Why Raptors Fans Should Want the Carmelo Anthony Deal to Happen
With a day off in Raps action, Franchise looks at a few different topics of interest to the team including the possible impact of the proposed Carmelo Anthony deal on Toronto, and a few players of interest in the D League that the Dinos may want to take a look at.
Is Carmelo Anthony this generation's Shawn Kemp?
Oh I'd argue he's a more talented and better all-around player, but for those who remember, Kemp, as a member of the Sonics, was one of the most sought-after players in the league at one point thanks to his ability to bring in fans due to his Blake Griffin-esque game.
But an MVP candidate or franchise cornerstone?
Not so much.
I remember this vividly as a former Cavs' fan of course, as while Kemp put up big numbers with Cleveland for a few seasons, his weight also ballooned to Oliver Miller-esque proportions and it quickly became obvious that he needed serious help to carry a team past the first round of the playoffs.
John Hollinger went into this in detail recently on ESPN (Insider), but it's hard to say that the Nets potential acquisition of Carmelo Anthony will put them on the same level in the East as the Heat, Magic and Celtics, or even the Knicks and Hawks. A potential starting line-up of Chauncey Billups, Richard Hamilton, Carmelo Anthony, Kris Humphries and Brook Lopez is decent enough, but New Jersey has only 10 wins and therefore would need a huge run to finish off the season to make a dent in their conference, let alone sneak into the playoffs.
And now it seems the deal is in jeopardy of falling through thanks to numerous demands of the Nuggets.
As I read through the various takes on the situation, I realized that the one big plus that no one was talking about was the impact the trade would have on various other clubs in the East and West this season. In particular, what about the Dinos? There were rumours Bryan Colangelo was trying to get in on this trade in some capacity but beyond that, should this deal go through, in the short term, I'd argue it would be a big plus for the Raptors' franchise.
Why?
Well for starters two of the three teams in the current trade scenario live in the East, New Jersey and Detroit, and both would seemingly improve should the trade go down. Considering Toronto is neck and neck with Detroit in the standings, and not that far ahead of New Jersey, an improvement from these clubs as the season winds up would represent a major boost to TO's lottery chances come June.
As mentioned, Jersey would get an elite scorer in Melo, a possibly rejuvenated RIP Hamilton, and a solid, albeit aging, point guard to replace Devin Harris. There's not much there for bench options, but that threesome along with Brook Lopez should be good enough to make a late playoff run, and possibly around 35 to 38 wins, provided a trade takes place sooner rather than later. Toronto is currently on pace for about 29 wins, a number I don't see changing much, so that would vault them ahead of the Nets in the lottery race.
Detroit?
Well I'd argue it's a bit more of an addition by subtraction situation.
Without a knowingly disgruntled Hamilton, the Pistons locker room chemistry would likely improve, and Ben Gordon, having a miserable year at present splitting time with RIP, would be allowed to take over the 2 guard role. Troy Murphy was a very valuable player for the Pacers before being banished to Never-Never Land by the Nets this year, and should improve the overall talent on Detroit as well. The Pistons would also land Johan Petro, something they're apparently reluctant to do thanks to his giant contract, but talent-wise he'd likely be a non-factor on the roster.
Detroit gives up only the aforementioned Hamilton in the deal as well as middling prospect DaJuan Summers, and considering they're only a game back of Toronto now in the standings, it's not hard to think that the proposed Melo deal would also give them a slight edge on TO standings-wise when the year comes to a close.
Which again means the Raps jump up a spot in the lottery.
Looking at the standings right now, Toronto has the eighth-worst record in the league.
However the Melo deal would very likely see two of those eight leap-frog the Dinos, and the Clippers have been playing much better of late too, creating the very distinct possibility that TO finishes with one of the five worst records in the league.
I don't see the Timberwolves, Kings, Cavs or Wizards passing the Raptors, but I also don't see any of the clubs above Toronto falling below them either. (Again barring major injuries.)
And from my perspective, looking at the top prospects in the upcoming draft, I think a bottom five finish is essential in giving the club the best shot at a true top-five prospect, something I'm not confident they'll have at their current pace.
In addition, such a move could solidify the East's playoff picture for the season after this one as it's hard to see another club displacing Boston, Miami, Orlando, Chicago, New York, Atlanta or yes, New Jersey. Yes, that leaves one playoff spot open, but Indiana, Milwaukee and Philly would likely battle it out meaning another great shot for Toronto at the lottery, and a means of accumulating top, cheap, talent.
