0 - 3? What Up Wit Dat?!?!
What is up with this 0-3 record for Team Canada in Turkey? We here at The Can Ball Report were confounded by the record as anyone so we posed this simple question to our Twitter peeps and we got a few answers. We take the three most common ones and take a look at them ...
What is up with Team Canada? No really, what’s up?
It was just two short weeks ago that they seemed to be a team that could drop points on anyone and lock up any team trying to make a comeback. So what is going on right now?
In the last three games in Turkey, Canada has been up 17 points in one game, lost a lead in the last minutes of the game and was outplayed by a team that clearly was inferior thanks to fourth quarter collapses. Needless to say they all resulted in losses for the Red and White and this has all served to put any hopes of advancing to the next round at these World Championships in serious jeopardy.
But what is the deal?
Since I've been stuck at work for all the games saving lives (really I have been) I put that question out on the Can Ball Report’s Twitter profile and there are some recurring things that kept coming back: Canada has no go to offensive player, the team’s talent is not very good and the coaching is suspect. This is coming from people who range from fans to basketball personnel and though I always take what most people tell me with some degree of salt, I have to give some of these points some credence since they are being said by multiple people. So let me address some of those concerns …
The idea that Canada has no go to guy is about right first of all. At this level, you would think that guys can put the ball in the bucket. At any position, any player on their respective teams should be able to score but that doesn’t mean that they are guys you want with the ball with the game on the line. Canada has a bunch of guys that can score but are not THAT guy. No offense to anyone, they just aren’t. I don’t see Denham Brown or Jevohn Sheppard or Jermaine Bucknor or even Joel Anthony being that player. I would’ve like to think that Andy Rautins could be that guy but it’s a little hard when he’s either playing limited minutes in less than 100% physical health, more so when he’s not playing at all. So where does that leave us? Wishing that Carl English was in uniform? I don’t think so. I don’t think platooning the game winning play between five guys is the answer. It just doesn’t work. Someone needs to step up here and take it upon themselves to take responsibility AND make the right play. At least we can assemble the next team.
On to the next one …
Now I’ve been hearing for years that Canada has been fielding some crappy National Teams, largely due to players not wanting to suit up. Well, that may have been true at some time but right now I think the current team is very talented. As someone pointed out last night on Twitter (big shout to QHoops) the team has really been underachieving so far this tournament. Losses to two teams that Canada should have beat and then lose a large lead to a team that they really had no business being up on. If people can remember that two weeks ago Canada crushed China and France (the French twice) so there the team can ball. That should tell people that despite missing some other players, and you can say whatever name you want, this team could still win games with its current roster. But yet, the W is still elusive for our boys. Being up 17 on Lithuania shows the team can do it but the losses to Lebanon and France show that there is something missing. It’s not talent that’s for sure so what is it?
I think the next gripe the logical step to what may be the cause of these (mounting) losses. This one is more of a serious indictment of the organization and the rumbling is that the coaching was suspect. I guess, since I have not seen a game yet thanks to my place of gainful employment preventing me from doing so since I want to eat, I am relying on my faithful Twitter peeps and the boxscores from the games. What I understand is that there have been suspect substitution patterns and poor decisions down the stretch. Now I’m not a coach, and I don’t claim to know how to or how hard it is, but I think as a ball player and fan that I can infer that there if people are saying there is an issue, there must be an issue.
I don’t know if Leo is a true coach in the sense that he didn’t have a coaching job before this one but that has to be a point of contention now. He’s had a few years to get some under his belt and should have a grasp of the position. He’s managed to assemble a set of guys that have years of experience to help with the decision making and training and if this is the result then there is something a wry here. Now having watched the two games against France, I was a little surprised at his sub patterns and his willingness to leave guys out there to work through rough spots but attributed it to as a test of players who are all essentially trying out. Maybe that was all just how he liked to coach and if so, I can see why many may be asking for him to go now. I think this tournament will be the make or break for Coach Rautins for the following summer for Canadian basketball fans for sure.
Going over these things has me thinking that the high hopes for the National Team at this World Championships are going to go unfounded. There are two games left in their pool before the eliminations begin and it’s looking quite dim right now. They need to win these next two games against a resurgent New Zealand team and a powerhouse in Spain who despite their play so far are more than formidable. If the team doesn’t win these two, not only will Canada end another disappointing run at a world event but the talk of the program taking a slide again will be underlying the can Leo cries. I’ll let you decide what will be more deafening.
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Missing a star scorer, that's all.
But good luck finding one.
