Sim Season - Nowitzki 3-pointer gives Mavericks Edge Over Raptors 102 - 100
In our continued look at Basketball Prospectus' simulated season, the Raps come up short thanks to a late Nowitzki 3...
So is this really D day?
I mean, we've had some "fake D-Days" I'd say in the past few months regarding labour talks, but today really could be the final go-round.
The owners are locked in regarding their demands, and the players have been left with little recourse but to continue to back-peddle on the vast majority of issues, right down to what now appears to be a 50/50 BRI split, something that at one point seemed inconceivable considering the players' association's original stance on the issue.
But has there been enough back-pedaling in the minds of the owners?
That's the million dollar question for today's arranged negotiating session, ahead of the league's 5 p.m. ET deadline for the players to accept the owners' last offer.
In addition, there's talk of the players demanding the owners address various "system issues," so will the owners "throw the players a bone" so to speak? Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated does a good job here of summing up the various issues in talks and where both sides stand.
And really, after conceding on some of the big issues like the BRI split, doesn't this just amount to saving face for the players association?
In any event, I'd say we'll know later today whether we have an NBA season to look forward to or not.
And while that's still playing out, we'll keep pretending the season is in fact underway by keeping track of Basketball Prospectus' continued "Sim Season," one that unfortunately we're a day behind in recapping thanks to a later-than usual post by Basketball Prospectus yesterday.
In any event, Monday night saw the Toronto Raptors drop a very close match to the Dallas Mavericks.
MAVERICKS 102, RAPTORS 100: The Mavericks evened their record at 2-2, but it required quite a comeback and quite a finish to escape with the road win. Toronto jumped out to a 16-point first quarter lead behind eight points apiece from James Johnson and DeMar DeRozan. Dallas finally caught up on a Jason Kidd three-pointer early in the second half, but the Raptors recovered and built a 14-point bulge on Leandro Barbosa's trey with 9:52 to play. From there, the Mavericks reeled off 10 straight, six by Dirk Nowitzki. The Mavericks went ahead on Jason Terry's fastbreak layup with 2:21 to play and Nowitzki capped an eight-point run with another transition bucket. The Raptors responded, getting a traditional three-point play and four free throws from Andrea Bargnani. The latter pair of charity tosses came with 22 seconds to play and put the Raptors up by a point. Kidd pushed the ball up for Dallas, dished to Shawn Marion, who handed off to Nowitzki at the three-point line ... BANG! The Mavericks were up a deuce and Toronto coach Dwane Casey signaled for a timeout. On the inbounds, Bargnani popped out to receive the pass, handed to DeRozan and cut for the basket. DeRozan dumped to the slashing Bargnani who went up for a runner which was ... REJECTED! ... by Dallas' Tyson Chandler. Ballgame.
Anyone else able to picture this ending in vivid detail?
A blocked Bargnani runner?
This sim season stuff is starting to feel pretty real as the loss drops Toronto to 1 and 3 on the season so far, and with games coming up against the Clippers, Grizzlies and Thunder, all on the road, it's quite possible that we're looking at a 1 and 6 start.
In the Monday night match, Andrea Bargnani was Toronto's main gun again putting up 28 points on 9 of 22 shooting, while grabbing 10 boards as well in a very complete double-double.
In fact he outplayed the player he's often compared to, Dirk Nowitzki, as Disco Dirk had less points (24), fewer rebounds (4), and was less efficient from the field.
However it was other Mavericks like Shawn Marion and Tyson Chandler that picked up the slack and Dallas finished with five double-figure scorers.
Toronto got a very efficient 21 points from DeMar DeRozan and James Johnson finally showed some life, but hitting 2 of 10 from downtown didn't do them any favours.
As usual, our take on the outcome:
Three reasons this outcome makes sense:
1. Starting with the "on-paper analysis," Dallas, the defending NBA champs, are the more talented team, and thus it's no stretch for them to get this win. The fact that it was so close isn't even that strange as last season Toronto beat Dallas in Big D in a match of two teams missing key players, and even though they lost to the Mavs at home in their second meeting, the Raps held their own for most of the game before succumbing to Dirk Nowitzki's excellence.
