Sunday Stats - Raptors' Attendance and On-Court Performance
Anyone see Inception yet?
Howland and I and some friends checked it out last night and have to say, it's pretty impressive.
Sure, there are some major similarities between it and the Matrix, and the various "levels" Leo and crew go through seemed akin to my favourite video game of all time, Myst...but talk about some very thought-provoking ideas.
Oh, and a few cool effects.
I woke up this morning still thinking about the movie and its various complexities, but beyond that, how enjoyable a film experience it was. I mean, at its conclusion, the packed theatre broke out in applause, something that I hadn't witnessed since Dark Knight (ironically directed by the same person as Inception.)
It's this idea of "entertainment value" that I wanted to touch on this morning, specifically in regard to the Raptors.
Bryan Colangelo has already noted that he's got an exciting, young team to work with next year, and perhaps that will be enough to keep the fans in the seats. Right now on paper, there doesn't look to be the talent or skill set diversity needed to be a playoff contender, so the hope is that this dynamic and athletic bunch will create enough excitement in terms of the on-court product to help offset that.
Translation: If you're going to lose a good chunk of games, you might as well do it in exciting fashion.
Will this be enough though to keep the fans in the seats?
Last year the Toronto Raptors averaged 17,897 fans per game at the ACC, good for 14th in the league. While indeed this was above the league average, it also marked the lowest average attendance for the team under Colangelo's tenure. Previously the team had hit marks of 18,773 and 19,435, so with the exception of year one, like the team's performance, attendance has been trending downwards.
Under BC, Toronto has averaged 18,591 fans per home game, good enough for 10th best in the league. However since not all arenas are constructed the same size, better to examine percentage of tickets sold on average during that same time period.
That picture isn't quite as pretty, and while a "93% of capacity used on average" metric doesn't sound bad, it's actually not great either, lagging behind almost half the NBA.
And looking at the correlation between attendance and on-court performance, could we expect to see another big drop in "capacity-used" next season?
By examining the lean years prior to Colangelo's arrival where the ACC saw about an average of 17,100 fans per game, you'd have to say this scenario is quite plausible.
That probably too explains why a certain season ticket holder recently told me that Colangelo personally called him and spoke with him for over a half hour, trying to convince him to re-up his season tickets.
In the end, we know that winning fills arenas, and in the absence of Chris Bosh and likely W's, it appears the Raptors and MLSE are being forced to go "all in" on Toronto's young-gunz and hopefully a more exciting brand of basketball than in seasons' past.
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very interesting
you have to applaud the gsw fans for still showing up in losing times
by raptors_run_the_show on Jul 25, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
Yep…and really, Raptors’ fans have been among the best in the league at supporting a team that hasn’t even enjoyed the level of playoff success that G State has recently.
We’ll see if that continues this year…
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jul 25, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We also just farmed an 'A'-List Celebrity -- I'm not bitter about it...
Now that Bosh is attending the Prmiere of Inception at the behest of Leonardo DiCaprio, and being credited at the mastermind-lynchpin behind the Miami Monster – at least I look forward to the following:
a) What Jon Stewart and Colbert will have to say about all of this ‘decision’ stuff (especially Bosh being the ‘man behind the scenes’ who really made this all happen…)
b) Bosh’s new limelight persona and wardobe….
c) at least Toronto fans seem that they can be humble about it all. I think that us treating CB warmly will do good things for this town…
The wardrobe part is really bizarre…I mean, wasn’t his alter ego supposed to be the one dressing like that?
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jul 27, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Raptor Fandom
Personally, I only really started really closely following the NBA once we got the Raptors. As I watched our team develop and grew to know the rest of the league, my knowledge of the reputations of each team grew. That is when watching the game became much more interesting for me, different from the feelings when you play the game.
I must admit though, the best times to be a Raps fan were during the early Vince years. I remember telling anyone that wasn’t a fan already to just watch one game and that they would see at least 3 things that would amaze them. There was real debate whether VC was the best player in the game, even VC-Kobe trade discussions.
Since those days it has been a bit of an exercise in patience. Bosh always seemed like a pro and a great building block – but he wasn’t a player that you could use to convince non fans to watch a game. The team has really lacked heart for quite a while. I think most TO fans want to have a big tough C, dynamic high flying wings and playmaking PG’s. That hasn’t been the make up of our team for a long time, and guys like Hedo, Kapono, Bargnani, TJ, much of the team really – were just hard to like. I never really found Bosh very charismatic either. His nerdy, multimedia branding may have been a good theory but didn’t work for me in practice – even the used car salesman thing. He was a pro and until recently, gave nothing to bash him for – but he wasn’t inspiring by any stretch.
