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To Boldly Go Where No Raptors’ GM Has Gone Before - Revisited

No Bosh or Hedo could mean a lot of "red shirts" thrown into the fire this year for Toronto.

Franchise takes a look back to last summer, when he worried about the Raptors' "red-shirts," that is, their lack of bench depth.  Now it seems, the reverse problem may be true...

Star-divide

Some of you may recall last summer when I compared Toronto's then-bench-crew of Roko, Nathan Jawai, Quincy Douby and co. to the red-shirted security team from the old school Star Trek episodes.

Aka...you knew as soon as any guy in a red shirt beamed down to the planet with Kirk and crew...he was done:


 

At the time, I worried that no matter what changes were made to the starting line-up, the bench, which had been such a weakness the previous season, was bound to let the team down again, and again.

However as we now know, a funny thing happened; the bench became one of the team's key strengths, to the point that outside of Chris Bosh, it was really hard to determine just who should be starting on a consistent basis!

So what about this off-season?

Keeping with the Star Trek analogy, I suppose the first thing that needs to be acknowledged is that the team's Captain Kirk, Chris Bosh, is gone to help lead another starship, leaving Spock, Dr. McCoy or gulp...Scottie to lead the USS Toronto Raptor. 

Before we can even discuss bench issues, I think this is something that needs to be touched on.  Because last season, minus Bosh, the club floundered looking quite lost without their leader and go-to guy.

Who replaces Bosh in that department?

Bargnani?  Jose?  Marcus Banks?

I'd say the best candidate would be Jarrett Jack, however isn't that a bit like letting Sulu have control of the bridge?

My worry is that there is no Spock, McCoy or even Scottie on this club at present; and the team has a number of bench players who aren't that much worse than their starting brethren,  I think even with Bosh we saw far too much proof of this last season and therefore I'm wondering without Bosh, how this situation will improve at all.  In all likelihood, it will be worse.

Watching the Phoenix Suns during their playoff run last spring made me re-think this whole issue of "starters vs bench strength."   For those who watched those matches you saw how important both were as the Suns' starters got Phoenix back in many a game, however it was the bench advantage that allowed them to pull away from the Lakers for good in their wins.

We didn't see that sort of balance from the Raps last year and in fact most of the time, the starters would get themselves in a hole only to have the bench try and dig the team out.  This is evident by looking at Teamrankings.com's list of quarter by quarter scoring.  The Raptors' starters averaged 26.5 points per first Q last season, good for 9th best in the L, however ranked third in the league in second-quarter scoring, with 27.3 point on average.

While that doesn't look to be a big jump, think about this for a second.

Most teams saw decreases in average scoring from first to second quarter, presumably because coaches rested many of their best scorers during the bulk of that time.

Toronto not only kept on par with its first quarter production, but surpassed it!

Things really got interesting in the second half as scoring failed to match production in either the first or second quarter, a trend that echoed how many a loss occurred last season.  The starters would surrender leads or get blown out in the third quarter, and a random rag-tag inconsistent mix of bench and starters would try to salvage a game in the fourth.

Here's what Toronto's average scoring per quarter therefore looked like last season:

Raptors_scoring_per_quarter_2009-10_medium
 

It's pretty tough to win a good chunk of your matches when you get production like that.  There just aren't many NBA games won in the second quarter.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure how that's going to change this coming season.  Two starters are gone, replaced with in all probability, bench folks.  It's anyone's guess who the starting five will even be in fact as aside from Andrea Bargnani and possibly DeMar DeRozan, the rest is pretty open.  It really could be "start by committee" as Weems, Johnson, Calderon, Jack, Barbosa, Kleiza and maybe even Davis could be vying for starting spots.

Last year that was hardly the case as the top 5 were pretty much set from the jump, although 25 games into the season many of us had started to beg for Hedo and DeMar's demotions.  And unlike the 2008-09 season where the Raptors were constantly sending Roko and crew out to be crushed by opponents, last year's bench fared pretty well and most of the time were tough to separate from the starters in terms of production.

More importantly though, who closes out the games?  Most teams finish strong with either their starting group, or the majority of that group with one specific player mixed in because of the offensive or defensive intangibles they provide.

For the Raptors next year?

Your guess is as good as mine.

We've seen time after time in NBA history that teams without identities struggle in the league.  Last year the Raptors didn't have much of one, and this year, because of the lack of differentiation among the roster, that could be even more true.  It will be up to Triano and his staff to forge that identity early on in the season, and hopefully some of Toronto's young gunz pick up the torch and show that they're ready to be starters in this league.

