Raptors' Sign Dupree Bringing Training Camp Roster to 16
The Ronald Dupree signing announced yesterday has the HQ scratching their collective heads a bit...
Like clockwork, every time I leave the city, something Raptors-related goes down.
It's almost uncanny.
Nova Scotia in August, Julian Wright ends up on the door-step.
PEI last summer, in come Amir Johnson and Sonny Weems.
And yesterday I left for Montreal literally minutes before receiving the email from the Raptors' PR folks regarding the signing of Dupri.
Of course, with only "Four Corners" holding down the DJ starting line-up, it made sense that the Raps would go after the former So So Def CEO.
Plus that whole Janet Jackson fiasco didn't work out so well, and neither have Bow Wow, Da Brat or...
...wait.
The Raptors' signed RONALD DUPREE?
Hmmm...that's weird.
I mean yeah, Dupree played well during Summer League and we actually thought there was a chance both he and Bobby Brown would find roster spots this season with the Dinos. But he's not exactly great in any one area, and is one of those well-tread NBA vets who's seen 154 games of NBA action with the likes of Minnesota, Detroit, Chicago and Seattle. Yep, the good ol' Sonics.
His best attribute might be his defense, he's a decent defender at the wing position, has some size (6-7, about 210), and showed some pretty solid athleticism in Vegas throwing down a few nasty dunks.
But didn't Toronto already cover these areas with the acquisition of Julian Wright?
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this signing now give the Raptors 16 players on their training camp roster?
Indeed it does, and that's what makes this signing slightly suspicious. There were no financial details released by the Raps regarding the Dupree signing but you have to think it's for at least the season. And if so, then who gets cut? The league max for rosters is 15, with each team having 3 inactives for each game.
Looking over Toronto's roster though, it's hard to see just who goes.
Joey Dorsey is probably the most obvious option but I'd argue he's needed more than Dupree at this stage until we hear more about this MRI on Ed Davis' knee.
A Reggie Evans buy-out then?
A Jose Calderon deal in the works?
There just isn't anything too obvious since most of the players on this team are either potential building blocks (Weems, DeRozan, Davis, Alabi etc), or just came over to the team this off-season via trade!
The only thing I can think of unfortunately comes back to Davis.
If he's going to miss some time with this knee situation, then perhaps the Dupree signing is only a short-term one, as under NBA rules, "replacement players can be signed to 10-day contracts (or three games, whichever is the later) and can be signed to two 10-day contracts a season."
So maybe the Dupree contract is simply a temp one to bridge the gap until Davis returns. Dupree isn't really a power forward of course, but maybe the idea is that Kleiza sees time at that spot and Dorsey and Alabi get some pre-season run while Davis heals up.
Here's the scary thing though.
If it turns out that Dupree's contract is for the season, there's a good chance Davis is done for a while. Again, under NBA rules, "further use of said replacement player requires the player to be signed for the remainder of the season."
Hmmm.
There's no sense jumping to conclusions but the bottom line is that when we know the full details of Dupree's contract, we should have a better idea of what the rationale behind the signing was. I'd be disappointed to see the team cut Dorsey, but I don't see much wiggle room with the rest of the roster right now if Dupree's contract is for at least the upcoming season.
Regardless, should fans expect to see much from Ronald this year?
I doubt it.
His offensive skills are pretty rough (career 43% field goal shooter, 56% free-throw shooter) and while he can nail the 3, it's really on D that he might get some spot looks. (His advanced stats around rebounding are essentially identical to Julian Wright's.) When he was on the court in Vegas with Weems the two did a very good job of hounding the opponent's ball-handlers and locked things up pretty tight at times.
So yes, there's some marginal use here in limited minutes I'd say.
However I'd also say that signing Jermaine Dupri could have moved Toronto's off-season report card up a few notches as well...
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You wanna dance? Ima make you dance...
lol you guys are too much.
If the guy can play d as you say, I’m all for it. We tend to complain when BC signs soft euros who can’t or won’t play defense. I realize that Ronald isn’t a game changer, but if his strength is defense, I say good job BC.
Legomaster at Work
It’s all part of the mast plan to win the Eric Dampier sweepstakes!
That pretty much answers the question then I guess…pure security blanket and reward for a solid Summer League session.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Sep 17, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Why Dupree
Raptors short on wings for training camp with only 5, and 7 bigs. Dupree signed for min contract just under $1mil for year, non-guaranteed, the same as Weems and Dorsey, with total now 16 and only 13 guaranteed, provides competition and flexibility.