I am hooked on the crack now, and will continue to wait. I hope BC’s can keep adding parts to the team. I even like the Euro concept, so long as we can get a few tough Euros included in the mix. The Young Guns are fun, especially off the court, my only worry with them is that they won’t actually turn out to be as good on the court as we all want them to, though one of them may be an all star someday. Living in Scotland I can’t go to games, but I hope TO keeps lining the pockets of MLSE, it just feels good to think that we have good fans.
Walker McKenna
by Robert Archibald on Jul 25, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
Love reading this...hoopsworld ranked the raps 13th... but the comment is very true and i like it...
13. Toronto Raptors – Even though the Raptors won’t be making the playoffs this season, Bryan Colangelo deserves some credit for the moves he has made this offseason. Ed Davis looked like a man among boys in Las Vegas, swapping Hedo Turkoglu for Leandro Barbosa will give the team cap flexibility in two years, and DeMar DeRozan and Sonny Weems appear ready for increased roles judging by their Summer League performances. Whenever a team loses a franchise player, it’s difficult to rebound the following season. But rather than fielding the leftovers and becoming irrelevant, Toronto will have an identity and young players to build around. They’ll obviously miss Bosh’s production but we’ll be hearing from the Raptors again in a few years once their young talent develops and that’s because Colangelo was willing to make the necessary moves – and admit some of his mistakes – this summer.
Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16915#ixzz0ujBmNIHN
I just don’t buy this unfortunately.
There were two good games from Davis, most of the time he was invisible so not sure where they got “men among boys.” I’d say that fit Dorsey much more.
And aside from moving Hedo, not sure any of the other changes BC had a choice in. Bosh left, Davis fell to them, etc, etc.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
by Adam Francis on Jul 27, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Atleast
this team can sell out tickets when the playoffs are in town. Unlike some other cities I know.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jul 26, 2010 7:37 AM EDT reply actions
What's up with the Jays?
I hope the Raptors don’t follow the Jays gradual downward spiral in terms of interest from Torontonians. I am not a huge baseball fan and I have to admit that the late 90s era Jays were pretty painful to watch. However, I didn’t mind the Ricciardi era. They played .500 ball and had a few players that made the games exciting(especially Halliday when he pitched). This season, I am really enjoying watching a relatively young team(especially the pitching staff) outperform expectations. The team has a young GM in the Presti-Pritchard mold, who is even doing the thing I like best in a baseball organization which is to put together a good farm system and scouting staff (if you don’t have megabucks where else are you going to get your talent from? JP any opinions on that one?) Getting to my main point, the Jays have an “exciting young team” (IMHO), but I don’t see the fans supporting it much. What gives? I don’t live in Toronto, so it is hard to know the pulse on the street. Is it bad marketing? Baseball is not trendy anymore? The recession?
Anyway, I hope that the Raptors can avoid whatever mistakes the Jays have made and keep the fans engaged while they gradually put a new nucleus together.
The trade of Halladay kind of killed the Jays – especially in the perception of the team.
As soon as that trade went through – they were REBUILDING – no way around it. GM recently fired, best player traded away, this is a rebuilding phase. Which I am fine with, but the low attendance has to be expected.
And .500 ball in that division means diddly-squat, unfortunately. Man, I hate the MLB’s playoff sustem SO MUCH. I also hate our team being in the same division as the Yanks and Red Sox, but, whatever.
by dhackett1565 on Jul 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think your points are spot on. Being in the same division as the Yankees and BoSox wasn’t so bad when you could count on at least one of them to be incompetently run at any given moment. Also, I think expanding the post season has inadvertently created more expectation in fans of their team competing for a playoff spot. Back when only four teams made it you could be more satisfied with your team playing good ball and finishing over .500 because making the playoffs was so hard to do. People focused more on enjoying the season than on making the playoffs(at least that’s how it seemed to me). Anyway, I am getting way off topic.
Interesting topic…maybe one worth discussing with SB Nation’s Jays bloggers later this summer. But you’re right, the Raptors right now appear to be trying that Jays path to a certain degree, although the Jays still have some more “name guys” like Vernon Wells.
Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com
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