3 In The Key: Toronto Raptors Game Day Preview vs. Milwaukee Bucks
It's fan night at the ACC and it couldn't come at a better time as management needs to draw the attention away from a team crippled by injury and in the midst of a 9 game losing streak.
Tonight's opponent? Another team that has been decimated by injury this season - the Milwaukee Bucks.
Joy and Pain.
Is there a better way to sum up how fans feel about this year's Raptors squad?
Sure there has been a lot of pain thus far as the team has managed to put together just 13 wins and at times it has been downright ugly. On the flip side fans have enjoyed watching DeMar DeRozan emerge as a true scoring threat and there is light at the end of the tunnel as young guys are getting lots of burn and a high lottery pick seems to be in the teams future.
The reference to joy and pain is also fitting as at tonight's game the half time show will be none other than Rob Base.
I can't help but wonder if all those who walk through the gates tonight will have to climb into a time machine to go back a decade or so to a time when this would actually be a draw for people. Desperate times call for desperate measures right?
Things have gotten desperate. Actually, things have gotten quite dire.
Take an objective look at the 76ers game and who played. Not even 24 hours had gone by since their arrival to the team and both Alexis Ajinca and Trey Johnson were inserted into the game knowing virtually none of the offensive or defensive plays/systems. Not to over simplify things but no kidding the Raptors lost.
The injury bug has hit the team hard and given the players logging heavy minutes it's not all that surprising that the Raptors are struggling mightily and have only managed 2 wins all month.
Of course in the NBA you will get no pity from your opponents. In particular when your opponent has also suffered through a myriad of injuries. The Bucks, after finishing last season strong, have struggled this season as players who are not rotation guys have been asked to play significant minutes at times. Andrew Bogut has been in and out of the line-up, Brandon Jennings is out with a broken foot, Carlos Delfino has missed a number of games and the list goes on.
To get a better sense of tonight's opponent for the Raps we reached out to Frank at Brewhoop.com for the latest.
RHQ: After such a late season surge last season it feels like the Bucks have fallen off the radar. Can their lack of success this season be attributed solely to the injury bug?
Brewhoop: I wouldn't say it's the sole reason, but it's certainly a big part of it. Last year's team was generally pretty healthy, had very good chemistry, and really hit their stride down the stretch (22-8 over their last 30 games), so winning 46 games and almost knocking out the Hawks sans Bogut was both a really pleasant surprise and the trigger for increased expectations. You'd certainly expect that good health had a fair bit to do with the Bucks becoming more cohesive as the year progressed, and they also got career-years from Bogut, Salmons, and Luke Ridnour. Those expectations and the desire to take another step forward were the main reasons for spending big dollars on vets like Salmons and Drew Gooden, but obviously that hasn't panned out the way the Bucks envisioned.
The injuries have made it difficult to get consistent rotations, while Bogut has been less than 100% all year even though he's only missed seven games. The issues with his elbow and hand have been fairly well-documented, but he's also missed time with back issues and has been slowed for the past month with a blood infection for which he's now taking antibiotics. While he's still been a huge presence defensively, his confidence has often looked shot on the offensive end, which is a big blow for a team that has struggled mightily to score points and doesn't have any other post scorers. Meanwhile, Salmons missed all of camp with a knee injury, and with the exception of a few games here and there has yet to look like the Bucks' go-to-guy from last spring. Some of that might be old age, but the injury is probably part of it as well.
Given the injuries and the Bucks' tough schedule to open the year, you could make a good case that their record is about where it should be, but I think the team's almost mind-boggling struggles on offense have obscured some of the legitimate excuses as well. While Jennings has improved marginally upon his rookie year, almost everyone else has gotten noticeably worse at putting the ball in the hoop, even younger guys like Ersan Ilyasova and Luc Mbah a Moute. There really isn't anyone on the team that can be counted on to give you 15 points on a respectable percentage most nights, though Maggette has looked like he could be that guy of late.
RHQ:If and when the players get healthy is the goal a play-off spot or are Bucks fans thinking about the future and a possible lottery pick?
