Sunday Thought - Should MLSE Press the "Re-start" Button on the Raptors?
Deep thoughts continue this Sunday, as an email from a reader earlier this summer prompts Franchise to ponder the idea of an overhaul of the club's image and brand...
We've said it again and again but we've got the best readers out there. The summer can be a tedious time for basketball but between my mad-cap ideas and our readers insightful commentary, things just keep rolling along.
In particular, we've gotten a few great ideas for posts thanks to emails and even comments and today's "Sunday Thought" is spurred on by the former.
Earlier this summer, we received an email regarding the state of the franchise. Here are the key excerpts:
I figured you were the guys to appeal to for this. I think its time the Raptors died, I'm talking literal extinction and shunning from the collective consciousness here. I think the team, the fans, the city, and the management could benefit from a completely new slate.
Why doesn't the team change its name and look, blow up this roster and take on the role of an exspansion franchise?
We need to let them (management) know we want a "do-over" with this franchise. This "new team" should also be launched in a year we finally get the All Star game so the management can put on tons of parties and woo all the players with what a cool city we have here and finally dispel the myth that living in Toronto is like living in Alaska.
What you say? Toronto Towers, Toronto Ice, Toronto Ravens, anyone?
PS. We all know that stupid dinosaur logo has been lame for years. Even if we moved away and identified our Raptors as birds of prey that would be at least decent.
It's an interesting idea.
I've never been a fan of the "Raptors" piece myself, and I can remember being on PEI when the team name was announced, thinking "oh hope they mean the bird and not the dinosaur."
And considering the near removal of the Jurassic Park-inspired creature as a symbol from the team (really, the mascot is the last big piece of "Dinosaur related branding that's still quite prevalent), and the popularity of the "Huskies" retro look, maybe it's time to make like the Bullets and Sonics?
Of course this is no simple undertaking, but with the Bosh fiasco and potentially a fall-out from that which is felt over the next decade in terms of attracting and retaining players, is now not the time to start thinking about a wholesale face-lift?
This is a topic I'd like to blow out a bit more over the coming weeks, but today I wanted to generate some initial discussion around the idea. Should MLSE look to re-brand this team and attempt to start fresh? Working in branding and marketing in my 9-5 job, I know the challenges associated with such a task, but after seeing the Raptors finish 113th of out 122 professional sports teams this past year in ESPN Mag's annual pro-team "value" rankings, I don't think you can completely discount this idea.
And with the team looking to be firmly in "re-build mode" on the court, why not do the same off?
Is there a dire need to make wholesale changes?
Maybe not...but admittedly that old saying "there's no time like the present" seems quite applicable here.
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“The Huskies” was a no-bainer 15 years ago and I still love it. I mean, when you’re already considered an NBA oddity, why not link to the past when the Toronto Huskies were actually one of the NBA’s original teams! I always feel ashamed when I think of NBA announcers fighting to keep a straight face when announcing the Toronto RaptTORS… The naming of the Raptors was a timely marketing play, with little foresight and vision and now is just embarrasing…
I’m fine with that, as long as we don’t have any big guys (ie Oliver Miller) on a “Huskies” team. I may just lose it with laughter.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Sep 20, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
suggestions for names
Toronto Tornadoes, Toronto Terror , or maybe just switch the logo to the The raptor jet
by raptors_run_the_show on Sep 19, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions
Definitely an embarrassment
As someone who has honestly considered getting Raptor-related ink, I still voted for the re-do. And yes, Huskies is the only way to go. To me, it’s beyond a no-brainer – think of the potential benefits (and I definitely do not work in Franchise’s industry, so forgive my amateurishness):
1) Money, obviously. When you invent a better brand (which it would be almost impossible NOT to do in comparison to the Raps) you have a chance to completely re-invigorate revenues streams. Why else would teams have a 3rd jersey?
2) Brand cohesion for MLSE – the Huskies would have blue and white uniforms. Remind anyone of any other sports franchises owned by MLSE? Although, given what they did with TFC’s colors, perhaps they disagree.
3) Re-boot – the obvious way to end one bad era and start another, in the most literal way possible. And it’s as easy for us to do as any team in the league since it’s not like we’re leaving behind fond memories and championships – we’re leaving behind absolutely nothing but bad memories and incompetence (interspersed with brief, fleeting moments of mediocrity). Also allows the team to blow it up and trade themselves off as an expansion franchise (with the caveat that they already have 5 potential players who are young in Weems, Demar, Amir, Davis and Alabi). To me, that means jettisoning Jack, Kleiza, Calderon, etc. The reason you get rid of those guys is twofold – one, they’re too old, or more specifically, will be too old, when the time for winning arrives; and two, they might give you the unfortunate outcome of helping you actually win basketball games during your expansion phase, which is an absolute no-no as far as I am concerned. If you’re gonna rebuild, don’t do it half-assed. The middle-of-the-pack of the NBA is the desert as far as I"m concerned.
