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RaptorsHQ Goes 1-on-1 with Raptors' Assistant Coach Eric Hughes

During their recent stint in Vegas, the HQ had an opportunity to set up some time to chat with Raptors' Assistant Coach Eric Hughes, who led Toronto's Summer League squad to a 5-0 record in Sin City...

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Summer League may be over but the ramifications of that team's play, and the development of the young prospects that anchored it will likely be felt well into the coming NBA season.

To that extent, I was thrilled to have an opportunity to talk with Eric Hughes, one of the Toronto Raptors' Assistant Coaches and the man responsible for guiding Toronto's Vegas crew to an undefeated record.  We touched on all manner of subjects, from the development of DeMar DeRozan to Summer League itself, and I think the following interview sheds some valuable insight into several players who should be key members of the Raptors' future...

 

RaptorsHQ:  Talk to us a little bit about the process of putting together a Summer League roster.  Outside of the Raptors own picks and players, what sort of process do you guys go through?

Eric Hughes:  Well, I'm not involved in that process per say, it's basically made up by our front office, Jim Kelly and Masai Ujiri kinda head up that team of assembling the Summer League team.  And the one thing that's helped us and given us the ability to be good this summer is we have five roster players on our team with DeMar and Sonny and Joey Dorsey and Ed Davis and then Solomon Alabi.  Five roster players on your Summer League team is pretty good and we also have a couple of guys who've played in the league, both of our point guards, Bobby Brown and Dee Brown have both played in the league, Bobby Brown has played for probably four or five years now and Dee Brown has been on a couple rosters so we technically have seven NBA guys on our team while most of the Summer League teams are made up of rookies and free agents so that puts us a step ahead of everyone on experience alone.

RHQ:  So would you say that's a good portion of the reason you guys have been so successful in Vegas?

EH:  Oh there's no question we've been successful because of that.  As I said, the majority of teams are made up of their rookies like Ed and Solomon are for us, and then just a bunch of free agents; guys that played in Europe, guys that were in college last year that weren't drafted that are looking for teams...so yeah, we're very fortunate.  It's definitely not the coaching that's the reason we're winning, it's the talent.  (Laughs).  And it makes it a lot easier when you have players like that.

RHQ:  What about a player like Bobby Brown?  Is this someone that you, or Jim, or Bryan and the front office have had an eye on for a while...or does it come it come down sometimes to these roster guys being favours to an agent etc?

EH:  Well I think in Bobby's case, we don't have a third point guard on our team.  We have Jarrett and Jose but we don't have a third point guard and I definitely think that's a roster spot we're trying to fill.  And I don't know if it will be Bobby Brown, but I definitely think we want to bring in a more experienced guy to take a look at and a guy who's been around the league and Bobby falls into that category.  So I think that's the specific reason they brought him and Dee (Brown) in to play on the team.

RHQ:  So in terms of Marcus Banks then, will he be viewed as more of a 2 on this roster going forward or not even in the plans?

EH:  Well yeah, and Marcus too although I don't know what we're planning on doing with Marcus.  He is technically our third point guard now but you know he didn't play much for us last year so, maybe we move Marcus to a scoring guard role.  But I know there's been talk of maybe trying to bring in another point guard to the team.  Bobby is a veteran guy and who knows, maybe he'll be the guy.

RHQ:  And was there any thought given to having Marcus play in Summer League?

EH:  No, Marcus came out and practiced with us a bit but I don't think a guy who's now been in the league that long they'd ask to play with the team.  So no, Marcus wasn't someone they talked about for Summer League.

RHQ:  Ok, so give me some thoughts on the team.  What has been successful and what are some of the strategies you've looked to instill with this particular group.

EH: Let me go back one part first, the other thing about Bobby Brown is that he's played some two-guard for us in Summer League as well so Bobby's very versatile, and maybe that's another reason we brought him in; he can play the point and he can play the 2 and with us missing a few roster spots that might be another reason we took a look at him.