Otherwise forget Kirk, Spock and McCoy next year.

We could very well be watching a USS Enterprise run entirely by "red shirts."

And I think we all know how that will end.

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Good comparison

Unlike last year, it will be difficult for this team to disappoint. Only because my bar will be low.

I expect DeRozan to step up this season, and hope Amir crosses that bridge to a legit big man. Davis? Can’t expect much and after 4 years of suppoting Bargnani and waiting and waiting, well, lets say, I expect the same.
Our PG situation might still be our strength(is that not ironic?).
Throw in a sophomore coach in Triano, who really did not impress in rookie season.

Don’t get me wrong, I actually like the new direction this team has taken, I think we had to. But my goal for this team is bottom 4 and a legit shot a a game changer in the lottery. BC has got 3 months to screw it up.

by Tinmann on Aug 6, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s a good point on the PG’s, especially if Calderon can rediscover some of his mojo.

My dream scenario would be similar to yours Tinmann, the team competes hard every night and shows growth by March (especially from the young “core”), but falls well short of the playoffs thus getting a great shot at a top lottery pick.

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by Adam Francis on Aug 6, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be nirvana for a Raptors fan.

by DW19 on Aug 6, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

still dreaming

deal Jose to a contender in February getting back young talent and picks, Get rid of any expiring deal for the same.
Bargnani’s fate will be decided by Feb as well
Fire Triano and BC after the season and bring in a builder. BC leaves with his tail between his legs but also with a good young nucleus, good cap situation, and draft picks galore for his successor.
Heat get decimated by injuries and fall to lottery as well, for next two seasons.

And I live at Deerhurst all year long.

by Tinmann on Aug 6, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bring in Pritchard? He seems to be good with picks…

by dhackett1565 on Aug 6, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pritchard would be great from a basketball standpoint. Reading the stories out of Portland it sounds like the reason he was let go amounted to basically office politics. Given the backroom shenanigans that have gone on over the years with the Raps that might be a bit of a red flag. Other than that he’d be a solid replacement.

Does Alex Anthopoulous have a basketball-savvy twin brother? :)

by DW19 on Aug 6, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I was in Vegas I spent a good chunk of time with Ben Golliver who runs Blazers Edge. He might be the blogger with the closest ties to any NBA team – think Doug Smith with street cred. He gave me the pros and cons of Pritchard, which pitched to him as an idea for Toronto’s next GM, and while yes, he did a great job with the draft and talent acquisition, he also was difficult to deal with at times behind the scenes. So probably not a perfect replacement either…but then…is anyone?

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by Adam Francis on Aug 6, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Need more Klingons

The team is still too soft and a Klingon to man the middle, collect rebounds, and put some fear into the Nosicans is exactly what Bones ordered.

I’m happy with the Romulan/Ferengi mix at point guard.

by CamHilton on Aug 6, 2010 10:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Ferengi’s aren’t great defenders, but they can definitely craft a good offensive attack.

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by Adam Francis on Aug 6, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

When I read the headline I immediately thought about Greg Oden

So it gets me thinking about potential swaps, which I don’t do too often, and I settled on this one:
Greg Oden for Andrea Bargnani, with LaMarcus Aldridge going to New Orleans as the main piece in a Chris Paul transaction, with other pieces being moved around from the three teams as necessary to make it work capwise.

Reasoning:
Colangelo gets an interesting piece that would even draw some of the casual fans just out of curiosity. One area Oden has shown to be most effective is on the defensive end, and his acquisition would be consistent with what’s been brought on this offseason as Raptors 3.0 (No Name Era) gets started with a clear goal of being a strong defensive minded team.

New Orleans gets a Texas native to pair with Collison, and pieces from Portland that make sense financially and instill some hope of a brighter future,

Portland gets the point guard they’ve wanted to move them to that next level in the tough Western Conference and a reasonable salaried replacement and arguably more gifted replacement for Aldridge who should pair well with any of their current bigs (Camby/Prysbilla)

If the Raptors can somehow use the TPE to grease the wheels by swallowing Okafor’s deal and get additional pieces like Batum, Bayless, and picks from both NO and Portland, I think everyone’s happy.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Aug 6, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sound logic here and who knows, maybe Portland gets testy with Oden this year if he’s not developing. We’ve seen in NBA history a number of trades motivated by exchanging one disappointing/underachieving player for another so why not an Oden for Bargs swap?

I agree though, this is it for Bargs. I thought last year was in a way, but this one will be the final straw for those backers who thought Bosh held him back.