4). My tattoo will now be bigger, as I will certainly have to include some type of homage to our roots. Perhaps a giant dinosaur metamorphosing into a large, howling husky? I think I’ll take my inspiration from this beautiful Three Wolf Moon tattoo
Branding
Let’s play to what a lot of Americans think about Canada – The TORONTO SOCALISTS
HUSKIES!
It’s time. No more Raptors please. It’s embarrassing enough dancing around the nickname when you’re telling someone who your favourite team is. You always end up saying Toronto because Raptors makes you seem like a little child.
MLSE should see the brand change to the Huskies as it’s basketball franchise maturing into adulthood. The Raptors are only known as that team Vince Carter played for in his prime, not for anything they’ve done on the court. Plus MLSE does jersey changes for profit better than anyone.
Toronto Euros?
Toronto non-ESPN-watchers?
Toronto multi-culturals?
Toronto hockey-lovers?
Toronto passport-requirers?
Toronto Pension Plan Sports group?
Toronto Horseshoes? (golden horseshoe)
Toronto Roughriders? (since 1 of the CFL RR teams died, this should be available)
Or, maybe we pick some other trendy movie theme… destined to seem dated within a few years:
Toronto Hoggwarts?
Toronto Jonas Brothers?
Toronto Avatars?
Toronto X-Men? (the UofT campus was the X-Men campus after all)
Toronto
Let Me Repeat
If they really wanted to…
They could decide in the future to change the dinosaur to a bird and still call themselves the Raptors. Would sell a whole bunch of new merchandise and they could use the following tagline: "The evolution of a franchise."by HQ Interloper on Dec 7, 2009 7:07 PM PST reply
Obviously….
This “new team” should also be launched in a year we finally get the All Star game so the management can put on tons of parties and woo all the players with what a cool city we have here and finally dispel the myth that living in Toronto is like living in Alaska.
would be commercial suicide (because Toronto is already renowned amongst players for its parties so this would have little impact on perception) but I wouldn’t be opposed to a re-branding AS LONG AS IT’S NOT SIMPLY A MARKETING EXERCISE TO DISTRACT FROM THE ON THE COURT PRODUCT WHILE GENERATING REVENUES ON NEW MERCHANDISE SALES.
Hopefully the types of conversations that took place after the Bosh fiasco focused on a long-term philosophy and build strategy for a team facing the Raptors unique set of circumstances. Hopefully some of the following questions were posed and are on their way to being answered
1. How does this team win consistently, if the window of opportunity related to top ranked U.S. born drafted players lasts only for the duration of their first contract and
possible extension
2. Acknowledging that the talent gap between the U.S. and the rest of the world is shrinking and that everywhere but the U.S. is to remain a primary source of talent for the Raptors, what steps can be taken to gain an informational advantage over other teams and, more importantly, what character traits must be present in foreign born players to allow for a smoother/quicker path to high level play than has been realized thus far.
3. Is there ANY WAY this team can invest in Canadian Basketball, either from a financial or knowledge standpoint, such that more of the talent produced is eventually NBA STARTING caliber, and is there anyway to corner the market on Canadian talent that reaches this level?
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
Huskies for sure.
Huskies was a no-brainer from the start. Check out CB4himself on this wallpaper.
http://www.basketwallpapers.com/USA/Chris-Bosh/chris-bosh-toronto-huskies-wallpaper.php
Even he looks like a no-nonsense, tough-as-nails, tenacious defender in a Huskies uniform. (and he’s the RuPaul of big men)
Everything’s there; history, teamwork, a wolf-like predatory desire to achieve. It suits the great white north and espouses everything that’s cool about Canada. (Like the mountie’s dog in Due South)
It was that dimwit Isaiah Thomas that screwed it up. Time to give T.O. what it wants.
Huskies has always been the clear cut choice.
I don’t care, if they change the Raps name ONLY for marketing reasons without altering the product on the floor. That chage is overdue and would be positive regardless of the motivation behind it. Other names? Howabout the Toronto Metrics?
Walker McKenna
by Robert Archibald on Sep 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
Huskies!
I suggest we start refering to this team as the Huskies on this and every site on the internet, and in any conversation related to Toronto’s professional basketball team. Slowly, build a ground swell to a tipping point where everyone, by default refers to the team as the Huskies. Let’s force MLSE’s hand on this one!
toronto huskies?
sounds like a high school squad to me. i dont mind changing our name and turn this into a whole new team, but i dont mind the current name either, and i certainly dont get how the name raptors is embarrassing.
and lmao to the Toronto Jonas Brothers
Before the Toronto had a team, I dreamed of an NBA team called the Toronto Thunder. I guess that’s out, now.
When the Raptors name came out I was horrified. What an awful and short-sighted marketing gimmick that was. I’ve gotten used to it, but I’d still love it to be changed. I like the Huskies, although I question what the dance pack will be called.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
Probably still the ‘dance pack’ since groups of wolves or dogs are also ‘packs.’
by dhackett1565 on Sep 20, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as it’s not the “Husky Girls”. Although they could be sponsored by Weight Watchers.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
Reboot it!
