Top Priorities - Leadership
The deficit of losing Anthony Parker was something that couldn't really be measured, but it's been a scary trend when it comes to the Raptors. Since their 2006-2007 team, the Raptors have been leaking one asset they once had an abundance of. Vicious D talks about leadership and how its absence has affected this team.
For all of his time here, we've heard about how much of an influence Anthony Parker has been in the locker room. It's not surprising that the Raptors were looking for answers and turned to leadership. After all, leadership has been one of the areas where I thought the Raptors would be hard-pressed to make up. For all of Chris Bosh's talent and his ability, he just didn't quite have that leadership role down pat. I know that he would argue otherwise, but powerful leaders give you a feeling that they're taking control. It's a point that I had asked people like Jose Calderon about earlier in the year, but it seemed to be something of little concern. And yes, I did use Anthony Parker as a prime example of a leader that they would have to look to replace.
It's really too bad that it wasn't until after the season was over that anyone acknowledged that deficit.
And while Bryan Colangelo did great in his first year to acquire and supplement the leadership the Raptors already had in place, they've been leaking leadership like a rusted out '94 Corolla leaks out coolant ever since.
Put it in this way, the Raptors have gained and lost the following "leaders" during the Colangelo years:
Arrived in 2006: Jorge Garbajosa, Anthony Parker, TJ Ford, Rasho Nesterovic, Darrick Martin
Left in 2007: Jorge Garbajosa, Morris Peterson
Arrived in 2007: None
Left in 2008: TJ Ford, Rasho Nesterovic, Darrick Martin
Arrived in 2008: Jermaine O'Neal
Left in 2009: Jermaine O'Neal, Anthony Parker
Arrived in 2009: Rasho Nesterovic, Jarrett Jack, Reggie Evans
I know that that list was pretty arbitrary, but there's no denying that the Raptors have lost a lot of strong personalities; personalities who have kept the team together, on message, in focus, and have even acted as de facto coaches at times. Heck, I think I'm being pretty generous saying that Reggie Evans is a "leader" on this team.
My point is, what made the 2006-2007 team so effective was having so many mature heads on the court who had a lot of basketball experience. These mature heads with their high basketball IQ taught the young'uns where they needed to be, how to act, and how to play ball. Those guys just don't seem to be around anymore.
Exasperating things even further is just how little Chris Bosh seems to have left any kind of imprint on the Raptors.
You can argue a lot of things about our departing captain, but one of the worst things about Chris Bosh in his final year as a Raptor is that I have never seen a leader look more despondent about his role than CB4. Always talking about how tired he was talking about the same issue, Chris Bosh chose to lead by example by dominating on the court putting up great numbers. People might say that this was a prime example of Chris Bosh asserting his leadership qualities.
I'd say that it's a prime example of Chris Bosh asserting his superstar quality.
But leadership?
When I think about leaders playing Chris Bosh's position, I look at guys like Kevin Garnett, or Shane Battier who seem to leave an imprint on every single player on the floor. These guys simply don't let others take plays off and they also never really give up on their team, something that I've felt from CB4 a lot this previous year; none more so than in the final stretch where we didn't really see him publicly support his team until the final game.
It's why I'm looking at our roster, how it's laid out, and looking at Bryan Colangelo and wondering where did his blueprint from 2006-2007 go? The Raptors are now looking to become one of the youngest rosters in the entire NBA by the end of summer, and I don't see a whole lot of strong personalities who will imprint themselves on this team.
Save one.
Jarrett Jack has just continued to amaze me all through the summer. By coming in to work with the young guys and continuing to be a presence with the organization in the off season, Jarrett Jack seems to be taking the reins of this team full of wild horses. Jack has been a presence in the ACC during the rookie camps in order to get a head start with developing chemistry between his teammates. To me, this says a lot about his character and what he is trying to do with the Raptors. It's this kind of leadership that we've seldom seen from this team and it's much needed.
It's that kind of leadership that we have to build on.
