Colangelo: "We're Poised to Start Building Here...and It's Not Starting at Ground Zero..."
After summarizing the events of yesterday's Media Session last night, Raptors HQ turns to the big fish, Bryan Colangelo and his promises of a "fresh start..."
30 wins.
28 wins.
25 wins.
20 wins!
These were examples of some of the numbers I heard thrown around by the various media in attendance at yesterday's annual Raptors Media Day when prognosticating the upcoming Dino season.
Not exactly cheery estimates.
This was all off-camera and off the record of course, more banter between rival scribes, many of whom hadn't seen each other in months off the Raptors' beat, yet a good gauge of how most view the 2010-11 version of the Toronto Raptors.
It even got to the point that at the conclusion of his talk with us, Bryan Colangelo turned to a couple of the aforementioned scribes and urged them to "write something positive."
Woah.
is this what the former Legomaster has been reduced to?
Begging the Toronto media to cut him some slack?
It's difficult to fathom that the once heralded saviour of the franchise is now being viewed in this negative light but when he spoke yesterday of Bargnani taking a big step forward again this year, it was hard not to see the collective eye-roll from all gathered.
The magic folks has worn off.
That being said, the talk with Bryan Colangelo is one of my favourite parts of any Raptors' media event. As you can see from the clip on Raptors.com, BC has this politician approach to speaking and whether you agree with what he says or not, it's pretty hard not to at least get sucked into listening to what he has to say. In fact, while I found myself doing an eye roll myself at some of his points, I stayed right to the end of his dissertation, even talking to him one-on-one a bit after.
The question for me the past couple of seasons has been, how much of a salesman is he as opposed to a good GM. Recently he's been all salesman I'd argue, even going so far as to discuss yesterday the great "assets" the team got back for Chris Bosh, and how the team is in a "completely different financial position going forward," one with "financial flexibility", and no longer being held hostage with big contracts.
Right.
You mean the "assets" you were forced to take and the same "big contracts" that you brought on Bryan?
Of course he's got to emphasize the improved financial situation and "feeling a lot better" about the things in that respect. There's not much on-the-court to emphasize at this point in time but you can be sure that if Linas Kleiza has a break-out season (he already labeled him yesterday as a big improvement over Hedo Turkoglu) we'll hear about that until the cows come home.
It's also the reason both he and Jay Triano quite frequently yesterday talked about the positive impact of losing Chris Bosh.
Aaah, the old reverse psychology!
In fact you got the feeling from talking to Bryan, Jay and others yesterday, that Bosh was the problem last season and the reason the team didn't win 50 games!
He held the ball too long on offence, limited opportunities for other players, was unhappy and definitely wasn't a leader. In fact Colangelo went so far as to say that he "couldn't tell you who the leader on this club was last year," but that he "knew who the leading scorer was..."
Yikes.
So essentially by losing Bosh, other members of the team can now step up and as Colangelo put it, "we'll find out what the rest of the players can do." This is especially true of players like Weems and DeRozan (who BC loved to note had just turned 21) and of course Andrea Bargnani. BC is as high on Bargs as ever and said that Andrea will be able to step out of "the shadow of Chris," and there will be a "lot more opportunity now to score and express himself on the court."
Huh?
As we noted many a time this off-season, statistically even with Bosh, Andrea got a great amount of touches last season and had a pretty high usage rate. I'm not sure where this huge increase in offensive opportunities is going to come from, and it scares me to think about him doing more "expressing" on the court.
Colangelo also emphasized Andrea's great off-season, especially in terms of being the leader on his national team and spending more time in the post. From the clips we saw this summer, he did indeed look more comfortable down low, which is great, but it's still a bit of a "wait and see" scenario in terms of how much he applies this to his NBA game.
The thing is, as negative as this post sounds to this point, I actually came away from yesterday's session encouraged, unlike most of my media counterparts.
Do I think Colangelo screwed things up royally over the past two seasons regarding numerous transactions?
Definitely.
And do I think this team is in for a rocky time this season?
Yep.
However this is the season this team needed two years ago I'd argue. The blinders are now off, and there's no defending certain acquisitions any more. Bryan Colangelo loves to focus on what could have been, even going so far yesterday as reaffirming his belief that last year's squad was a "50 win team" based on the talent he had assembled, but he won't be able to do that this time around.
If this team wins 25 matches all season, that's all she wrote.
If Andrea fails to get to the 8 rebound mark or fails to significantly advance his overall game without Bosh hanging around, there she be.