It’s still sort of strange though…I mean the competition he provides is against a few players the team is supposedly high on, like Weems and DeRozan. It’s not like he’s taking Joey Dorsey’s spot on the floor.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Sep 17, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not make too much out of this
Dupree is not beating anyone out. Not unusual to bring in 1 or 2 extra bodies for training camp. People get banged up and you need enough bodies to run the drills/scrimmages. MAS11 is right….simply training camp fodder.
Its good for Dupree, even if he knows he will not make it as he gets the chance to catch someone’s eye (who has an open roster spot) in a preseason game.
Credibility destroying optimism
OK I love jack Armstrong as a colour commentator, but apparently he’s lost his marbles. In this interview with “The Toronto Observer” (an outfit I’ve never even heard of), Jack “HELLO” Armstrong is predicting that the Raps could challange for the 6th spot in the East… If the Raptors end up in the 6th spot in the East, without a major overhall, God himself has intervened or the NBA is broken…
http://www.torontoobserver.ca/2010/09/16/back-to-drawing-board-as-raps-head-to-training-camp/
I’d love to see a bit more objectivity out of the likes of Armstrong and Devlin. But that’s like asking Chuck Swirsky not to be a homer.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Sep 17, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean anything’s possible…but 6th? Injuries aside, Miami, Orlando, Boston, Atlanta, Chicago and Milwaukee look like locks. I think it’s a pretty big stretch to say the team will be better than any from that group, let alone improved clubs like the Knicks.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Sep 17, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is Milwaukee a "lock"
I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the Raps win 50 games, and here is what I’m going to do. If they win less than 30, I will give each of the posters above me as of 3:49 p.m. on September 17th, 2010, $100, OR, if you don’t need it, contribute $100 to a charity of your choice. So, by my count that is $900 I’m committing to the season, if they are horrible.
The list of recipients
PNUTZ
benjibopper
MAS11
Franchise
Jenge
Johnn19
bigweeze
cmrm123
and….can’t believe I’m agree to this…Defensive Stance
Hold me to this. If the season is crap, you can console yourselves.
Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.
by HQ Interloper on Sep 17, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Noble gesture
HQ Interloper, you are certainly putting your money where your mouth is. If the Raptors do win 50+ games in the 2010-11 season then I will gladly donate $100 to the charity of your choice. I don’t think I am quite as pessimistic as some of the posters you listed, but I do see this as a rebuilding season where the Raptors are very likely to finish below .500.
Unbelieveable...
50 Games!?!? My word… I was going to post back a few arguments, but what’s the point…
You know what, Hmmm… I’ve heard this 50 Game speach before. That’s it!! I think I’ve figured it out! HQ Interloper is Brian Colangelo!! Holy Crap! It all makes sense now!! : )
Have my money ready. Here’s my charity: www.kiva.org
I will remeber this Interloper, Trust me.
D-stance, Franchise, can you PLEEEEAAASEE put a count down or some running post on the site that will remind everyone come the end of the season that Interloper has to pony up! How funny would a “Days untill HQ Interloper has to pay $900” count down be!!! LOL
Is this why they call you the 'interloper'?
This sounds this like the sub-prime mortgage fiasco (where people invest in the Raptors crashing and burning!) … you know how that worked out…
Conversely: Are we possible beneficiaries of the Vegas ‘all-in’ move – that some of you have bet the kitchen sink on?
Haha. I appreciate being included in the inevitable payout!
$100 to the Canadian Cancer Society ;)
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Sep 17, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How about a compromise?
I wasn’t able to post before you put this here but I will bet you $20 that the Raptors finish closer to 30 wins than 50 (40 wins even would be a push).
D-A-double-D-Y-M-A-C
There ain’t another brother bad as me
damn you for your Jermaine Dupri reference!
Back to the Dupree signing. If he is signed to a make good contract i.e. he has to actually make the team for the contract to kick in and I believe this is possible under the current CBA, then I am indifferent. If it is for the season because Davis is out for the year it would make no sense because they don’t play the same position. Cutting Dorsey would actually be counter productive as at least Dorsey is a C/PF and could move up the depth chart. I really hope that BC hasn’t finally lost his marbles completely and cut the only Defensive player left at PF/C (sigh, fine I will concede that Amir might qualify).






