Need a go-to scorer, coaching not the issue
Watching a bit of the New Zealand game this moring, I’d say that the offensive flow could be better. However, the most glaring issue was that Canada could not hit a shot, not deep, not at the rim and not even consistently at the free throw line. Their defense was doing a good job of keeping the game close and there didn’t seem to be anything too crazy about Leo’s substitution patterns. I think the lack of an offensive catalyst and in this case the specific lack of Andy Rautins is the difference between Canada’s play now and Canada’s play a couple of weeks ago. To back that up, I’d point out that the team’s performance started going south in the games before the tournament where AR was out of the line-up. Effort is there, defense seems not bad and nothing too crazy about the substitutions. Coaching is a cop-out excuse. Canada needs AR in the short term and more overall talent in the long term. When guys like Wiltjer, Thompson, Kabongo et al start filtering up to the senior national team the depth will be there that should allow Canada to ride out any specific injury and really start contending.
BTW, if Coach K offered to come and coach Team Canada for free I would through Leo under the bus in a split-second. However, I don’t think Leo is the guy to take the blame for Canada’s record thus far.
I agree that Canada needs more talent – but let’s face it, if they got through to the next round, they could use even more talent to get past that. Increasing talent is always going to help the team.
I voted for coaching because as sparse as the talent on this team is, there IS talent there, and I don’t think it’s being used properly. Especially in this morning’s game, where there was basically no offensive strategy at all.
by dhackett1565 on Sep 1, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
How many decent shots did Canada miss today? For example, 3rd quarter, Levon Kendall establishes deep post position, uses his go-to spin move into the lane, lofts a shot from essentially 3-4 feet away from the basket, and barely hits iron. Now Kendall is a pretty decent player, but is it really the coach’s fault that he can’t hit a shot from his sweet spot on the floor. There were numerous other examples of guys missing uncontested jumpers or driving to the bucket then missing the shot then getting bailed out with a foul call and then missing one or both of their free throws.
Without their go-to scorer and with their lead guard at less than 100%, I think that Leo and the coaching staff are getting quite a bit out of a young squad. Could you find a better coach, sure, but I don’t think he is the main reason for Canada’s struggles.
I actually think Leo’s done a great job at the defensive end – that is where this team seems to play well together. But the offensive side seems to be different. For a team that has shown it can move the ball, at times the offense gets very stagnant, with a lot of one-on-one going on. That’s my main complaint.
I agree about missing the go-to scorer – but what is fixed easiest? The coach, or the entire team? There just isn’t a lot of talent to draw on. And even if Rautins was healthy, and the young players were experienced enough to join the team, and the team got to the round-of-16 and lost…. What would be the complaint? Probably that we just don’t have enough talent. Because a team can ALWAYS use more talent.
Granted I haven’t seen every minute of every game, but from what I have seen the offense has generated decent shots, it’s just that the players have not been hitting them.
Given the close game against France and Lithuania and the “winnable” games against NZ and Leb, I suppose you could argue that a masterful coach would have led Canada to a 4-0 record rather than their current 0-4, but I don’t really buy that. I think Leo has got a good effort out of the players and has run an acceptable game plan.
You are right that to win the tournament or even come close to that Canada will need a lot more talent. That is obviously a systemic issue that must be addressed over a period of time by Basketball Canada through things like organizing the cadets, junior teams, development camps, coaching clinics, etc…
To answer your question above, when you are missing a go-to scorer I don’t think you need to get rid of the coach or the entire team, you just need to get another go-to scorer. In the short term that many not be possible, but when Canada next plays competitively(Olympic qualifying, I imagine) they will need to get AR back and/or develop other options(Cory Joseph? Olnyk? English? Thompson?)
If we lost to New Zealand it ain't about talent!!
They have 4 million people on an island in the middle of nowhere. How many Kiwi’s have watched an NBA game or even picked up a basketball?
This loss is all about coaching (not just Leo) and lack of organizational development.
Between Federal, Provincial, municipal and HST, I pay a lot of taxes. Come on Canada put some money into sports other than hockey!
by raptor rabid on Sep 1, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right, the country with the world’s best rugby team has no good athletes!! ;)
I agree with you that basketball would benefit from more funding and support from all sources government, private sector, fans, etc….
Actually, if we lost to NZ it is exactly about talent. With 8 times their population we should have so many more good ballers than them that your average Raptors HQ poster should be able to coach Canada to victory over NZ.
So, with our high population… doesn’t the fact that Leo couldn’t coach the Canucks to victory say something about the relative coaching abilities of Leo and the average RapsHQ poster? :D
If population actually translated into basketball talent then you would have a point, but thanks to the geniuses who have run Basketball Canada through the 90s and 2000s that has not been the case.