Brewhoop: The season started with such high expectations that I don't think fans really want to think about the lottery at this point, especially with Jennings expected back on Saturday, Delfino returning to the lineup last week, and the team still just two games out of the 7th spot. Of course, I'm not sure if squeaking into the playoffs and getting rocked by the Celtics or Heat really helps that much in the long term, but the Bucks always seem to find themselves in the awkward position of being too good to get a superstar in the draft but not good enough to do real damage in the playoffs.
That said, they're solidly positioned to snag the 7th or 8th seed because they're in the East, their schedule is relatively light the rest of the way, and they look like they're finally getting somewhat healthy. It's probably not fair to expect a similarly scorching finish like last season, but their defense and effort have been consistent all year, so you could certainly see them turning things around a bit if guys get healthy and they gain some confidence offensively.
RHQ:What are the keys to a Bucks victory against the Raptors?
Brewhoop: The Bucks' defense has been their saving grace all season, so it's typically their ability to make jumpers which determines whether they win or lose. Against the Hawks they started making shots, their defense turned the screws, and they were able to post a rare fourth quarter comeback win over the best road team in the league.
In years past it's always been important for the Bucks to establish Bogut against Bargnani and whoever else the Raptors had down low, but at the moment it seems like Bogut has struggled to score regardless of who he's facing. Still, I'd expect they'll go to Bogut early to try to get him going, with the hope that it opens up opportunities for guys like Delfino to get open looks from the outside. Beyond that, the Bucks usually need one of their slashers (usually Maggette of late, sometimes CD-R) to put some pressure on the defense off the dribble. Defensively the Bucks do well clogging the lane and Bogut continues to lead the league in blocks, so they typically try to force teams to beat them with the jump shot or by getting out in transition.
Great answers! They also make me realize just how different the Bucks and Raptors are.
Here are tonight's three keys:
1. Bargnani vs. Bogut: The battle of two former No. 1's (neither of whom is a franchise guy), both playing the 5 and with completely different games. This will be very interesting to watch. Will Bargnani be willing to bang with Bogut? Will Bogut e willing to step outside to defend Bargnani? To me this match-up is going to be the one to depict the outcome. Bogut, although not the most skilled big man, doesn't back down from anyone so Bargnani is going to have to show some toughness tonight both physically and mentally. If Il Mago doesn't bring some fire....actually for now let's just hope he does.
2. Zone or not to Zone: It will be a hard decision for Coach Triano on how to defend the Bucks. Milwaukee has below average shooters and you want to force them to beat you from the outside (usually in favour of a zone) but as we have seen over the past few nights, the zone is only as good as it's weakest member. It will be downright embarassing if Drew Gooden or Ilyasova have monster nights. The Raptors have to show some interior toughness. Hopefully the Raps can get the same effort out of Amir Johnson as they did against the Grizzlies because the effort against the 76ers left a whole lot to be desired.
3. Play off the Crowd: Given it is fan night and a Friday you would think that there will be more fans at this game than at the past two. The Raptors need a quick start to get the fans into the game and ride the momentum to a much needed W. We are entering a dangerous time where as the losses mount the more and more likely the fan base either (i) doesn't show up at games, and/or (ii) turns on the home team. Here is hoping neither of those things happen. A win at home would help with preventing that.
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Zone and Perry Jones
I have watched Baylor play several times this season and Jones has the potential to be a great scorer in the NBA, make no mistake about it.
He could fit right in with the Raptors starting from the gitgo
1. The Raptors really need a second athletic player that can score
2. Baylor plays zone defense so Jones would be good to go starting at the #3 from the first pre-season game.
3. He can’t defend one on one so he would fit in just fine with the current batch of Raptors wings.
4. Drafting Jones would allow the Raptors to move Bargnani for a big Center who can rebound and defend. Drafting Jones would also allow Johnson to become the man of all trades coming off the bench playing any of the three front court positions depending on the matchups
Next seasons starting lineup
1. Davis
2. X at Center
3. Jones
4. DeRozan
5. Bayless? at PG
Loving it
DraftExpress currently has him as the #2 pick.
