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Tip-In: An End to a 12 Year Tradition, Memphis beats Toronto 100 to 98

The Raptors gave Memphis a scare as they tied things up going into the final minute.  There was lots of competitive play but in the end, the Raptors didn't have enough to take themselves over the hump. 

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As a protest to the recent Andrea Bargnani debates that have hijacked countless threads, Vicious D will not mention "Il Mago" for this entire recap.

The streak is dead.

After the Raptors scored a 3-point in every game in over 12 years, they finally succumbed to one of their glaring weaknesses of this year and failed to score from beyond the arc.

At a streak of 986 games, it's nothing to scoff at. 

Especially since one three pointer was all the Raptors needed to come out with a win.

Going 0-13 from beyond the arc, the Raptors simply didn't have the firepower to continue.

No Dell Curry, Vince Carter, or Donyell Marshall.

No Mo Pete, Dee Brown, or Doug Christie.

No Jason Kapono, Derrick Martin, or Anthony Parker.

If there was ever a time for the Raptors to fall to the machinations of time, this was the year.  Shooting just under 33%, the Raptors are 29th in the league this year in three point shooting and considering how good the Raptors have traditionally been at making the three, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that it all ended this year.

Adding insult to injury, the Raptors lost the game by two points.  If just one of those three pointers made it in, the Raptors would have been able to snap their losing streak and would finally get their third win of the year.

Overall though, it wasn't as though the Raptors didn't put up impressive individual efforts.  DeMar DeRozan nearly made a double-double with his 25 points and 9 rebounds, which eclipsed Rudy Gay's own 21 and 7.  Jerryd Bayless filled in admirably for Jose Calderon with a double double of 11 assists and 15 points.  Julian Wright once again gave something extra with 11 points and 9 rebounds.

We also saw the return of Sonny Weems, and injuries and illness sideline Linas Kleiza, Joey Dorsey, and Jose Calderon.

However, with the Raptors only dressing eight players, including d-leaguer Sondiata Gaines, the Raptors just had enough to fight back towards the end of the game.  Going on a run, the Raptors managed to close the gap on Rudy Gay and crew.  Although Zach Randolph, Marc Gasol, Mike Conley, and O.J. Mayo joined Gay as double figure scorers, the Raptors still made a game of it. 

Tied at 98, the Raptors and Grizzlies just couldn't put each other away.  It wasn't until Rudy Gay pulled up for a fadeaway over Julian Wright that the Grizzlies put the Raptors down for the count.

The Raptors' 3-point streak was something that we used to laugh about because it seemed so inconsequential.  For many years, without any accolades, the Raptors and their media personnel would trot out the streak seemingly to distract the crowds from state of affairs in the Raptors' backyard.  Now that it's come to a close, I feel like I can at least reflect on it; 12 years is an extremely long time.  Just thinking about how many Vince Carter and Morris Peterson 3-pointers had launched to start the streak more than a decade ago is impressive.  Thinking about all the great and not-so-great shooters who have contributed to that streak is nothing short of mind boggling 

When I look back at it, I think about how important the 3-point shot has become and what the Raptors will need in the foreseeable future. While the concept of the streak may have been half baked, this team's need for more consistent 3-point shooting is not.  With so few 3's being made this year, the Raptors have had to work extra hard to attain additional possessions just to remain consistent with other teams.  That simply can't be allowed to repeat itself next year.  Having effective shooters allows the Raptors to spread the floor, to break down zone defenses and to create a more efficient offensive unit. 

Without that, the Raptors cannot hope to match against even the middle of the Eastern Conference.

Poll
Who was the Raptors' greatest 3 point shooter during their 12-year streak
Dell Curry
97 votes
Dee Brown
0 votes
Morris Peterson
58 votes
Jason Kapono
8 votes
Vince Carter
6 votes
Donyell Marshall
38 votes
Anthony Parker
6 votes

213 votes | Poll has closed

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Last Night

I was at the game sitting directly behind the Grizzlies bench. Here are a few observations:

1. Easily the most entertaining game in a LONG TIME. Early on it was evident that the Grizz had no respect for this Raptors team. They were laughing, joking and even Tony Allen was giving the business to the Raptors bench. The result was the Raptors were fired up for this one.

