RaptorsHQ Lunchbox Links for October 6, 2011
by Adam Francis on Oct 6, 2011 12:01 PM EDT
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PrintA small dose of links today and we'll start as usual with the topic NBA story of the moment, the lock-out.
Talks broke down on Tuesday of course, and we're now days away from the cancellation of first two weeks of season.
Tom Ziller of our own SB Nation argues that David Stern is now so close to NBA lockout success that he can taste it, while delving into the "NBA Lockout Power Rankings."
How to get past this current labour impasse? Sports Illustrated Zach Lowe argues that a 50/50 split may be best deal out there, while over at Grantland, Jay Kang and Bill Simmons go in another direction, creating The Oracle Basketball League to save the NBA from itself.
What do we do if there's no season?
That's a damn good question but what about playing a fake one out with readers on NBA2K12? We're floating that idea around the HQ offices right now, and from the looks of the new game released on Tuesday, which showcases Patrick Ewing's Three-Point Shooting, perhaps this idea would be a lot less painful than watching the Raps through 82 games anyways!
In terms of Raptors' news, it sounds like Andrea Bargnani is considering signing with Italian basketball club Virtus Roma.
And some of the Raps have turned up on ESPN.com's list of the top players in the league. They're currently counting from number 50 on down, but we'll take a look back on Friday at where some of the Dinos netted out.
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This sounds totally reasonable
Its a massive 6% concession by the players and if the owners can’t make that work, not sure the league is tenable. I’m being a bit facetious, but seriously, if they can’t make things work with such a huge roll back in expenses, not sure what the answer is.
just in terms of News
The Bargnani news is a non news Roma was the first team interested and after there have been a few. The problem is he wants an insurance covering the whole contract with the Raptors and that is turning out to be too expensive
Fundamentally on the news front
In an interview Andrea said he could be traded at any moment when the season starts…
by renato on Oct 7, 2011 2:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I never wrote "foundamentally"
that is my tablet who think it can guess what I want to say. I wrote something like “again” or " “still on”. Whatever
Serious!?!?
Where did you hear this from? Can you give us the context? Best news I’ve heard all week and even more reason to get this lockout resolved!!
do not remember
if it was a video interview or whether I read it but trust me I am not making this up
but before you open the champagne bottle
he said “could” not “will”
Don't worry, champagne is still on ice.
I have a nice bottle on reserve for the day it finally happens though…
champagne?... i would think it would be a bottle of 'yucky spumanti'..
'....as a child, I dreamt of being a baseball.'
Well Champagne is a trademark
Spumante denotes italian wines made with the same Chamenoise method, they could be better or worse, but they could not call themselves champagne.
I won’t enter the Bergnani debate/rage/whatever, still in a “holiday mood” :)
LIES and more damn LIES...
We’re floating that idea around the HQ offices right now,
…RHQ does NOT have offices, unless you count that parking lot between shuter/queen over by mutual street…
lol
'....as a child, I dreamt of being a baseball.'
I always thought
Franchise and D-stance had personal table at the back of Zanzibar?
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Oct 7, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
HA!
Ok so yeah, the office is pretty much my condo living room, and we DO have back-up offices at various shady dancing establishments…
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by Adam Francis on Oct 7, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Weems in Lithuania
Sounds like he had a reasonable game vs. Sakalai today:
29 mins, 19 pts on 63% shooting, 5 TO(d’Oh!), 3 steals, 1 assist
Cut down on the TOs and he should be a good contributor for his club over there this season.
Turnovers
This early they can be attributed to different defensive rules. Hopefully he should get used to it.
by renato on Oct 7, 2011 2:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And they’re playing him at PF right? I remember seeing that somewhere…
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by Adam Francis on Oct 7, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
well, carefull, I can use your jockes against you
Toronto makes BArgnani plaing C…..Ah, the NBA …… :)
LOL, Touche sir, well played...
Although, I would suggest the appropriate comment would be: Ah, Brian Colangelo’s Toronto Raptors….
No Friday Post
Apologies for the lack of a post today, had something pretty much set regarding the Raps 3-point shooting woes, but had the day from hell at Pearson yesterday thanks to security there on “work to rule,” and therefore a missed flight. I’m now stuck in transit so she may have to wait a day or two.