The Raptors could have a shot at him if they get a good bounce in the ping-pong ball machine.
P.S. Melo played his college ball at Syracuse. Boeheim plays a zone defense. Melo couldn’t defend worth sheet in his first few seasons with the Nuggets but now when he is motivated to defend he is actually pretty good. So guys can become good defenders if they work hard and have the skills. Keeping my fingers crossed on DeRozan in this area.
I am with you and keeping my fingers crossed that the Raps can somehow get Perry Jones. Whom I think is clearly going to be the best NBA player in this draft. Dispite what others are saying etc… about a couple of the undersized pg’s like Irving. Not saying I wouldn’t take em (him) because he looks great, but just that if Perry Jones is on the board at our pick he should be grabbed asap. I will completely lose faith in the team if Kanter is taken…
by Arthur_Pewty on Jan 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm excited to see Douglas-Roberts game tonight...
He’s a SF I think we could pick up and be very useful in combination with a Terrence Jones or Harrison Barnes…
KDFREATPED
Still love CDR and would welcome him in a Raps uniform with open arms.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jan 28, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
We should have drafted him to begin with, we had a major need for a guy like him and then he fell into the second round.
I say this even though his terrible FT shooting cost me victory in my NCAA pool that year.
I think maybe we would have… he was drafted one spot ahead of the Raps.
by dhackett1565 on Jan 28, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Same… love his game, especially his NCAA days. Now if only he could put it together every night in the NBA.
by Arthur_Pewty on Jan 28, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Budda - you made some interesting points the Other day
I don’t think it is far fetched to suggest that as 4th option of offense that he [Amir] could average 14 -15 ppg as a SF.
Watching Amir, it has been a pleasant surprise to me how much his long range shooting has improved. Not that I’d want him to camp out at the perimeter, but having a 3pt shot would alter defensive strategies against him.
Next seasons starting lineup
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1. Davis
2. X at Center
3. Jones
4. DeRozan
5. Bayless? at PG
Couple of thoughts about this line-up:
- It lacks 3 point shooters – a problem Raps need to address next season. We can’t continue with such dismal perimeter shooting. It dramatically affects opponents defensive schemes.
- Jones is another PF – we have enough already. And I doubt he’ll be around when the Raps draft – we ain’t going that low, despite this 9 game losing streak. As bad as we are, there are some pretty horrible teams out there. Once our injury situation improves, I’d imagine our win total will settle into a 30-35 % rate, which should take us out of the bottom 5 or 6.
- Defensive minded Center – tough to find, and apparently tough to finalize a trade for. That being said, I always wonder if we could snag a moderately rated (but good defensively) Center, and feature a Big combination of Bargnani, Davis, Amir, and that X Center. I still would start Andrea, but I’d put Davis with him (especially if he bulks up). The X Center could be used for specific match-ups, or if AB needs to sit his ass.
- Bayless – while I like his spunk, until he demonstrates a pass first shoot second mentality, he’s going to struggle with getting more minutes. In the past 2 games, he played as a PG when he started, and NOT a PG when he came off the Bench. Why that was – minutes? – I really can’t say. He’s only 22, so “re-educating” him is possible.
- Amir – As above, I wonder if we could float him between the SF & PF spots. It’s not like we can’t experiment – even next season – as this rebuilding process needs time.
- Scorers – this line-up lacks offense. Demar would be double-teamed too often – then what?
- SF – I think Raptors need to snag a good defensive minded Small Forward, in the mold of a Shawn Marion.
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Kendrick Perkins
Love this – lets talk Raptors rebuild strategy!
If I were running the Raps, I would make a Godfather offer to Kendrick Perkins this offseason. He’s an unrestricted free agent and the C’s are CAPPED out.
Now, there were some worries about his injury and how would he return… Well in his second game back, in 21 minutes – 10 points (3 for 4 fg) 9 rbs and a block. He has the EXACT disposition (angry ALL the time) and commitment to playing the game the right way this team needs. He has veteran savy well beyond his years and has been to the finals twice. He’d be a great spiritual leader for the team and role model for young bigs like Amir and Davis. He’s a dying breed in the NBA, a throwback, the closest thing to Charles Oakley this league has seen in the last decade. K. Perk can play on my team any day.