2. Player of the game was Amir Johnson. Although not a huge night statistically he battled Randolph all night in what was an incredibly physical affair. The two of them were battling in the paint like two heavy-weight fighters. Although Randolph had a double-double it could have been a lot worse had Johnson not played his heart out. Kudos also to Ed Davis who also played some solid defense on the interior.

3. Back to Tony Allen. This guy is wack-o. I don’t think he could have been more up for this game. He was pacing the sidelines and wanted in the game so badly. He is extremely vocal on the defensive end and just brings a swagger. A few people around the Grizz bench were talking smack to him and it looked like he was ready to lose it on people.

4. The Thabeet sighting for the last 0.8 seconds of the game was priceless. The guy is a $5m cheerleader. I have never seen so many high fives. After halftime, despite playing no minutes in the first quarter he came out with bags of nice on one of his legs which he kept on the whole second half. When he was thrown in to defend the inbounds pass there is no doubt one of his legs was numb.

5. There are some nice young pieces on this Grizz squad. Guys like Sam Young and Demarre Carroll don’t play much but they add some grit and toughness.

6. Damon Stoudamire returned to TO last night as an assistant coach for the Grizz. I wonder how much of Conley’s growth can be attributed to Damon.

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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jan 25, 2011 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

Can't believe I missed this one...

5+ years of watching and recapping Raptors’ games and I miss the one where the streak ends…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jan 25, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree whole heartedly on Amir

He did a great job last night.
As much as I like Jay and I’m very happy to see a Canadian in that spot, I think he is part of the problem with this team. I know it is easy to criticize but it seems that there is something missing.
It comes back to this defense issue. The best coaches in the league have a quality that seems to be every bit as important as technical knowledge and that is the ability convince the players to accept their roles and play right. As we all know we have had players making the same mistakes and doing the same wrong things since the start of the year.
So does that not indicate that there is a problem in the coaching side of things?

by raptball on Jan 25, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Blaming Triano for the Raptor Defensive Woes is like blaming Obama for the lack of movement in US Health Care. If people don’t want to play, there is only so much you can do about it. If Triano had more clout as a coach he could bench everyone who doesn’t put in the effort and just roll out defensive players but he is not at liberty to do that. So instead, we see the same suspect defense every game. There is no doubt that the system can work as we have seen when everyone puts the effort into it, they have had success this season. It just seems that effort isn’t there on a regular basis.

P.S. The disclaimer that D wouldn’t mention AB is a complete and utter fabrication. It is not like AB missed 4 three pointers last night or anything. For Shame D, For Shame.

by McGateway on Jan 27, 2011 7:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Finally!!

Man, I am so sick of hearing about the Raptors 3-pt streak. I am happy to put that one to bed.

Too bad about the game, but at least the Raptors fought until the end. A good sign that they haven’t switched off yet.

by DW19 on Jan 25, 2011 8:46 AM EST reply actions  

It’s ok – next game we can start counting again! The streak is at 0 boys!

by dhackett1565 on Jan 25, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

It's too darn bad Armstrong and Develin feel they have to be the entertainment!

just call the game boys instead of the amateur job You did last night. Just sad!

by Davl on Jan 25, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

When Devlin said the Raptors were beaten by a very talented Heat team

I nearly choked. Yes, the Heat are a very talented team, but you can’t say that about the squad the Raptors faced and lost to. Without Wade and Bosh, I wouldn’t say the Heat were a very talented team.

by siggian on Jan 25, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Except for the extremely talented Lebron James without whom, the Cavaliers have dropped from first to worst.

by bigweeze on Jan 25, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Poll is missing someone

Darrick Martin sank a 3 in the final second of a game to preserve the streak for another few years.

Is the Mavericks streak still alive? If so, the Raptors won’t be enjoying their slice of history for long.

by siggian on Jan 25, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

One small editorial note...

the Raptors have won more than two games this year so …

would finally get their third win of the year.

seems like a slight error in rounding down maybe?

