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ESPN.com's Chad Ford is reporting that the Raptors are in serious talks with the Portland Trailblazers about sending the 13th overall pick to the Blazers in exchange for Rudy Fernandez and the 22nd pick.

We'll keep following this story as it develops but if Toronto can do it, (it sounds like Portland is holding out as of now) I say pull the trigger. Yes, I'm a big Paul George fan but the reality is that he could be the next Gerald Green. Rudy is a proven commodity and while not the answer, I'd argue is a better fit at the 3 than Hedo.

(And as an aside, this should signal the end of the Ottoman empire.)

If Toronto can come out of this draft with a player of Fernandez's caliber AND a later first-round pick (which could be used on an upside player like Sanders, Alabi or Ebanks), then to me this is a big success.

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Whiteside

DraftExpress is showing Whiteside going 23rd so maybe he would be available at #22.

So if BC can turn the #13 into Whiteside and Fernandez that wouldn’t be too bad. Though I am not that high on Fernandez whole while athletic and a decent 3 point shooter doesn’t have much else positive about his game including his less than stellar defense.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions  

that'd be my best-case scenario

Whiteside reminds me a lot of a young Marcus Camby—in a good way. To come out of the draft with Whiteside and Fernandez would be amazing.

I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.

by grantmp on Jun 24, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm of two minds about this potential scenario

On one hand, I’m not completely sold on any of the prospects available at No. 13. The opportunity to acquire a proven 25-year-old player while still being able to grab a project big at No. 22 is appealing. You’re also talking about a player heading into his third season (which is typically a breakout year for NBAers).

On the other hand, Fernandez is yet another defensively-challenged pylon. He’s also terrible shooting two-pointers outside the basket area (think of him as a Spanish Desmond Mason). It will basically be 3’s and alley-oops or bust with Rudy.

But considering how terrible this team is going to be next season minus Chris Bosh, BC might as well roll the dice with Fernandez, hand him the 30+ minutes per game that he wasn’t getting in Portland, and see what happens.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel the same way.

Do I LOVE Rudy?

No.

But why not take a sure thing AND still get to roll the dice on an upside player? Rudy is a pylon, but I think less of one than Hedo and I think he’ll take a step forward outside of Roy’s shadow.

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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

rudy fernandez is not a sf

i say no, he’ll just be playing behind derozan and weems and sit on the bench with marco. he does nothing to solve any of the raptors problems. just another 3 point shooter with dunking abilities. i would be soooooo f*in upset if this happen.

if you do this BC i will seriously……

cry

by tea time on Jun 23, 2010 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

if aldrich drops to 13

pick him. defensive big for a change. and if possible try to swoop another pick for either bradley/bledsoe, damion james, or daniel orton, or larry sanders

by tea time on Jun 23, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Colangelo and the rest of the front office are allergic to defensive bigs. They’d run out of EpiPens if they drafted Aldrich.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol but they did bring him in for a second workout

that has to show some interest? right? oh i hope so

by tea time on Jun 23, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they had any level of awareness about Bargnani’s game, they would be trying to acquire a defensive-minded centre. Dalembert is probably off the table, now that he’s been dealt to Sactown. Aldrich is an option in the Draft.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is, Aldrich still isn’t a lock-down guy at that spot, which is why I think he’s a little more Rasho than Przybilla.

I like him, but why not get Rudy via trade if you can, grab an upside player (hell, I’d roll the dice on Whiteside at 22) and hope to fill your D needs via a Hedo trade or free-agent signing like Haywood?

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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not great…but I’d argue better than Hedo.

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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

his defence is as bad as any other raptor

thing is aldrich is already thought to be an immediate impact and whiteside will take years. dont do this trade unless you know your going to get a defensive minded center such as haywood but i dont think he’d choose toronto especially if bosh leaves and were rebuilding. overpay? id think so

by tea time on Jun 23, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m all for picking up a asset piece and moving down this year. Go BC go.

by Ustation on Jun 23, 2010 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

please no more defensively challenged players I’m sick and tired of euros no offence to anybody

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 23, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

also this deal would make OKC trade with miami a HUGE steal

okc give up “32 pick” for daquean cook and the 18th

toronto would give up the “13th pick” for rudy fernandez and the 22nd

that would be disgusting if this happened

by tea time on Jun 23, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Sam Presti is currently conducting a clinic on how to build an NBA team.

by RaptorsHQ - Defensive Stance on Jun 23, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Hammond Is Right With HIm

Adding Maggette for two useless pieces was another very good move.

by Buddahfan on Jun 23, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

makes it look too easy

i will take your minor problem, give me picks

by bigweeze on Jun 24, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

BC hired PJ didn’t he? :)

by Ustation on Jun 24, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another Thought

Regardless of if this deal goes through, just great to see BC actively looking to acquire more assets, especially ones that play the same position as Hedo which HOPEFULLY means he’s gone.