I'd take Perk over all those guys
Oden = broken
Dalembert = strangely over rated in these parts
Yao = broken
Thomas = Older than old
I like the idea of Perk
but can you not see him getting so pissed at some of these players he snaps them in half? There is a certain style play in Boston that doesn’t exist here…. and while KG may make teammates cry, Perk hurts people instead.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 28, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Fine by me.
Maybe some players on this team NEED to get snapped in half : )
Oh I agree
but its like setting up the guy to
1) get suspended
2) get fined
3) end up in jail
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 28, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Oden
Yes – Can’t understand the fascination with him. Why would we want to take a chance on broken parts. That’s always an ongoing problem with Centers – so why step into something like this.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jan 28, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t take a big gamble, but if he gets healthy (he’s 22 or 23 so it’s possible), he can be a dominant Center in this league, and while his offensive game is limited to post-ups, his size makes him a threat down there on most nights.
If Portland doesn’t qualify him, his options this summer are going to be limited to teams with cap space; which may be only a few with the new CBA. Add to that the fact that the league might do away with the mid-level exception and you will probably be able to get him for pretty cheap.
Hey if you can get him for cheap...
and the new CBA has some flexibility in terms of teams being able to opt out of contracts, then why not. I would still rather Perkins. Aparently Oden’s physical challenges are so fundamental (i.e. one leg being significantly longer than the other, and ummm, that’s actually true) that its unlikely that he will ever be able to sustain his health considering the rigours of NBA life.
if Portland does not make the qualify offer
does he become unrestricted? He could get a Kwame Brown (or slightly better) kind of contract. with a 5M top kind of offer (maybe a S&T) deal facilitated by Portland that could receive back an Amir Johnson type of player (type as in contract size)
Yes, he becomes unrestricted without the qualifying offer. We may not even need to involve Portland in a sign & trade deal, depending on cap space, which would be my preference.
With that single addition, I really like our big man rotation. Plus, you could afford to try Amir at the 3 like Buddahfan has suggested.
Oden
I can. He has the potential to be a dominant C. He looked like it on draft day. He started to come on and then he got injured again.
Potential dominant Cs don’t grow on trees and it’s hard to draft them. There will be a few teams who are willing to gamble that he will get healthy and play the way he was projected to play.
Like the perk
although I would like to see how healthy he is
I like this pipe-dream a lot! Would love to see this happen somehow. But he will not come here unfortunately. I see a legit contender throwing big $$$ his way.
Side note… if you watch/listen to Perkins in interviews, he totally exudes a strong-quiet professionalism, will be a rue clubhouse leader some day. And as the post above says bt NSFS he would absolutely get pissed at a lot of the Raps players for being soft (and I’m being nice).
by Arthur_Pewty on Jan 28, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I like Perkins game and he’d be a great fit here to change the defensive culture of this team. I wonder how much he’s looking for and I’m surprised that Boston hasn’t extended him yet.
I’d still take a gamble on Oden, yes he’s “broken”, but he’s young with alot of upside. He’s had microfracture surgery on both knees now, and while sometime guys can’t come back from that (C Webb, Penny, even TMac), most of them keep playing and haven’t had any additional knee issues (Amare, Kenyon Martin, J. Kidd). I’d only gamble on Oden if the cost isn’t prohibitive. Portlan has a $9 million qualifying offer that they’d have to make if they want to keep him. I can’t see them doing that considering their cap situation and the fact that they have alot investing in Brandon Roy, who looks to be going down the same road. So, if he’s unrestricted, I’d try for a 3 year – $15 million dollar deal and see if he bites. Not THAT big of a cap hit if it doesn’t work out and the upside is tremendous.
If those two don’t work, I wonder what it would take to get Andrew Bogut out of Milwaukee?
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1. I agree with your three point shooting comment.