2. Toronto's shooting percentages in this match are nearly identical to those of last year's matches versus Dallas. Toronto shot 48% from the field last season versus Big D and shot 49% in this simulated match. And from downtown? In Toronto's win over the Mavs on December 28 they were 2 of 10. In this simulated match the Dinos were 2 of 10 as well.
3. Rebounding. Toronto won the battle of the boards in this one 43 to 36 and last season the Raps over the two games these teams played, did a better job cleaning the glass as well. Ed Davis was particularly effective in terms of offensive rebounding and in this simulated session he had 3 rebounds of that variety.
Main reasons this outcome seems questionable:
1. Pretty hard to think Amir Johnson goes 0 for 6 on a night. He was one of Toronto's most efficient shooters last year and due to the type of shots he frequently took (put-backs, 8 footers etc,) him blanking on an evening just seems a bit of a stretch.
Oh. And I know Linas Kleiza had one big game against Dallas last year but 9 shots and 17 minutes of action? I'm begging you BP, just cut him and Reggie Evans from these simulations!
How do I feel about this outcome in the end?
Fine. I think this game was probably a bit closer than it should have been, but there's no question over a full season Toronto, despite its lack of talent, will have some surprise wins over top-tier teams, or close matches like this.
I think a 1 and 3 start seems about right and while I expect Toronto to steal one of the next three in this fake season, the simulation so far has Toronto in a pretty good position for a shot at the top pick in next year's draft.
Or fake draft.
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Bargnani scores 28 point and 10 rebounds against Dallas... perfectly reasonable...
Thats why I voted NO
Up in the skyscrape, me and my apes, bake cakes.
Adam: I missed your spot on the National... do you have a clip of it to share?
Up in the skyscrape, me and my apes, bake cakes.
I’ve asked for one because they didn’t put it online, so if I can get one, I’ll post!
PS – It ended up being a rather poor editing job as an aside.
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I’m imagining a bunch of random clips pulled from a full conversation to form a completely different sentiment, a la the Colbert Report or Conan…
Franchise: “I think Andrea Bargnani might be a contract to drop, of the players on our team. Every team can have financial issues, but the greatest portion of those are contracts like Bargnani’s. Is the performance worth the cost?”
On-TV Franchise: “I think Andrea Bargnani… is the… greatest… players… ever-”.
Not gonna lie, it was close to that ha ha…
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by Adam Francis on Nov 10, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Dirk vs. Andrea
Was this SIM done by Doug Smith? It’s all possible but….
Are we trying to suggest Andrea would out rebound Dirk by 6? I find it a stretch to say he would even get 6 rebounds against a strong team like Dallas, nevertheless outrebound Dirk by 6! 10 rebs. vs Chandler and the Matrix, possible but hardly likely.
New marketing pitch, Andrea is the next Dirk and if Casey can bring it out of him like he did with Dirk, maybe Andrea can do what Dirk…………..pfff, we already laughed at that one when Casey was first hired. Until Andrea starts to play like Dirk, he ain’t like Dirk. But hopefully he can, and if we keep our fingers crossed and thoughts of rainbows and unicorns in our heads, he might be able to fly. We would just settle if he could rebound effectively and pass the ball more.
As much as I don’t want to start a Bargnani thread, I have to question the assist comment. The rebounding issue, we all know. However, I keep hearing how passing is one of Andrea’s faults, and while I believe he needs to pass more, I don’t get this criticism.
He was 13th amongst Centres, and 22nd amongst Power Forwards. Considering how poor Toronto was at defense, and how offense was pretty much our only way to win, the potential “targets” on the Raptor side, didn’t exude a lot of firepower.