Am I saying I want to witness another 25 or 27 win season after this one?
No.
But as Michael Grange pointed out yesterday morning, without a serious influx of talent, the Raptors will be dwelling in irrelevancy for at least the near future, and currently the best fix is to obtain fresh new star power.
Perry Jones, Kyrie Irving, Enes Kanter, Terrence Jones, Jared Sullinger, Kemba Walker...come on down...
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Turning back to this season, it's been obvious that the Raptors could really use a true third-string point guard on their roster. Injuries have forced Leandro Barbosa and even Julian Wright to man the spot at times, and while Toronto flirted with signing Bobby Brown after Summer League, they decided to stick with the Calderon-Jack combo and instead stock up on "bigs."
We've seen the results, and lately there's been talk that after releasing Ronald Dupree, the Raps would look to grab a top point guard from the D League.
To that end, I talked to SB Nation and Ridiculous Upside's Scott Schroeder, the foremost D League expert, on some possible options for Toronto. Aside from pointing me in the direction of some top options overall, he noted a few specific options at point including Mustafa Shakur and Cedric Jackson. While he wasn't high on Jackson, the former point guard for the Raps' D League squad, he also suggested a few other names like Walker Russell Jr. and recent Villanova star Scottie Reynolds, all of whom have had success running the show in the NBA's Developmental League.
One final option he noted, and one I'm a big proponent of, was for the Raptors to look at some combo guard options like Kyle Weaver and Trey Johnson, more legit NBA players thanks to their other offensive and defensive attributes. I've always been a big fan of Weaver since his days at Washington State and I think in a pinch he could certainly set up Toronto's offence, plus be a boost defensively, the main attribute that got him drafted by Oklahoma City in 2008.
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Great article. I see the logic.
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by JumpShootersRUS on Jan 11, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions
Great article
It’s kind of depressing to look at where the Raptors are relative to the rest of the Eastern Conference. I mean, you expect Boston to slide in the next few years because of the age factor. But the rest of those teams boast young, talented rosters – with true stars or superstars – that should remain in contention for years to come (I’m assuming Carmelo and others land in NJ/Brooklyn when I make that statement).
The Raptors need to hope some of the young talent on the current roster develops while maintaining a strong bench. The defensive mindset of this team needs to change drastically. Most importantly, they need to acquire a couple of blue chip prospects in the 2011 and 2012 draft lotteries in order to enter the conversation with the Miami’s and Orlando’s of the world.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jan 11, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions
If we get a pick, sure take Petro.
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by JumpShootersRUS on Jan 11, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
or at least the option to swap picks… I don’t think they have extra picks to give out… unless it’s for 4 years down the road
KDFREATPED
even a little raw, an athletic 7 footer would be welcome in my stable…
he IS better than Alabi for sure…
KDFREATPED
Plus as we joked back in the year he was drafted, he would have the best nickname ever…
PETRO CANADA
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by Adam Francis on Jan 11, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
we NEED PETRO to play for us if thats their nickname! haha
by untouchable_21 on Jan 11, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
ideal trade
It seems like Toronto should start another rebuilding mode.
We should start by acquiring a good young combo guard (pg/sg). May I suggest D.Collison?
Since Indiana is another mediocre team with some roster confusion, raptors and pacers should consider following trade:
To TOR:
-D. Collison (should thrive in free-flowing offense like TOR)
-J. McRoberts (personal preference)
-Posey (contract relief for IND)
To IND:
-L.Barbosa (scoring punch)
-Ed Davis (young frontcourt with good potential)
-Dorsey or any contract filler (I would rather keep Dorsey for team chemistry)
The salary matches and both teams benefits while acquiring young assets and getting rid of problematic rosters.
Also, if possible, we can gain a mid first around draft with trade exception or trade Posey to a contender comes trade deadline.
New Raptops roster
-Calderon /Collison/Bayless
-Collison /Derozan/Posey
-Derozan /Weems/Kleiza
-McRoberts /Bargnani/Dorsey/Wright
-Bargnani /Dorsey/Alabi
Can’t see Indiana giving up Collison considering they yearned for a solid starting PG for the last few years and just obtained him. Even with Ed Davis, don’t think Indy would make the move.
I like the idea though.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 11, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Collison
Ok I had him on my fantasy team and he completely disapointed. However, it was not his fault. Jim O’Brian might be the worst manager of player minutes if not the worst coach in the NBA. His rotations make less sense than Triano’s and that’s saying something! How you can trade for and then squander an asset like Collison is a mystery to me… And I’ve seen his interviews where he tries to demystify his thought process and I leave more confused than when he started. What a jack-ass…
Jim O'Brian...