2. At this point Jones is not a three point shooter but at only 220 you don’t want him to play the #2. You need someone at at least 245 and preferably 250+ to play the #2 Gasol is listed at 250. Odom by contrast is listed at 230 (no doubt both actually weigh more than their listed weight) and Odom is too light to be an effective #2 as a starter against the bigger #2s in the league over a full season.
3. I agree defensive centers are tough to find. Maybe Oden is worth going after. The Blazers will not give him a QO which will be about $9 million. If Oden check out medically he would be great if and it is a big if, he could say healthy
4. I had a question mark after Bayless. I am still not convinced like you appear not to be that he can be :re-educated to become a #1. However depending on the offense you run you might not need a true #1. For example the Lakers don’t have a true #1..
5. Agree that coming off of the bench Johnson would probably never put up over 10 ppg but in 25 minutes a game coming off the bench he could probably average 10 and 7 especially against second units. He has also shown that he can start in a pinch.
6. Jones can score and will be a big time scorer in the NBA. He is averaging 13.9 ppg and it should be higher by the end of the season. DeRozan averaged only 13.9 ppg at USC.
7. Shawn Marion is way too old. The Raptors have too many young players and will add more in the upcoming draft. If they can keep the core together it will take 2 to 3 more seasons before the core will be able to compete at high levels. By that time Marion will way too old.
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Just to clarify, the "2" as you call it, is actually the Shooting Guard spot...
I don’t know many 245 lbs SG’s…
KDFREATPED
#2 vs #4 Was A Typo
Thanks for pointing it out.
Davis at the #4
Davis while not 250 has shown that he can rebound and defend around the basket. I would prefer someone heavier than him but I don’t see Davis and Jones as redundant. Jones is a scorer while Davis is primarily a rebounder and potentially solid defender in and around the basket. I think he would compliment someone like an Oden very well.
I think Davis has a really bright future...
Remember, Marcus Camby was frail and breakable when we had him too…
If Davis avoids injury he should fast track into the type of player Camby eventually became once he got healthy…
That being said, that is exactly the type of player I think he will be, a tall defensive presence with punishing / energizing rim play…
He would compliment a 7’ talented scorer very well… hmmm… who fits that description…
Seriously though, depending on what we can build around the two of them (SG’s and SF’s that can score reliably AND keep their man in front of them), I wouldn’t hesitate to run a Davis / Bargnani starting line up…
Situationally, if you are playing against high scoring bigs (Dwight Howard, Gasol, Harrangody) you may want to start a better defensive 4 and 5 combo and let the SG and SF handle the scoring…
KDFREATPED
I believe the best hope
is for Davis to grow 5-7 cm, that would solve oh so many problems….
Bargnani at the #5
I would rather see someone heavier then him and a better rebounder than him at the #5. Boston has Perkins, Lakers have Bynum, Magic have Howard, Spurs have an undersized by strong and heavy Blair. Kings are playing Cousins at the #5. They are all a lot stronger than Bargnani.
As much as Bargnani fans will totally disagree i see Bagnani as a bench guy. Someone who would score a ton against second unit players and whose defense and lack of rebounding acumen wouldn’t be a such a liability coming off of the bench.
I just don’t think Bargnani will ever be able to defend the bigger and stronger #5s. He has been in the league a number of sesaons and at 25 is probably not going to get much stronger. In the last game against the Magic the Raptors started Dorsey to defend Howard because of Dorsey’s added strength. Unfortunately he is not talented enough to stop someone like Howard. Perkins does the best job of defending Howard. In fact in the past Perkins has been pretty good at it in the playoffs.
it is not a matter of being a BArgnani fan
I remember last season Andrea was the only one who could play Howard One on One. Actually Howard is maybe a bad example because all one has to do is to keep him 3 meters from the bucket and your job is half done. As a counter example Novizki sucks big time on D, that is why they made him play, all the time with a big rebounding C.
One thing is, possibly Andrea’s D has gotten worse this year and one wonder why that could be. He is a player that can score 25-30 points on every given night and it is a shame, and painful to see him “coasting” (career wise) when he could be elite being just adequate on D
tradebargnani.com
Gentlemen,
It is I, the one who proposed the inception of tradebargnani.com. I’m in the midst of coordinating with my technical people to spec out this site.
