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Bryan Colangelo's Expectations

The HQ takes a look at the upcoming season from GM's perspective, and wonders what he will consider a successful campaign...

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As mentioned on Tuesday, next week officially kicks off the 2010-11 NBA season for us as the Toronto Raptors will hold their annual media gala on the 27th.  

It's a bit of a zoo as reporters from the Globe and Mail to Global News are on the scene, looking for a chance to talk with the players and coaches, many of them for the first time.

For me, the highlight is always talking to Bryan Colangelo though.

If you've ever had a chance to talk to BC, you know why.  He's extremely charismatic, slightly intimidating, and above all else, has this hypnotic way of convincing you that whatever he believes in, is the best way to do things.

Take for instance Media Day the year of the Kapono free-agent signing.

Colangelo told a gaggle of us that the reason they got Kap-One was to spread the floor, and he felt that would be more powerful than simply adding a player who could defend or rebound (both big needs at the time.)  In fact, he continued with this logic saying something to the effect of:

"...Jason gives us another dead-eye shooter so with guys like him, Parker and Calderon knocking down open looks, there are less misses, and therefore less rebounds needing to be hauled in..."

...to which all of us in the press nodded in unison while exclaiming "oooh," "aaaah" like the Smurfs.

Of course we panned this logic shortly afterwards but at the time, Bryan really had you believing he was on to something.

As the years have gone on however, I've managed to break free more and more from his hypnotic grasp, last year even going so far as noting that perhaps Sonny Weems was a player who shouldn't simply be considered a "throw-in" with the Amir Johnson deal.

This year though it's going to be very interesting.

In previous years, whether you could escape the Colangelo lure or not, there was a chance his prognostications would come true.  On paper, a healthy and slimmed down Jermaine O'Neal seemed like a great fit next to Chris Bosh, and even last year, despite my pessimism, it was quite possible that the additions of guys like DeRozan, Belinelli, Evans and even Hedo would get this team out of the first round of the playoffs.

Now...well...I'm not sure what he's going to say.

Remember, this is the man who when talking to the media at the end of the season, railed against a "doom and gloom" view of the team that seemed to exist looking at the team's future.  He was still quite confident he would get a solid asset for Chris Bosh if Bosh left, and viewed Hedo as an important part next year, one that would be happier and a bigger feature in the offense.

Since then, essentially the opposite of everything he's spoken of has come to fruition; Hedo lambasted the team publicly and was dealt, Bosh not only left, but painted the Raps into a corner and left them with very little to help replace him next season, and there was a myriad of other unfortunate happenings, from the injuries to Jose Calderon and Ed Davis to the departure of coaches and front office execs.

Will we get the PR speal on Monday then?

I'm guessing we will, but I'm wondering if this is the first time we'll hear a somewhat toned down version and some truth regarding Colangelo's expectations.

I mean, he can't possibly believe this squad is guaranteed playoff material can he?

Sure, it's the East, and anything can happen, but will this be the year we hear a more Babcockian version of BC, one that notes what a "challenge" the season will be?

I'm hoping so.

That being said, it will be a bit frustrating for me to hear it considering his decisions over the past few seasons are the reason this upcoming year in Raptorland will such a challenge, and I know I'll have a tough time not bringing this up.

But I certainly will be asking just what his expectations are of this club, and this is not just limited to numbers of wins (always a media favourite) or playoff talk.  I also want to know his expectations of individual players, especially Andrea Bargnani, and the coaching staff.  I mean, if this team is sitting at only 10 wins by Christmas time, is Jay Triano's job in jeopardy?  From my perspective, a lack of talent, cohesion and several possible injury issues (Jose and Ed namely) would make it hard to simply say "Jay, you're done," especially since it appeared Triano did a sub-par job last season but was retained.  

But if BC expects this team to be a playoff contender, then who knows?

More than anything though, I'm curious to see what sort of demeanor Colangelo will have when dealing with questions of this ilk.  He got a bit snappy with myself and a few others at the end of last season when we inquired about his "plan" for the team, so will he be ready now to face what looks like the reality that this team will struggle?

I guess we'll find out on Monday afternoon...

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I would be shocked if Colangelo pulls a “Babcockian version” of expectations, at least in terms of # wins and making the playoffs. At the same time, there will be no bold predictions on anything quantitative this year. Colangelo himself claims that rebuilding is not in his vocabulary and doing everything possible to win as many games is the only way he knows how to GM. He has to say this, not only for his own reputation leaguewide, but also because the board wants to sell as many season tickets as possible and at least not remove any hope, even if we all know there is none this year, in terms of being in the playoff hunt.

I really hope that you continue to challenge Colangelo on revealing what his goals are, because he does have them, but will choose not to divulge them publically, for the reasons mentioned above.

