride, not enough trust in his ’mates and coaches, in my opinion.
Formerly known as timboslice85
by Rebrand_the_Raps on Dec 20, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions
re: Bayless and Johnson
Bayless seems like someone who’s already worked to refine elements of his game, it just seems that due to physical limitiations, ie too small to be a SG, he has to shoehorn his skills into another role if he wants to start. He already has a style of play, one which puts a ceiling on how far he can progress in the rotation. To breakdown something which already works on some level is a more difficult task then that which is asked of James Johnson. I don’t think Bayless was ever required to consider the needs and preferences of the other four players on the court when he was coming up through the AAU and college ranks.
James Johnson, though older then Bayless, isn’t as refined. However, the Coach’s emphasis on stops and deflections, combined with his physical tools make a defense-first bent a surer path to starting (on this team). His offensive game seems much more hit or miss then that of Bayless, In time, I’m sure he can earn himself a greater share of looks on offense, provided he puts the work in to take advantage of those opportunities.
I Am Looking Forward To See What Forbes Can Contribute
Not impossible that he could be starting by March. Not saying it will happen but ISTM that it will be interesting watching the SF battle especially once Kleiza returns.
Myck Kabango has serious potential
I hope he stays for another yr after this one before coming to the NBA. If he declares next yr tho he’d be worth trading for
nothing will keep the season compelling from a fans perspective unless they make the playoffs
But it will be interesting to watch how individual players develop. Compelling is too strong a word. It would be compelling to see them make the playoffs, but it seems such a long shot.
JJ is like the opposite of Hedo to me, and plays more the way I want although neither is perfect. Hedo was brought in on a 50+ million dollar contract whereas JJ was had for next to nothing. Hedo was supposed to make us contenders and JJ wasn’t expected to do anything. I hope their stays in Toronto turn out to be as opposite as the way they play and the expectations of them when they arrived in Toronto.
Forbes
He can leave a better legacy in Toronto than Hedo as well. I like Forbes so far.
JJ & JB
I like JJ, he plays hard and does many things well, except scoring… In no way is he starting on a playoff caliber team but this year’s version of the raps is gonna stink, so I don’t mind him starting THIS YEAR… However, hopefully we pick up a stud SF in the upcoming draft and JJ gets moved to the bench… I think JJ would make a great bench player since his lack of scoring ability wouldn’t be magnified and his hustle and versatility would shine
Bayless looked pretty bad in the game against the celts… He’s a decent player overall but it’s getting to the point where I can’t really envision him being a starting pg on a playoff team… I think he would be a great first guard off the bench kinda player… if we can manage to snag an extra 1st round pick for next year’s draft and get a franchise pg with bayless backing them up, I’ll be more than pleased
I know it's only one pre-season game...
… but Bayless looked absolutely terrble agains Boston. I got cold sweats as I started to get Milt Palacio flashbacks it was so bad!
On the other hand, James Johnson has a chance to be a special player defensively. I don’t necessarily agree that he has to develop a diverse offensive game in order to be an effective starter on a successful team. All he has to do is establish a consistant open jump shot (from 15 to 20 ft) and be a superior finsisher (which he almost already is with his athleticism). I said it a few days ago in a thread, but I’ll say it again. I was really impressed with him against Boston. The 4 blocks in 10 mins was awesome, but the rotation d he played was solid as well. He’s the kind of dude who’s good for forcing 2 to 3 turnovers a game just by getting after it. He can play on my team anyday…
Clippers To Sign Reggie
This is hysterical.
Marc J. Spears
Clippers are signing free agent forward Reggie Evans, a source said.
Everyone here knows I am no Reggie fan but a Clippers fan.
It must be basketball Karma. LOL
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