It's why when you ask me about what kind of player the Raptors should spend their $14.5 Million trade exception, I think Bryan Colangelo has to find a Battier-type of player with that money. The Raptors are a young team that will need to be led by strong personalities. It's players like Kevin Willis and Charles Oakley who nurtured our youthful core in the past, and it's that kind of player that the Raptors are in desperation to find moving forward. These are the kinds of players who will work to protect our future investments and help to guide them to become long-term productive players. It's why guys like Shane Battier and Jerry Stackhouse are so instrumental to competitive teams who have no real "franchise player". Even the recent acquisition of a guy like Leandro Barbosa is a good start in filling some of this leadership void and will ultimately help to accelerate the growth of players like Sonny Weems and DeMar DeRozan.
However, there's no reason for Bryan Colangelo to stop here.
Here's hoping that this is just the start of Bryan Colangelo's hunt for experienced leadership to help guide what's becoming a skilled, young, core.
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Leadership
is such an abstract quality I don’t think you can always just say, hey that guy has it, I want it, so we’ll add him to the team.
I like that you mentioned Martin, because while I didn’t like seeing him on the floor, I always thought he was a team leader. Explaining things to young guys, helping them when they went wrong etc etc. And yet did anyone expect that from him going into his career here? I don’t remember anyone saying “hey that Darrick Martin guy will be a good leader for this team”
Some players ooze it (Billups, Fischer, Garnett), but almost all players, who become leaders, grow into it. I think we currently have two players that are showing signs of it Jack (wanting to help the young guns, work with them etc.) and Jose (always pull guys aside in games, talking to them on the sidelines, explaining mistakes in plays they run etc).
I don’t think its anything this team will need over time (if we can keep these guys together), and I don’t think just looking for it in a FA will mean this team will have it.
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jul 16, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions
Jarret Jack Misinformation
“Jack is going so far as to play in the summer league in order to get a head start with developing chemistry between his teammates and has been a presence in the ACC during the rookie camps.”
Jack is infact not playing in summer league. He has been in Las Vegas but as a voice on the nench…not as a player.
I’m not sure where this has came from as there has been a summer league roster list release and simply watching a game would confirm that JJ never stepped onto the court.
yeah, sorry. At the time I wrote this, they were saying that he was going to play the summer league. It’s been about a week and a half since I wrote this and missed that.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jul 16, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Jarret Jack vs Chauncey Billups
just looking at their stats – seeing very similar numbers during the first 5 years of their career
the first 5 years were both of them being bounced around teams, big minutes sometimes, small minutes other times, so lets just jump to year 5
Billups 01-02 (playing with KG in minni)
28.7 / 42% / 39% / 2.7 / 5.5 / 12.5
Jack 09-10 (playing with bosh)
27.4 / 48% / 41% / 2.7 / 5.0 / 11.4
Now – this is about as close as you get to compare apples to apples – both players had been bounced around various teams, averaging between 20-30min each year.
both found themselves in their 5th year playing with a 20-10 power forward all-star, both played al 82 games splitting time with another PG.
Billups started 54 games, Jack started 52.
It’s a really interesting comparison. I know a lot of people have discounted Jack’s ability to be a starting PG in this league, but i really do see a lot of Billups in him, and Jack last year was a more efficient scorer as well.
So on this leadership talk, we can look at our PG and have a legitimate Chauncey 2.0 – one of the best leaders and champions in the league today.
Excellent breakdown.
The numbers and career ark paralells are really interesting when you compare side-by-side especially in the Bosh/Garnett context. I’ve always thought Jack was underrated, definately can be a full time starter and is a relative steal at 5 mil per.
His actions this summer, the way he has expressed dedication to this franchise and to his teammates is really encouraging.
OK - humor met
Okay – now it gets a bit crazier when you look at the 2002-2003 pistons (Billup’s 6th year) roster which included all young guys by the names of
(23) Memet okur – bargs
(24) Rip Hamilton – weems?
(22) Tayshawn prince – derozan?
(27) Ben Wallace – Amir?
(25) Billups – jarret jack
It’s a TOTAL reach but all these guys were young back then. We obviously don’t have the sharpshooter of rips caliber in derozan or the defensive ability of Wallace in Amir, but the ages are interesting and their roles match up a well. Just interesting parallels!