KDFREATPED

by Mikthaniel on Jan 25, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

They probably mean “this year” as in 2011. In that case “this year” basically means “this month”.

by DW19 on Jan 25, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

one great thing from last night

3 hard fouls given on ‘sure thing’ buckets

1- Amir on Arthur on a break
2-Bayless on Conley on a break
3-Amir on Gay on a dunk attemp

result…. 6 FTs, of which 2 were made. 3 hard fouls prevent 4 points. Not that players will always miss their FTs, but make them earn it.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 25, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

I definitely want to see more play like that from the Raptors.

by DW19 on Jan 25, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Bayless near triple double

As well as his 15 & 11, Bayless was only 2 rebounds away from a triple double. Other than his 4 TOs and 0-3 3-pt shooting he had a dream night from a fantasy bball perspective.

by DW19 on Jan 25, 2011 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

The raptors have absolutely lost me. i’d rather bang my head against a cinder block than watch another game. 0 for 13 from three point range. I’m surprised that the score was so close because of that. It is obvious that team is in need of a major overhall, but where do you start?

by Jeffrey Thompson on Jan 25, 2011 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

That's the problem

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A starting lineup of Jose, Demar, Wright, Amir & Bargnani , features only 2 guys who can hit a shot from the perimeter. That’s a big problem that doesn’t get enough attention.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jan 25, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

As well

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If we want Bargs to play the post more often, that means less opportunities for a 3, which means an even worse situation (than what we have now). It’s a dilemma we have with our Big Guy.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jan 25, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

DeRozan’s 3P% of 0.080 is embarassing for a shooting guard. The fact that is has regressed significantly from the 0.250 he shot in his rookie season is cause for concern. Combine that with the fact that he plays nothing resembling NBA defense, and it’s safe to say I’m not bullish on DeRozan.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 25, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Count me as Bullish on DeRozan

I think he has taken rather large steps in terms of development over the last few months and is lightyears ahead of where he was last season. Does his defense still need improvement? For sure. However, let’s not forget he is a young (both in age and physically imature) sophmore and has the tools and disposition to improve.

To be quite honest, I couldn’t care less about his 3 point shooting. In fact I would be happy if he never developed that as part of his game. A player with his athleticism should be attacking the basket, drawing fouls and grabbing rebounds. We’ve seen what happens when athletic wings learn to shoot from downtown (ehem, ehem, Vince Carter) they stop doing the other things that have a greater impact on the game.

by MAS11 on Jan 25, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

But there is a correlation between 3-point shooting and winning (see the Orlando Magic as one example). I’d rather get the 3-point shooting from the point guard and wings than the fake centre ;)

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 25, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s clearly worked on every other part of his offensive game, I have to think he’ll be working on his range quite a bit this summer.

A 3pt. shot would really help his game and our team as a whole. He’ll be a very tough guard when (if) he develops that.

by Mistafitz on Jan 25, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

In a perfect world, DeRozan gets into the 0.400 range from beyond the arc within a couple of seasons. I would settle for something 0.300 or above next season – average to just below average.

You’re right – adding that three point game would make him much tougher to guard and probably have a trickle down effect on the rest of his game.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 25, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Having a three point game as a weapon is a bonus. However, I would much prefer that he continues to improve his aggressiveness (attacking the bascket) and offensive rebounding. Especially if the “fake centre” is not going to do either ; )

by MAS11 on Jan 25, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the bigger thing here would be

Derozan adds three point shooting WITHOUT taking away from his aggressiveness.

I’m thinking (and I’m not comparing him to them) Paul Pierce, D-Wade, Tyreke Evans… as opposed to a Vince Carter or Jason Richardson

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 25, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Point taken, but Wade and Evans aren’t really good 3 point shooters.

by bigweeze on Jan 25, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

nope

they aren’t good. But they aren’t bad either. They are just ok… and thats all he needs.

It just adds that extra something to their game presenting that much more of a challenge to defend.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 25, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d like to see DeRozan’s 3-pt percentage get over 30%, but I don’t want to see him take more than 2 or 3 shots per game from beyond the arc(unless he is really on fire or something).

by DW19 on Jan 25, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

The two aren’t mutually exclusive and if he can develop both and maintane a balanced attack, all the better for us Raptors fans. However, as a caution, the NBA graveyard is littered with the bones of athletic wings that fell in love with the three point shot. But totally agree, best case scenario is the best of both worlds.

by MAS11 on Jan 25, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

actually this got me interested

Player – Career 3pt % (just picked off the top of my head)

Michael Jordan 32.7

Kobe 33.9

Magic Johnson 30.3

Dumars 38.2

Lebron 33.1

Wade 29.1

Isaih Thomas 29.0

Pippen 32.6

Aside from Dumars, hardly impressive numbers.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 25, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting… but look at that list of players: None of them could be considered one-dimensional scorers like DeRozan. You’ve got guys who averaged way more rebounds, assists, steals, free throws, etc. Guys who have made all-defensive teams.