As far as the way we want to play (in Vegas), DeMar and Sonny are the focus of the team.  They're getting the majority of the touches, they are definitely the focus of the team.  We want to get them the ball as much as we can, we're running most of our plays through them, and then I think as far as the priority list goes, we've tried to go to Ed Davis next.  But there's no question DeMar and Sonny have the ball in their hands 90% of the time in Summer League and we want them to get the experience of being able to score when we need a basket.  With the loss of Chris, we obviously have Andrea, who goes to the top of the pack in terms of probably being our best player on the team, so it's time for Sonny and DeMar to step up.  You know DeMar, not having the best of rookie years, maybe not the year he thought he'd have, or we thought he'd have, it's time for DeMar to take that next step and Summer League gives you the opportunity to do that with great competition, with officials, with regulation games...it's a great experience for him.

RHQ:  Let's talk a bit about DeMar.  I was down in Vegas for a few games taking in the action and it seems like he's really worked on a few things this off-season; obviously he looks a bit bigger and stronger but his mid-range game, getting his body set on those jump shots, that's looked to be a great deal better too to me.  Can you talk about his development?

EH:  He's still not where I would like him to be nor where I think he can be, but your perception is of him is definitely right.  He's definitely gotten better, his body's gotten stronger, he's put in some time here in the off-season and now it's time to go to work even more.  He's got next (actually this) week off and then myself or Alvin Williams will pretty much spend every week with him for the rest of the summer.  He'll have some time off here and there but again, it's time to develop even further and take his game to another level and do things like not run people over when he gets in the lane, have that pull-up jump-shot like you talked about, and also add some other shots to his game, not just getting the basket and getting lay-ups.  He's gotta have that pull-up game, he's gotta develop a little floater in the lane, and hey, he's gotta develop his range too.  He's still not very confident from the 3-point line, he still kicks his legs out when he's out in that area, and he doesn't have the confidence he needs to have.  So with some more hard work and dedicating himself for the rest of the summer, he can take that next step next year.

RHQ:  You mentioned a few things you'd like to see DeMar improve upon, what about skills like ball-handling, that was sort of a knock on him last year...

EH:  ...yeah, ball handling is a big emphasis as well.  Being able to handle the ball against pressure, being able to not defer, you know every time DeMar had the ball this past year he'd defer to Jose or he'd find Jarrett, and didn't have a lot of confidence handling the basketball.  And again, with the departure of Chris it's time for everyone to step up and one way he can step up his game is by becoming a better ball handler and being able to break people down on his own, not just in the open court but in the half court as well.

RHQ:  Switching gears a bit, what about Sonny?  He's sort of had a little more of that swagger ha ha to begin with, what sort of things have you noticed about him and are maybe looking to see more of etc?

EH:  You never have to worry about Sonny's swagger (laughs), he's always got that.  But from where Sonny came when we first got him last year, to getting him in that trade with Amir, and really not knowing a lot about him, actually having to make the decision on the last day whether we were even going to keep him or not, and then keeping him and where's come from since the first of the season, he's a true example of what hard work can do.  And that's getting extra reps up every day, and coming back at night, and going early before games.  Again, with Hedo being gone and another opportunity to step his game up, who knows, maybe it's DeMar and Sonny playing in the back-court next year at beginning of the season.  But Sonny needs to put in the same dedication that DeMar needs to in regards to getting his body stronger, working on his ball handling, I think he had 7 turnovers in his last game which obviously is unacceptable, and he needs to learn to control himself better in that way on the floor and handle the ball a little better out there.

RHQ:  Watching Sonny in Vegas, it looks like he continues to make the most of the opportunities he's been given, are there any other elements to his game that you think need some work?

EH:  Taking care of the ball which we discussed, that would be the first one.  He turns the ball over way too much.  He knows it, he's hard on himself about it, but  he's gotta take better care of the basketball.  He's got to develop his mid-range game, I mean his deficiencies are quite similar to those of DeMar, and a lot of them have to do with inexperience and not playing a lot.  Instead of just settling for a jump-shot or driving to the basket, he's got to be able to get in that 12 to 15 feet range and pull-up consistently for that J or shoot the little floater over the big man.  Both of their (Sonny and DeMar) deficiencies are common for younger players.  They've always been bigger and stronger and when they were in college, they simply ran by people and jumped over people, and they didn't have to develop a little more finesse to their game instead of just powering through guys and jumping over them.  Sonny was a JUCO All-American and was a great scorer when he was at Arkansas and DeMar played one year of college but when he was in high school it was like men against boys.  They never had to develop their jump shots because like I said, they were just bigger and stronger and could go through people.  Now, at the NBA level, everybody was like that in high school, they could all go through and jump over people and now it's time for them (Sonny and DeMar) to change their game a little bit.

