Kevin Pritchard and the Toronto Raptors Part I
In the first of a series of looks at prospective front office candidates for the Toronto Raptors, the HQ talks to Ben Golliver about Kevin Pritchard, and his potential fit with the Raps.
When you hear the name Kevin Pritchard you think...
Portland Trailblazers' turnaround?
Maybe you think of all of those things as well as some others regarding the former Blazers' GM, but what do we really know about the man at the front of the Kevin Durant versus Greg Oden debate, and apparently one of the four executives Toronto is considering for their front office.
Not a whole lot, and therefore last week I gave Ben Golliver of Blazers Edge and CBS Sports.com, a shout. Ben's been covering the Blazers since the dawn of the world-wide web, and offered some great insight into not only Pritchard as an executive, but in terms of his potential fit with Bryan Colangelo and the Dinos...
RaptorsHQ: So off the top, the reason this all came about of course is because Kevin Pritchard is apparently one of the four finalists for a "high-ranking position with the Raptors." Many think it will be the GM position, with Bryan Colangelo ceding the throne and retaining the President title, so my first question then is, do you think that Kevin Pritchard makes sense as GM of the Toronto Raptors?
Ben Golliver: Well, I know for sure that Kevin's very highly motivated to become a GM again. Obviously he lost the one GM position that he's had in his career with the (Portland Trail) Blazers and he actually rose up the ranks in the Blazers' organization pretty quickly, basically through the scouting department. He was the interim coach for a little bit, then got the GM position and he seemed very, very comfortable and confident in that position. It kind of seemed like, you know when you come across someone in your daily life and realize that that person is doing the exact job they were made for? That would certainly be Pritchard. His presentation when he was GM, he just seemed to really eat it up. His personality certainly is to be a GM so I can see him being highly motivated to return to a GM role. If you look at the reported details of his contract with Indiana that he just signed, there's an opt-out if he wanted to go, and he got a GM position. And, he could still interview for other jobs. So I think that kind of speaks to his motivation to get back to where he was before.
In terms of the Raptors, I tend to think that the Raptors have one of the weakest rosters in the league at this point, I think their record over the last couple of years bears that out. Some of their signings I think people would question in terms of their overall dollar amounts, guys like Amir Johnson, Linas Kleiza, so what Kevin would bring to a position like that is what he brought to the Blazers when he was GM; a fresh face, a new start, a really honest voice that could connect with fans, a guy that's going to take the scouting process and talent evaluation process very seriously, a guy who's going to look for every possible competitive advantage. That could be bringing guys over from Europe, something Bryan Colangelo has already been doing, or tapping certain guys in the draft that may not be the headliners. Looking for draft steals.
And he's also going to look for guys who have really high character, people who are able to bond with fans. You look at guys like DeMar DeRozan and Sonny Weems, I think they had a really good relationship with Raptors fans. He's going to be looking for high character guys like that, players who can relate to the fans who can build up an aura around the team that can hopefully get the momentum going back in a positive direction.
His big catchphrase is always going to be "culture." He wants to establish a winning culture. He was an NCAA champion at the University of Kansas in the late 80's, that team with Danny Manning, he was a point guard on it, and I think he takes a lot of experience from that time in his life. That Kansas program of course has the ability to go after the top players every year and every year have a team that's looking to win a title and I think he was trying to do that In Portland - create that winning atmosphere and I think he'll try to do the same in Toronto.
RaptorsHQ: Wow, really great look at Pritchard there, especially in terms of touching on some of his strengths. You noted the scouting and talent evaluation aspect of his skill set and obviously drafts that have yielded players like Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge back this up, not to mention played a key role in the transformation of that team from "Jailblazers" to their current rendition. What would you say Pritchard's key strengths are for a role like the one he's rumoured to be considered for?
BG: One of his main strengths is just his thirst for knowledge. Like I said, he's always trying to get a competitive advantage. He's really into the analytics side, he's really into establishing processes that are repeatable so that if you do lose this scout, or you lose this employee or whatever, the process itself is able to carry on, and it's getting to the end goal that you need, whether that's data collection or data analysis or whatever.
Number two, communication. He's a very skilled communicator, he's very good at pushing the right buttons with fans, he's a very good listener in terms of trying to find out what people want from his organization. I mean here in Portland, fans wanted good guys, high character players, they wanted some young talent that had potential, and they wanted to have a chance to compete for a title. Obviously every team wants that but here in Portland they hadn't really had that, with the exception of the disaster in the 2000 playoffs against the Lakers. There hadn't really been that potential for an NBA title since the Clyde Drexler and Terry Porter years.
So what Pritchard was constantly selling was creating a core of players who were going to have a championship window that was going to extend for multiple seasons. He was trying to follow the San Antonio Spurs' blueprint as well in terms of being a small market team that could compete by getting the right stars and building around them.