LOL
A bit of a stretch on a few of the comparisons, but I’m with you , I’m with you… : )
i just ordered new seasons tickets
i’m not just drinking the kool-aid – i’m pouring the water and mixing it!
OKAY - ONE MORE PARALLEL
FROM WIKI
Billups was signed by the Minnesota Timberwolves as a back-up to then Point guard Terrell Brandon. Billups replaced the often-injured Brandon and had a breakthrough 2001–02 season.
sound familar?
For all of KG’s “leadership” skill, how did Minny do?
I’ve coached teams with a team of solid leaders who were decently skilled and had a so-so season, and I’ve coached teams with head cases who were uber talented and have won. As much as I prefer coaching the solid kids, I like winning too.
Agreed. I disagree that what this team should be using the Trade Exception on is a “leader”. This team has a MASSIVE talent deficit after the departure of Bosh and the TE should be used to fill that void. In fact, if BC can’t use this TE to get a Boarderline All-Star or a tue alpha dog, I don’t think he should use it at all, unless it’s to somehow aquire draft picks (i.e. take on a bit of salary in order to recieve picks a la OKC). For me it’s use the TE to put a legitimate winner on the court or start the tank process, start Amir, Bargani, Kleiza, DeRozan and Jack, get the young guns significant minutes and win the corresponding 25 games.
Oh and by legitimate winner I don’t mean 42 and 42, 8th playoff seed potential.
I'll have a little Sam Presti, please and thank you.
I much prefer the idea of renting out that cap space for picks to trying to get a borderline all-star.
by RaptorsAddict on Jul 16, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but his best year in Minny was also with Leaders
But at the same time, his most successful year was when he had guys like Sam Cassell and Darrick Martin. Even a guy like Latrell Sprewell, with all his faults was on that last successful Minnesota team and was a guy who had some presence and playoff experience.
Kinnon "Vicious D" Yee
Author - RaptorsHQ.com Twitter @RapHQVicious
by Raptors HQ - Vicious D on Jul 16, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Bargnani = neither a leader or a follower
This is not a criticism just a statement of fact. We’ve been talking about Bargnani’s legendary caliper test results off and on since he joined the team. If I understood correctly he is supposedly not bothered by pressure because he doesn’t care much about what other people think and he forgets about things as soon as they are over. That is great if you need to get a good individual performance out of a guy, but not useful in a leader.
My point is this: Bargnani is likely to be the team’s leading scorer this year and quite likely their first option on offense and he may even progress in his defensive abilities. However, I don’t think Bargnani has either the inclination or the attributes to be a leader on the team. He will just continue to show up, do his job and then go home.
As long as Bargani is the team's "franchise player"...
…and that’s using the term “franchise player” in the loosest of interpretations, this team will neve be a winner/contender. I hope BC realizes this.
You’re probably right, unless there is an import of talent, Bargani will probably up his offensive production as their is no other real options on this roster and the Bargani supporters will say “told you so, look at Bargani, he’s averaging 22 points a game!” However, what they will fail to mention is that he will still averag only 6 or 7 boards, not be able to pronounce “rotate” nevermoind know how to do it on defense and the Raptors will win less than 35 games…
Assuming Calderon is moved, Andrea’s complete lack of help defense shouldn’t be nearly as glaring this year, since our perimeter defense should be vastly improved. Weems and Derozan should both be better with the experience they gained last year. Klieza should be a huge defensive upgrade over Hedo, and while Jack isn’t great, he is better than Calderon. Not to mention the fact that Johnson is a very good help defender and he should be seeing alot of minutes beside Andrea.
Having a big man that is as poor a defender and rebounder as Bargnani will ALWAYS hurt you. Poor defense of a perimeter player is far easier to cover up than a big man’s. At least Calderon makes others around him better. Bargnani simply doesn’t.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
not always
lets not forget Dirk is a terrible defender
Actually, Dirk isn’t a terrible defender. He’s actually a half decent team defender and an adequate man-to-man defender. Plus, he’s an average rebounder.
Tim W.
