Ed Stefanski and the Toronto Raptors Part II

by Adam Francis on Oct 14, 2011 8:45 AM EDT in Feature Stories

Continuing our talk with Michael Levin of Liberty Ballers as he gets deeper into why Ed Stefanski would be the wrong choice as GM for the Toronto Raptors...

When we last left off here at the HQ, Michael Levin of Liberty Ballers was giving us his take on Ed Stefanski, the man rumoured to be the front-runner for the Toronto Raptors General Manager position, one that would open up should current GM Bryan Colangelo, look for some assistance at the top and retain only his President title.

As you probably read in part I published yesterday, there weren't a lot of positive things to say about Ed regarding his time as GM with the Philadelphia 76ers, and more importantly, it sounded like his hiring to a greater degree, would simply end up being a duplication of Bryan Colangelo.

Nope, not exactly the sort of thing Raps fans probably wanted to read.

In Part II below, we delve into this idea of "duplication" a bit more...

(Continued from yesterday...)

ML: So when I talk about Ed Stefanski, and I apologize if I’m rambling, what Ed has never really understood is that in order to get better, sometimes you have to get worse, and grow, and evaluate your talent, and say "we’re not the team we thought we were, let me cut my losses," etc. Instead it always seemed with Ed that he was an inch away from getting fired, and he was content to just win enough to skate by.

And I’m sorry if that was a rather long-winded answer to your original question.

RHQ: No, actually I’m really glad you went into all that depth because ironically what you just described, I would argue is very similar to Bryan Colangelo up until about a year ago, when things got so bad, that the Raptors had no other option really, than to tear it all down. We soon saw that while Chris Bosh was no LeBron James, he was pretty much the only thing keeping the team in that 40 win range, and without it him, well, it was time to face the music because…well…it’s already playing.

So having heard your description of Ed, would you agree that Stefanski is in fact the exact type of executive a rebuilding team like Toronto needs to stay as far away from as possible?

ML: Yes. You don’t want Ed Stefanski. He’s a nice guy, I’ve talked to him on the phone, he likes to talk about basketball which is cool, and he’s not just this guy who locks himself away from everyone. He’s a basketball guy, which is nice in some respects, but at a certain point it’s like "I don’t care if you’re the meanest person in the world, bring me a winner."

If you guys want to build a team that’s gonna hang around a playoff spot, always be in the running but never a true contender, then Ed’s your man. He just always seemed a bit overwhelmed by the whole GM process. And I think the Raptors have a really nice group of guys who can grow together, and with another piece or two, have the chance to be one of those up and coming, exciting clubs. And I don’t think Ed Stefanski’s the guy you want to keep building that core.

As well, when deals were getting made, he always seemed to be the guy that was getting outwitted by the smarter GM’s. "Oh look at how smart Sam Presti is, look at what Kevin Pritchard is doing," and then you have Stefanski sort of scratching his head as if to say, "what just happened?" Again, he was always saying "we’re looking to make moves that make basketball sense." He just became a parody of himself as things went on.

And now I don’t know what his title is, but basically Rod Thorn is the GM, and Ed Stefanski is just a guy who hangs out. I imagine he organizes poker games in the front office, and Rod’s like "look Ed, you really gotta cool it on this stuff."

RHQ: And he’s responding by saying "wait, me and Kapono have another hand to play."

ML: (Laughing.) Exactly.

RHQ: This seems like a moot point maybe, but are there ANY strengths you would list Ed as having as a GM, after that glowing review?

ML: He’s a good guy. He’s not like some other front office types who can be jerks so that’s nice. And he’ll be good with the press, the media will like him for a while because he’ll talk about the focus on winning. But what people like about him, those traits, is exactly what I don’t like about him. You need a guy who’s going to go in there and say "listen, here’s the plan. We’re going to lose for a while, we’re going to suck. But we’ll get new, young talent and grow a contending team."

It should have been like that with Evan Turner. It should have been "we’re going to play him 35 minutes a game to get him NBA experience." But instead we had Willie Green starting on the team, for too many years, not all Ed’s fault, but things like that.

So yes, good things: the press will like him, he’s a basketball guy, he used to play and was one of the best shooters in Philadelphia basketball history back at UPenn, but often it’s the people who know the game better that become blinded by their former glory days.

RHQ: It’s really interesting to hear your take here Mike because a lot of the problems I’ve had with Bryan Colangelo over his tenure sort of match up with what you’re talking about regarding Stefanski, and therefore perhaps it’s no surprise that Ed’s rumoured to be the front-runner for the Raps’ position.

One last question then as I think we’ve pretty much covered off everything else – how about Ed Stefanski and stats? Is there any advanced analytics that he subscribes to?

ML: No, from everything I’ve gathered on him in his four or so years in Philly, he basically ignores those. I don’t think he puts any stock in advanced stats at all, he’d rather watch a game and base decisions on his basketball experience. I mean, we have a player by the name of Louis Williams who I notoriously hate, and Ed has gone on record a number of times to say that he (Lou) is the one guy that we go to to make plays, and he’s our offensive sparkplug, and things like that. But if you look at the advanced stats you’ll see that his usage rate is through the roof, and for a guy off the bench that gets as many touches as he does, his efficiency marks are unacceptable. So basically he ignores them. Maybe he’s a closet stats freak but certainly on the surface he hasn’t show anything past using the old boys stats of box scores.

RHQ: Ok, great stuff Mike, think that just about does it.

ML: I’m sorry, I wish I could shower him (Ed Stefanski) with glowing reviews but…

RHQ: No, no, this was great, and in fact the exact kind of stuff our readers will want to know.