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by Adam Francis on Aug 6, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to step all over you but I do not think Portland will trade Batum any time soon. As much as Portland needs a good PG I doubt they would move him.

BTW, why would we be taking on Okafor’s contract if we are getting Oden and not Collison? NO isn’t going to trade away Paul and Collison so why would we take on that terrible contract?

by McGateway on Aug 6, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The assumption is that Portland would be required to send a quality piece like Batum to NO for any sort of deal that lands them Paul. To satisfy NO cost cutting needs, the Raps would assume the Okafor contract in exchange for Batum (and as insurance in case Oden doesn’t overcome his injury issues). Someone like Miller would be sent to NO as a backup/transitional starter/mentor for Collision.

The primaries would be as follows:

To Portland:
Paul, Bargnani
To NO
Miller, Aldridge
to Toronto
Oden,
Batum,
Okafor contract

with other pieces from all sides and picks thrown in to allow each team to come out with a fair shake.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Aug 6, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talent-wise it seems like Portland and Toronto do a lot better than New Orleans. For this to work, I think NO would have to end up with Batum, otherwise I can’t see them doing the deal unless they REALLY want to dump Okafor’s contract.

by DW19 on Aug 6, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually that’s a great point – Batum seems to be untouchable. Portland was offered numerous lottery picks for him this past draft and they didn’t bite.

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by Adam Francis on Aug 7, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when the Bulls were reluctant to move Deng in a Kobe deal?

As much as teams can fall in love with the players they draft, sometimes overvaluing a particular player can result in a championship contending window never opening. It would be wise to accumulate as many pieces as possible as close to their projected peak to capitalize on a period when you have a talent advantage over your closest competitors. One could argue that Brandon Roy (with injury considerations) is in his peak performance period, so why not pair him with a point guard who is at a similar point in terms of expected level of performance.

In retrospect, the Bulls should have acted on the opportunity and it would have changed the competitive landscape of the league. Portland is at a very similar position with respect to the favourable perception of its available talent. Keeping Batum instead of capitalizing on an opportunity for an all-world type player would be folly, in my opinion.

Even from a Raptors perspective, it would be fair to argue that overvaluing Andrea/not acting more proactively in moving Bosh (maybe a couple of years before this summer) has set the franchise back. Each franchise goes through cycles. The championship winning ones know when to act on opportunities presented to them.

Happiness is that which gets lost in the details of its pursuit.

by HQ Interloper on Aug 7, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see Andrea going for Oden if PO sours on him but NO is not going to accept a washed up Miller and Aldridge when they can get so much more from Paul if they move him (remember Paul has to want to go to Portland as well otherwise he can just refuse to report).

by McGateway on Aug 7, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starters' defense improved?

That’s an interesting chart that you guys put up. It jibes with how I intuitively remember a lot of games playing out. I remember a few cringe-inducing games down the stretch where the Raptors turned a healthy halftime lead into a very disappointing loss.

As far as offense from the starters vs the bench it might be a bit of a wash, depending on how the point guard situation works out. Supposing the team fails to trade Calderon, it might be just as well to configure the starter and bench around whichever point guard they will play with. For example, Weems and Johnson tended to play well with Calderon while Bargnani and DeRozan seemed to be better with Jack. Those combinations are based on my personal observations, so I could be wrong, but I think the principle of putting together complementary groups of players is a solid one.

Lastly, I really hope that the defense from the Raptors starters will be a lot better this year. That would help a lot. How many times last year did the Raptors start out reasonably well on offense, but abysmally on defense. Then when bench players like Weems, Wright and Johnson started coming into the game the defense improved and the Raptors went on a run. Again, that is strictly anecdotal analysis.

Anyway, here’s hoping Triano can somehow morph into Jean-Luc Picard(I see a slight resemblance) and provide the leadership this team clearly will need. Yeah, maybe it’s a faint hope….

by DW19 on Aug 6, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

A question on that chart – could we see similar charts for other teams? Seems to me that defense tends to tighten up in the 4th quarter, if the game is anywhere near close – and that could cause a drop in points scored for any team. Hey, maybe not, just wondering.

by dhackett1565 on Aug 6, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll have to dig the data up but great idea – I only looked at that second quarter in comparison but the end of the game metrics would be very interesting, especially because I think your hypothesis probably rings true.

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by Adam Francis on Aug 6, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last year had some of the most “cringe-inducing games” as you put it that I can recall. Remember the 20+ point blown lead to Indiana?? That one will haunt me for years. Or a wasted comeback against Memphis where Rudy Gay took over in OT and Triano had the most bizarre defensive schemes (Jose mostly) trying to contain him?

