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Who is Ed Davis?? - A Complete Look at the Newest Raptor

After a much-needed two-day break from draft talk, Franchise returns with a look at the 13th overall pick from last Thursday, Mr. Ed Davis.

Star-divide

I've started writing this piece about 10 times in the past hour or so.

Ideally, I would have launched right into a closer look at Toronto's newest Raptors, however the chaos that overwhelmed the city the past two days has admittedly pushed sports talk to the back for a minute.

We've never used RaptorsHQ as any sort of a vehicle for political views etc, and I'm not about to start now, but I hope our Federal and Provincial government politicians take a good luck in the mirror thanks to the mess they made this weekend.  This was a disgrace regardless if you're for G20, against, or don't care either way.  You knew this type of violence and destruction was not only possible, but fairly certain to occur, so why in hell they decided it was a good idea to hold the summit in downtown Toronto of all places, is beyond me.  I mean, was Isiah Thomas running the show folks?  Mayor David Miller and the Municipal government were against this plan from day one and if there's ever a time to say "I told you so," it's now, to the extent that I hope Miller seeks reparations from the province and beyond.

There was simply no need of this and while there was a ton of analysis ready to be conducted regarding Toronto's recent draft acquisitions, you'll excuse if me if I just didn't have the stomach for it.  The LeBron-a-thon, the draft, and everything else just sort of melted into the background.

However snapping me back into Raptor-reality after this two-day diversion thankfully were the readers.

In fact, I found it quite amusing that numerous readers hit me up via email or on Twitter, asking how, as as a Duke fan, I was going to cheer for a North Carolina guy in Ed Davis.

Simple.

I'm not.

I'm going to booo him as if he were Vince Carter and Alonzo Mourning combined.

Seriously though, the questions made me realize that even though I had seen Davis play a handful of times against my Blue Devils, I really didn't know that much about his game.  The basics, of course, but I wanted to take some time to really look into his game from various perspectives.

A quick search online and shows just how varied the opinions on Davis are for instance.  is he the next PJ Brown or Alan Henderson?  Al Horford or a shorter Tyson Chandler?

In any event, the same types of reads keep coming back to you; great upside, quite raw, and hardly a sure thing.

In fact, it's interesting to note that while Duke players get repped as being "bad NBA prospects" despite being good college players, Marvin Williams, Tyler Hansbrough, Sean May and Rashad McCants haven't exactly been tearing up the league since they were drafted either.

So does that mean Ed Davis is next up on the "bust express?"

Nope, not at all.

However in the following discussion you'll see that this pick could easily go either way.  Let's start with the good.

For one, Davis has some of the best physical attributes in this year's draft.  He's essentially 6-10 (a shade under), 230 pounds with a 7-foot wingspan and a 9-foot standing reach.  He had a 36 inch max vertical at the recent combine, and the fourth best max vertical reach behind only Derrick Favors, Stanley Robinson and Hassan Whiteside.

Put it this way, the kid's gonna block some shots.

Backing this up is the fact that Davis was the fourth best shot-blocker amongst power forwards in this year's class (blocks per 40 minutes) and one of the better overall rebounders pulling down nearly 13 per 40 minutes.

Right there we see some of the potential therefore as at worst, Davis hopefully projects to be an immediate boost on the glass.

So is he simply another Amir Johnson however?

Looking at the two's stats side by side (Davis' last year at UNC vs. Johnson's rookie season) there are some very similar features:

 


Min Pts FGA FG% FTA FT%
Davis 26.9 19.2 11.9 57.8 8.2 65.9 4.1
Johnson 28.2 23.3 13.4 66.9 7.3 72.2 4.1
Def TOT Asts Stls Blks TOs PFs
Davis 5.5 9.6 1.4 0.6 4 2.9 2.6
Johnson 5.5 9.6 1.6 1.2 2 3.2 5

 

These metrics are all per 40 minutes as it was the only basis I could do comparisons on.  You may remember that Amir went straight from high school and therefore I felt his rookie season where he split time between the D League and Pistons, was the best compare.  

While Amir played slightly more minutes and therefore was slightly more productive offensively, Davis got to the line more, was equally formidable on the glass (interesting that they have the EXACT same totals) and was a much more dominant shot blocker.

Again, it's the rebounding and shot-blocking that are of greatest interest however Davis' extremely low foul-rate per 40 minutes is also huge.  Typically, this is the area where rookie big men have the most trouble adjusting (Johnson still struggles in this regard) so if Davis can come into games and not worry about sitting back down immediately this is huge.  Furthermore, since he's not a very efficient offensive player at this stage, he needs to stay out of foul trouble to have an impact at the defensive end.

