Raptors Move to 4-0 in Vegas with Win Over Kings
The Young Gunz continued their outstanding Summer League play yesterday in an 88 to 82 win over the Sacramento Kings...
We all know that Summer League is just that, Summer League.
What happens in Vegas...well...a lot of the time, it stays in Vegas.
That's why guys like Marcus Banks and Salim Stoudamire, both of whom tore up Vegas when they were there, couldn't find the same success when they hit they got to the big time.
So what does a 4 and 0 record say about the Toronto Raptors' entry and the players that make up a squad that's only a win away from an undefeated Summer League session? In some ways, maybe not much as I've discussed before, but in others, a lot. It's the latter that I want to speak about briefly today.
If one were to describe the Toronto Raptors over the past few seasons under Bryan Colangelo, most would probably throw out adjectives like skilled, soft, finesse-based, and other terms like European, jump-shooting and high-scoring would likely be used as well. Fans clamored for more defense, more athleticism, more shot-blocking ability, etc, etc, and yet Colangelo was content to add Hedo Turkoglu on top of Jason Kapono on top of Andrea Bargnani.
So isn't watching the Dinos' Summer League team a bit of a bizarre experience in many ways? Isn't this, following my earlier Costanza line of thought, the "opposite" of the NBA version of the Raptors over the past few seasons? Toronto's Vegas club is filled with athletes, shot-blockers, dunkers, rebounders and not too many great jump shooters this side of Michael Roll.
I'll be the first to say that it's great to see.
The hope then is that the best of this bunch, when combined with the more traditional sweet-shooting parent club members, makes Toronto a formidable opponent if not this season, then down the road as some of these nice young pieces continue to develop. And while I haven't been much of an optimist on the site the past few months, I think that given time, this can be the case provided some additional pieces are continuously added.
In yesterday's 88 to 82 win over a tough Sacramento Kings squad, the Raptors were led by DeMar DeRozan's 22 points, 7 rebounds and 3 assists but also got 19 points from Sonny Weems, 19 rebounds from Ed Davis, Solomon Alabi and Joey Dorsey, and oh, those same three chipped in 7 blocks as well with Davis swatting 5 alone.
The Raptors bigs frustrated rookie sensation DeMarcus Cousins into a 5 of 18 performance in which he eventually fouled out, and limited the effectiveness of many of the other top Kings.
Davis in particular was a joy to watch after two fairly invisible outings against the Rockets and Knicks as he showed a knack not only on the defensive end, but a nice touch around the hoop where he poured in 17 for Toronto. I'd like to see some more consistency from the former Carolina big obviously, but hopefully that will come as he gets back into game shape. But the following clip gives you an idea of how valuable he could be to the Raps next year even as a rookie:
Finally, Bryan Colangelo spoke with NBA.com during the game, giving his thoughts on everything from Bosh to Hedo to the team this upcoming season.
I'm not going to break things down, because frankly we've been through this enough lately on the site. There was a lot of PR spinning on the mess that was made the past few seasons, and obviously with the way Toronto has played in Vegas, it was easy to focus on that and the "bright future." That's great, but listening to him speak only served as a reminder to me that this "bright future" came at the expense of things like cap space, and some solid veterans who were either misused or unsuccessfully built around.
In other words, yes, things look great in July obviously, but let's see how things look come November.
Toronto's final game comes later this evening as the Raptors take on the Hornets. We'll be live-blogging it again via the broadband feed as the Dinos hope to finish up in Vegas with a 5-0 record, something that seems inevitable looking at the New Orleans' roster. The team's best two players Collison and Thornton haven't been participating, and the club is 0-4 heading into tonight's match.
Unless guys like DeRozan and Weems sit this one out, I'd say the match will cap off a pretty good run in Sin City.
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Only the Ottoman.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5388290
Maybe it was all that pizza and sprite.
"Turkoglu still needs to pass a physical with the Suns, according to the report"
Wouldn’t that be a kick in the pants (actually probably more like the groin) if he failed the physical and the deal was rescinded.