Huskies is a no-brainer to me. And I think the colours should definitely be blue and white.
Toronto Towers was a name I always liked
How about;
The Toronto Big Smoke (mascot is a dragon. I was only mostly kidding about this one)
The Toronto Napoleon Complex (a certain French General)
Toronto Centers of the Universe (all black uni’s with a picture of the galaxy and a ‘you are here’ arrow pointing to our neighborhood in the Orion spiral arm)
Toronto Yeah and its a Damp Cold (mascot is a box of Kleenex)
huskies
I like Huskies the most. Raptors is a terrible franchise name. Terrible and I love the team.
or
Toronto Tropics (let’s get Tropical)
Toronto Towers
Toronto Rebels
Toronto T-Birds………..
So obviously Huskies would be best. Blue and white, and old school. Everybody wears a small black patch to remember the Raptors, but that is all that remains. The mascot is the only thing I will miss.
Argggggg. Toronto Huskies will not work as I stated near the beginning of the thread, the Timberwolves branding would cause confusion (the last the thing the NBA will do is embarrass itself by having two teams in the league with similar branding). However, if everyone insists on changing the Raptor branding then lets go all the way and do the whole NBA over while we are at it. it is not like the Raptors are the only team with irrelevant branding.
Team name now – New team name (additional choices)
Atlanta Hawks – Atlanta Menage-a-trois’
Charlotte Bobcats – Charlotte Wifebeaters, they can wear grease stained white t’s (Charlotte my sister is my cousin’s)
Cleveland Cavaliers (the irony of this name under the present circumstances is not lost on me). – Cleveland Sucks (Cleveland Crybabies)
Detroit Pistons – Detroit Welfare’s (Detroit Motor City Breakdowns)
Golden State Warriors – Golden State Weirdos (Golen State No D’s)
Indiana Pacers – Indiana No Blacks
Los Angeles Lakers – LA All-Stars
Los Angeles Clippers – LA No-Stars (Los Angeles Losers, Los Angeles Sterling Losers)
Miami Heat – Miami Hate
Memphis Grizzlies – Memphis Grizzly floor Showings (Memphis where the hell is Memphis’, Memphis Whose Crackhead Idea was it to put a team in Memphis’, Memphis Fed Ex’s)
Minnesota Timberwolves – Minnesota Kahn’s
New Jersey Nets – New Jersey Nyets, Brooklyn Nyets
New Orleans Hornets – New Orleans FEMA’s
New York Knickerbockers – New York Nutiowners
Oklahoma City Thunder – Oklahoma Zombie Sonics (okay not my idea but I like it, to prevent getting sued it came from the Sports Guy)
Philadelphia 76er’s – Philadelphia 76 points per games
Phoenix Suns – Phoenix Seven Seconds or Less’
Utah Jazz – Utah Saints (only real name change I would make)
Washington Wizards – Washington Bullets
Quite frankly, I am surprised at the amount of support for Huskies. I thought it was pretty lame back whenever it was we brought it back the first time. And the last thing this city needs is more losers dressed in blue.
Besides, our jerseys are actually pretty sharp now. We just need to find better players to wear them.
I think it's nonsense
Who cares, who cares and who cares…. If the team is winning they could be called the Flying Nancies. Comon would you prefer “The Jazz”, ohhh how about “The Pistons”, maybe “The Nuggets”, “The Nets!!??”. Look at our hockey team, “The Maple Leafs”, they could have named them the Dandilions and we would have liked it just as much by now. I mean comon they are named after a friggin leaf. The team name has absolutley nothing to do with the pride and nostalgia associated with the actual team and franchise. What the hell is a “laker” any way??!
Gots to agree
Rebrand, rename, re-organize, whatever, it won’t change the fact that we are owned by MLSE who don’t have a clue about building a successful franchise (Leafs, Raptors, TFC) but know how to sell out an arena (President is after all a marketer). And that Toronto fans like myself are suckers who will pay through the nose for garbage quality sports entertainment.
by raptor rabid on Sep 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Too late now
I’ve never been a fan of the name Raptors, but it’s not as bad as some (South Carolina Gamecocks anyone?) I think the move away from cartoonish toward “fierce” is probably for the best. Personally, I like the claw logo amongsth the current set of Raptor graphics. Also, I think moving away from the purple uniforms was a solid choice. Huskies would have probably been better, but I think you’ve got to stick with your choice.
Hmmm...
Just adding to the pile:
1. The Toronto JESUS….. (This blog could change its name to the A-men – great mascot and fan wear)
2. The Toronto SKUNK …. (Black uniform – Big White Stripes – great mascot)
3. The Toronto YETI ………. (we are indominatble)
4. The Toronto FREEDOM …(lest we forget the role this town played in the emancipation of folk from slavery)
5. or The Toronto UNDERGROUND RAILROAD …. because if we are considered to be inferior to US teams by the US, NBA and all that …then lets get in their face about it. I propose Chuck D as Bryan Colangelo’s replacement…..


