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Chris Sheridan Completely Convinced There Will A Deal Done On Monday
or in the wee hours of Tuesday morning.
He also talks amnesty clause which he says will be in the new CBA.
Audio interview on link about 11 minutes
I hope to god he's right, but...
Sheridan seems to have gone rogue. Didn’t he have a melt down at ESPN? Also, the picture of himself on his site and twitter make him look like a crazy person! LOL Just not sure about his credibility at this point… But dang, I hope he’s right!
Don't Agree With You At All About Sheridan
I always found him to be one of the very very few credible writers at ESPN when he worked there.
ISTM from your comment that you posted about him that you did not listen to the interview and to his reasoning which IMO is solid.
Too many NBA writers are pro Union and love to spread the FUD to try and get readership up. Sheridan is one of the very few through the entire lockout who hasn’t marched along with pro-Union FUD mentality group.
See my post below… I was kinda half joking.. He makes solid points in his article. Regarding “too many NBA writers are pro Union” it’s probably because they realise it is the owners driving this lockout bus. But if you want to debate this, please go to my fanpost. There are a few articles that basically lay this lockout at the feet of an incompetant or plain greedy ownership group. Would love to hear the other side of the argument… if there is one.
too many NBA writers are pro union? ha ha
How about I complain that too many advertisements are ‘pro owners’…
'....as a child, I dreamt of being a baseball.'
OK going to backtrack a bit
I just read his Oct 7th Lockout Updte and it sounds completely reasonable. If his numbers and sources are acurate, he makes the great point that the two sides are only $80 mil and 2.4% apart “in a business that took in $4.2 billion in revnues last year.” He’s right that this is a bridgeable gap. Keeping fingers crossed!
Listen To The Audio Interview of Sheridan on the Lockout.
You and I will never agree on unions.
My step-father was a union guy and fairly representative of most union members in America. No need to say any more on this. My opinion about unions was formed over 30 years ago and nothing I have read or heard from what I consider credible sources on the subject will change my opinion.
if you don't like unions...
then don’t get married…
don’t join the boy scouts…
don’t play bingo…
don’t vote for a political party…
my two cents….
'....as a child, I dreamt of being a baseball.'
OK fine Buddah, you have made it pretty clear. Your position on this issue is simple partisan, ideological closemindedness formed long ago and tied to deep rooted family issues. Therefore, you don’t want to discuss the issue as knew information and facts may take you out of your comfort zone. I understand. I find it vexing and a bit sad, but I understand.
Anyway, no one is debating the fundamental value or place for unions in our society, I thought we were discussing the specifics NBA lockout. The fact that you’ve pretty much said you blame the players simply because they are part of a union and unions are inherantly evil based on your pre-concieved ideological notions about unions (and your mind can’t be changed about this no matter what the facts say), I guess there’s nothing left to say on the matter…
Never Said I Blame The Players as a Group
Quit making things up.
The problem with Unions is that they are run primarily for the benefit of Union bosses and their ‘capos’ in the case of the NBA that means Hunter, Fisher and the superstars. All other players and the fans get the shaft as far these big shots are concerned.
The way that unions are run has been constant from their inception; i.e. run by bosses who have their own best interests at heart and no one else. This will never change. IMO anyone who thinks otherwise is just not in touch with the nature of things.
That is not to say that the NBPA has not done good things for their members. Of course they have, especially for the player’s pension fund for players who retired from before the Jordan era.
I am not against the concept of people organizing for better pay, working conditions etc. What I am against are the self-serving, like I believe Hunter is, and corrupt, which I believe Hunter is not, union leaders.
“Never said I blame the players as a group”
You and I have had discussions in the past where you have allocated the blame for the workstopage to the players. If I missunderstood you I appologize, but that’s what I’ve taken away from your posts.
