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Sim Season - Raptors fall to Timberwolves in Minny, 107 to 97


In their continued look at Basketball Prospectus' simulated season, the HQ breaks down Toronto's Saturday night loss to Minny...

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Ultimatums, ass-hattery and fractured teams on both sides of the table marked yesterday's latest round of NBA labour-market talks.

The sides met on Saturday evening and the eventual outcome was an ultimatum issued by NBA owners, one that can't sit well with the players' union.

SB Nation's Tom ZIller described David Stern as "Godzilla" in his post on the matter and based on the reports from the latest round of CBA talks, it's not hard to see why.

In the meantime, here at the HQ, we're going to pretend as if the season continues on by examining Basketball Prospectus' latest simulation of Raptors action from Saturday night's slew of games.  At times these "SIM stats" don't get until later in the day so apologies for the lack of a recap yesterday.

The Saturday night match in any event would have been an interesting one to watch as it featured two of the youngest teams in the league, and two clubs that have been spending a good deal of time in the NBA basement that last while.  The Raps were fresh off a win over the Cavs Friday night, and a match this early in the year versus the Wolves would have given them a chance to potentially grab another W before the schedule got too tough.

Unfortunately, based on Basketball Prospectus' report, it was not to be.

From the BP write-up:

TIMBERWOLVES 107, RAPTORS 97: I lauded the young Timberwolves in yesterday's post and with Toronto visiting the Target Center, Minnesota had a golden opportunity to move over .500 on the young season. The game was tied at the half, with neither squad able to get more than a six-point lead. Four points was the biggest advantage in the third quarter, which ended onWayne Ellington three-pointer that left Minnesota up 77-76 entering the final period. That started a 14-4 Wolves run that finally gave them some breathing room. Toronto closed within four on Jose Calderon's free throws at the 2:34 mark, but Minnesota socred the last six points of the game and improved to 2-1. Ricky Rubio came off the bench for the first time as a pro, but scored nine points and had 11 assists in 25 minutes. Andrea Bargnani scored 29 points for Toronto but the Raptors sent just 3-of-18 from downtown.    

 

Yep, Andrea was killing it point-wise again but he was only 12 of 26 from the floor and had but one assist, hardly getting his teammates very involved.

Scoring-wise he got some help from a number of sources including Jerryd Bayless and Jose Calderon, but the team, as noted above, was horrific from long-range, and that's what did them in.

Minny on the other side had big games from Michael Beasley and Kevin Love, and got decent production pretty much up and down the roster.

As usual though, our take on the outcome:

Three reasons this outcome makes sense:

1.  The past two games on paper made sense to a large extent.  This one?  Hard to say.  I'd argue the T-Wolves minus trades and free agency do have the slight edge talent-wise on the Raps, but it's pretty damn close.  So it's hard to say this one looks like a complete lock.  However the Raps haven't exactly dominated Minny of late either, so I could easily see the team losing this one, and then winning their home contest later in the year to split the season series...

2.  ...especially if the Raps shoot only 17 per cent from downtown.  This was one of the major issues with the Dinos last year, and a box score like the one from this game doesn't seem to be a very big stretch.

3.  Individually too, numbers from guys like Barbosa (2 of 7) work.  Toronto has a number of players of this ilk that can win games when they're on, but kill the club with bricks when not.  This game seemed to offer more of the latter and with little in terms of low-post production, it's not hard to see why TO kept firing them up.  

 

Main reasons this outcome seems questionable:

1.  Linas Kleiza with 10 points in 15 minutes of action?  Really?  Can't they just cut Kleiza from the roster and run their simulations, at least until Jan or so when we think he might be healthy enough to contribute regularly?

The first two simulations I was a ok with.

How do I feel about this outcome in the end?

Not as good.

I'm not saying this should have been an easy win for Toronto, hell, as fans we saw the team lose WAY too many of those "sure things" last year.

But it's also hard to look at this match and not think Toronto had a pretty good shot on paper to win it.

I'm going to let this one pass, but unless the club goes into mega tank mode as the year goes on, I expect the Raps to win their home match against Minny, later this season.

1 and 2 it is.

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All aboard tank nation!

by dhackett1565 on Nov 7, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Simu-tank nation!!