The Picket Fence
Not sure I follow you there
Andrea is a way better M2M defender than Dirk
Dirk is about as good as A (sarcasm) on help D
Dirk is a better scorer at this point
Dirk is a better rebounder
Note that Dirk has always plaid PF besides a big defensive C and still will as they managed to steal a young defensive C from the Raps. Andrebesi so far has plaid besids a terrible devensive PF who does not get ripped on this board because he was a good rebunder.
franchise player
We had a franchisr playa….but he wasn’t a leader .points and rebounds dont equal leadership.never has never will……Bargs is who he is :) like him/dont like him,you know what you are getting,and I dont think I can remember him ever saying the team must be built around him.unlike some other players have…..
Time to step up
No more bowing to Bosh. He can step up a little in that leadership role. At least become more vocal.
Now I am not expecting a breakout year for the Italian, numbers maybe a little higher in all categories, but look for him to take a bigger role.
Wanna darkhorse leader, or two. Weems and DeRozan do not lack confidence. I know they are young but I like their cockiness.
What if we can't find a trade for Jose?
If we can’t find a trade partner for Jose, I am petrified that Colangelo is going to deal Jack. It’s not that Jack is a great player, but he’s clearly emerged as the leader of the new core (Derozan, Weems, Johnson, etc.), and Jose may actually be a better basketball fit with this group, I think Jack will be a more effective leader and given the efforts he’s gone to this summer to show that he wants to be here and be the leader, I don’t think it sends the right message if you move him.
Jose is a decent leader in his own right, but I question whether he can relate to the younger players the way Jack will.
IMO Calderon is 100% gone , BC said in 2 of his interviews yesterday that there is alot of interest in Calderon and i think he is just taking his time & going over the options , if BC can trade Araujo & Turk he will trade Calderon. To us he seems like a expensive contract but to a team that is close to winning it all Calderon could be a good pick up , he can be a 50% FG , 40% 3PT & 90% FT when healthy and the fact he rarely turns the ball could be huge to a team like the Lakers for example who could hide his bad defense.
Acronym for RAPTORS = RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally
by RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally on Jul 16, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Calderon is movable, but it’s a question of what we’re going to get back. The Chandler/Diaw return set the bar pretty high, and I just worry that if somebody doesn’t come forward with a similar offer, and someone does for Jack, that BC will move Jack.
I hear ya the bar is high , i would be happy if we received a first round pick and a young prospect. I think that the Charlotte deal not going through was a blessing in disguise , it would have take min away from the young bigs & Weems @ the SF. Getting from under the contract is most imp. , anything we get is a bonus. I dont think Jack is going anywhere for the reason above , he is a good leader to the young guns. and i cant see BC getting a deal for Jack that will blow is mind. He is more imp. to he Raps then he would be to anyone else.
By the way BC is talking lately he is in rebuild mode and is looking to get younger and wants cap flex. for the near future.
Acronym for RAPTORS = RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally
by RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally on Jul 16, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people had the failed trade as a masterful deal. But it was only a particularly good deal if we were a playoff team. Neither Diaw or Chandler likely would’ve been here long-term anyway, and would have been stealing minutes from youngsters who need them more as you say.
Agree with you both, but...
I definitely think not getting them was good for those same reasons (i.e. development of youth, increasing our odds of not winning the lottery, etc.), but I really think Chandler and/or Diaw would have been trade bate for youngsters/picks sooner than later.
by RaptorsAddict on Jul 16, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
CALDERON
I am not worried about waiting around with Calderon’s contract.
1. We don’t have to trade him NOW to get the best deal;
2. He’s a great guy to have around the locker room;
3. Who is going to throw all those alley-oop passes to Amir, DeMar and Sonny? Sure you can name a few name – but who does it best?
4. I don’t mind over-paying for the best back-up point guard in the league. Here is a guy who we can turn into a trade chip at our leisure – and enjoy the benefits of having him around in the meantime.