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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Something tells me BC’s grinning with this deal. With all the uncertainty past the top five picks of the draft, i’m guessing BC has a feeling one of the raptors prospects that were supposed to go in 13 will possibly slip that far to the 22. That’s a good pick for a project. While Rudy can be the guy that contributes immediately. I like it when BC makes deals both for short-term and long-term.

by coniotic on Jun 23, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Totally Agree

If you can turn one uncertain pick into two kicks at the can, one of which will definitely contribute, why not do it? This isn’t a top 8 pick here, or even top 10. If you look back historically at the 13th pick, the results are pretty brutal.

And this is coming from someone who has been banging the Paul George drum since March.

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by Adam Francis on Jun 23, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

…in the 1996 draft – the most stacked draft class of all time.

Outside of that we’re talking about Richard Jefferson essentially.

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by Adam Francis on Jun 24, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't like this idea one bit

there is nothing wrong with moving down in the draft… but we don’t need another mediocre (at best) wing. We don’t need more questionable defense. We don’t need more three point shooting.

We need toughness, rebounding, defense.

I got nothing against Rudy… but moving down in the draft for a piece that does little for this team is useless.

I hope this is just nonesense talk…

by Not so Friendly Stranger on Jun 23, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Here's the thing...

I totally agree with this. All year I’ve ranted against the lack of these qualities.

However I’m assuming this deal means Hedo goes, which then brings in other pieces who hopefully bring those qualities.

If this is the only move BC makes, yes, not exactly great. (Unless 22 turns into a stud.)

But I think this move (if it even happens) has to be taken in context with a string of other moves. I’m not going to pass judgement until I see what else goes down.

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by Adam Francis on Jun 24, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

We really need to stop acquiring those no reb, no d types if possible.

We already have Marco/Turk to jack 3s.

by bigweeze on Jun 24, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. In order to get better we have to get worse and if that means bringing in RF then so be it. Besides, the competition between 4 players for two starting spots should make all of them better. Defense is a mindset not a skill, and having the right people pushing the coaching buttons should do wonders for the Raptors D.

by McGateway on Jun 24, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Unfortunately, the competition for starting roles/minutes argument doesn’t work with the Raptors. See Andrea Bargani, Demar Derozan last year and the diplomatic 2 point gurad back court of Calderone/Jack last year. The minutes on this team are not allocated based on who SHOULD be playing. This is due to having a bad GM and a empty suite "yes man`` of a head coach. Ok maybe, I`m being a bit unfair to Triano… maybe… But you get my drift.

by MAS11 on Jun 24, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much is BC interested in Kevin Seraphin with the 22nd?

Didn’t he work out for the Raptors? I wouldn’t put it past OKC to use the 18th to get him though.

by DomoKun on Jun 24, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Don't think he's on their radar

Seraphin wasn’t in any of the workouts we attended this time around so if they did see him work out, it was in a group session or overseas.

I’m sure they’ve got lots of intel on him but I’d be blown away if that’s why they were targeting at 22. Seraphin has upside, but is a project that probably stays in Europe for a bit. I expect Toronto to try and grab someone like Ebanks who can impact the team immediately.

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by Adam Francis on Jun 24, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

PS. How is the Raptors are not knocking down GS door for Ellis and the #6 pick? It is not like there is a real untouchable on the Raptors so finding a way to get that deal done seems like a no brainer to me (starting point is Banks and Evans expiring plus another player and our 13 pick, maybe DD and Amir Johnson in a sign and trade).

by McGateway on Jun 24, 2010 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

This is an interesting point.

Draftexpress noted tonight that G State was basically up for selling anyone but Curry. And considering Monta’s contract, you’d think he’d be one of the first to go. So throwing Banks and Evans etc at them makes sense if indeed they’re that desperate to make the franchise more attractive to potential buyers.

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by Adam Francis on Jun 24, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

no thank you i don’t want the poor mans gilbert arenas lol

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 24, 2010 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

yea no thanks. I mean hes a sick player, but not what we need. No need for a soft wing. We need guys that will go HARD. Plus we could tots use that 13th pick. This is not happening.