He's obviously not a great shooter (his true shooting percentage was ok despite a bad FT% simply because he didn't take many outside shots last year) but his ability to get to the free-throw line is very promising.  After all, Toronto's resident king of free-throws, Chris Bosh, only got to the line 7.2 times per 40 minutes coming out of Georgia Tech.

The upside is definitely there then.

We're talking about an extremely active, long, shot-blocking big man, who gets to the line quite frequently and who does a great job finishing around the rim (he finished 78% of cuts to the basket last season.)

However next season, to expect anything outside of what we've just discussed seems like a bit of a stretch.

He's got virtually no face-up game, attempted the fewest jump-shots of any of the power forwards in the current draft class shooting only 29% in spot-up opportunities, and is extremely hesitant to go right offensively considering he's left-handed.

Davis is also not the dominant rebounder one might expect and his 9.6 rebounds per game, while good, pale in comparison to say someone like DeJuan Blair (18 per 40) or even Hasheem Thabeet (13.6 per 40) from last year's class.

In addition, for all his physical tools, he didn't test out that well agility-wise and his wingspan was almost the same as players like Xavier Henry, a good 3, 4 inches shorter than him.

This brings up the concern many have with Davis; like Tyrus Thomas, is he somewhat caught between positions?

To me he seems much more of a 4 than Thomas ever did at LSU, but it's a legitimate concern.  To be an effective 4 at this level he needs to get bigger and stronger, and of course needs to round out his offensive game.

The lack of excelling in any one single area, perhaps aside from shot-blocking, coupled with his offensive woes, probably then explains why John Hollinger's "Draft Rater" was so "down" on Davis.

That being said, when David Berri looked at this year's prospects using his "wins produced" metric, Ed Davis ranked as the fifth best prospect behind names like DeMarcus Cousins and John Wall.

Not too shabby.

So my final verdict?

I think Raptors' fans should be excited about Mr. Davis, regardless of his University affiliation.  He's a project no doubt, but I'd argue much less of one than Demar DeRozan was in many ways, and a player who could easily find himself playing a key role for this Raptors' team next season.

Is that such a good thing for fans or for Davis?

Probably not...

...however if Chris Bosh isn't around, he might not have any choice.

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Hedo

I guess by now you have heard about Hedo’s backpedalling. Better late than never, let’s hope he has learned to count to three before opening his mouth….

by renato on Jun 28, 2010 7:45 AM EDT reply actions  

cut and paste from realgm

basically hedo says, about asking for trade request: whatever i say now can go wrong way, i said that then because it was end of season and eveerythng was still warm… … all i wanted to say is i dont want to play the same SYSTEM toronto has…

i like the city, people and play there… but they used me wrong.. i know my skills and i was screaming all season that people could use me that way…

and guy asked him, if he had talk with coach about it..
hedo says: coach couldnt say much because toronto had their system and hedo was not big part of it…

question: so if toronto has same system would you like to stay and play or ask for trade?
hedo: i dont think they will use same system… this sytem didnt work for both part… also its not up to me to ask for trade, its up to between teams in the league… all i want is play basketball and practicing very hard..

question: if there are changes in team would you like to play in toronto
hedo: of course, i didnt have problem with anyone so far in my career and it wont now on

question:do you think chris bosh will leave?

hedo: i dont think so, bosh is first option in toronto and he wouldnt have that in other team.. of course this is my personal option..

he also talks about he is still upset about nightlife rumors etc… also playing point guard position with jose calderon.. he also said he didnt talk with any team after season.. and also there was question about orlando, he said he made what was best desicion for him and he cant live with past…

by renato on Jun 28, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isiah Thomas running the show

Scary thought, but you may be onto something. it would explain a lot.

by benjibopper on Jun 28, 2010 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

RE: G20

I know this isn’t a political forum…. but I have to say that was the most passive G20 ‘protest’ in recent history (if ever). While there was violence and destruction it was almost nothing compared to what normally happens at those events.

The police need to be given serious respect for showing restraint and not allowing the violent ‘protesters’ to goad them into a serious or more extreme reaction, which would have brought the peaceful protesters into the attempted chaos.

Anyways, you are right though, having the meetings in a major city center is ridiculous. Not to mention the amount of tax dollars spent to have a useless gathering. (seriously the conservatives won’t spend a dime, until they need to show off to the ‘cool kids’)

… and back to ball. Can’t find a reason to complain about the pick. His size makes me nervous (I much prefer the bigs with actual bulk on them), but otherwise the rebounding and shot blocking will be a nice addition.