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by Adam Francis on Nov 7, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

IF we sim tank well do we get a sim high draft pick? Can we do this going forward instead of the actual team as I think Basketball Prospectus will actually draft better than BC can we might end up with a championship team this way. Alas, it will be the only way the Raptors will ever win a championship with the current regime.

by McGateway on Nov 7, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL +1

You know what would be interesting. Run a sim NBA universe for the Toronto Raptors for the next 5 years. Then, review the decisions made by Baskeball Prospectus based on analytics and statistics and the decisions made by BC and Stefanski. THAT would be interesting. Smart money says at 70% to 80% of the decision points, Prospectus does the oposite of whatever these two atempt.

by MAS11 on Nov 7, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I love it

I think we should do this. I’m going to reach out to the folks at BP to see if we can keep this going for a while to get an idea of how “different” things might end up in terms of real versus “sim world.”

Also, think we’ll follow things all the way through (if indeed the season gets canned) and do a “sim draft.” Ray and I may even head down to the ACC for “sim workouts!”

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Nov 7, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

... and thus even the 'lockout' can not save us from our sufferring..

..nor can it save us from ‘career’ nights where bargnani scores more than two bakers dozens …. yet our team wallow in its yeastless bread… as even with Amir leading them through the Sinai desert …. in servitude of misery past… and a future of kneeling at the feet of Beasley … where Love is indeed not our friend… but the foe that does us asunder… And not a peep of the messiah? For he sleeps for now…. the Baby Ed Davis….

But what is that I see? … a star that lights the way ?

f*ck…

Up in the skyscrape, me and my apes, bake cakes.

by Jenge on Nov 7, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

Ok Jenge – that seals it. We need you to pen some poetic recaps of these matches going forward!

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Nov 7, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

"Ass-hattery"

LOL! Just a fantastic description of what is going on with this Lockout. BTW, great piece on the lockout on Grantland the other day: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7186103/why-players-cave

The piece is written by an economist/consultant with an aim to breakdown the economic issues for a layman’s consumption. A few choice quotes:

“With the owners estimating losses of $300 million and players arguing that the losses are significantly less (with accounting differences taken into consideration), it is reasonable to assume that the players, with their proposal of 52 percent, have arrived at a percentage roughly where owners can make a profit.”

“The owners have already been given enough concessions to address their concerns, and are largely independently wealthy anyway, so why are they continuing to draw a line in the sand? Because economics is a sideshow to them. Some owners are willing to cave. Micky Arison, the Heat owner, was fined $500,000 for intimating that he was willing to make a deal and that other owners were holding up the process. Mark Cuban used his brother to get the message out there that the owners would move to 51 percent. Yet other owners, most notably Dan Gilbert and Paul Allen, won’t budge.”

“The owners aren’t holding out for parity. They are holding out because of indifference and vindictiveness. Financially, they have so much money and so many alternate sources of revenue that it doesn’t matter if their teams play or not. And since most owners’ teams aren’t going to win anyway, the motivation just isn’t there to cave. For certain owners, like Dan Gilbert, this is taken to an extreme. The man who penned the Comic Sans diatribe against LeBron James would love nothing more than to slice a year off James’ championship window in Miami.”

BTW this article is written by an economist/consultant that has no vested interest in either side, is not a sports writer and is therefore not beholden to access to players etc. for their living. I say this as it has been suggested by some in this space before that the media is on the side of the players because they need to maintain good relationships with the subjects they cover to maintain access once games start again. However, time and time again, the writers calling bullshit on the owners are those who are third party objective observers (economists, forbes magazine, Gladwell, etc.).
I wanted to point this out as I’m now getting really pissed there’s no basketball (although Franchise we appreciate these articles to fill the void a bit). What is pissing me off to no end is that it appears the Owners now are not unified and can’t even keep their house in order to present clear terms of engagement and bargaining interests to the players. This is undoubtably slowing the process. Pure Ass-hattery going on!

by MAS11 on Nov 7, 2011 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

an ass-hat keeps the ass warm...

Up in the skyscrape, me and my apes, bake cakes.

by Jenge on Nov 7, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Time To Move On To The Real Stuff

lots of tweets this morning with links to photos of the Raptors coaching staff in the gym with with other Raptors personnel like trainers. Casey was talking defense according to one tweet.

raptors Toronto Raptors
Coach Casey describing the increased emphasis on proper defensive stance going fwd. #raptors yfrog.com/odv6lwgj
 
19 minutes ago

https://yfrog.com/odv6lwgj

by Buddahfan on Nov 8, 2011 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Bayless Arrives For Player-Rep Meeting

AschNBA Steve Aschburner
Players still coming in for player-rep meeting. Latest: Blake Griffin, A. Tolliver, J. Bayless, A. Afflalo.
5 minutes ago

by Buddahfan on Nov 8, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

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