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Pre-Draft Workout #4 Insider Recap - RaptorsHQ Talks to Alabi, Whiteside and Stephenson

Could Alabi be the player the Raptors are targetting if they grab a second draft pick?

RaptorsHQ talks to Hassan Whiteside, Solomon Alabi and Lance Stephenson while recapping yesterday's workout and media session.

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First off, apologies for the extremely late post this morning.  We had some technical difficulties with the site so I've only now been able to post the recap for yesterday's workout session.

Second, woah...tomorrow represents exactly a week to go before the NBA Draft!

Guess I should probably look into booking a hotel and flight to NYC eh?

Yes, late last night the HQ got confirmation from the NBA's head office that we will for the second consecutive year, be credentialed for the draft.  Exciting news for sure, I just wish we could have been given a little more of a heads up as a trip to New York is never cheap as is, forget trying to book seven days before hand.

On the flip side, the draft this year is right in the middle of G20 madness so perhaps any cost associated with NYC will seem cheap in comparison to living downtown and having to fight traffic, barricades and the odd protester or two!  G20 could put a serious hurt on draft preparations so I wouldn't be surprised to see the Raptors try and wrap up all workouts by the end of this week.  Yesterday represented another piece to the puzzle, and tomorrow it sounds like the team will try to bring in the last of their remaining options at 13.


From my perspective, Toronto is sitting in a situation where there are about five guys they'd love to see available at that 13th spot.  If a player like Aldrich, Henry, Bradley, Udoh or Patterson is there, they'll snatch them up.  However it's conceivable that all five are gone, and if that's the case, then options like Paul George, Damion James and Eric Bledsoe, all of whom could be in for tomorrow's workout, would be on the table.

Ideally, I think Colangelo and co will do backflips, as would I, if the following scenario occured:

The Raptors see one of their top five fall to them at 13, and they still manage to grab a second first-round pick or early second-rounder, to grab another prospect.

In this vein, I could see Toronto grabbing Aldrich at the 13, then going smaller with their second pick, either taking a player like Bledsoe or a wing like Ebanks.

Conversely, if Avery Bradley falls to them at 13, then filling another need by taking a player like Stanley Robinson, Larry Sanders or Solomon Alabi later on makes sense.

Alabi is a very interesting player in fact.

We haven't even considered him as an option over the course of last year but seeing him in person yesterday, you realize why he could truly make an impact at the next level.

The guy simply gets after it at both ends of the court, and is a lot more solid offensively than perhaps he was able to show at Florida State.  I asked him about this and he noted that while he was injured at points during the season, he made sure to work on parts of his game that didn't require jumping, such as face-up moves, bank-shots, etc.

He truly wants to be a dominant all-around big man.

Oh...and it doesn't hurt that he's about 7-1 with a ridiculous wingspan.

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Of the four players in for yesterday's session, Alabi was the most intriguing for sure and he and Hassan Whiteside put on a good show.  Both are about the same height however Whiteside is even longer than Alabi and not as strong or developed physically.  This was apparent on a few of the two-on-two possessions where Alabi was able to establish position easily and finish with authority.

That's not to say you can't see why Whiteside is one of the most tantalizing prospects in the draft.  At one point Alabi tried to cram it on him and Whiteside quickly recovered, meeting the former Seminole at the rim.  While it ended up being a foul, it's this shot-blocking potential that have many GM's taking a long, hard look at Hassan.

In fact, Hassan to me was the most surprising player on the court yesterday.  His face-up game was solid, he shot the ball quite well, something that I didn't see much of at Marshall, and personality-wise, he was the complete opposite of the way folks like Chad Ford and Draftexpress.com had described him!

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Up until this point he had been painted as a bit of a problem-child, a player who was irrationally cocky and indifferent in interviews, and someone who probably didn't love the game.

Instead, he was extremely jovial yesterday, even going so far as making faces at Solomon Alabi from behind the media, trying to make Alabi bust up laughing.

You can see from the clip at Raptors.com just how personable he was and the following is the full transcript of the media scrum:

RaptorsHQ:  Good workout today?

Hassan Whiteside:  Yeah. (Looking around as the rest of the media moves in on him.)  Oh wow, I feel special, everyone wants to talk to me!

HW:  I think I did pretty good, just really showing them that I could shoot and handle the ball, and that I'm a better offensive player than they think.