5. Hopefully his lack of defense won’t be as much of an achillies heel to the next reincarnation of the team…. so sit back and relax…. I couldn’t think of a better guy to be ‘stuck with’…
but Calderon not even the best at that
he’s useless on this team , have been sine ford left , and he still haven’t earn the hype i never gave him, he suck , he has no heart , that’s why MJ didn’t wont him , i say again , if the man wasn’t on the raptors he would still be in Europe
by Real raptors fan on Jul 17, 2010 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Hitler Finds Out Chris Bosh Signs With Heat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJtwjrEKcLM
LOL
Acronym for RAPTORS = RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally
by RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally on Jul 16, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
An funny fantasy scenario came up during a discussion over a night of beers: Both VC and TMac start to wonder what it would have been like if they had both stayed with the Raps and been one of the first dynamic duos in the east. So, now they want to try it.. in TDot. VC gets himself traded to the Raps, and TMac signs for a MLE.
How good could Tmac and VC have been if TMac didn’t bolt? Would the Raps have seen themselves in the finals?
I think
if TMac stayed and Vince stayed, and they both actually tried night in and night out, you would have seen the 2nd coming of MJ and Pippen.
If they stayed and played their careers like they did you would have seen a perennial playoff team with maybe an appearance in the finals. (depending on who else was around)
by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jul 16, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The roster would have been:
Alvin @ PG, VC @ SG, TMac @ SF, Oak @ PF, AD @C
Bench: Mo Pete, Dell Curry, Chris Childs, JYD, Tracy Murray, Keon Clark.
The east rep in the finals that year was Indiana Pacers: Miller, Rose, Bender, Smits, Dale Davis, Perkins, Foster, Harrington.
They would have made the finals in 2001
That was the year we lost in game 7 to Philly in the second round (who could forget). With Tmac, we beat Philly, face Milwaukee in the Conference Finals and beat them.
We then face the lakers in the finals and get swept.
The year Indiana made the finals, Tmac was on our team; it was the last year of his deal. We lost in the first round to the Knicks despite being the favourite. This was due, in no small part, to Vince Carter laying the mother of all choke-jobs on us (who could forget that either).
Side Note
SO we signed Kleiza for 5mil/yr and brewer signs in Chicago for 4mil/yr does this mak sense should we not have gone after Brewer instead? Isn’t Brewer a better player than Kleiza, in my mind I think he is a way better athlete with way more upside.
Just curious.
For all we know , we went after Brewer and he didnt have any interest, Chi is a playoff team & TO is in rebuilding mode. Kinda like the Bosh situation he gets the same money and is playing for a contender.
Acronym for RAPTORS = RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally
by RapsAreProbThinknOfRebuildingSeasonally on Jul 16, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/07/nj_nets_the_rod_thorn_chronicl.html
From Rod Thorn on his last day:
Here’s the last of those untold stories that are too good to save, because it’s one of those history-turning-on-a-mystery deals, and proves that Tim Walsh was the real hero of the ’04-05 season.
Everyone remembers that season finale at Boston, which the Nets had to win to get the No. 8 seed. Second quarter, down big, Vince Carter was kicked in the back of his leg, went down like he was going to die, and he limped off for the locker room.
"I’m watching the game from the locker room … and here comes Carter," Thorn recalled. "And you know Vince – ‘Oh, my God, I’m dead!’ Timmy is right behind him, he got him out in the hall, and he’s making him do stuff in the hall. And Vince wants to come in the locker room, but Timmy won’t let him in the locker room. I mean the guy was dead.
"The next thing you know, he’s back out there like nothing happened."
The Nets, as you remember, rallied in the second half (thanks, Doc) and made the playoffs. But if the league’s best trainer didn’t have the sense to pull the door shut and tell VC what time it was ("You’re fine, and now it’s time for you to be a hero," someone heard out in the hallway), Carter may have taken his shoes off and called it a season.
Sometimes I think people make this kind of stuff up – but in VC’s case I am going to believe it….
Something really bad happened to that kid…… and this is either before or after his gigantic ‘bubble’ burst….
It was painful watching him play for Orlando this post-season. I wonder what stories will come out of his Orlando Chapter when he leaves what is his ‘home town’ for greener pastures….

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