I've often thought of becoming a golf club

by Amacaps on Jun 24, 2010 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Uhm you do realise we would be getting the 6th pick in return right? The article stated GS is selling their pick to anyone willing to take Ellis off their hands. So if the Raptors took Ellis they would get the 6th pick which last time I checked would be a lot better than the 13th pick. I don’t know maybe I am just crazy.

by McGateway on Jun 24, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

No I love that idea

Everyone has soft in their heads. But Ellis is different that the rest. Then there is all summer to grab another cheaper Reggie Evans type.

by Rhinos on Jun 24, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am surprised they didn’t try and void Ellis’ contract last year after he got injured in violation of his deal. Similar to the Lakers and VladRad.

by bigweeze on Jun 24, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know most are gonna hate me

but please, please do not get rid of the young gunz or one of them. they seem like a family attending the mmva’s together and just out there in toronto to workout. it makes me happy that these guys are all young and electrifying players and are really close together. i know after seeing some of their twitter posts and through amir’s website. im just excited to see them play together next year. if you have to include either one of them in the trade…. im not interested.

please dont hate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gptbCWpm0Fs&feature=related

by tea time on Jun 24, 2010 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate that we are the team for soft, 3 point shooting Euros any team wants to trade by default.

Thanks but no thanks, we can get our 3 point specialist somewhere else for nothing but $.

by bigweeze on Jun 24, 2010 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Cough Jason Kapono Cough.

by McGateway on Jun 24, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say to pay him full MLE/full term. I expected him to be taking more than 5 3s per game while he was here for that kind of dough. Imagine how horrified I was when his favourite shot became the step-in long 2.

Unless you are going for one of those generic wing defender/spot up shooter types who should run about 4-5m tops per season (not on full term),

Cook just went from Miami to OKC (2.1m) and netted OKC 14 draft slots up to #18. 1.5-2m/1yr is fine for a one dimensional 3 point specialist.

by bigweeze on Jun 24, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed why are all the 3 point shooting softies linked to us we need some beasts, eat you alive type players but also i agree with franchise we need to see what else bc does i think if we get damion james with the pick that the blaizers give us that would be a good pick up because hes a tough in your face type of guy who would help us out a lot

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 24, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not taking Rudy

Listen all this talk is talk. I did so many blogs about this whole draft. The Raptors or not trading their pick period. Plus if they do their not trading it for a SG. BC said he love his Derozan and Weems combo plus their both young guys who competes and train hard together to get better. In the latest interview BC mention he is looking at three problems. The raptors losing Bosh. The Point Guards not being compatible in his view. (Calderon most likely going for a trade. Third and final problem is Hedo wanting to leave. ( Torontorians we don’t want him anyways). Hence picking Avery Bradley who a lot of ppl think he shouldnt be the 13th pick. HE WAS THE NUMBER ONE PROSPECT OF HIS YEAR. Meaning he was the best freshman going into college and ranking above John wall. So happens he didn’t get minutes like in his freshman year and played late and got injured so his stock went low. Most raptor fans think and believe that we should pick a big in this draft in case we don’t get bosh. Ppl come on we can sign bigs from the FA or acquire bigs C,PF, or SF from a Hedo or Jose trade. the list of PF thats FA are good and will be cheaper then Bosh max contract. Theirs Boozer,Dirk,Stoudmire to also buy besides Bosh. The 13th pick should be kept and they should pick Bradley. I also love Henry and his game but BC wont pick a SG in this draft. Avery Bradley is 6.3in and was getting comparisons to Rajon Rondo,Westbrook, and Monte Ellis. This guy is the sleeper in this draft.

by cyru on Jun 24, 2010 3:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Not sure how Ellis is a Rondo/Westbrook type. But I am happy with Bradley.

I guess we could do the deal if there’s noone standing out at 13, but from what little I have heard, there are a few solid options for us.

by bigweeze on Jun 24, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rudy, seriously

Not a fan of his but in fairness I haven’t seen him play a whole lot so if ppl say he is a quality player I’ll have to take their word. When I have seen him play tho he looks like a similar player to Belineli but quite a bit more polished. He didn’t play good def the times I saw him and was kinda of physically weak.

The Ellis trade I’d do in a heart beat. He may or may not be a good fit for this team but he is an asset we can turn into something down the road.

by Member29 on Jun 24, 2010 6:05 AM EDT reply actions  

On it's own...