And with second year being almost always the point in which we see future NBA wingmen studs take off, all eyes will be on DeRozan, and even Sonny Weems considering this in many ways is his sophomore swing at the bat.
So I'll let most of the other Toronto press print the obituaries this morning. (Especially incorrect ones like this - sorry Jeff but Bryan was talking about Kleiza's performance at the World's, not DeRozan's in Vegas.)
I think we'll see a club next year that will at least be entertaining, and I'm excited to see just what tricks Jay Triano has up his sleeve. I was pretty down on him as an NBA bench-boss by the end of last season, but talking to him yesterday I got the feeling that he's grown by leaps and bounds thanks to both last season and the off-season experience of working with the likes of Coach K and Nate MacMillan with Team USA.
Whether that will mean a team that wins 30 games as opposed to 25 is yet to be seen but Triano and co. are enjoying playing the underdog role. I asked Jay if he felt the pressure on him was lessened this season now that the Bosh situation had been resolved, Hedo had moved on, etc, and while his statement of "never feeling the pressure" was a bit ridiculous, he went on at length about how the team would use the critics' views as motivation this season and therefore they were one of the teams with the least amount of pressure or expectations placed on them.
Colangelo even likened this season to his first year here in Toronto when the team was supposed to finish 12th in the East. Yet they not only had a top five playoff ranking but won their division.
Most importantly though, this season represents a "fresh approach," both from coaches and management and let's hope that's true.
"The worst thing that could have happened is us coming back to camp with the same miserable faces" said Colangelo, "and having lost Chris Bosh and being in an unknown there because now you're talking about having some pretty expensive hand-cuffs on."
"Now we're talking about a newness, there's a bright light out there, there's some good, young, enthusiastic talent that's ready to take the court, and I think the one thing we can promise is, without a star-centric system, there's no one to defer to."
He's right.
It's just too bad this "fresh start" didn't occur two seasons earlier...
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(Especially incorrect ones like this – sorry Jeff but Bryan was talking about Kleiza’s performance at the World’s, not DeRozan’s in Vegas.)
Actually, he said it about both of them. Just watched the video before coming here, and he says it about both of them at around the same time.
by dhackett1565 on Sep 28, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know, just relistened and it’s a bit ambiguous, but when I was standing there with BC he seemed to be talking Kleiza at the Worlds before switching right away to DeMar.
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by Adam Francis on Sep 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
On the Raptors.com BC interview video:
http://www.nba.com/raptors/video/originals/index.html
At 3:32 he says Kleiza was top 5 out of 300 at world’s.
At 5:28 he says DD was top 5 out of 300 at summer league.
by dhackett1565 on Sep 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually...
I have to say that I am really-really excited about this year. It reminds me of a few years back when the Blue Jays finally started to give their no-names some playing time. What I mean is that the shadow of Bosh no longer dominates this team. Which I think should have been ended 2 years ago (as you hinted at above). The team was drowning in its poster-boy, and although he was a great player.. where did he take us? Even if this year we only win 20 games does not derail the fact that there will be growth and hopefully some very entertaining moments. There is a lot of enjoyment being able to watch young and under-valued players have a chance to try and prove themselves… and if we get even 5-6 of these guys putting it all out there each and every night, then win or lose this will be a fun team to watch. Re-building opens up the new door of possibility and future. Sure the band-wagon hoppers will hate it… but true fans know to sit tight, watch and yes pray something unexpected and promising happens. I will choose to believe that something will… eventually. As for BC.. really with Bosh gone this is finally his chance to put a 100% BC team together. Yes he messed up royally the last two years, we all knew as soon as Turk was signed it was a mistake… but maybe he knew it was too but went through with it to speed-up the process of getting Bosh off this team without all the blame falling on his shoulders (and yes Bosh did it himself too). Of course we will never know.. but what if it were true.. lol. Sounds crazy, but hey these superstar players of today are living in an insanely crazy and mostly childish rich-rich world. Deservedly or not. But you have to agree it is not right seeing BC waling around with a scowl on his mug all the time… even his shirts aren’t looking like they are pressed properly. C’mon BC pick yourself up man! You messed up, we all saw it… time to dust yourself off and choose a blue-collar shirt and right this thing. Cheers
ALL I KNOW IS...
