Raptors in Last Place in Basketball Prospectus' "Sim Season"
Still no NBA season. But as the HQ points out, based on Basketball Prospectus' "Sim Season," that may be a good thing.
Happy Thanksgiving to our readers in the US and happy Friday here in Canada.
It's tempting to say, "happy black Friday," because of all the retail noise occupying cyber-space today, but I'm going to avoid that term considering the NBA labour negotiations going on today.
There's suddenly a chance again that we get an NBA season, albeit an abridged one, so let's not jinx it.
Instead, we'll grab an update on Basketball Prospectus' "Sim Season" to see how our beloved Toronto Raptors are doing.
When we last checked in, the team had but one win, a very early season victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers. Andrea Bargnani was consistently putting up double-digit scoring sessions, and with improved efficiency. But that was about it as his rebounding was still up and down, and only DeMar DeRozan was showing much else in terms of consistency.
Unfortunately judging by the recent Prospectus' box scores, not much has changed.
The Raptors sit at the bottom of not only the Eastern Conference standings but also the league with a measly 2 and 8 record having beaten the Milwaukee Bucks on Monday night to snap a six-game losing streak, but then falling to the Boston Celtics Wednesday night, 96 to 87.
CELTICS 96, RAPTORS 87: The Raptors were coming off a win over Milwaukee that snapped a six-game losing streak, but that wasn't enough to impress the Basketball Prospectus machinery. Toronto was an 18-point underdog to the Celtics. Vegas would never put out a line like that--even if it did, the money that came pouring in on the Raptors would quickly moderate the spread. Our line isn't about betting--it's about judging relative team strength. So it was a small win for the Raptors to hang relatively close in Boston. The Celtics enjoyed their biggest lead of 14 points late in the third and it certainly seemed as if the rout was on. But Toronto hung in and cut the lead to six midway through the fourth on Jose Calderon's three. That was as close as it got. It was kind of a ho-hum game stat-wise. Paul Pierce scored a game-high 21 points and need just eight shots to get there.
DeMar DeRozan led the Raps with a very nice 20 point, 6 rebound, 3 assist effort, and those 20 points came on 8 of 15 shooting.
Andrea had 19 points on 6 of 12 shooting and Leandro Barbosa had one of his "on" games, exploding for 23 off the pine (15 of which were thanks to long range shots), but it's hard to get excited about much else.
On the Boston side, the C's got a balanced attack from their usual suspects and hell, Carlos Arroyo even saw a minute of action.
Again, it's hard to get too deep into these recaps in terms of their basis in reality, considering guys like Reggie Evans and Linas Kleiza are getting major minutes, but directionally things feel about right to me. BP's standings have the Raps, Wizards, Bucks and Cavs all dwelling in the Eastern Conference cellar and that definitely passes the sniff test.
The Western Conference standings look a lot wackier with Phoenix and Minnesota in the top four, but with less than a full month of fake games in the books, a lot of this can be blamed on sample size. Remember, we've seen countless examples of teams that start hot thanks to a myriad of factors, and then fade late in the year, missing the playoff entirely.
The inverse is true too so is there hope for the Dinos?
I'd say not and considering the club's next three games are against the Heat, Magic and Celtics, our next check-in probably won't be any rosier.
Let's just hope then that the NBA talks resolve today with a real season that we can begin to plan for.
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Tank nation rolls on!
I posted this in the CC post, but I’ll post it again here.
MLSE is not getting sold – OTPP will keep majority share.
Yeah, tweeted about it this morning and will likely write something regarding it this weekend.
Until then, the tank keeps rolling!
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Nov 25, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think with Marcus Banks, Marco Bellinelli and David Andersen in the starting 5(having been SIM acquired by the Raps)... we would now have 3 wins...
Up in the skyscrape, me and my apes, bake cakes.
Ah the Brain Colangelo all-star team
by MAS11 on Nov 25, 2011 9:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lockout thought...