I wish he would say player development, teaching team defense, cultivating a work ethic, and for me, most importantly, losing enough games to have a chance at a top lottery pick, but I know that is wishful thinking.

by briangerstein.com on Sep 23, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

We place way too much emphasis on what he says

Of course he is going to say Hedo will play a bigger role this year. Saying otherwise would have affected our ability to trade him. Of course he is not going to say we are in full rebuild mode…saying you will be competitive helps sell tickets.

He shouldn’t have to lay out his plan for his…no GM does. Besides, it should be pretty clear what he is trying to do. He is committed to rebuilding by getting younger (Wright, Kleiza, Alabi, Davis), and more athletic while maintaining financial flexibility (TPE’s and ending contracts). He will ensure the young guys get playing time (see Derozan last year) for the sake of development even if it costs us a few games….but what does publicly proclaiming that do other than pissing off MLSE.

by cmrm123 on Sep 23, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

But in past years he’s really worn rose coloured glasses in relation to the team. Of course he’ll put a positive spin on things, that’s a given – but are we talking about a GM who on Monday tells us that the team is playoff bound?

That’s what I’m wondering – just how coloured will his glasses be.

I’d also love to know what he really thinks of everything that’s transpired, so I’m going to try and spend some extra time with him to see just what I can dig up. BC loves to talk, so perhaps we find out a few nuggets…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Sep 23, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess my point is that I don’t care what colour his glasses are. If he talks about playoffs and 50 win seasons but is actions suggest a rebuild….which they clearly do, then I’m ok. If on the other hand he starts bringing in older players with less upside but longer contracts to squeeze a few extra wins…then I have a problem. All GM’s spin…its just that BC is smoother than most at it.

by cmrm123 on Sep 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

+900!

I’ve often stated that what he says can’t be viewed as gospel. His objectives with respect to public statements are twofold.
1. Instill organizational confidence in the players on hand, establishing a baseline of expectation that they inherently work toward achieving.
2. Leave himself in a position to improve the team by trading assets for whom he has helped shape public perception. Saying a guy is a good player who didn’t ‘fit’ the system is better for bargaining than saying a guy is a lazy malcontent loafer.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Sep 23, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but I and most wouldn’t care what he said if his moves were working out. We are already capable of projecting what our players are generally capable of.

BC setting a high bar and worming his way under it is a little ridiculous, no?

by bigweeze on Sep 24, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure?

I would say the casual fans just don’t pay close enough attention to realize that BC spins everything, all the time.

I would say, if he says that he expects the team to compete for a playoff spot this year (along with the obvious: young, exciting team…), he is only saying so in the hopes of improving ticket sales. The key for a rebuild is to do so without losing fans or too much money in the process, or upper management may demand a competitive team sooner, via veteran signings – which I don’t doubt BC would be happy to provide – but would not be good for the team in the long run.

So, while his comments may set up the fans for eventual disappointment, any boost in season tickets or even early season single-game sales is well worth the effort of him pulling out a blame card later in the season.

by dhackett1565 on Sep 24, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s true, I meant most of us not most of Toronto.

The offseason is important because casual sports fans seem to forget and believe a whole new set of lies each year. And if they do remember the GM’s lies, he can always be replaced the next year.

by bigweeze on Sep 24, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d also love to know what he really thinks of everything that’s transpired

by renato on Sep 23, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant:

I’d also love to know what he really thinks of everything that’s transpired

by renato on Sep 23, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exciting young team

I expect him to talk about what an “exciting young team” the Raptors will be this year. Rather than talking wins and playoffs I imagine he will put the emphasis on “excitement” and “flexibility” (both financial and in terms of line-up combinations).

by DW19 on Sep 23, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing – “exciting, young, team” is the catch-phrase of the season for sure.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Sep 23, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

We put more emphasis on what he actually does. But when the words coming out of his mouth don’t match what is happening in reality, it makes it look worse.

by PNUTZ on Sep 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed...but memories are short

If (or should I say when) we fall short of expectations, but young guys show real positive development, its not hard to predict the positive yearend spin we will get.

by cmrm123 on Sep 23, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Expectations

but young guys show real positive development.

Isn’t that what we really want?
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by RapthoseLeafs on Sep 23, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

That is absolutely what I am looking for this year. My point about expectations is the concern being expressed by some that BC will set expectations too high. My point is I don’t care what spin he presents…I’m only concerned with the basketball moves he makes. We’ve wasted the last few years but I like the direction the team is now headed in.

by cmrm123 on Sep 23, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Questions I would LOVE to have answered:

Will BC admit the Raptors are embarking on another rebuilding era?

Will he admit that the Hedo Turkaglu signing – panned by a majority of pundits, media and even his peers (bordering on general consensus) – was a mistake?