RHQ:  Speaking of power, I think one of the advantages the Raptors had in Summer League play was their bigs. Joey Dorsey was a force down low, can you give us some thoughts on him?

EH:  Well Joey's a guy we didn't know a lot about.  Initially when we signed Joey our thought was that we were going to send him to our D-League team and then our D-League team did not qualify for the playoffs.  So, unfortunately we didn't get to see Joey play.  He worked out with our coaching staff a bit, but unfortunately for Joey we did not practice that much at the end of the season.  You know 82 games, you get to the end and I think in our last week of play we had two or three back to backs so we didn't have a lot of practice time, and didn't get much of a chance to assess Joey.  But Joey's been a very pleasant surprise.  I told Joey before he walked onto the court, "the way you're going to make this team is by rebounding and beating people up."  "Don't go out there and try to shoot jump shots, don't try to take people from the top of the key, get your ass down on the block and rebound and defend."  And (laughs), I think he did that, the first day he had what, 12 rebounds at the half!  He's definitely lived up to the expectation of what we want.  Last year Reggie had some health issues and you know, he's getting older so you never know.  Joey could come in and steal some minutes at the 4.  We have so many guys who can score on the team, we don't need another scorer.  Joey's gotta find his niche and a lot of guys want to prove they can score the basketball.  I told Joey his situation is just the opposite, he's gotta keep things simple; screen, roll, rebound, defend your ass off and beat people up, be our enforcer.

RHQ:  What about some quick thoughts on the two newest Raptors, Alabi and Davis?

EH:  Well, I think Ed's college career spoke for itself and obviously it was a steal for us to get him at 13, but Solomon is a guy who's maybe having an even more impressive Summer League from where we thought he'd be.  Solomon has a great upside.  Davis has got to get physically stronger, he's got to do a lot of work this summer and we'll have our coaches just with him as well.  Before he takes it to the next level in terms of his overall game, he's gotta get his body stronger first, but you can see the type of impact he can have.  He had five blocks in our last game, which I think was actually closer to seven, he can rebound, and runs the floor well for a big guy.

RHQ:  Anyone else stand out that you've had on the team, Dupree, Stinson, etc?

EH:  Well I think going back to our initial conversation I think the two guys that really helped us out the most other than our roster guys are those two point guards, and you can't beat that experience in Summer League.  Both Bobby and Dee have been really good for us to have and despite the fact that we have a talented line-up, they control things.  You know you don't have to call many time-outs to talk about things, they know what they're doing and just sort of have a feel for it, so it makes our job a lot easier.

RHQ:  Last question, what's up next?  You've sort of touched on the work you'll be doing with certain individual players, but when this all concludes (Summer League) do you (the team) make intimations towards any of the players along the lines of players keeping their options open for perhaps your training camp in the fall?

EH:  Well, Micah, Alvin and I coach the guys in the summer but as far as where they stand and what their role or future may be with the Raptors, that's our front office who will get in touch with their agents and let them know.  It's a good year though for Summer League because we do have some roster spots open.  Some years you go into Summer League and you have none and this year there will definitely be opportunities for a bunch of guys on our Vegas team.

RHQ:  Great stuff Eric, thanks so much for taking the time to chat with us!