+1 on Jim Brian as worst manager of player minutes.
I also have D.Collison on my roster, and it’s been pretty disappointing to say the least.
If Pacers are keeping Jim Brian, I’m pretty confident that both D.Collison and McRobert will be kept in his doghouse. Collison is best when he dominates ball possession, so Pacer’s offense does not fit his style.
I would definitely push for this trade, and sweeten the offer with future second-round picks if required.
We will have to absorb Posey’s contract but the new rosters, with trade, excites me.
Raps should make a trade with Pacers... BUT
although I like the idea of making an offer to the Pacers. I don’t agree with the one you have suggested. Firstly, they would not be willing to part with Collison. And secondly I think trying to get Paul George would ultimately be a better decision for the long run. Yes I know he is not a pg… but there are a few pg’s to be had in this years draft. I think George and DD would play well with one another, and give the Dino’s an excellent scoring combo. I think the pacers would actually consider trading him as well, since they have Granger.
I was actually hoping the Raps would get Patrick Patterson in the last draft, but so far I have to say that Davis looks promising.. and should be a solid player in a year or two. So I do not think trading Davis is at all the right thing to do.
While I agree that Collison is lightning quick, and a good player. I just don’t see him ever developing into antything super-special.. he may have a few very good years.. but that is about it. In my mind trading that much and throwing in a pick, as some have suggested, is just not at all a good solution.
by Arthur_Pewty on Jan 12, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
No way
You completely lost me on two counts. The first is that teams rarely do well with combo guards at the 1 unless they’ve also got someone like LeBron who can run the offense himself. Teams struggle to score without someone who knows how to make his teammates better, not just handle the ball and dish it off when they can’t shoot.
Both Indiana and New Orleans performed below their talent level with him running the team. That’s got to be a bit of a red flag.
Also, there’s no way in hell I give up on Ed Davis so soon, especially for what you suggest. In my opinion, he’s got a good chance of being better than anyone the Raptors get for him, and he’s the type of player that usually makes an impact in the win column, not just in the box score.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
Continued...
I forgot Amir Johnson in our rosters.
Barring any resigning of players, Indiana will have abrout $30 million in salary which includes:
-Granger, B.Rush, Hansbrough, Hibbert, Ed Davis.
I’m sure they can find a decent point guard and other fillers with close to $30 mil to spend.
Prospects to watch
If the Raptors stay where they are 8th pick they would be drafting Harrison Barnes according to DX’s current projections. Going into the season that was a lot of people’s dream outcome(ie add a possible star swingman). Too bad Barnes is not distinguishing himself so far this season.
Outside of Kyrie Irving and Perry Jones, who the Raptors would have to win the lottery to get, I like the look of Terrence Jones if the Raptors creep up a bit in the draft. Strong, athletic wing who can rebound and has a bit of offensive polish. Like a more skilled version of Julian Wright. Kemba Walker might be an interesting option too, if he was available for the Raptors pick, but I have doubts about his defense. A big plus would be that he would give the Raptors a guy with the confidence and skills to create and hit a game-winning shot which they haven’t had for a while now.
I’m starting to believe in Kemba Walker. I saw him will UCONN to a win over Texas on the weekend, and very good Texas club that defended him about as well as possible. Haven’t seen enough solid D, true, but his shot has improved a ton and his ability to break guys down off the bounce and get to the rim is unparalleled in college ball.
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by Adam Francis on Jan 11, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Walker would be great if he were about four inches taller. As it is I don’t see him being a true pg and right now scoring is about the only thing he does well.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
Count me as a terrence jones supporter. Watched him play agains Louisville over the holidays and he’s a mix between Rudy Gay and Danny granger. Big, athletic SF with good offensive polish.
The Raptors need elite talent above all else. They have none at moment. They can make a couple of trades to improve their defense. They can do the same to improve their offense, too. What they can’t do very easily is make a trade for an elite talent. Jones has the potential to be an elite talent.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
wow barnes 8th
and he had so much hype as the next great thing but he has completely no lived up to all the hype so far..to the point where hes actually dropping in the the draft standings. i still think the raps SHOULD go for kyrie irving but im hearing good things about perry jones. has anybody seen this kid play yet and what is his game like.