The fact that DeRozan’s game is fairly one dimensional means that his three-point percentage should be a bigger deal.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 25, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah no doubt

Wasn’t trying to imply Derozan is on his way to their stature

just more to what Mas was saying

aggressiveness > 3pt shooting

I’m sure if the numbers were broken down there would be a direct correlation (in relation to scoring) along the lines of:

FT > FG > 3pt (or something like that)

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jan 25, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes - You've distilled my point well

I truly believe three point shooting is over valued as those players that predicate their offense on three point shooting, by necessity are taking themselves away from oportunities to break down the defence and make plays (read assists), generate fouls and grab offensive rebounds. I too believe there is a mathematical/statistical correlation out there somewhere that prooves this – I just don’t know what it is : )

Dstance, agreed Derozan game is currently one dimensional. But he has shown signs (last nights 9 rebs for example) of having the ability to have a more diversified impact on the game… I truly believe it is a matter of time, repetitions and maturity.

But hey, if I’m still making the same arguments after 4.5 years with no statistics to back it up. Please, for the love of GOD, call me out and shut me up! LOL ; )

by MAS11 on Jan 25, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

But hey, if I’m still making the same arguments after 4.5 years with no statistics to back it up. Please, for the love of GOD, call me out and shut me up! LOL ; )

Dying of laughter…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 25, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Cough Bargnani cough.

by McGateway on Jan 27, 2011 7:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree on Derozan

Sure his defense is crappy-crap, and his 3pt. shooting is horrendous, but I’ve seen alot of growth from him this year. Remember, we would maybe see good things from him once every 5 games last year; and even that was only for a few minutes at a time. This year, he’s been up and down, but he’s done alot of good things on offense (aside from the terrible 3pt. shooting), given his apparent work ethic, I believe his defense will eventually improve to a passable level.

He still needs to work on alot of things, but I think adding another 10+ pounds of muscle over the summer will help him on both sides of the ball. Right now, he’s just too weak physically to finish at the rim alot of times, and on defense he gets hung up on screens way too often. Adding some strength would help in both regards.

by Mistafitz on Jan 25, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I look at a guy like Derrick Rose as a reason for optimism when it comes to DeRozan’s defense. Rose was a terrible defender for his first couple of seasons in the league, but this year he is quite good. Coaching and focus on defense seem to be what have made the difference. DeRozan certainly has plenty of athleticism for his position and he is young enough that he should still be able to improve significantly. The added strength should come naturally as he fills out over the next year or two.

by DW19 on Jan 25, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at what Rose does from beyond the arc as well. DeRozan needs that type of improvement.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 25, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Rose’s 3pt % is way up (.267 to .378), but his eFG% is actually down 10 pts to .485, though TS% is up slightly. Long story short, he seems to have lost effectiveness on shots inside the arc but is at least drawing more fouls.

I like the stat lines we’re seeing from DD right now. For a guy who’s usage has shot through the roof, his %s have actually maintained quite well.

Plus, I’d rather Derozan shoot 50% inside the arc and not be able to make 3s if he’s our primary scorer, than be able to shoot 3s but be generally less effective closer to the basket.

Ideally your primary scorer is the one getting high percentage looks (shooting 50% from 2 is preferable to shotting 33% from 3) and drawing fouls while the complementary players are the ones spotting up and chucking from the land beyond.

by bigweeze on Jan 25, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. All DeRozan needs is a good enough 3-point shot, so that he can sell an up-fake.

by DW19 on Jan 25, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point mistafitz

I still think Derozan is physically imature. When he’s 24/25 he will be a completely different player physically if he works at it. He will be able to hold his position, fight through screens (its almost comical to watch him bounce off people as he chases the Ray Allens of the world) and finish stronger aound the rim.

by MAS11 on Jan 25, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

His 3pt shooting will come. To me, it’s more important this year to see his 15 footer fall reasonably consistently along with his free throws. If those start to fall, increasing his range is bound to happen. His free throw shooting has improved significantly this year and to my mind, his mid range jumper has also improved in the last month or so.