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If the team signs Bobby Brown does that mean Whitney Houston will sit courtside?
Seriously though, I am not sure why they would move Marcus to the 2. Who cares if he develops or not. He is basically an expiring contract and nothing more at this stage. If he can contribute that is great but it is a waste of time to try and get him reps at another position. Especially one that is just as loaded as the 1.

by McGateway on Jul 26, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

 I think when Marcus was on the floor he did not do that bad and I think the raptors didn’t give him enough chances. I’d rather have him on this team then bobby brown

by raptors_run_the_show on Jul 26, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Banks was good for the Raptors last year when they need a defender at the point more than a playmaker or scorer. I don’t know if he fits in as well this coming season with no Bosh and no Turkoglu. The funny thing is that with his skills he would actually be a pretty good fit as a backup PG for the Heat.

by DW19 on Jul 26, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Brown will cost a fraction of what Marcus costs as a third stringer.

by McGateway on Jul 26, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

ya thats true but cant we hang on to him to get some cap relief our selves next season and maybe tr t make a play for melo?

by raptors_run_the_show on Jul 26, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would suspect that

if Melo leaves Denver next season. It’ll be to New York to play along side his buddy Amar’e. Especially if CP3 ends up there. Still, I agree, hold onto Banks. Let his contract expire. I don’t really get trying him out at the 2 and trying to shoehorn another PG into the lineup.

by Posterized on Jul 26, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

As posterized stated, Melo ain’t coming here under almost any conceivable circumstances and not just because it is Toronto (team will not be good enough to lure a FA here over other cities). It is just not going to happen.

by McGateway on Jul 26, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you new here then?

by dhackett1565 on Jul 26, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya it was just an example. but you never know maybe the raptors look more attractive next year then they do this year. Harrison barnes potential arrival could convince a few free agents to come north of the border.

by raptors_run_the_show on Jul 26, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jumping the gun a little bit? Alot of things have to take place for the Harrison Barnes scenario to come to fruition. It’s a little bit far-fetched to even talk about it at this point.

by HDave on Jul 26, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

There is no chance that Carmelo Anthony comes to Toronto unless it is in a trade.

by DW19 on Jul 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Banks has a guaranteed contract. You can’t cut him, you can only trade him. Unless their is some team with cap space that is dying to acquire Banks then the Raptors won’t be saving any money by signing Brown.

by DW19 on Jul 26, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was going on the assumption that they were moving Banks before the season began. Obviously there is no savings if they keep Banks and then sign Brown.

by McGateway on Jul 26, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha…. there’s no way they are trying him out at the 2. He was covering his accidentally leaving him out of the list of PGs, because he is totally irrelevant. The coaches have clearly already written him off as trade ballast or 15th man. Don’t read into it.

by dhackett1565 on Jul 26, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is

exactly what I thought when I read it to.

he was trying to cover his ass because he forgot about him

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jul 26, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

More on Banks

I got the feeling during the interview that Hughes’ answer about “only having two point guards” meant they were looking to move Banks asap, and he wasn’t in the team’s picture at all.

Then, when I followed up on this, he tried to sort of say “well, he’s there too, but we might use him in another way.”

Yeah right…I’d say he and Evans are out by training camp.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jul 26, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice article

Thanks for the article guys. It sounds like Hughes is really passionate about developing young players. With the next few years being a building process for the Raptors he is a good guy to have in the organization.

If Hughes was making the call I guess B. Brown would already be written into the training camp roster in ink.

by DW19 on Jul 26, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Super passionate, in fact, now having spoken with him extensively, and having watched him work the draft picks out over the years (he leads the pre-draft workouts when prospects come in for a look), I think he does a fabulous job. I didn’t get into his background, but he’s had great experience working with NBA pros like Gary Payton.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jul 26, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, if the Raptors could ever get their hands on a guy with Gary Payton’s defensive skills, confidence and shot making…..

by DW19 on Jul 26, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

trade looming?

maybe Eric Hughes revealing of an open point guard spot means a trade is about to happen which involves marcus

by raptors_run_the_show on Jul 26, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

the article

..whoa… thats alot of typing…

by Jenge on Jul 26, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep – we did the piece on a Saturday and it took me a good chunk of Sunday to transcribe it ha ha.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jul 26, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you not love Kevin Durnant!?!?