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 28, 2010 8:36 AM EDT reply actions  

fouls of all kinds

agreed – why downtown Toronto? That said, there are knuckleheads/hooligans who clamor for limelight wherever they can, and they deserve to get whatever comes. Gawkers, well, guilty by association, no surprise.

One comparison you made that needs more emphasis I think, and a glaring weakness of Amir, was fouls. Davis is almost half of Amir, and Amir’s knock was that he always too foul-prone. If Davis is Amir 2.0, with the upgrade being better controlled defence, I’d take that!

by Gerry71 on Jun 28, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll take that for sure.

Long-time readers will probably remember how Howland and I had a 6-6-6 (no, not satanic ha ha) rule in place for Hoffa in his second season. We wanted to see a minimum of six point and six rebounds a game before he got six fouls.

(Wow, reading what I just wrote makes me realize how desperate we were to get SOMETHING from the big stiff!)

So if Davis can come in and be aggressive defensively without constantly having to sit because of foul trouble, that’s huge.

PS – I was hoping the fire department was going to take the hoses to the gawkers :)

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jun 28, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re the stats

Rebound nbrs die Davis are actual 9.6 per gm, not per 40 mins as you state. WHY?

by Johnn19 on Jun 28, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Police respect: Bullshit

I was at the protests on Friday and Saturday and my brother on Saturday and Sunday, and the police created the majority of the “situations.” I saw people shot in the back with rubber/bean-bag bullets as they ran away from cops, I saw plain clothes police infiltrate the crowd to cause running and arrests, and while I wasn’t there last night on Queen, the pictures tell the story when cops are allowed to surround a small group of people when the vast majority of them were residents and peaceful protesters.

If you want to surround the ultra-rich leaders at the convention centre will thousands of cops while they use their unauthorized power to piss away public funds and attack the poor, fine, go ahead, that is the mandate of corporate capitalism and that is why people are protesting. However, why not ask yourself: why were the police inciting violence? Why are people sitting on the road being attacked and beaten? What does this have to do with protecting the security zone? And for what? I am so tired of people calling what happened this weekend “violence.” It was breaking corporate windows and destroying a few cop cars—people did not have nearly the fire power the cops had, and no police were seriously injured or really even attacked by anything more than plastic bottles. I was there right after the break-away groups ran ahead and I can tell you this: no mom and pop stores were hit: in was all banks and major corporations: it was a symbolic act, not a "violent"one.

For you conservatives/red liberals/mainline NDPers out there who like seeing unarmed people have the shit kicked out of them by police in full riot gear, ask yourself this: Blair and his goons managed to enact a law this weekend WITH NO DEBATE OR EVEN AUTHORIZATION FROM THE MAYOR, (who read about it for the first time in the paper), what is next? When a police state is declared temporarily like this, think of the long-term repercussions of limiting freedoms when one group abuses it power to attack another. This is fascism, plain and simple.

Let’s applaud the protesters for defending ALL of our freedoms and showing what democracy really looks like.

by Original Aaron on Jun 28, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I find it ironic that you complain about politicians wasting public funds on one hand while dismissing the destruction of property (which costs money) on the other. It is a little hypocritical to casually dismiss hooliganism but complaining about what a waste of money the entire event is. Maybe I am misreading what you are saying but that is how it came off.

by McGateway on Jun 29, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Political Forum

Dont want to use this as a Political Forum, yet every second reply has been exactly that. and “not about to start now…”too late !!!!

by d279 on Jun 28, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Kinda figured that would happen – my fault here.

No worries, if everyone wants to do a quick sound off then I’m fine with that but we’ll save the debate for things like Hedo now sounding like he wants to make peace.

Gee…couldn’t see that coming…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jun 28, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Check the comment from Renato above, it was a Real GM piece, who I trust about as much as Steven Harper ha ha, so who knows.

Going to discuss it tomorrow but when the story first broke I predicted this would happen – Hedo HAS to take a softer stance because if he really wants out, he needs BC to make the best deal possible for all parties.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jun 28, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are incorrect

I posted a Realgmer translation of a Hedo interview in the local press. I did not check it out as I do not speak Turkish (yet) but a link to the actual interview was available.

by renato on Jun 28, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be the first to make fun of some of the protestors that were in the city. As a friend of mine put it.. I didn’t know 17 year old white males from the burbs were living such a tough life. Most of these kids had no clue even to what they were protesting. The Quebec Hooligans were a different story all together.

However, I will draw the line when the balance between civil liberties and law and order are violated. The use of “Kettling” as an operational technique especially during the conditions is disturbing.

I’ll leave it at that.

by Ustation on Jun 28, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s why I think the art of Basketball scouting is more fun than the other sports. There’s so much more subjectivity.