So number one I'd say thirst for knowledge and number two communication ability, and I do also think he's a very thorough talent evaluator.
Clearly the biggest decision he faced was Durant or Oden, during his entire time in Portland, and you can kind of see how that's panned out. So I think that's always going to be a knock against him, whether that was his pick, whether that was coming down from ownership, I think there's going to be a lot of questions, probably forever, about who ultimately made that call. But I do think his overall track record is quite good, and not just regarding individual players but also targeting players and making the necessary trades to get them. He's been very aggressive on draft day, and I think that's a very big part of the talent evaluation process too, determining how much you think a player is worth and how much you're willing to sacrifice to bring that guy on board, I think that's something he's very aggressive and assertive in, and a major strength.
RHQ: That's a pretty glowing review. Would you say that there any weaknesses that stand out because despite all these strengths, I think one of the questions in a lot of people's minds will be "what happened in Portland?" Pritchard HAD been so successful, not just in terms of changing the culture of that organization, but also obviously in terms of acquiring a lot of the players you alluded to. What's your take on what happened?
BG: I think when you look back on that, and you look at what happened to his successor in Rich Cho, and you start to realize that the constant piece here is not Kevin or Rich, the constant piece that is influencing all of this is the owner, Paul Allen. You read his autobiography that he just released this past spring and you can kind of tell he's just a really bitter guy who has a certain vision of who is he as a person and what kind of business he wants to run. And whether you want to call it delusional or not quite full or whatever, he's just this guy that really gets off on considering himself a demanding executive that's going for the best and he doesn't always quite think through all the implications of his decisions; he doesn't realize that he's working against himself when he's churning through all these executives.
And it's not just limited to the Blazers. He's done the same thing up in Seattle, bringing in new coaches, bringing in new GM's, that's just who the guy is.
So in terms of whether there was any great sin Kevin committed while he was here in Portland, it's hard for me to say that, especially in hindsight. Certainly if you're talking about Greg Oden not suffering the major knee injuries that he did, and being a healthy Greg Oden over these last two or three seasons I'd be willing to wager that Kevin Pritchard would still have his job. I just think that winning makes everything look better and had the Blazers advanced in the playoffs, he'd still be around. From that perspective I think it has more to do with who the team's owner is then any individual decisions that Kevin made or didn't make.
Now that being said, just like everybody else, he's not a perfect executive. I think what we learned from that experience was that he was a bit naive in terms of what he was going against. He obviously worked really hard for Paul Allen but he wasn't able to keep his boss happy basically and at some point you do have to do that when you're working for a billionaire like half the GM's in this league are. Ultimately they're the boss and you've got to be able to state your case and stick around. And I think Kevin DID want to stick around in Portland and ultimately it just became untenable. So he may have been a bit naïve, and he's certainly not the most experienced GM candidate in the world. If he's going up against some of these other assistant GM guys that have been associated with the (Raptors') position then I don't think that really counts against him but if you're comparing him to say a Donnie Walsh, or one of these NBA lifers who's been a GM or executive longer than Kevin's been alive, then that's going to potentially be a strike against him.
The other thing that's really a weakness for him is his salary cap knowledge, his understanding of the intricacies of the collective bargaining agreement. That was not his strong suit, nor his main point of interest.
They had Tom Penn on as the Assistant GM, and then the Vice-President of Basketball Operations (he was promoted right before he was fired) and the financial piece, that was pretty much considered Tom's territory. And Kevin would pretty much defer questions of this sort to Tom, if you talked to him, even one-on-one about say "can you tell me about the structure of this contract," or "why would you do this instead of this in terms of this free agent." You don't often hear that from GM's. A lot of GM's will either just refuse to answer the question or will answer it in sort of a way where they dumb it down. But Kevin would openly say "that's a question for Tom," and to me that reinforced the idea that these guys were best as a package where Kevin was allowed to do the communicating and making the higher level scouting decisions, and Tom was allowed to add his expertise with the CBA and the financial aspects o f it. They were a really potent team.
So the question for the Raptors I think is, "what are Bryan Colangelo's strengths?", or "what does he perceive are his strengths?" If there's too much overlap with Kevin then it might not be the most complementary hiring.
Now I don't know what Bryan Colangelo's self-perception is, but it's just something to keep in mind when you look at that potential fit.
(cont tomorrow.)
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Great. So we will have two people who do not know how the CBA works or the Salary Cap. Lets all pray that if Pritchard gets the job that the League goes with a soft cap.
Dude, we’ve got Fruitman for that! Fruitman!
Actually, Colangelo seems to have a good understanding of how to manipulate the cap. He just overpays for everything. And is able to since he is so good at manipulating the cap ;)
by dhackett1565 on Oct 3, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It was interesting because while we were doing the Q and A, I thought “hey, we’ve got Steve Fruitman,” doesn’t matter if Pritchard doesn’t know the CBA that well!