I know this is a bit off topic, but thought this was interesting and encouraging as a basketball fan.Here’s a recent quote from KD. I love everything about this kid, especially in the context of the nonsense we witnessed this summer. I especially like what he said regarding all this “global brand” foolishness…

“When I came into the league, I always said I wanted to be on one team my whole career. You never know what will happen. But at the same time, that’s what I feel like I really want to do. I love my team (in Oklahoma City). I feel like we’re moving in the right direction. And so I just wanted to get the deal done. … It would be cool for most people to know who the Oklahoma City Thunder are. That’s what I’m about. I really don’t care about my global brand or anything like that. I just want to come out here and be the best player.”

by MAS11 on Jul 26, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

That's pretty cool

My respect for KD just shot through the roof.

by Posterized on Jul 26, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great attitude

Does this guy have an equally talented brother coming out in next year’s draft? ;)

by DW19 on Jul 26, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing’s changed my opinion that Portland should have taken him first overall…never understood the Oden pick.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jul 26, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone ever did.

by dhackett1565 on Jul 26, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do, Oden is damn good while healthy (ranking 8th in PER). Of course, that is the big problem, since he’s missed about 2 full seasons out of 3 and the associated development you’d expect from that much court time.

by bigweeze on Jul 26, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't the sample too small to make miningful statements about Oden?

if I were to play 5 min in the NBA and I got luck I may have a high per myself

by renato on Jul 26, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s played parts of two seasons (82 games total) at a high level.

I know it isn’t a huge body of work but given what we knew about him coming into the league, that was the expectation. So I’m inclined to believe it was real performance, not him playing over his head.

I wonder if we can trade a healthy Bargs for him, that would be interesting.

by bigweeze on Jul 26, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The longer Oden stays injured the more likely that trade would be to work. Unfortunately, the only thing worse than a centre who can’t play help defence is one who can’t play at all.

For Oden’s sake and the Blazers I hope he gets his career back on track. It would be nice to have another legit contender out west to spice things up a bit.

by DW19 on Jul 26, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are absolutely right. Despite Oden’s lost seasons, the microfacture surgery, the uncertainty if he will ever be a consistant contributor in the league, Portland turns that trade down… What does that say about Bargs?

If possible, I would take the chance and do that deal (bargs for Oden straight up) if I were the Raptors.

by MAS11 on Jul 26, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

While I personally would have selected Durant

It was by no means the slam dunk choice at the time. Oden was a true Centre who dominated College basketball as a freshman with literally one hand (played with an injured wrist all season and even was forced to shoot free throws left handed as a result). The team also already had a group of talented players at the wing positions at the time (Roy, Webster, Outlaw et al). Again, probably not the right pick, but there was a heated debate at the time who really was the #1 pick that year. Just feel bad for Portland… First they passed over Jordan with the top pick, then Durant. Ouch…

by MAS11 on Jul 26, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Revisionist history at the HQ strikes again!

Uh, Oden wsa the consensus #1 pick, if not by a long shot, by a little. The only reason why it was close were the injury worries. Otherwise everyone was expecting Oden to be the next Shaq. When he was healthy last season, he showed some real promise, I feel for the guy.

Walker McKenna

by Robert Archibald on Jul 27, 2010 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except for the lost photograph

by bigweeze on Jul 27, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally feel for the guy too but in no way did I ever think he should be the pick over Durant:

http://www.raptorshq.com/2007/6/29/1116168/4-am-draft-thoughts

That’s from our archives…4 AM post-draft at that ha ha!

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jul 27, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think oden was a very talented big man he just got unlucky and got injured

by raptors_run_the_show on Jul 26, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unlucky? There were serious injury concerns at the time of his drafting – his skill was never in question – his health always was. The big question when he was drafted was, will his body hold up in the NBA?

Durant was considered about his equal in talent (maybe slightly lesser), but with no injury concerns, and in an NBA driven by wing players, he should have been the consensus #1.

by dhackett1565 on Jul 26, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

His injury concerns had to do with his WRIST. There were no prior issues with his knees/legs. To say that someone should have seen 2 whole seasons missed due to leg injuries is ludicrous. Oden was a healthy player with a prior wrist injury that everyone expected he would put behind him.

by HDave on Jul 26, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree a bit – having watched him extensively at Ohio State, he just didn’t lok fluid, and I worried that he was going to have leg injuries early in his career. I actually thought he’d have foot problems first though, so, yeah, impossible to totally know. But the warning signs were there. As Sportsguy put it: “he walked like an old man.”