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Our shooting guard had the same 1.8 apg average, and that ranked him 35th (amongst his brethren). If anything shouldn’t he have a better assist number.
League-wise, Raptors were 10th in assists per game. That was due in part to Jose’s 8.9 apg – good enough to claim 5th spot for all Point Guards. For the most part – less so with Demar & Andrea – the Raptors needed a guy like Calderon to facilitate scoring.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Nov 9, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t have the time today to look it up, but I remember seeing somewhere that Andrea’s pass per possession and assists/passes as a factor of utilizatoin was horrible. It’s one thing to say "he was 13 amongst centres and 22nd amongst powerforwards (which by the way isn’t good), but when you factor in utilization its a completely different story.
Assists and Andrea
We’ve discussed this at length before but Andrea, while SEEMINGLY a good passer, is pretty bad. He routinely shows up on all the “worst” lists in terms of passing metrics.
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by Adam Francis on Nov 10, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
The other thing is that comparing him to DeMar doesn’t help…I believe both Andrea and DeMar made the “black hole list” last year.
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by Adam Francis on Nov 10, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Saying someone is the 13th amongst centers in passing is like saying your girlfriend finished 13th out thousands in an ugly contest. Most Centers are not known for their passing and that in itself should be a massive wakeup call. He is suppose to be a good offensive center so he should rank in the top 5 not 13th. I am not even going to comment on the PF spot.
As for Demar, he has been roundly criticized for his game and I for agree he needs to involve people more but he gets more of a pass because he has less experience then Bargnani does and we still have hope he can improve in the passing game.
Thank you MAS11
Only one player at the Forward or Forward/Centre position takes more shots than Andrea. Only one. And 1.8 assists is among the worst stats by position.
Roy Hibbert has more assists. Look it up. 1.8 assists per game for the number of touches he gets is not good at all. It is awful.
The ball stops when he gets it. Other teams know this and key on it. He is the player who fits the definition of a “Black Hole” type of player. He can score, he has potential perhaps, he is tall, but let’s not start listing him as one of the top assist big men in the game. He is not, it is one of his biggest flaws; TEAM OFFENCE. But he could learn, perhaps. I like that you defend him all the time RapthoseLeafs, but don’t tell me he’s a good passer. He’s not a tough defender either.
Bargnani ranks 247th in the league in assist percentage, a better measure of a player’s passing rate.
For reference…Chris Bosh ranks 244th. Demar DeRozan ranks 248th. Hibbert ranks 155th.
AST% doesn’t completely remove the effects of a higher USG%, but Bosh, Hibbert and DeRozan all had somewhat similar USG%‘s to Bargnani’s (about 23% to Bargani’s 28%).
So, yes Bargnani is a bad (read: league average – 247/452) passer, but he is similarly bad to our previous all-star big man and our current hope for future all-star wing.
by dhackett1565 on Nov 10, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
May not even be worth mentioning, but our previous all-star big man was also efficient offensively, played a little bit of defense and was a good rebounder. Bargnani does none of this. So when offense is supposed to be his most important impact, and he is not efficient and not a good facilitator for others, what does that tell you…
Just drawing parallels MAS – feel free to draw any conclusions you like.
Oh, and Bosh’s offense was clearly also his most important aspect. I certainly never meant to suggest that Bargnani was nearly as efficient as Bosh – just that he is as good a passer.
by dhackett1565 on Nov 10, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I've said it before and I'll say it again
Bargnani is a taller, 3pt shooting, less efficient version of Bosh.
Why this team would even think of ‘building around him’ after trying, and failing, with a better version previously….. well its beyond my comprehension.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 10, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Real Stats - Jonas Game Today vs Palyginimas
Minutes 33.5
Points 22
Rebounds 5
Blocks3
FG 8 – 9
FT 6 – 6
It appears that he is healthy again and getting into game shape.
go Jonas go
Amir, Jonas, and Ed. The future big 3 in Toronto.





