I’m wondering, from a legal standpoint, can I get nabbed for creating a website to capture votes on whether fans want a player traded? Thought maybe SB Nation might know a thing or 2 about this.
Any feedback is appreciated before I get my team rollin’.
Thx guys!
Nick
LOL... Dying
As long as you don"t slander him with libel, or infringe on any copyrights (i.e. NBA logos or trademarks) I think you are good. But I’m not a lawyer….
BTW, good on you brother. This site is looooooongggg over due! You are my hero!
I do not see why you could be in trouble
wanting someone traded is (seems to me) a legitimate opinion.
Awesome…..thanks for the feedback, MAS11! I think I can stay within those guidelines.
Thanks for the props – we’re going to make this Raps team better one vote at a time :)
you don't know how influencial these types of sites can be.
I remember when there was www.firesammitchell.com. It becomes a running joke. The media gets a hold of it and links to it. This in turn puts HUGE preassure on management. I hope you can get this done bro.
So true! Great point. If we can get this circulating in the media it will not only put pressure on the organization, but hopefully make them 100% aware of what the fans desire (seeing as though we put food on their tables).
Website influence
Personally, I think you’re dreaming if you expect a domain site to influence player decision.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jan 28, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
True
If the website is simply cinical departure from reality. However, if it is an example of fan frustration, and as in this case, highlighting the blatantly obvious (that Bargnani hurts this club and it is a challange for the team to move forward while he’s still here) it can be a lightnening rod.
maybe you could start getting some sponsor deals
by the look of it there will be plenty of traffic from both sides of the fence
That would be sweet. We could turn the fan base into a union. We call the shots on how the team is constructed :) lol.
I plan on making this an integrated marketing effort, linking to a Facebook page and Twitter (as well as a Forward to a Friend option).
uhm...
just to make it clear, I do not share your opinion on Andrea at all but, as an observer, I see this kind of debates generating lots of traffic. I believe that commenting anything the raps are going trough has become a by-product of even this site where 90% of the discussion is just about Andrea. Try, however not to confuse your (legitimate) opinion in “what the fans want” I would say both camps have lots of troops.
Absolutely...
and I appreciate both camps. In a diplomatic way, I will be catering to both camps on this site. You can either vote “yes” or “no” to trading Barni.
there are plenty of such polls on Realgm
they usually depend on how a particular player has plaid in the last 5 games, do not expect anything ground breaking
Johnson
I don’t want to belabor the point.
However, I am probably the only Raptors fan except for some in the organization that ever saw Johnson play in the D-League. While D-League numbers mean little it was his style of play plus the fact that he did take and make mid range shots playing in the D-League five seasons ago.
The problem was the Pistons played him as a low post player because frankly he did turn the ball over a lot playing facing the basket. However, he has gotten a lot better at it which doesn’t surprise me.
He also shot 75% from the free throw line on over 200 free throw attempts in his second season in the D-League so his improved shooting doesn’t surprise me.
whining and bitching
give it a rest… yeah the team is bad, and there are big holes, and way too many injuries, so stop beating a dead horse and start finding some positives for the future instead of dwelling on the present. I’ve already written off the season and so should most of you. RapthoseLeafs has it right — we have some good and useful players. But the Raps have way too many holes to fill. Bargnani is no Nowitski but he is NOT part of the problem – injuries and team talent level is the problem. And talent is Colangelo’s problem. Put a decent slashing point guard with passing skills on the team and combine with ANY half-decent post player to help Bargnani and Raps are a dangerous playoff team. [I would trade our 1st and 2nd round choices + Davis + money for Kyrie; if not doable, find a way to draft Jordan Williams, a great big man ] Even Reggie made a huge difference to the front court and he is barely quarter-decent. Time to chill, suck it up and watch the green shoots on the team – like demar and probably Bargnani – show us the future. And God help Colangelo if he screws up this off-season.
warpjv
LEt's see what the Draft will give, but
the two positions that would make a (possibly big) jump in the team level of play are C and SF. As far as I am told there are no nice C prospects in this draft but there could be a couple of good to very good SF available where the Raps will be picking.