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7274143/nba-talks-resume-christmas-negotiators-minds-report-says
Reports by Chris Boussard today on ESPN suggest that the league and players are closer today – after almost a week of dedicated negotiations – than they ever have been to reaching a deal. So, if a deal does happen to get done in the coming days, don’t we have to conclude that the player’s association strategy to go forward with the disclaimer and law suits was a fruitful one? Remember, the leagues position was that if their last offer wasn’t accepted, they would revert to the 47% hard line offer. So if there is a deal (still a big if of course) did the “nuclear option” employed by the players association actual serve its purpose by giving the players at least a modicum of leverage and forcing the league to concede on some positions? Interesting, considering all the wild talk that the moves by the Players Association lately were wholly illconceived…
We’ll have to see if there is a deal to be had first…
But even then, I’m not sure you can say it was a great decision. Clearly it wouldn’t be a bad decision – they wouldn’t have lost anything by doing it. But I don’t know that they really have any more leverage than before. I have my doubts that Stern would have followed through with that ultimatum – he’d said several similar things over the past few months that never came true. I think if the players came back to the table with suggested changes instead of decertifying we’d have been here a week earlier. Mind you, the main leverage the players DO have is that most of the owners, in spite of the rhetoric, do actually want to play basketball and want to do so by X-mas – so it could be that it would have dragged out to this weekend anyway.
Of course, the one big thing here is the introduction of new lawyers (Boies, Quinn) to get Kessler onto the sidelines and away from the bargaining table. That sure seems to have helped.
by dhackett1565 on Nov 25, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Fair points and did mention above that it is still a “big if” if there is a deal at this point (and you’re right to point out that it does also depend on what the deal is).
“Mind you, the main leverage the players DO have is that most of the owners, in spite of the rhetoric, do actually want to play basketball and want to do so by X-mas –”
To my points above, by employing the disclaimer/law suit approach, the players were essentially saying “we’re willing to lose the season rather than take this deal”. I think they had to be counting on the fact that the owners were not unanimously there yet. So it could be argued that the “nuclear option” expedited things. Add to that – as you’ve said above – they had nothing to lose by doing it, it actually makes total sense why they exercised this option. Just pointing out that all the reactionary citicism by the press (and comenters/bloggers) was maybe more an emotional reaction than a sober evaluation of the pragmatic nature of the decision to move forward with the nuclear option.
Assume you are the player’s association cheif at that precise point in time with the exact same set of circumstances, don’t you take the exact same decision? I suppose you could have gone back and simply said, “we don’t accept this deal, here are some changes we want”. But then the risk is th league says no and it only DELAYS deploying the nuclear option. No, I think it makes much more sense to use a pre-emptive nuclear strike (couldn’t resist) and speed up the process. That way at least the legal process is under way, ratcheting up the pressure.
The NBA died screaming... While I've been sleeping - Tom Waits...
Up in the skyscrape, me and my apes, bake cakes.
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RAPTORS 2011-2012 LETS GOOOOO
With Camps :Tentatively Scheduled to Open In Two Weeks on Dec 9th
Amir is back in game action.
IamAmirJohnson Oh yea this weekend you can see me get my 1st run in at my bro drew gooden’s charity game in the bay http://t.co/3CzcS5lN
About 9 days ago by Amir Johnson Toronto Raptors – Forward
IamAmirJohnson Feels Good 2B On The Floor With My @DeMar_DeRozan Again http://t.co/KoWnUUav
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I might celebrate today by going to Roscoe’s House of Chicken and Waffles
thought you weren't
following Amir until the NBA was back in action?
Amir = Buddah crack
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Nov 26, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
A Deal Has Been Tentatively Agreed To
Camps scheduled to open on the 14th.
Grow up
All Of You Amir Doubters
are going to lick the souls of his sneakers this season and you will wind up loving every lick.
Its not that we doubt him we are just concerned that you might have a problem you will need to address. The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have one and dude, your man love for Amir is definitely tripping the boundaries a little.
sneakers have a soul?
i always thought bootlicking to be an unsoulfull act … but then again one mans crime against humanity is anothers key lime pie….
Up in the skyscrape, me and my apes, bake cakes.
MLSE no longer for sale: Teachers’ Pension Plan
Eight months after placing its majority stake in Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment out on the open market, the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan has closed the sale process, with sports experts and academics suggesting a simple reason why nobody closed the deal: the asking price was just too high.
While the sale price was never made public, the value of the pension plan’s 79.53% stake has been estimated to be between $1.4-billion and $1.8-billion. MLSE owns the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Toronto Raptors and the Air Canada Centre, with Forbes magazine last year estimating the Leafs alone were worth more than US$500-million.
A spokesperson said the pension plan, which manages $107.5-billion in assets, intends to maintain its majority ownership "indefinitely," but would not discuss why the sale process was ended.
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