When he uses the TPE, will he be looking for wins now, or wins later? Meaning, will the TPE be used to fully engage the rebuilding process (i.e. utilized in some way to garner picks or young talent) or to get a veteran with a bloated contract that may add 5 more wins to the win total this season?

What did he mean whit his comments in the Fan 590 interview this summer, where he stated that despite matching Bosh with different pieces it never really worked? Was he insinuating that he acquired enough talent to surround Bosh to contend? Someone (with some testicular fortitude) has to hold his feet to the fire on this one. There is no way one can argue that Bosh was surrounded with the right talent to be successful in BC’s tenure. The fan base deserves to hear BC pressed on this. Who were these great Robins to Bosh’s Batman? A washed up Jermaine O’Neil? Hedo Turkaglu? Anthony Parker? Jason Kapono?

How would BC himself grade his overall performance over his tenure with the club?

Are there any lessons learned over the last 4 years that can be applied to the rebuilding process? (I hope that he has learned that you cannot build a contender with a foundation of jump-shooting and no defense and rebounding, but that’s just me).

by MAS11 on Sep 23, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

What you want to hear Colangelo say is, “I am so sorry everyone, I was wrong and MAS11 was right.”

I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting.

by DW19 on Sep 23, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would at least be a step in the right direction ; )

And the answers are not the important thing as BC would probably just tap dance. The important thing is someone (ANYONE) from the “media” to hold the team’s GM accountable. You know like, um, journalism or something…

by MAS11 on Sep 23, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say that the alternative media(blogs, etc) does an excellent job of covering the team and holding Colangelo to account. Look at the roasting he has taken on this site all summer. If you are hoping for the mainstream journalists to follow suit, that is pretty unlikely.

I don’t think accountability is so much what I am looking for from Colangelo. What I want to see are signs that he is committed to a rebuilding strategy and that he is not going to sacrifice the long term for a few wins in the short term.

by DW19 on Sep 23, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I could get roasted for 4m annually I would happily be burnt to a crisp.

by bigweeze on Sep 24, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, me too. What’s your point?

by DW19 on Sep 24, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you a GM that can lead a re-building process?

Since he’s basically known as the guy who paired Nash w/ Amare and Marion, what can he point to that would make any of us believe he can re-build a team?

by B.C. on Sep 23, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

He also paired Bosh with Bargnani. Then Hedo with those two who were also a bad pair.

His time in Phoenix was very mixed. He hit big on those 3, Joe Johnson too. But there was a reason Phoenix was only really 6-7 deep every year in the playoffs.

Who else remembers him giving a free Luol Deng to the Bulls?

by bigweeze on Sep 24, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colangelo

He`s just gonna tell us what we already know Franchise: the Raptors suck. It`s gonna be a really nasty season. check out my raptors preview out now: http:ééjtshoopsblog.blogspot.com

by Jeffrey Thompson on Sep 23, 2010 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Colangelo's Raptors - What to do.

Will BC admit the Raptors are embarking on another rebuilding era?

Will he admit that the Hedo Turkaglu signing – panned by a majority of pundits, media and even his peers (bordering on general consensus) – was a mistake?

Why? What’s the point?

What did he mean whit [with] his comments in the Fan 590 interview …. where he stated that despite matching Bosh with different pieces it never really worked? ….. Who were these great Robins to Bosh’s Batman?

uhmm … I be more apt to call Bosh – Robin (and not the Bat).

Are there any lessons learned over the last 4 years that can be applied to the rebuilding process?

Yes. Don’t base your whole franchise on a Tier 2 player.
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I like that BC seems to be focusing on developing talent, and acquiring draft picks (4 – 1st round picks in total). We use to bitch that he traded them away. Now we’re so impatient, that we want to know how well they’re going to do, before they even start trying to do what we want.
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by RapthoseLeafs on Sep 23, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess we'll find out on Monday afternoon...

I fully expect to hear that he’s dismissed Triano and will replace him with Don Nelson, who immediately announces he’ll remake Bargnani into the next Dirk Nowitzki… (gag)

by DomoKun on Sep 23, 2010 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Who's better for the job?

Franchise,

I love the fact that your not afraid to ask the tough questions. But PLEASE, stop mentionning that Colangelo and Triano are to blame. We are still trying to find the right combination…hell 29 other teams are also trying to do so.
   Before you get rid of this GM can you name 1 that you KNOW would do a better job? Can you Name 1 coach available that has as much regards from USA basketball than Triano? Jay is Great for developping young players..ex bosh. Colangelo is a GREAT deal maker…we used to have GM’s that never made any trades or when they did it was with Detroit, NY ot NJ.
 Turn that frown upside down, real Fans never stops beleiving, and the Raptors org. never stop trying.

by Phenix Coach on Sep 24, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

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