Fortunately, we are finally starting to see an improvement in Canada’s talent development system which may lead to better results in the future(with or without Leo as coach).
like i have said before bring in tristan blackwood for ryan bell, bring in a steve sir or jr patrick for doornekamp, bring in guys that deserve a shot at playing on this team like a patrick tatham, sefton barrett, kevin massiah, donrick thomas, just ask wayne dawkins for omse of his ELITE 1 guys hell its a pro league, im sure most those guys can play, also get RO RUSSELL on with the Canada Basketball coaching staff, the guy has done everything for grassroots bball in canada and should be recognized for his work, also why not bring in a guy like the 1999 NCAA slam dunk champ gary durrant, he run bball clinics all the time in Toronto, and is the only canadian ever to win a NCAA dunk competition, so anyways those are a few suggestions, bring on the young guys!!!! thompson, kabongo, josephs, cadougan, ashaolu, wiggins, bhullar, birch, benett, hanlan, the future is still bright!!!!
WOWOWOW!
Maybe we should beg Steve Nash to come help lol
No but seriously, I think this is a coaching issue. Our team is definitely capable of winning all of those past 3 games. Not sure whats wrong.
Coaching internationally is more than just being able to write down the correct x’s and o’s for a team. Rautins has shown that he cannot handle big personalities (Dalembert) and he has not drawn anyone in the NBA other than his own son and Anthony. Getting a name coach who can handle players from the top level is a must if we are going to move forward and until Leo shows he can do that we have to at least think that it is time to find another solution.
Firstly, are you implying that Leo can correctly write down the x’s and o’s? ;)
Secondly, a succession of NBA coaches with very good credentials have failed to handle Dalembert’s personality, so I don’t put too much stock in that argument.
Thirdly, what name coach do suppose is beating down Basketball Canada’s door looking to take Leo’s place?
And lastly, I am not saying that Leo is a coaching superstar, but I think it is lazy thinking to just reflexively put all the blame on him for Canada’s failure to progress in this year’s FIBA tournament. If you give him all the blame this year then you have to give him all the credit for them qualifying for the tournament in the first place. I’d love to see Basketball Canada hire a guy like Dave Blatt to coach the team, but until the day that a guy like that becomes available I think there are bigger issues to address than the coaching situation(like developing a deeper talent pool, getting more national team games in Canada, continuing to develop grassroots coaching, securing more sponsorship dollars to expand the program, organizing elite youth development camps, and on and on…)
I am not suggesting that Leo is solely to blame for the state of Canada’s basketball program but I never agreed with his hiring in the first place. I felt hiring someone who has no coaching (not just head coaching) experience was the way to go just because he would have the time to devote to the program. Other countries get by with part time head coaches and many of them are more talented, having a full time head coach hasn’t exactly put us over the top.
The succession of head coaches were not fired because they couldn’t handle Dalembert’s personality. They were fired because they couldn’t get the entire team going in the right direction.
If Bball Canada is going to rely upon only coaches who are begging for the job we will never get a coach with some substance. Canada needs to go out and recruit someone with a good reputation that has shown they can handle both big personalities and win at a high level. I have no idea who that would be but isn’t it time to admit that Rautins isn’t working?
Considering that Rautins got Canada to the world championships last summer when I thought that they would fall on their face with him in charge, I’d say that his hiring turned out better than I expected.
It would be great to get a respected international coach, but those guys make big money coaching in Europe and even with Maurizio’s connections most likely they aren’t available. An interesting option would be to get a guy like Tom Izzo to coach the team with a few respected assistants like Greg Francis, Eli Pasquale, etc. Izzo is just over the border, so he could easily stay up to speed with BBCanada mgmt and he might see some advantage for his college program in being able to scout up and coming Canadian talent(not sure if that is a win-win situation or a conflict of interest).
Anyway, while I can see lots of options for upgrading Canada’s coaching situation that still doesn’t mean that coaching is that main reason for Canada’s failings at this specific tournament. If you could change the fourth option for “something else” to “all of the above” that would be the most accurate assessment of Canada’s failings at the Worlds.
I appreciate all the insightful commentary on this post. I too didn’t agree that Leo’s hiring was not in the best decision but he has rolled surprisingly well with what he has been given taking all things into account. I’m would neve say that Leo is a miracle worker but he has gotten to a very respectable position in making the World Championships with what would essentially make up a Summer League team. Unfortunately the talent is not on par with the teams that are also playing in the tournament.
Right now, I think that Leo is a victim of the team’s success over the last few weeks. If Canada hadn’t beaten China and France so handily, the expecations in the Worlds would not have been so high and the results would not have been so deflating. I still don’t think Leo is the guy to lead the next charge into the Olympics but he has managed to make a largely dead end situation right now into a positve.
Now if Canada can get the young guys up.
Ray Bala
CANadian BasketBALL Report
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