For example, some of the things I look for are the types of move’s/shots you have for your position. If you’re a big, the quality of a drop step, up and under, spin and step back, hooks. Small, cross over, going either way, fade, ability to switch hands in mid flight, hieght above the rim, and jump shot.

Then there’s passing, from the lane, in transition, being doubled, being covered by smaller or bigger.

Rebounding, hip position, creating separation, proper usage of the elbows, using hook step.

And defence: ability to keep player in front, fighting thru screen rolls, recognizing rotation and weak side help from bigs, maintain vertical, and bball iq. Getting burned on a move and adjusting. How many times do you see a guy drive right, and in the very next play the defender is still giving right? (I know some of that is the coache’s call).

Anyway.. none of this can be captured properly in stats as much as I’ve tried.

by Ustation on Jun 28, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Should I stop holding my breath for all the promised trades?

Everyone last week was saying that there would probably trades before and around the draft. I am starting to think this will be essentially the same team as last year, sans Bosh and adding a couple of draft picks. Little scary but, like you said Franchise “we’re not far off” :P

by PNUTZ on Jun 28, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep

I think any deals that go down happen over the next few weeks but I personally am not holding my breath on Hedo going anywhere. I know BC has said that there is a lot of interest but I just can’t imagine how that’s possible unless the other team is ALSO interested in giving back some terrible contracts etc.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jun 28, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

re Hedo

Colangelo has stated their are a handfull of teams with Hedo interest, but he is not going to make a trade just to dump him, if it does not bring back assets that will contribute positively to his objective of building a winning franchise.

by Johnn19 on Jun 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are some bad contracts that would benefit us like andre iguadala or okafor

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 28, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling there was a good reason the Hedo to Orlando trade conversations were so short. They likely based any trade on a Hedo + 13th pick for long term contracts they weren’t making full use of (Gortat, Bass + others).

There are terrible contracts, and then there are terrible contracts attached to terrible players. I think we will learn the many distinctions in this grey area as offers for Hedo filter in. Have a feeling that we may package some of the proceeds from a Bosh trade along with Hedo to increase the return coming the other way. It’s for this reason that I think sitting tight on Hedo is the right thing to do at the moment. Full steam ahead on charting the trade possibilties for our pgs though.

by Yardly on Jun 28, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHy on earth did you think all the trades would have happened now? Most trades don’t happen until the free agents start signing. Teams don’t know what their needs are until this happens and teams don’t have cap room to work with until then. By this time last year, the Raptors had drafted DeRozan and that’s about it.

by Tim W. on Jun 28, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the logic Tim, all I was saying was that many people associated with the Raptors were saying there were going to be moves made before and around the draft date. Am I the only one who heard this?

by PNUTZ on Jun 28, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think fans know how difficult it is to actually make deals in the NBA. Perhaps the Raptors DID try and make several deals, but things fell through. Besides, it really doesn’t matter when the trades happen.

by Tim W. on Jun 28, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bosh

I’m not sure how much credability there is to the quote that Bosh wants to be the number one on a team but assuming that it were true, then Toronto may be his best option. If he were to sign for 3 years, it would mean that he could still seek out a better “winning” situation at the grand old age of 28.
So, it could be that Bosh ends up staying. For me that is a discouraging thought but what can you do but change the channel.

by RT... on Jun 28, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Starting to hate this free agent stuff already

That being said, it’s here for another week or two so buckle up.

Logically I think Toronto IS the best spot for Bosh if he weren’t talking out of both sides of his mouth…to be the “go-to-guy,” unless he goes to a team like the Nets, who don’t bring anyone else in, then staying with the Raptors makes the most sense.

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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jun 28, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he wants to be the go-to guy in a more prominent b-ball (read American) market.

by benjibopper on Jun 28, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Been saying that for months

In addition to wanting a team built around him, Bosh also wants to build his brand. That means more exposure. Toronto can build a team around Bosh, and have been (pretty unsuccesfully) but we can’t offer the exposure some other markets can. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Bosh will land in New York.

by Posterized on Jun 28, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think bosh should sign the minimum length for a contract and give BC one more chance and if it doesn’t work out then leave.

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 28, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bosh

I’ve been thinking – does everyone recall Bosh recently saying that he was waiting to see where Lebron goes?

I’m thinking Bosh actually means it when he says he wants to be the star – maybe he wants to know where Lebron goes so he can go somehwere else.

For example, if Bosh goes to Chicago, then LBJ signs there, there goes Bosh’s The Man status. Same goes for Wade.