that im getting really sick of seeing pictures and articles about Bosh…hes not a raptor, and yet this is supposed to be raptors HQ…so lets talk about people actually in the Raptor Organization. Who cares about last year, were a completely different team now
I agree. But it was definitely a theme that the scrums absolutely wanted everyone to keep asking about, so with the way things were set up, we got a lot of Bosh talk. In our own one on ones that we had to go out and grab, we managed to focus our talks on other areas, which came out with a much more unique slant on things.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Sep 28, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
BC
MActually, BC has no choice but to be postive. At least he’s not like Rob Babcock basixcally saying his team sucks.
by Jeffrey Thompson on Sep 28, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
True enough, though you can really tell when BC has his “spin doctor” routine up and when it’s not up. It’s interesting to hear him talk about how unhappy the locker room was last year after basically telling everyone things were fine for a long time…
However, in my opinion, I think these are areas which BC has lost the public confidence. I think Canadians are much more appreciative of some truth here and there rather than the constant spin that we get at times from BC. For me personally, it drives me a little nuts as I know he’s not that blind to things, but to hear things that come out of his mouth at times, it’s like someone has to hold his feet to the fire when he spins things like that.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Sep 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
My question is, if things were bad early on, why didn’t he spin it so that Bosh looked like the bad guy in the media, giving him a pretext to blow it up before the trade deadline? Perhaps he really did just completely get it wrong on what would be available in the summer.
by RaptorsAddict on Sep 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
To be Fair
I do think that Colangelo was trying to be positive about things during that time. I don’t think he expected Bosh to go down with two separate injuries right after the trade deadline and I’m not sure he had a good inkling that Bosh had maybe conspired to go with Wade and LeBron. You can argue whether Colangelo should have been smarter than that, but it’s always hard to tell what’s in the heart of an athlete.
And while I think a lot of people took Colangelo’s statement about “can you imagine what it’d be like if we had the same unhappy faces around” to include Bosh, I think he was entirely thinking about Turkoglu. Bosh might have been unhappy, but I believe it had more to do with the fact that the Raptors never seemed to be making those steps forward that everyone kept promising.
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Sep 28, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, though I do not like the idea of blaming Bosh for not winning 50 games. If that had been the case and Bosh had been dragging this team down with his play, why did the team suck even worse when he went down to injury? Shouldn’t they have started winning and playing better with a more even flow instead of the crust we got from them with Bosh out?
I agree with BC
First day… doom and gloom. Reading all the articles today, no wonder Bosh is now in South Beach.
Brian’s comment to the Sun’s Steve Simmons was correct. Day 1 and you have thrown in the towel? I would bar the Sun from the ACC. Lets keep our heads up. Write something positive! We have bitched all summer, should be out of our system.
Past is the past. This is our team going forward. Quit rehashing. Yes we will probably take our lumps, but lets wait until we start losing before we start dumping on them.
To the writers at HQ- Let the names of Chris Bosh and Hedo Turkoglu be stricken from the record.
Trust me, I don’t want to write about how bad this team is for the entire season. So yeah, I’m feeling a bit more confident about a couple things, but I’m not ready to put money down like some of our readers are :)
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
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by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Sep 28, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The 50 Win Question
The talent was there to win 50. If the talent had performed as expected. Wasn’t sure about the coaching last year but I will give Jay some leeway, especially with PJ now on board. It will be interesting to watch the dynamic of the staff.
Andrea
Someone with knowledge of the situation told me just recently that Bargs is so much a creature of habit that he eats at the same place and orders the same meal almost like clockwork each time he’s in town. Bargs has also mentioned about himself how much he is one to do as the coach ask, and how well he responds to a strict regimen. It is not inconceivable that with a tough nut like PJ barking the occasional order at him and his own perceptions of his role within the team changing to that of primary player, that we could see significant improvement to performance.
Kleiza is better than Turkoglu and may experience a career renaissance not disimilar from Anthony Parker’s return to the league.
If Barbosa is Barbosa of old, as in instant offence, he should add to the overall team play.
What if Amir Johnson experiences an Andre Blatche type year, where the potential is finally realized.
People are going to rip some of the above points but let me offer an idea of how I see things so that there is at least some understanding of why I take the view I take on the potential of this team this year.
For the most part, the overall talent of players is very close if not equal at this level. I would argue that the drop off between a Jose Calderon and a Marcus Banks isn’t as significant as some would want to believe, it’s just that we have been subject to conditioning and the NBA has emphasized a star system at the detriment of a team system and so a team without a “star” is seen as severely lacking — until they start winning at which point someone is anointed a "star.’ This also has something to do with justifying why certain players are paid so much in comparison to other players. Of course, there are exceptions, outliers on both ends of the spectrum, but I would classify 95% of NBA calibre talent as close to equal. We as fans, just aren’t exposed to that talent in the right context to appreciate just how good some of these players are or can be.