Hopefully we can get Walker
And trade for 2 NBA vet defenders. Triano can yell all he wants in the huddles about no defence.. but it’s up to the GM to actually bring a few of them in. Since it would also seem defence cannot be learned on this team.
Side note.. would like to see PJ become the new coach in a year or two. The guy has the baskeball IQ and swagger to be a head coach. Triano looks almost dead.
by Arthur_Pewty on Jan 12, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Great article Franchise, and love the analysis on what this means for the Raps. Couple of comments. Not sure if the Kemp/Melo comparison is tenable. Melo has arguably a much more well rounded skill set. Also, by the time Kemp got to Cleveland, he was past his prime, battling weight issues (as you stated) that may be attributed to his substance abuse and mental disability issues (rumoured to be an alcoholic and suffering from depression at the time). Also, let’s not forget Kemp with the Sonics had the best record in the league in one or two seasons (can’t remember exactly) and went to the NBA finals only to lose to MJ’s Bulls. Also, Melo surrounded by not much else on that Denver team has consistently had 50 plus win season and made it to the playoffs in the Western Conference. I would happily build around Melo considering the abovementioned. That’s why I didn’t get the Melo detractions in yesterday’s comment section – but if I’m missing something about Melo, please let me know.
Also, you commented that NJ would lack for depth. However, with Travis Outlaw, Jordan Farmar and Anthony Morrow coming off the bench, I would argue you have a solid top 8 rotation. Unless some of those players are involved in the deal, haven’t seen the particulars outside of the principal pieces you’ve discussed above.
Regarding the third string PG – the only qualm I have with signing a combo guard (i.e. Weaver/Johnson) is that if you’re going to play a combo guard, you might as well play Barbosa at the point more no? And we’ve seen how well that has worked out this season.
Also,
What the heck is BC waiting for in regards to signing a third string PG? The PG’s on this team have been playing injured for the last 3 to 4 weeks andthe team goes out and signs Dupree? I just don’t get it… Is anyone at the helm of this ship?
Play Barbosa,
We need more than a third string PG, so i agree with giving more playing for Barbosa.
This will allow Barbosa to gain more stats, and increase his trade value.
If we’re not going to compete this year, I say Trade him when his value is high and give more minutes to our youngsters.
Sundiata Gaines
An update to the D League piece.
One player I didn’t mention is Sundiata Gaines, a guard who got some burn with the Jazz last year and was briefly a member of the T Wolves this season. He’s been a bit of a combo type previously in his career at Georgia and in the D League, but is a name Bryan Colangelo’s thrown around in the past.
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That was a good read
Would be nice to win that lottery again huh :). Would like to see Scotty Renolds on the raps, he’s small but I’ve always liked his game.
Collison
Don’t like the trade. Collison has potential but Mcroberts and Posey are tough pills to swallow. Meanwhile Barbosa adds offensive punch and experience, Davis has the potential to be the top Raptor in blocked shots and Dorsey is a hustle player.
The only way that deal works is if Davis doesn’t pan out and Collison does. I think it will be the other way around, but no one can be sure at this point in time.
The truth is the Raps need a centre who is a defensive beast, ala Dwight Howard, but then again who doesn’t.
I think the quote of the year is Andrea’s after the Kings game. He really talked about how important Defence is if you want to win……..let’s pray he means it. I like Andrea but he has rarely shown defensive intensity. If he did, he could be one of the top centres in the league. Right now he is a weak offensive centre and one of the best offensive centres in the league. It’s pretty obvious what he needs to do and how great an opportunity it is for him. If he can raise his rebounding and shot blocking and pick and roll D, then he can ensure a long career in this league as one of it’s premium players. Otherwise he may be taking way less money and end up in Golden State. Talk about incentive…
Scott Reynolds
He might be worth a look. He was a bit of a chucker (good shooter but took too many shots and didn’t get his teammates involved enough) at Villanova but he had a certain strut and a sense of confidence and he was quick. If he can keep his player in front of him well and moves well on D, I would give him a shot. He’s gotta be hungry and you know he feels like he should of had a shot in the NBA after last season so he’s got a chip on his shoulder and something to prove.
He is a premier athlete as well, both physically and mentally and whether he belongs or not, you know he thinks he does. Costs us very little to find out if he’s right. Sign him up to a ten day deal.
Melo
I think Melo is going to end up a Knick. Denver wants too much for NJ to make the deal. If it does happen , awesome deal for my Pistons.


