Something tells me we’ll see where Wade and Lebron fall – then see Bosh go somewhere else.

by dhackett1565 on Jun 28, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Clarification: by somewhere else I do include Toronto potentially.

by dhackett1565 on Jun 28, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

if Lebron comes to TO, I guess he would want out…

by renato on Jun 28, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

… if Lebron comes to TO…. right…

by dhackett1565 on Jun 28, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Lebron come to Toronto...

…I’ll change my name from Posterized to Lebron’s bitch.
Just to clarify, I have a severe disliking of Lebron James. In case anybody forgot.

by Posterized on Jun 28, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

For his replacement

Don’t know how it could be done financially with cap and all that but here are few names that may be great affordable replacements for Bosh as Toronto’s number one:
Thaddeous Young
Rudy Gay
Jamal Crawford
Monta Ellis

by RT... on Jun 28, 2010 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

If Colangelo can somehow pull off trading Hedo and Jose, or at least one of the two, then he could fundamentally change the direction this club is headed in.

Until this season, it was predicated on outside shooting, ball-movement and offense.

Now however, with his draft picks and core, he could bring back some athletic, defensive-minded, gritty players.

Will we see that? Something tells me no unfortunately…

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jun 28, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Young might be nice, but I don’t know why you think he’d be a number one option.
A lot of things would have to happen for Rudy Gay to end up in Toronto
Jamal Crawford and Monta Ellis are undersized shooting guards who are basically chuckers and don’t play much defense. No thanks.

by Tim W. on Jun 28, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense

Sorry I was suggesting those names as a poor man’s Kobe or Piece etc. When you look up ratings for best defensive players, Tay Prince, Battier , Artest and Trevor Ariza come to the front. So maybe one from each list, say, Battier and Rudy Gay. Quite a dream eh

by RT... on Jun 28, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

The biggest difference, I believe, between Johnson and Davis is that Davis has a much higher basketball IQ. That’s why he can’t really be compared to guys like Johnson and Tyrus Thomas. Getting a high basketball IQ in an athletic body is rare. If Thomas had the brains, he’d be an All-Star. It’s why Davis was my dream pick and why I was ecstatic when he dropped.

by Tim W. on Jun 28, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s the one piece of the puzzle that I want to hear more about, his basketball IQ. I haven’t seen or heard anything to suggest he’s not got it together in that capacity, but considering his poor spot-up and pick-and-roll metrics via Synergy, I’d love to hear some first-hand info.

Of course, much like Lawal and Favors, Davis hardly had the point guard talent he needed to be as effective as possible in those types of sets, so who knows, maybe we see a whole other side of his offensive game thanks to Jose (a very good passer…assuming he’s around) that we hadn’t seen in college.

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by RaptorsHQ - Franchise on Jun 28, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is exactly why I feel the Raptors need to keep Calderon instead of Jack. Calderon certainly made Johnson look better, and he could do the same for Davis. Big men like Davis, who don’t have offensive moves, but who are smart enough to know where to go, need good passers to score.

As for his basketball IQ, I got most of it from scouting reports, who all seem to be in agreement, and what little I’ve seen him play. And the fact that since he’s the son of an NBA player, he’s been around the game his whole life.

by Tim W. on Jun 28, 2010 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

oh oh

Here we go on the “Jose can’t guard” trail. I can hear the hooves pounding in the distance.

by RT... on Jun 28, 2010 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll start

Dude, Jose can’t guard blah blah blah, lateral quickness blah blah blah, pylon on defense blah blah blah, better off the bench blah blah blah.

Other topics hot off the press, Bargnani is lazy, Hedo sucks, and Chris Bosh may be leaving Toronto.

by Posterized on Jun 28, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The issue for me isn’t his defense it is that he is overpaid and not consistently productive. I realise it is not his fault that he is overpaid but it is what it is. Dumping Calderon is not about dumping him so much as his contract. If there were a way that the Raptors could renegotiate his contract I would be all for keeping him over Jack but considering Jack makes almost half as much as Jose does, I think Jack is the better option.

by McGateway on Jun 29, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need blockbuster trades and thinking outside of the box

Don’t kid yourself. No team wants Hedo at his salary level. BC definitely overpaid for a low to medium level player. I hope BC/Triano do not hand David a starting job like they did to DeRozen. Some competition is definitely good to get the energy and intensity levels up during the games. Without Bosh and despite Bargnani not truly a center, I think we need to play him there and get either one of the two forwards to help out on the weak side defense. Alternatively play Johnson or Nesterovic but then we are back to the Raptors 2-3 years ago without any improvements to show. BC needs to think outside the box and executes some blockbuster trades to do major surgical work to this team without characters.

by Richard L on Jun 29, 2010 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

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