OK let’s leave the concept of unions in general aside, as it’s much to wide a concept to debate, especially here on a Raptors fan blog. What I don’t get is your characterization of Hunter. You’ve made wild accusations that Hunter is working towards his own vested interests that are mutually exclusive from the players interests, to some sinister end. I don’t get this. Isn’t what’s in the player’s interest in his own interest as well? Isn’t his job predicated on labour piece and a fair deal for his constituancey (i.e. the players being paid and happy)? He is charged with representing the players interest exclusively, so you’ll have to explain to me how he benefits from a lockout or expand on the following:
“The problem with Unions is that they are run primarily for the benefit of Union bosses and their ‘capos’ in the case of the NBA that means Hunter, Fisher and the superstars.”
Bernucca column: Amnesty Irrational
You know who it hurts? The poor.
It hurts the poor teams, many of whom use the luxury tax threshold as a hard and fast ceiling and don’t have any need for amnesty. The Memphis Grizzlies are trying to figure out how to keep Marc Gasol, not how to get rid of him.
It hurts the poor players already on teams, whose roster spots and playing time are jeopardized by a sudden glut of available good-but-not-great players. Low Williams’ burn would definitely be impacted if Gilbert Arenas wound up in Philadelphia.
It hurts the poor players on the free agent market, who don’t appear nearly as needed now that a veteran with better skills is available at the same price, or even cheaper. Reggie Evans is a nice inexpensive piece for your bench, but not when you can have Elton Brand for the same price.
complete article on link
http://sheridanhoops.com/2011/09/29/nba-lockout-amnesty/
Based upon the PVR the three Raptors who would have the highest probability of getting cut by the Raptors are Babosa, Kleiza and Bargnani.
My guess it that if there is an Amnesty clause in the new CBA and the Raptors use it they would cut Barbosa or Kleiza.
Chris Bernucca Lists His Choices For Players Most Likely To be Cut by Amnesty Clause
RAPTORS: They are well under the salary cap, so there is no sense of urgency. Leandro Barbosa ($7.6M) and Linas Kleiza (2 years, $9.2M), who both have international wanderlust, are possibilities.
They should have a 'public guillotine' option in addition to 'amnesty'...
'....as a child, I dreamt of being a baseball.'
Bill Walton: NBA season will be saved
They don’t come any more pro-Union that the Red Head who still dreams of his college protest days. LOL
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Bill Walton: NBA season will be saved
October 6th, 2011, 4:58 pm · Post a Comment · posted by RANDY YOUNGMAN, OCREGISTER.COM
Does NBA Hall-of-Famer Bill Walton know something we don’t?
After Walton made a speaking appearance Thursday in Costa Mesa, I asked him if he had any thoughts on the continuing NBA lockout that threatens the start of the 2011-12 regular season.
He said he didn’t want to comment on it then, hinting anything he said would soon become outdated.
"They’re close," he said, grinning widely, as if he knew something he couldn’t share about the negotiations between owners and NBA Players Association.
Does that mean he is confident there will be a full season?
"Oh, yeah," Walton said, grinning again. "They’re close."
http://lakers.ocregister.com/2011/10/06/bill-walton-nba-season-will-be-saved/60173/
Seems Like Blazers R Going After Same Guys For GM as Raptors Except For Pritchard
Joe Freeman: Miller would not name any of the candidates he has interviewed and refused to name the people he intends to interview in the future. But a league source told me former New Orleans GM Jeff Bower and Philadelphia GM Ed Stefanski will be among the #Blazers’ new GM targets. Twitter
We already know that the the Blazers have also expressed an interest in Lindsey.
Did Bargnani Really Tweet This?
AndreaBargnani Andrea Bargnani
…e’ ufficiale mi hanno falsificato la carta d’identita per chiedere un finanziamento….
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Google translation:
and ’I have falsified official identity card to apply for funding .
From Bargnani’s website
Andrea Bargnani | #7 | Centro
15esimo nei punti per gara (media di 21,4 punti per partita)
http://www.bargnani.com/V2/index.php
So I guess he says what suits him.
In America he says he is a PF because he can’t handle the punishment that opposing Centers dish out. In Europe he says he is a Center because of the weaker Centers.
Not sure you speak italian
That tweet means someone asked a loan with a forged document on his name
by renato on Oct 7, 2011 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, him. He already defrauded the Raptors out of 9-10 million a year. Next up, he is stealing cookies from Girl Guides and candy from Babies.