I hate this deal. However, it is hard to evaluate not knowing what other moves will be made.

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by RaptorsHQ - Howland on Jun 24, 2010 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

If there is a Turkoglu deal in the chain, I say we make that one first.

My poor heart cannot take a Rudy Fernandez/Hedo Turkoglu monopoly at the 3.

by bigweeze on Jun 24, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If nothing else, I’m a bit of a sucker and I enjoy the Raptors Roulette game every summer (really.. I’m not even being sarcastic). BC keeps us on our toes.

Sure beats being Jersey.

by Ustation on Jun 24, 2010 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

But I’d like to see a total rebuild commenced, with the Presti-esque moves that should accompany such a blowup.

by RaptorsAddict on Jun 24, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being Jersey would be awesome. They have a megarich owner, and will be moving into a fancy new building in a few years.

Brook Lopez is more valuable than anyone on the Raptors which may not be saying much since many Raptors actually have negative trade value.

by bigweeze on Jun 24, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with Most

I would agree that I like the opportunity of turning our project 13th pick, for a proven player and project 22nd. Almost feels like a no brainer. I think Fernandez coming in is the domino to Hedo going out, and also makes Belinellie redundant.

I think BC has to go one way or another but I don’t think he will. This is the point in the franchise he needs to go for a home run. Something HUGE where we get back an all star player or two, or high draft pick. Or else mail it in, start picking up draft picks, prospects, and free up some cap space to go into money saving mode. I suspect BC is going to go in between like he has the last couple of years (though you could argue Hedo was his attempt at a home run swing, but totally missed the ball)

If GS were to do a Banks, Evans, Draft pick for Ellis…WOW

Miami, OKC trade. Good trade for OKC picking up a shooter they need and a 1st rounder. Good trade for Miami too freeing up 3M. I really, really like how the Heat have positioned them selves. They now have enough cap space to re-sign Wade, another Max Player and still have roughly 9-10M left over. Latest rumor is they are trying to buy out James Jones which would free up an additional 2.8M. They could then do something along the lines of Wade, Amare, Harrington, Ray Allen (Maybe a Brendan Haywood or Luke Ridnour)

by WinnipegRaptorFan on Jun 24, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

imagine they dont get anybody lol that would be so jokes

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 24, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

that would be jokes, but the thing with all the money, the lure of the Miami lifestyle and Pat Riley they have multiple ways they can go. Step one is resigning Wade of course. Then they need a big and there are lots of options there. Boozer, Amare, Bosh, Dirk. They need a point guard, Watson, Ridnour (or trade for Collison) Actually as I type this a trade for Collison and Okafor makes a lot of sense for Miami. They have the space to take the hit, a Collison Wade backcourt would be dynamic, and an Okafor , (Amare, Bosh or Boozer) front court is pretty formidable too.

by WinnipegRaptorFan on Jun 24, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Explain how it is a no-brainer if it makes Belinelli redundant. To me that is duplication, and not worth losing 9 spots in the draft for.

by bigweeze on Jun 24, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

9 spots in this draft isn’t alot because essentially 13-30 have the same kind of talent. like stated elsewhere this move must be taken into consideration with other moves

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 24, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Belinelli gone

Makes Belinellie even more tradeable. Belli could have trade value with his small contract and decent play.

by WinnipegRaptorFan on Jun 24, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rudy actually isnt that bad of a defender

Hey guys, I am a blazer fan and got directed here from blazers SB nation site. Anyway, Rudy’s defense is not nearly as bad as your making it out to be, he actually closes out on shooters extremely well, and gets alot of steals (Believe he was #1 per minute off the bench) and he actually sticks to shooters pretty darned well. He does struggle against people who drive to the hoop alot, but those guys arent around every night, he is also suprisingly good at keeping people from posting him up by drawing offensive fouls. His defensive rating is 106 I believe which is actually that of an avg. defender in the NBA. Anyway hes not exactly a Bruce Bowen, but he is an adequate defender hardly the lackadiscal horrid defender youre making him out to be. Also Rudy’s shot inside the 3point line isnt as bad as it looked on the blazers, we run a pretty horrid roy centric offense which forced rudy to stand at the 3 point line or try a desperation last second 2.
Anyway if you get Rudy he can play 3 against shooters, and can guard most non-allstar 2’s int he league just fine, just dont expect him to guard driving 3’s well at all. Hes a great player and much better than most 13th picks.

by tjb2397 on Jul 5, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

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