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jul 26, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha! Gotta take Sportsguy’s “medical opinions” with a grain of salt as even he fully admits that he has had a man crush on Durant since his Texas days. However one interesting physiological oddity that I learnt from reading Sportsguy’s columns is that as a result of the pre-draft medicals, it was discovered that one of Oden’s legs was significantly longer than the other. Which I suppose could have been a red flag for any GM holding the #1 pick. That and the fact that he looked 43 and could have passed for LeBron James father at the time. LOL

by MAS11 on Jul 26, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the warning signs were minor and almost every athlete will have them
I remember seeing Durant in collage and I thought he was to lanky for the NBA but man was I wrong. Point being every athlete has issues when they enter the draft

by raptors_run_the_show on Jul 26, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the end of the day I find it ironic that dhackett and renato who both defend the decision to draft Bargnani over Roy are now condemning Portland for making that same decision. Especially since Oden was the consensus number one pick (outside of the sportsguy).

by McGateway on Jul 26, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobody had roy at number 1 and nobody thought he would be that good i think it was more of a bargs vs rudy debate

by raptors_run_the_show on Jul 26, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was more of a Rudy Gay Vs. Aldridge debate from what I remember. I think the only contingent that had Bargani as the #1 pick was the Raptors’ (ehem)“brain trust”. It was conversation centred around Gay, Aldridge and then late mentions for Tyrus Thomas during LSU’s tournament run… until Toronto got the pick. Then, out of nowhere Bargani was in the discussion mainly due to Colangelo’s intimations.

by MAS11 on Jul 26, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t recall ever defending the actual decision. I am simply of the opinion that Roy is not who Bargs should be compared to, as the consensus picks were Gay, Aldridge, and as MAS11 pointed out, Thomas towards the time of the draft.

by dhackett1565 on Jul 26, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another guy who may have had Durant was Hollinger.. He does a stat projection of college players and Durant came out extremely high.

by bigweeze on Jul 27, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope OKC develops into a team that beats the 3 amigos is Miami. The potential for a rivalry is huge – and I also think the chance of Durant being better than all those 3 at the end of the day is very real.

by RaptorsAddict on Jul 26, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

from what i remember

adam morrison was the top choice, people were thinking he would be the best player in that draft. aldridge and tyrus were also in the mix to be 1st overall and rudy was somewhat in that conversation too. its unfortunate we got the top pick in the most unknown draft, but lets also not forgot that bargnani was chosen to be the best player in 5 years in that draft from fans. obviously roy would be the top choice now but i dont think andrea was that bad of a pick. just a bad fit on our team.

oh and boston got the steal of the draft with rondo.

by tea time on Jul 26, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

That is correct

Morrison, Aldrich and Thomas were the top three picks. Gay’s stock had fallen by the time of the draft and was in a second tier group with Roy, Sheldon Williams and Foye. Bargs was a bit of an unknown floating somewhere between the two groups.

by cmrm123 on Jul 26, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

not only fans..

Some gms even said they thought bargs would be the better player in 5 years and he had a good rookie year coming in second and arguably should have won it.but everybody knew roy was more NBA ready than most of the guys in the draft. I think the debate was more lamacrus or bargs since people were saying bosh was pushing hard for the raps to draft him since they are friends.would alderidge been that much of a better fit for this team than bargs?

by sherwin316 on Jul 26, 2010 7:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I am a big bargnani fan as I think you all know but even I admit Aldridge would have been a better fit with this team because he rebounds and plays defense

by raptors_run_the_show on Jul 26, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what you are saying is that most people thought Roy was the most NBA ready but had the lower ceiling of the other players?

by McGateway on Jul 26, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just saying what I read from websites and that’s what was written at the time. Right now its still debatable on which player will have a better career when its all said and done but if Roy keeps getting hurt and can’t even finish a full season (which I can’t remember him doing in a long time) we might never find out..but right now it seems like rondo has been pretty much the best player to come out of that draft now.

by sherwin316 on Jul 26, 2010 11:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

not only fans..