Ugh.

It seemed that down the stretch the club just didn’t have a set methodology and that’s one of the reasons we were seeing such scrambly finishes.

And the “triangle of death” certainly didn’t help those fourth quarter stats…

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by Adam Francis on Aug 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really good point

Our team was mishandled last season on various fronts.

by Tinmann on Aug 6, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Triangle of Death

It’s so funny when old school, not-based-on-any-facts thinking like “playing three ball handlers together is great offensively” gets soundly refuted by statistical analysis. It’s why franchises like Oklahoma City and Houston are miles ahead of the Raptors right now.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Aug 6, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you even need statistical analysis to refute that idea. If there aren’t three balls on the court why would you want three ball handlers out there?

by DW19 on Aug 6, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

On top of that we are talking about 3 ball handlers who can’t defend the positions they are playing(Calderon-1, Jack-2, Turk-3). If the Raptors had Pippen-Jordan-Armstrong out there as their 3 ball handlers that would be another story.

by DW19 on Aug 6, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s something I don’t think we discussed enough last year; not only did the three ball handlers gum up the offense in crunch time, but none, aside from maybe Jack if he manned the 1, could help get stops either!

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by Adam Francis on Aug 6, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they gummed up the works – based on advanced stats they were above-average (compared to the team as a whole) offensively. They were good at one end.

It really was their defense that was the problem – I think I read at some point they had a defensive rating of about 130. (!!!) That may have gone down later in the season, but it was still our worst defensive lineup.

by dhackett1565 on Aug 6, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a great point...

Add Bargani into the mix at centre, and its no wonder the Raptors squad that took the floor in crunch time couldn’t get stops. That’s three horid defenders (Bargs, Turk, Calderone) and one passable defender playing out of position (Jack ocupying the 2 at times).

by MAS11 on Aug 7, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like Metallica, that’s Sad But True…

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Aug 6, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was going to comment on the Triangle of Death issue because wasn’t part of the problem that our worst defenders were out there in the 4th quarter and they didn’t play well enough together offensively to offset that? I actually thought that our finishing would improve a little bit this season with Turk gone and either DD or Weems getting more burn in the 4th this season.

by McGateway on Aug 6, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the traditional terms of “starters” and “bench players” apply to Jay. We should probably be more focused on who will be logging the most minutes. As you said in the post it was obvious by mid season that certain starters should have been demoted but weren’t. I’m really hoping Jay just plays the guys that are working the hardest whether they started or not.

by PNUTZ on Aug 6, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s such a key thing this year. What’s the plan BC? Is the team trying to win games or develop talent? Sometimes it’s possible to do both but a lot of the times you sacrifice wins by throwing rookies into the fire…

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by Adam Francis on Aug 6, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The plan should be to develop young talent, however they need to be sure to get Barbosa and Calderon significant minutes.

I think Barbosa could become an attractive trade piece to flip at the deadline to a contender if given some time to prove his worth. Calderon is clearly not very marketable right now so they may as well use him given that he needs a chance to improve his stock and that he helps the young guys a lot with his play/decision making.

Triano and the Raps will have their hands full figuring out how to get Jose, Jack, Barbosa, Weems, Derozan and Kleiza the right amount of minutes.

Jack and Barbosa are very similar in my opinion, and Jack has already shown to fit in well with the other players. So I think the team should be looking to get something for Barbosa after they build up his value. With his short contract and ability to score in bunches he should be very marketable. After they deal him, hopefully for an expiring and a pick/prospect. They will be to focus even more on developing getting young guys minutes.

by JumpShootersRUS on Aug 6, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m really hoping Jay just plays the guys that are working the hardest whether they started or not.

This is a solid point. Because if you don’t run a team that way, you risk losing the room and the respect of your players.

Sadly, I think Triano has already gone down that road with his handling of the likes of Bargnani, Turkoglu and DeRozan (failing to cut minutes for guys who clearly haven’t deserved the playing time for various reasons).

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Aug 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this philosophy, but I would add one caveat. Some guys play hard, but not smart and I wouldn’t encourage them to continue doing that by giving them extra PT.

Hopefully, Triano learned something from last season.

by DW19 on Aug 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL that video was a trip

I could watch those dopey red shirt guys get fried all day, I have a feeling I’ll be sick of it by mid season though.

by PNUTZ on Aug 6, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Some of the clips kill me…just the way they’re edited is awesome.

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by Adam Francis on Aug 6, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol darn it i never watched star trek

by raptors_run_the_show on Aug 6, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

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