Why Did This Person Ask Bargnani If He Didn't Think Bargnani Would Provide Him With One?
Tweeting in Italian does not protect you from illegal activity.
Just the fact that he was asked to participate in a criminal activity makes him suspect for all kinds of illegal stuff.
I think you are misunderstanding renato – I believe he is trying to say that someone tried to apply for a loan (from a bank, or something) using a fake identity showing that they were Andrea Bargnani. Bargnani was not involved in the process at all, and just found out about it and is sharing the information.
If That Is The Case
Then I stand corrected
Goes to show what happens when you rely on Google. LOL
The Raptors’ list has been whittled to Stefanski and former New Orleans Hornets GM Jeff Bower, sources said.
Bower + CP3 That Is The Ticket To the Finals For The Raptors
BC make it so. LOL
Yeah cause CP3 loves the idea of trading in David West and Okafor for Bargnani and Johnson. I think he would rather pluck his own eyes out.
You Have No Idea of What CP3 Wants
and neither do I.
All I know is that if there is a GM who has a 85 degree day in T-Dot for xmas chance of putting CP3 in a Raptors uniform it is Bower.
Not sure I get this logic...
Hasn’t CP3 been secretly seeking a trade out of NO (and away from Bower) for like the last 3 years??
Did CP3 Ever Say He Wanted To Get Away From Bower?
Did he say to those words?
I want to get away from Bower, it is him or me.
Do you have a link?
I am sure if that is the case you could find a link very easily.
Here is the link on the Chris Paul Jeff Bower Google. Nothing on page 1 or 2 about Paul wanting to get away from Bower
LAS VEGAS – Earlier this month, New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul said he doesn’t want have to wait years to experience winning.
"If Chris wasn’t saying he wants to win, I’d be surprised,’’ Hornets Coach Monty Williams said. "I understand his passion and I can read between the lines.
http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2010/07/new_orleans_hornets_gm_jeff_bo_3.html
Couldn’t find what you are saying.
Are you making things up again?
You’re being obtuse again Buddah, I obviously didn’t mean that CP3 said specifically that he wanted to get away from Bower. I think you are trying to take that literal interpretation simply to be argumentative. What is fact though, is that CP3 has been rumoured to have requested a trade out of NO MANY times. Here’s a link to a simple google search: http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=CP3+trade+demand&pbx=1&oq=CP3+trade+demand&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=392l4220l0l4385l16l15l0l1l1l0l250l2606l0.9.5l15l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=38bee2d956a08d0d&biw=1152&bih=635
You can see how many “CP3 trade demand” related articles there are. So, back to my original point: If CP3 has been trying to get away from the situation in NO (THE SITUATION THAT BOWER IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR) what makes you think Bower would have any influence whatsoever to bring CP3 to Toronto. Where’s your link for that!?!? Are you making things up again?
STEFANSKI
I hope to hell BC isn’t leaning in this direction…you’ll see why on Wednesday morning.
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by Adam Francis on Oct 11, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Amir Puts Up 44 Points 5 Rebounds and 5 Steals - LOL
IamAmirJohnson Buckets for whoever wanna try me in 2k http://t.co/sck77dUK
Never happen in the NBA – Five steals in a game for Amir in the NBA? No way. LOL
Looks Like I May Have Been Wrong About Bower and Paul
Sources close to New Orleans Hornets situation with former general manager Jeff Bower said Bower’s relationship with star point guard Chris Paul was becoming increasingly tenuous and played a role in the decision for the two sides to part ways.
League sources said the Hornets’ brass wasn’t in agreement with Bower’s stance, and the team hastily sent out a release the next day clarifying with a statement from owner George Shinn that they plan to continue building their team around Paul.
http://70.40.195.239/news/2010/07/14/poor.relationship.chris.paul.doomed.jeff.bower
Who goofed I got to know?
Buddahfan you got a hole in your screen door
Yea Yea he does
The flag is up
I don’t think that is funny
And, I rest my case.
Who’s making things up again????
U Rest Ur Case
I am the the one that found that support for your comment
Quit making things up. LOL
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