So perhaps a new complementary team could be born…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Oct 3, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Golliver:
Is no lover of advanced basketball stats
Seems that Amir’s former team is moving into the 21st century like Casey and the Raptors have already done.
Well, this is a nice surprise. On the heels of Detroit hiring advanced stats guru Charles Klask away from the Magic, Platinum Equity partner Robert Wentworth represented the Pistons at the New England Symposium on Statistics and Sports. Sports Illustrated’s Zach Lowe, who was a moderator for the panel on NBA analytics, spoke with Wentworth about Detroit’s newfound interest in advanced stats.
You can read the whole thing on the link below.
Confused
Why is he “no lover of advanced stats?” In fact a huge chunk of Part II tomorrow talks about this…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Oct 3, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of their signings I think people would question in terms of their overall dollar amounts, guys like Amir Johnson,
As advanced stats prove the Amir signing last season, his first under the new contract contradicts what Golliver said above. How anyone can be a supporter of advanced basketball stats and say that the Amir contract is questionable is just mind blowing.
Maybe in part #2 he will prove my statement wrong but his comment above clearly says the opposite. Now one could say that he doesn’t agree with what “some people would say” but if that was the case then he shouldn’t have even said what he did about the Amir signing. What was the point in him saying that especially since he didn’t follow up with something like
Some of their signings I think people would question in terms of their overall dollar amounts, guys like Amir Johnson, however advanced stats and his age being only 23 when the deal was signed clearly show that they don’t know what they are talking about.
nice reading
It is interesting to get a different take on Kevin Pritchard, actually quite different from what the general perception has been. One has to wonder how many times people’s life are driven by what other’s people perception of them rather than on real facts. Yet again, perception is reality.
Have to agree Renato, found it really interesting myself. Part II tomorrow digs into this even more.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Oct 3, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Some great insight here and Ben Golliver confirmed my position that Kevin Pritchard leaving Portland was more about Paul Allen than Kevin Pritchard. I’m encouraged that Pritchard’s strengths seem to be talent evaluation and analytics, which would balance out well with Colangelo, who obviously is terrible at or simply doesn’t do either of these things at all.
As Far As Kleiza Goes
He just bashes the contract without even mentioning the fact that Kleiza was injured from the pre-season onward and to eventually get operated on.
Now we have no way of knowing whether Kleiza will ever return to form or not due to the serious injury that he incurred.
However how the heck was BC supposed to know that Kleiza would suffer a serious injury? Kleiza had so history of serious injures,
not like Oden who was injured continuously from high school
Anyone with even an iota of basketball knowledge knew that when Pritchard drafted Oden he had a history of serious bad injuries dating back to his high school days
Talk about bad contracts. SMH
"Now we have no way of knowing whether Kleiza will ever return to form or not..."
Return to form? You tell me when it was when Kleiza had the form of a player to be paid $5 mil a year? Was it when he couldn’t even get an NBA contract so had to go play in Europe for a year? Was it when he was a limited bench player for the Nuggets? Other GMs weren’t exactly lining up to pay Kleiza $5 mil a year before his injury…
Kleiza Was A Solid Bench Rotation Player With The Nuggets
His annual salary in his contract is almost 20% below the league average salary.
How may Denver games did you watch when Kleiza played for them? I watched a bundle considering that they played against the Lakers and Clippers.
He was a solid reserve when he played for Denver and certainly worth the contract that he got from BC.
Its Not Like He Is Old Or Anything
He is about Bargnani’s age.
I watched enough of Kleiza with the Nuggets to know he wasn’t worth a $20 contract. Look, here’s a guy the Raps were looking at the season before, I distinctly remember the media discussing that the Raps were considering using their by-anual exception on him (approx $1.8 to $2 mil at the time) this was before the Hedo signing. So the guy doesn’t get a contract, can’t stick in the NBA and ends up in Europe for a season. Then, he’s offered $5 mil a year for 4 years from Collangelo?? I’d like Colangelo to logically justify this sequence of events:
Kleiza is worth $1.8 to $2 mil,
Doesn’t even get a contract and is out of the freaking league
Then a year later, his value doubles?!?!
All for a player that is too short to be a PF and not quick enough to be SF. These are the kinds of decisions that relegate your team to having a $66 million dollar payroll and 22 wins.
Sorry Don't Agree
IMO by NBA standards he was worth $5 million a year.
He was among their top 7 players until he fell into disfavor his last season in Denver. Remember Denver was a playoff team
How good do you think a player have to be to make $5 million a year?
Does he have to be a starter for a playoff team to make $5 million a year?