Evans
I have tg disagree about Evans.
Yes Evans grabbed a lot of rebounds but the Raptors fans memory appears very short with regard to all the games that the Raptors fell behind big time in the first quarter and were outscored a ton in the 3rd quarters mostly with points in the paint by the opposition.
Evans is not a defender of any ability. A very good rebounder yes, but his offense is terrible and his overall defense is mediocre in my opinion.
A very good rebounder yes, but his offense is terrible and his overall defense is mediocre in my opinion.
Agreed, but in the early days of the season, the team had more communication, organization, and dedication on defense. I think some of the slippage on defense can be attributed to the loss of Reggie. Not from a physical standpoint, but from a leadership standpoint.
I’m not saying that getting Reggie back will solve all defensive problems, but to me its no coincidence that the Raptors rebounding and defensive ranking has been slipping since he went down.
Agree 100%
Evans may have been weak offensively but he was a beast on the boards, afforded us extra possessions and was clearly an effective presence on the court. Call his defense weak if you like, but the TEAM defended much better when he was playing.
sorry - wrong board
i switched out of rap republic by mistake — they are the ones whining and bitching. Good comments on this board.
warpjv
you got to be kidding me
your comment was quite appropriate, that let’s me drive to the conclusion the debate is the same pretty everywhere!!!
Enes Kanter vs Terrence Jones
If both were on the board when we pick, which way would you go>
C or SF>
Jones, not even a question...
Kanter is redundant on this team… he’s too small for an NBA Center and a third of our roster is Power Forwards already…
KDFREATPED
Kanter was 17 when he was 6'9 240 smthng and many sites still have those measurements up
I found on the net, his latest measurement in Nov of 2010 was 6’11 262. 6’10 without shoes and 6’11 with shoes. He’s grown and put on some weight. Look up Kentucky pre season videos, he’s looks every inch of that 6’11 and had a big frame so 262lbs may actually be accurate.
Not saying Kanter is the better choice but he has legit center size as of today and he’s not even old enough to drink yet. Food for thought.
Kanter was screwed by the NCAA when they ruled him ineligible. Because of that, we won’t get to see how he matches up against other kids his age. I’m always weary of taking big men who aren’t sure things. Very rarely do these “project” bigs ever turn into anything.
I agree
drafting him without seeing him against NCAA talent is risky. The thing that draws me to wanting to draf thim is how difficult good big men are to find, it is way easier to fill the SF position than the C position. To me, if he works out for us before the draft and looks good, I’d risk it. Terrence Jones is a baller tho and he’s gonna produce right away I think, but is him doing well at SF as valuable as Kanter doing well at C>
You’re absolutely right that a good C is hard to find, but I don’t think this franchise can afford to take that gamble right now. The failure rate of these bigs is just too high. Could you imagine the hostility around the franchise (and on this site) if we bomb on that pick?
I’m hearing alot of good things about Kanter, but I also heard alot of good things about Darko, Olawokandi, Sam Bowie, etc. Memphis gambled on Thabeet at #2 and he’s already been written off. This is why I’m skeptical.
And I think we all remember how that Araujo pick worked out.
Ya I would have a tough time taking an unknown quantity like Kanter ahead of some of the more established players. I’ll admit that I don’t know a lot about kanter, but I understand he has been injured and has not been able to play for Kentuky so challenging to evaluate.
The problem I have with the ‘good C’s are hard to find" philosophy is that’s how Portland ended up with Bowie instead of Jordan and then a generation later, Oden instead of Durant…
best player available
should always superceded drafting for position
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 28, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Point taken, although Oden looked like a sure thing. You can’t bank on injuries unless the player had a history of them (like Roy).
Kanter isn’t injured. The NCAA ruled him ineligible because he allegedly took some $30,000 for expenses while playing for a club team in Turkey, a couple of years ago.
They ruled him ineligible, Kentucky appealled, appeal was denied.

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