Some gms even said they thought bargs would be the better player in 5 years and he had a good rookie year coming in second and arguably should have won it.but everybody knew roy was more NBA ready than most of the guys in the draft. I think the debate was more lamacrus or bargs since people were saying bosh was pushing hard for the raps to draft him since they are friends.would alderidge been that much of a better fit for this team than bargs?

by sherwin316 on Jul 26, 2010 7:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

5 Years?!

What is the statute of limitations on how long we can debate the Bargnani pick? There are a lot of folks who are rewriting history with the benefit of hindsight. Bargs is a solid player from a weak draft, and still hasn’t reached his cieling. I doubt his cieling is seen as high as it once was predicted to be, but I don’t think he has plateaued just yet – we should find out this year.

I also like the way Coach Hughes totally forgot about Banks – I don’t think there is too much to read into it other than just how far down the bench Banks sits. He is an afterthought, but atleast he is an afterthought with a semi valueable expiring contract. That said, I think everyone here was pleased with what he brought off the bench at various stages last year when Jose was hurt.

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by Robert Archibald on Jul 27, 2010 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

wtf

Damn cell phone idk why it posted what I wrote twice ?? Lol

by sherwin316 on Jul 26, 2010 8:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Too bad this forum doesn't run the Raptors

Seems like everyone here would have picked Durant when Oden was the consensus number one. Everyone here did not like the Hedo signing when the pundents were saying that perhaps it might be a year too long but otherwise a very good signing. Everyone here would have picked Roy or Gay when all the mocks were showing Morrison, Aldrich and Thomas as top three. I’m sure hindsight had nothing to do with any of these opinions.

by cmrm123 on Jul 26, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey – it’s 20/20. To not use it would be a crime, methinks.

by dhackett1565 on Jul 26, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish there were teams in the NBA that were owned by there fans i know of some English football teams owned by there fans

by raptors_run_the_show on Jul 26, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that is more common in Germany and France. Also, Barcelona reserves a big chunk of its ownership(51%, I think) for fans/club members and possibly Real Madrid is the same.

I believe that most of the major English clubs are either listed on the stock exchange(Arsenal, Spurs), owned by super-rich foreign interests(Man City, Chelsea) or in debt up to their eyeballs due to foreign takeovers(Man Utd, Liverpool). Maybe some of the also-rans are community-owned.

by DW19 on Jul 27, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be great if the HQ had a time machine that would let the season play out and then we could go back to the beginning and use hindsight to make all the right moves.

by DW19 on Jul 27, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or we could just not make the wrong moves in the first place.

by bigweeze on Jul 27, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck with that. I would be interested to see how a team run by fans would actually perform.

by DW19 on Jul 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

ALLEN IVERSON!!!!!!!

Here’s the issue – maybe the most knowledgable fans would do a decent job.

But the reality is, if that became a reality (I don’t know how it would be done, online voting?), you know the bandwagoners would swell and the decisions would be driven by the masses. AI! Shaq! T-Mac!!!!!!!! Trade for Vince!

by dhackett1565 on Jul 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes because there are so many people looking to add those players to the team. I think you are overstating things a little. Fan ownership probably have no actual say in how the franchise is run day to day. They may have an impact on whether a coach or GM gets fired but more than likely the team will continue to run as it always has.

by McGateway on Jul 27, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Good luck with that. I would be interested to see how a team run by fans would actually perform.”

Right now the team is run by the current GM – I took this to mean that the difference in his scenario would be that the fans would have direct control over decisions made.

Anyway, as much as we tend to disagree on here, with eachother as well as most others, you have to admit that the fans on here are probably 90th percentile in terms of basketball knowledge among Raptors fans. I don’t think most casual fans have the acumen to know what moves make sense and what don’t at all.

Of course, the same could be said for BC every now and again…. :P

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