Here’s the other reason for that besides the star system:
There is great disparity in coaching in this league. The talent amongst staffs differ significantly. The best staffs win, the worst ones don’t.
Okay, rip away.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
Agreed, your very optimistic projections combined with everyone having career years will get the Raps to 50 wins.
But your boxed quote doesn’t make much sense if you’re trying to build a contender (a term which broadly encompasses teams that win 50+ games). You say the Raptors have the talent to win 50, but then say that most of their players are interchangable. Simply put, how can a team full of interchangable players hope to be appreciably better than any other team full of interchangable players?
Primarily, players are what drive win totals and coaching to a lesser extent. This explains why Avery Johnson went jobless for about 2 years after he coached one of the best regular season teams in recent history.
Coaching has a much lower impact in the NBA then any other professional sports league. Its easy to win 40 + games if you have Kobe Bryant. It is easy to win 50 if you have Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol. Coaching comes into to play more during the playoffs then it does during the regular season because teams are able to focus on one opponent for 7 games. During the regular season they can only lightly scout teams because of how often they play different teams so it comes down to talent pure and simple.
Andrea - Kleiza - Barbosa - Amir
We may not see all 4 of these players hit their peaks, but if you add Weems & DeRozan to the fold (of players attempting to reach new heights), this team should be more than its’ given credit for.
If our expectations of success, are to see most of these players show strong improvement, then it’s only logical to assume that this will translate favourable to the Scoreboard. To me, having a number of the stars align, should mean more wins. Maybe not enough to reach the play-offs – that will involve some luck – but enough to show up these dire predictions floating around out there.
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I’m inclined to believe, that if we want our expectations to be fulfilled, then this team should not be seen anywhere near the bottom of the pile, as the “experts” are rather happy to state …. the postmortem already being written.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Sep 29, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Further, the respect given to teams with an established or developing star is legitimate.
Take this simple case of two teams with 5 players each rated 1-5.
1 – bench player, 2 – role player, 3 – average starter, 4 – good starter, 5 – star
Team A – 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 = 15
Team B – 1, 1, 3, 5, 5 = 15
So we’ve got two teams which over the year will get equal contributions out of their rosters in the current year. The only difference is that Team A has average starters, while Team B has two awful starters and two stars.
Which team will have the easier route to success in the following season? Team B.
Suppose you have a “contender” at 18+ points. Team A can easily go from 15 points to 19 points in the offseason by replacing its weak links with average starters. But team B requires a much more difficult upgrade to keep pace – the addition of 2 stars, 1 star and 2 good starters, or 4 good starters to replace the current average starters.
I feel like we’re more on the track of Team B than Team A. I don’t get the anti-star sentiment, just because our stars keep leaving. Sure we can win 40 without them, but we can only with 50-60 with them. Me, I want us to be winning 50+.
Replace that with
Team A – 1, 1, 3, 5, 5 = 15
Team B – 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 = 15
Worst Season Ever
If they win 20 it will be a miracle. The only reason Bargs ever scores is because of the spacing due to double-teams or at least defenses focused on stopping Bosh. Who the hell is going to score for this team? Jack? DeRozan? Kleiza? We are in big trouble . . .
but . . .
The 1st overall pick is a virtual LOCK, and the 2011 draft is supposed to be a good one, and I’d love to see the HQ ignore the 2010-11 season, which is going to be a snoozefest all year lon,g and focus on what really matters: the 2011 Draft!!! Only 268 days left until something good happens in Raptorland.
The 1st overall pick is a virtual LOCK
You are aware that in the last 25 years in which there has been a draft lottery, only twice has the worst team won the #1 pick. (I’m assuming that you are predicting the Raptors to be the worst team in the NBA.)
Additionally, the CBA is up at the end of this season, so who knows what that will do to the lottery. Knowing the Raptors generally bad luck, they’ll get screwed in some way by the new CBA.
Thanks RHQ
I like to pass on my appreciation to you guys every now and then. The site is enjoyable to read and the work you guys put in really stands out at this time of year. I am looking forward to the individual interviews that you did. Great stuff!
Hey, it’s no problem and our absolute pleasure. I kinda liked how we had to think a bit more about how to get those special interviews because that way, we could get private time with some people.
I hope everyone likes the high def videos though. It’s taken hours to upload it
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