FWIW, I think he’s more of a Richard Jefferson-type player. It’s interesting to note that Jefferson was a poor 3pt shooter his first 2 years (about 25%)

by siggian on Jan 26, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

3 Point Effect

To be quite honest, I couldn’t care less about his 3 point shooting. In fact I would be happy if he never developed that as part of his game. A player with his athleticism should be attacking the basket, drawing fouls and grabbing rebounds. [MAS11]

I can’t agree (with the first 2 sentences). Without perimeter shooting, opponents can just collapse the defense – and play the odds by giving up the 3 pt shot. For Toronto, it becomes harder to penetrate. Considering we suck at 3pt%, it’s surprising how well we do with points in the paint. Part of the reason for that, are fast break points, which Raps excel at – 1st in the NBA.

To date, Demar ranks dead last amongst Shooting Guards (with 20+ minutes) for 3 pt% ….. part of the reason why Raptors also rank DEAD LAST in that statistic. 3 point shots can have a demoralizing effect on teams – God knows the Raptors have experienced that enough. To me, this part of the game is under-appreciated by some.
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When it comes to better perimeter shooting, Demar doesn’t have to relinquish his points in the paint to achieve better outside results. In fact, he might find PIP opportunities become more available, if teams have to play both options (outside & inside shooting). Look at Reggie for example – teams dared him to shoot. And of course, he didn’t. While Evans is not a great example of offense, it just shows that this weakness perpetuates an easier defense by one’s opponents.

However, I would much prefer that he continues to improve his aggressiveness (attacking the basket) and offensive rebounding.

Now this I agree with – partly – in that I think a greater effort needs to be placed on his long range shooting, without giving up those attacks to the basket. Less “collapsing by opponents” might help reduce those “lost” balls in the paint, as well as offensive charges that Demar experiences at times.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Jan 25, 2011 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

Ideally, you want the most skilled player possible. Realistically, you can’t expect a player to do all things, nor can we necessarily determine what he will do when new options are presented to him.

Noone is saying that we don’t want Derozan to be able to effectively score from range. But think about it this way – the Raptors have lacked two major pieces for the longest time – one of which is an athletic wing who can create for himself and attack the basket.

People are somewhat reluctant to see Derozan develop a strong long-range shooting game not because it isn’t useful, but because it can be a booby prize. Once Vince developed his outside shot, he was a force for the next couple of years. Understandably (when combined with his personality) he became increasingly reliant on it as the team became overly reliant on him to carry the load. Why work extremely hard for a slightly better shot when this good-enough jumper is available relatively easily? This is not the developmental path we want Derozan to follow, and doesn’t even become a choice if he can’t shoot that well. I suppose this is the equivalent of hoping you don’t have a hot daughter.

Of course it hurts to see Derozan catch the ball beyond the arc with time and not take the shot, or miss it. But if the choice is between turning the guy into a finesse scorer vs. aggressive scorer, most will choose the latter. It’s easier to find good spot up shooters to compensate, and honestly it’s not entirely necessary to have a marksman as your #1 option. Consider that franchise players like Kobe, Wade and Lebron more often than not fail to hit even 35% from 3.

by bigweeze on Jan 25, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Why work extremely hard for a slightly better shot when this good-enough jumper is available relatively easily?

Vince never had the reputation as being a hard worker. He’s one of those guys who would do just enough work. He’s never really had the inner drive to push himself to that next level. So taking the easier route would appeal to him.

For DD, we’ve not heard a whisper about him not working hard to improve himself. He may not have the natural talent that VC had, but his drive might take him to that level.

by siggian on Jan 26, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to get too far out ahead, but the simple way to put it is this:

It’s difficult to predict how someone will act when you guarantee them tens of millions of dollars.

Vince isn’t the only player this phenomenon has happened to, he’s just one example of the many cases league-wide.

by bigweeze on Jan 26, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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