He was a top 7 player for a Denver a playoff team which translated into being a starter for the Raptors.
He averaged 10.5 PPG and 4.3 rpg in 23 mpg his last two seasons at Denver
The league average last season for PPG and RPG last season was 9.6 PPG.and 4.5.
So in has last two season with Denver he average 10.5 PPG vs a league average of 9.6 and 4.3 RPG vs a league average of 4.5.
Kleiza’s W/S 48 his last two seasons with Denver about .105 which is just above the league average of .100
He got a contract for $5 million year which below the MLE of $5.75 million.
His contract was definitely a fair one for the Raptors based upon Kleiza’s performance his two prior seasons with Denver.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kleizli01.html
If he was worth that, then the question remains, why couldn’t he get a contract on any other team in the NBA after his stint in Denver? Why was he forced out of the league and had to go play in Europe? I’d say that 3 years for a total of 9 mil was more commensurate with Kleiza’s a’s value and skill set. Of course, I guess that’s all moot now as he’s practically worthless now.
Well, I don’t know if any other team offered him anything. But you can’t know they didn’t. He may have decided he would rather spend a year at home overseas then come back for the free agency bonanza that was last summer. Sure, he could have signed a one year deal here, but I could understand if an international player wanted to grab an opportunity to play for a team he watched growing up for a year. As I recall, he was in talks with the Raps, and when that broke down, he pretty quickly moved overseas, so he could have had a wink-wink agreement with Colangelo that he’d have a spot on the team a year later.
Of course, it is possible he just couldn’t find a roster spot, but I would rank him close to a mid level player (not quite, but close), so I doubt that is true.
First off he didn’t go “home”. He’s Lithuainian and I believe he played in Greece. Second, all accounts of the contract offers he was getting from teams that sumer were in the $1.8 to $2 mil range and then suddenly he’s given a contract of $5 mil from Colangelo. So if it was a “wink wink” deal from Colangelo, isn’t that worse!? That would be Colangelo saying, I know this is double your market value, but I’ll pay it anyway??
Finally, how does coming back in the “free agency bonanza” help him? The was actually more saturated with BETTER talent that summer and there were multiple teams apparently “losing money” and there was impending collective bargaining. How does this HELP Kleiza get a better contract? What happened here, similar in what happened with the Bargnani contract is Colangelo established a price for a player based on flawed logic and not market value and paid above true value.
There was too much cap space to go around that summer – everyone got overpaid, especially once the big three went to a single team. See contracts given to people like Drew Gooden, etc.
Oh, and he made 6 million in that one year overseas, so perhaps his motives were something besides going home? I expect he’d perhaps prefer to play overseas, near his home country, but the money was certainly better than he would get here (and still about 30% more than he eventually got from Colangelo).
As for Colangelo paying over market value – like I said, the market was very different between those two summers – the supply and demand ratios for players versus cap space were almost complete opposites between the two years. A lot of players were getting twice what they would have a couple years before.
by dhackett1565 on Oct 4, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Say What?
You are trying to base what a NBA player is worth based upon what they receive in Europe?
You can’t be serious can you?
Bargnani is only being offered $800K
An Italian team is offering Kobe $5 million for one year
Italian club still pursuing Kobe; offer is 1 yr, $5 mil
So if Kleiza got $2 million to play in Greece which is in a lot worse financial mess than Italy, though both are in the sheets, then Kobe is worth 2.5x times what Kleiza is worth.
Kobe is scheduled to make $25 million this season playing for the Lakers
http://www.hoopsworld.com/los-angeles-lakers-team-salary/
That means that Kleiza is worth $10 million a season.
Of course that is ridiculous, but so is IMO your trying to say what Kleiza is worth in the NBA based upon what he made in Greece.
Kleiza is worth what he is getting paid which is 10% – 15% below the MLE.
Dude, you need to read more carefully:
“Look, here’s a guy the Raps were looking at the season before, I distinctly remember the media discussing that the Raps were considering using their by-anual exception on him (approx $1.8 to $2 mil at the time) this was before the Hedo signing.”
At no point whatsoeever was I referencing the amount he made overseas as a referance point for his NBA salary. I mentioned the fact he played overseas to underscore the point that he couldn’t get an NBA contract that summer.
I believe he played in Greece. Second, all accounts of the contract offers he was getting from teams that sumer were in the $1.8 to $2 mil range
Nuggets executive Mark Warkentien said Kleiza has chosen to play for Olympiakos, agreeing to a two-year deal worth $12.2 million.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4389053
So here we have a story that Kleiza agreed to a two year deal in Greece for $6.1 million a year with a link not just I kind of remember.
You have no links to support your argument
You have no facts with a second source to support your argument
You can do a lot better than that SMH