ML: I mean he hired Eddie Jordan. He hired him because they were friends from when they were back in Jersey together. It just made you say "why?" Especially based on the personnel we had on the team at the time.

Then he went to Doug Collins and hey, Doug Collins did a great job last year, but that was another safe pick. Here was another guy that people "knew," and considering Doug’s past rep with younger players, it seemed a bit like "fingers crossed, hope this works." Now it did, but again, it just echoed Ed’s unwillingness to take risks, something I feel you need to be able to do as a GM.

And I don’t want to see Ed Davis’ career go into the toilet. I didn’t like him coming out of school, and I want him to keep proving me wrong.

RHQ: Well I hope that’s the case as Ed looks to be a solid piece of this club’s future. Unlike Andrea Bargnani, who I couldn’t help but draw comparisons to when you were talking about Louis Williams.

ML: It’s terrifying how bad Andrea Bargnani is, compared to how good he should be. I go to bed sad every night because he should be one of the best players in the league, and he’s just not.

That’s very upsetting to me.

But he does kill the 76ers so there is that.

RHQ: Well…

ML: …but then again you probably think that Mo Speights is one of the best players in the league based on how he plays against Toronto.

RHQ: That’s exactly what I was about to say. He destroyed the Raps last year!

Thanks for your take on Ed though Mike, again, much appreciated.

ML: No problem, looking forward to reading the results.

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Holy Smokers

Maybe I need to re-read this interview because I didn’t understand it.

Why

I agree with everything in it?

Holy Smokers

One think I will say about Lou Williams vs Bargnani is that I think Williams is the more exciting of the two.

Bargnani kid of remind me of what it is like eating a week old loaf of Italian bread. It will be hard to chew on, inefficiently processed by your body and not do much positive for your health but will fill you up.

by Buddahfan on Oct 14, 2011 9:15 AM EDT reply actions

Yikes

Hiring Stefanski will get me back to “BC’s gotta go” mode. I guess the recent stuff (drafting JV, hiring Casey) was just weird luck

by scrat on Oct 14, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions

“He just always seemed a bit overwhelmed by the whole GM process. "

“…he always seemed to be the guy that was getting outwitted by the smarter GM’s.”

If he does get hired, at least we know BC’s ineptitude in talent evaluations extends in to off the court transactions as well!

“And now I don’t know what his title is, but basically Rod Thorn is the GM, and Ed Stefanski is just a guy who hangs out. "

PRECISELY! Brought up this exact point yesterday. Stefanski has a track record of being the GM in an organization where he is not really the GM under Rod Thorn. Perfect hire for Colangelo. An underling who will be a an Empty Suit and Yes Man and has a proven track record of doing so. Oh, and to cap it all off nicely, it sounds as though he completely ignores statistical measurement all together.Brilliant.
Not sure why we ever thought anyone else would be hired by Colangelo…

by MAS11 on Oct 14, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions

Has He Been Hired?

Not sure why we ever thought anyone else would be hired by Colangelo…

I hope not.

by Buddahfan on Oct 14, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions

All reports are that he is the front runner.

You are correct that he has not yet been hired. If he’s not hired, great news for Raptors fans.

by MAS11 on Oct 14, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions

Although this entire article was depressing beyond all reason…

I think the two quotes you take there are the least of our worries. With BC probably at least partially involved in the decision making, I have to think Stefanski might gladly move into an ‘assisting’ GM role, with the GM title, and let BC take care of details in trades – one of the few areas BC has excelled at. Most of BC’s moves have been outwitting the other guys, not the other way around.

Of course, the whole duplication of terrible talent evaluation and tendency towards winning now is terrifying. I surely hope Bower ends up being the guy, assuming Lindsey is out.

by dhackett1565 on Oct 14, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions

Have to agree. The longer our chat went on, the more depressed I got.

Come on Bryan, why not pick someone to COMPLEMENT you? I know we’re saying that Stefanski won’t be a “yes” man per se, but this seems pretty similar in some ways.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Oct 14, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

this could be.... the Hedo of all GM signings ..... gah!

'....as a child, I dreamt of being a baseball.'

by Jenge on Oct 14, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh man, don’t tell me we’re going to need to add a “Stefanski Contract Countdown” widget to the site like we did with Hedo!

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Oct 14, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions

or the Raptors HQ - members suic*de watch

i’m booking weekly group therapy as we speak…

'....as a child, I dreamt of being a baseball.'

by Jenge on Oct 14, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions

I do see one way they compliment each other...

As the eternal optimist, I would say that BC is good at trades. He is bold and will make trades that think outside the box. The way he signed Hedo from a cap perspective was brilliant. Maybe Stefanski can be the ‘Safe Eddie’ for BC to bounce his trade ideas off. Grasping at straws I know, but currently BC is responsible for the entire business of the Raps as well as GM. Maybe a little experienced help to replace Ujiri would be helpful.

Walker McKenna

by Robert Archibald on Oct 15, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Possible consolation...

after the brouhaha re BC’s contract negotiations I would not be surprised if a hire like a new GM (possibly mandated by MLSE) would not have to go through some scrutiny by the board before an ok was given.

by Bendit on Oct 14, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions

You would think this would be a good thing. However, this is MLSE we are talking about here. The same group that re-signed Colangelo, despite a drawn out deliberation process and much consternation internally at MLSE and externally from fans and writers/bloggers/analysts.

by MAS11 on Oct 14, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah I’m hoping that MLSE isn’t swayed by Stefanski’s “basketball history” though. He’s got a ton of experience and nothing overly negative so I’m worried he’ll get a thumbs up as opposed to a more new option like Bower.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Oct 14, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions