Triano: Bosh Was Not a Leader in the Locker Room
The HQ gives some thoughts on Jay Triano's talk yesterday with Eric Smith on the Fan 590...
For those who missed it, Toronto Raptors' Head Coach Jay Triano appeared on the Fan590 Sports Radio yesterday to talk all things ball; from the Raps to his performance as an assistant coach with Team USA.
It's an interesting listen from various perspectives and I urge everyone to check it out.
I won't go into a full breakdown but I wanted to highlight a few points for discussion.
The biggest piece that stuck out to me, and probably to many others, was Triano admission that Bosh was never a real leader for the club. From the interview:
"When you talk about Chris being the leader in the lockeroom, I think it's the one thing that he wasn't for us. He did a great job of getting 24 points and 10, 11 rebounds on a regular basis, but Chris did not really take the leadership role into the locker room. He's not a vocal person, he's not a guy who really did that. I think in the years that he's been here, he's almost deferred to different people: Jermaine O'Neal, Jalen Rose, and Vince Carter in his earlier years, didn't really defer to anyone last year and everybody kind of waited for him to take the reigns last year and it could've been been part of the issues we had."
I think there's a couple ways you can look at this.
First, at face value it echoes something that many of us had been concerned with for a long time; the team lacked an identity and Chris Bosh on his own wasn't the type to lead in forming one.
Second though, I think this is almost a good news story for the upcoming season in that it's not like the Raptors lost a KG-type from a leadership perspective. Sure Bosh's stats will be missed, but it sounds like off the court and in the locker room, his presence was a bit of a non-factor and so the team can carry on with a Jack or Kleiza (both players Triano alludes to as potential leaders this coming season) without missing a beat leadership-wise. For a young team like this I'd argue that's extremely important.
And I also think Triano's comments makes sense.
For years we've argued that regardless of Bosh's on-court talent, he wasn't the Kobe or Lebron type off the court and in the locker room either, and so no matter how many points he scored or rebounds he hauled in, he was always going to need some "help" in taking his team to the next level.
That doesn't mean suddenly that this team isn't going to miss him at all now that Jay's said these things, but in some ways it lessens the blow as he was never helping to mould the young guns the way others like Jack, who are still with the team, were.
The next most interesting piece of the Triano talk for me was his take on the team this year, particularly in regards to how they'll play. Jay noted that the club is more athletic (slightly?) and instead of "always protecting the paint," the club is going to try and force turnovers and score in transition, and thus like Team USA, get a good chunk of their offence from defensive pressure.
Makes sense.
Only...I wish someone had called in to ask Jay why the team didn't do this LAST YEAR considering the "athletic players" are pretty much the same this year as last.
In that conversation came my favourite quotes from the interview too actually.
Triano noted that "in Chris we lose a good defender" and in losing Hedo we lose a guy "who didn't pay a whole lot of attention at the defensive end".
That killed me.
Again, why did the Raptors ever think that Hedo signing was going to work? It must have been pretty obvious from Day 1 that getting Turk to buy into the team concept, especially on D, was going to be rough.
Other than that, the interview was filled with a lot of PR-ish type responses (Jay avoided getting into the whole "Bosh shutting it down near the end of the season" thing) although he did make one completely idiotic comment regarding Team USA beating Russia and Israel on certain anniversaries. I won't go into it but when you hear the part you'll know and probably wonder if he's been spending too much time south of the border.
One other note on everyone's favourite subject of discussion on the site, Andrea Bargnani.
Triano noted Bargs is a "five defensively and a four offensively," which I'd agree with, and that he played a lot more of back-to-the-basket style with Italy this summer. I think from footage I've seen that's probably the case, and it sounds like Andrea is bigger and stronger based on the Raptors' assistant coaches' reports.
The one thing I wish Triano got into more is how he foresees Toronto's offence and player rotation working out.
I know some of this won't be answered until after training camp, or later into the season, but some idea of what types of sets he wants the Raptors to run and how he envisions offensive roles for the likes of Kleiza and DeRozan would have been interesting.
Then again, considering I'll get to see him on Monday afternoon, maybe those are questions I'll have to ask myself.
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I too enjoyed the interview
I do think that the level of athleticism will be significantly improved. If you look at it position by position, they improve everywhere except at the point (unchanged).
At the 5 – slight improvement – we still have Bargnani who will be backed up by one of Dorsey, Alibi or Anderson who are all more athletic than Rasho.
At the 4 – slight improvement – yes we lose Bosh but it means more minutes for Amir. Davis is also quite athletic.
At the 3 – very improved – Kleiza may not be a super athlete but compared to Turk, he will look like one. Wright should also get lots of minutes here.
At the 2 – improved – more minutes for DD and time for Barbosa. Should see less of Jack and Jose on the court at the same time.
At the 1 – unchanged
More athletic at the 4?
ummm… I agree that Bosh wasn’t a high-flier, but he is pretty coordinated compared to Amir/Davis/whoever.
While Bosh is way more skilled, but I don’t think you can say he is more athletic. Particularly when compared to Amir. There are few big men as athletic as Johnson.
What is your point though? There are plenty of guys who would be upper tier NBA athletes who cannot stick on an NBA roster. Being more athletic is not an important goal unless it coincides with improving the basketball team. We’re not putting together a track and field squad.
As Franchise says, we already had the key athletes last year in DD, Weems, Amir.
Defense
Only…I wish someone had called in to ask Jay why the team didn’t do this LAST YEAR considering the “athletic players” are pretty much the same this year as last.
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It seems to me that the Raptors starting unit last season did not consist of the players who could play that way on defense. Whereas their forecasted starting unit in 10-11 has the players that can play that type of defense with a lot more success.
1. Turk is not the type of player that you can use effectrively in an aggressive defense
2. Neither is Bosh with his bad knees
3. Kleiza is more mobile and even quicker than Turk
4. Johnson is a lot more mobile and immensely quicker than Bosh
5. Carelesimo is known for impletmenting this type of defense starting with his college days. Ivaroni being a slow big guy in his career was more comfortable as a defensive coach in playing the type of passive defense that the Raptors played last season
Consider your question answered
Here’s the frustrating thing though. Early in the season it was quite evident that guys like Turk and DeRozan weren’t cutting it on D, and yet Jay continued to roll them out. I’d argue that had Triano gone with more Amir and Weems early, especially Weems as a starter, they WOULD have had those types in place to make the defense more “sticky.”
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by Adam Francis on Sep 26, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Team
Triano never mentioned Israel.
Team USA has never ever played Team Israel
Wow, did I ever screw that up – meant to write “an Islamic country” (based on Triano’s comments of playing on the anniversary of 911.)
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by Adam Francis on Sep 25, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Offense and Sets
It is pretty obvious what type of offense they will run in 10-11
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1. 10-11 – A lot of motion and sharing the ball,
2. 10-11 – A lot more Pick and Roll, Cut and Transition plays and a lot less of the dumb and ineffecient dreaded ISO play. The dreaded ISO which the Raptors used a lot of last season with Bosh and Turk will go by the boards.
In looking at the Points per Possesssion on Synergy Sports play breakdown analysis it is obvious that the dreaded and boring ISO is by far across the league the least efficient play in producing Points per Possession.
This along with the Post Up play were Bosh’s two favorite plays. Johnson scored most of his points off of Post-Ups, Put Backs, Transisiton, Cuts and Pick and Rolls with a fairly even distibution among the five type of plays. Thank G-d Johnson has not yet been corrupted with running the dreaded and boring ISO play. I hope for his sake, the Raptors sake and his fans sake it stays that way.
Not sure if you saw but we discussed this in detail a few weeks ago, comparing the offensive moves from Bosh, Bargs and Amir via Synergy.
http://www.raptorshq.com/2010/9/14/1682431/missing-chris-bosh-part-iii-a-bosh
The Iso was Bosh’s bread and butter after posting up, so the hope indeed is that with him gone things are a lot more fluid this year, with less “standing around and waiting for Bosh to make his move.”
The problem though, is that with no great iso options anymore, the opposite could occur, where the ball moves, moves, moves…uh oh, 3 on the clock…and someone is forced to jack up a bad shot.
Shades of Kevin O’Neill where Jalen Rose often was the “jacker.”
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by Adam Francis on Sep 26, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The main thing about ISO though is you need a player who can create his own shot (for the most part) or can command a double team and pass to the open man, something I do not think this team really has. AB might draw double teams on any given night but realistically, if I was an opposing coach, I would dare AB to beat me by scoring 60 points. I am not sure if he is capable of doing that right now and until he shows he can I will continue to feel that way.
5-4?
It’s funny to hear Triano look at Bargs as a 5 on D, and a 4 on offense, because I’ve always thought of Bargs’ offensive game as closer to that of a 2! than a 4.
Think about how he loves to trail and hit the deep 3, float at the perimeter, his drives in the lane, etc. Interestingly if you plug his numbers into the Win score calculation as a shooting guard he becomes above average. His rebounding weaknesses as a 5 and his shooting effeciency all improve markedly when you compare him to other perimeter players.
Unfortunately we tend to insist that big men play the big-man game; lots of dunks, rebounds, and high efficiency put backs – which is tough to achieve when you are cruising around the 3 point line looking for an open shot, instead of banging in the paint with the rest of the leviathans.
by CamHilton on Sep 25, 2010 1:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Triano’s comments on Bosh’s leadership reminds me of something Sam Mitchell said about Bosh being ‘anything but like KG’. I thought at the time leadership wasn’t a big issue, but now look back and wonder. Especially this year… didn’t it seem like these guys were having a little too much fun on the bench? It was pretty much always when things were going well, but still, could go hand in hand with a general lack of intensity we saw last year.
Forgot about that comment, interesting point. You have to wonder too if Mitchell didn’t serve as that defacto leader, something the team missed under Jay, who seemed to be an “everyone’s friend” type coach. Maybe he’ll stiffen up this year, but in any event, it would have been nice to see BC get a truly experienced vet who knows how to win to mould the “young gunz.”
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by Adam Francis on Sep 26, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is those guys typically do not want to play on a team like this (at least at this stage of their development) and getting someone like that to come here would require overpaying them (big contract with a long length) and would hurt the franchise in the long run. Maybe he can swing something but I am not holding my breath.



