Guarded optimism and questions
I am very impressed with the way the Raps bigs are playing. They are playing like bigs, they are defensive minded and that is going to have a colossal effect on HOW the Raps play this season. They may not be developed enough yet to actually translate that to wins, but it will be nice to finally have some bigs that can actually intimidate. Ever since Shaq called Bosh RuPaul and there was nothing we could say back, I have been waiting for some real Bigs! The guys are young, but they play right.
I am actually a lot more guarded with my optimism with DeRozan and Weems. I like how DeRozan absorbs contact in his drives, draft reports listed that as one of his qualities but I didn’t see enough of it last year. I worry however that we are putting too much stock in these two wings. Sure they are athletic, but every team in the Assiciation has a couple of uber athletic wings, we just have gone through such a long drought that I worry we are building these guys up too much. Remember, it was only a couple of summers ago that Bellinelli was dropping 50 at summer league but I guess he doesn’t have a cool clique name like ‘Young Guns’. Weems and DeMar are both young and seem to be willing to improve, both have developed their games in the off season but are still have a way to go to match other starting wings in the league.
I am curious what other people’s perceptions are with these two, I want to be convinced but I want objective views and not just homer cheering… Also, it would have been interesting to get a closer look at Collison with all the blog hype, though I am really liking the idea of BC really waiting his next move out and waiting for the best situation to come along before blowing the full exception…
Walker McKenna
by Robert Archibald on Jul 17, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
I know its just SL, but there does seem to be a difference between DD this summer vs last. He just seems more in control and confident. His shot looks smoother. Weems I’m less optimistic about. With his play last year, I expected him to dominate in Vegas. He’s looked good but DD has been better.
Agree fully re bigs. Alabi is a project but I like the way he plays. Contrast him to Whiteside. Yes both can block shots but I like how Alabi took some hard fouls. He looks like he has a much better frame than Whiteside to add muscle. He’s not afraid to mix it up. Davis looked really good. Not sure he will ever be a star but he will be very solid.
Early prediction
For the older school fans out there, I think Ed Davis looks like he could have a career like Otis Thorpe, solid if not spectacular.
Walker McKenna
by Robert Archibald on Jul 17, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Otis Thorpe comparison
As an ‘old school’ fan, I have to say I’d be very happy if Davis turned in a career like Otis Thorpe.
by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jul 17, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Things are Shaping Up
I think its interesting to look at our roster the following way:
Dynamic Wings
Weems, DeRozan
Barbosa, Bellinelli
Low Post
Amir, Kleiza
Bargnani, Ed Davis
Ball Pushers
Jose, Jarrett Jack
Marcus Banks, Bobby Brown
Window Washers & Vacuum Cleaners
Solomon Alabi, Dorsey, Reggie Evans
I’m sure the actual formal team will have a different composition, but for now I was commenting that from the primordial ooze we have some distinct groups of creatures emerging..
..i classified them in BBall terms, but I was thinking more how thery are like pteradactyls, mongooses, cobras and walruseses (shout out to Reggie..lol)
During the NBA TV interview, BC said that the Raps will be “taking a step back”. It’s the first time I’ve heard him say something remotely like that.
DD gets it
Another reason I think he has a bright furture..he’s been workin on his game and its showing..reading realgm interview they did with him. He’s saying playing in summer league was a no brainer and even tho he’s playing against summer league players his gam has improved..he’s averaging 21 points, 4 rebounds while shootin 40% from 3 pt land..this kid gets it.
by sherwin316 on Jul 17, 2010 6:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is a consistent pattern
As a player, he seems to be very conservative. That is, he plays very much within his self-perceived limitations. That was his pattern in college where he started slowly and then came on once he gained confidence in what he was doing. With the Raptors, you could see the improvement in his game as the season went on.
Playing in the summer league, he knew he should dominate, and he did, showing new skills and confidence.



