RHQ:  Ok, what sort of things do you think you could bring to a team like the Raptors?

HW:  Just a defensive presence...they've got a lot of scorers, I could add some scoring and rebounding and defence (from my position.)  Just mostly I think they really need defence.

RHQ: Talk a little about your last season and your decision to jump into the league.  At what point did you say I'm ready to take the next step?

HW:  Probably when the coaches left, and I really wanted to help my Mom out by coming out so...

RHQ:  What sort of feedback have you heard from the coaches and GM's, people like that, so far?

HW:  People have been saying I've been pretty good, that I can be an impact player in the league if I work hard.

RHQ:  What sort of ways have they said you could come in and really make that impact?

HW:  Um, really with my length and once I get size on, the set of skills I've got, would just really improve any team I'd go to.

RHQ:  Have they talked to you about sort of bulking up?

HW:  Yeeeaaah...

RHQ:  ...that's something I heard quite a bit in regards to your stock.

HW:  (Flexing).  Yeeeeah...get my guns on camera, get them a little bigger (laughs.)

RHQ:  What have you been doing this off-season in terms of training?  Besides the work-outs of course.

HW:  I'm working out with Frank, and Bob Hill, out in San Francisco and really getting my footwork with Hakeem Olajuwon.

RHQ:  Oh you have been working with Hakeem?

HW:  Yeah.

RHQ:  Nice, how did that come about?

HW:  Really my agent grew up with him, so they grew up together.

Holly MacKenzie, The Score:  Was that kind of surreal, you're working with Hakeem on footwork?

HW:  Yeah, because that's always been one of my favourite players, him and KG, so it's crazy.  He IS as good as advertised (laughs) and at his age he still can't be guarded.

RHQ:  Talk about some of the workouts you guys do.

HW:  Just footwork, just basically footwork, he's showing me moves, different moves, that most players and coaches don't even know about.

Ryan Wolstat, Toronto Sun:  Do you have the "Dream Shake" down?

HW:  (Laughs)  Yeah, he's shown me how to set it up, establish both pivots...

RHQ:  Contrast that to playing at Marshall and the level of coaching you got there.  Obviously you had some great coaches but this is another level obviously working with Hakeem.  Did you get any specialized "big man time" when you were there?

HW:  Yeah, it was one-on-one for a week so I just basically got more of an offensive set down low, my back to the basket...I've always been more of a face-up guy.

RHQ:  One thing I've sort of heard in terms of the "draft talk," is that you haven't been the most enthusiastic person.  What do you have to say about those sort of rumours and stuff?

HW:  Man, that's crazy to me!!  I've been playing this game man since I've been five so I think, me reaching my dream?  It would be CRAZY not to be happy about it.

It was pretty hard to come away from the interview not having a much more positive take on Whiteside, even if he's not someone I want Toronto to draft come June 24th. The fact that he's been working so hard this off-season, his time with Hakeem, his surprising face-up game, perhaps his change in media persona since early in the draft process...all of these things bode well for his future.

On the flip side, we have Lance Stephenson.

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Lance was extremely aggressive in the workout and you can see why he gets Tyreke Evans comparisons.  He's not nearly as chiseled, but he's got similar size and passing instincts, and loves to attack the rim.

However he was a bit over the top defensively during the drills we saw.  He fouled quite a bit biting on Dominique Jones' pump fakes, and at times tried to go for the big steal or block instead of simply playing with his feet.

The media did a scrum with him as well as you can see on Raptors.com, however once again, I did most of the talking:

RaptorsHQ:  How'd it go out there today?

Lance Stephenson:  Aaah, I think it went pretty good.  I felt like this was for conditioning so I felt like I had fun doing it, and i just want to keep working hard.

RHQ:  Have you worked out against any of these guys before?

LS:  Yeah, I worked out with Hassan and Dominique Jones.  This is my first time with (Alabi.)

RHQ:  Ok.  And so far, how many workouts have you done?

LS:  This is my ninth one...

RHQ:  (Laughs) Wow...

LS:  I'm just trying to hold it in, there's a lot of up and down stuff so I'm just trying to get myself in great condition and keep going hard.

RHQ:  What have you been hearing about your stock and that sort of thing from coaches and GM's?

LS:  I'm really not worried about that.  I'm just trying to work hard, trying to show everybody that I'm a competitive player.

RHQ:  What about your decision to leave Cincinnati?  Just talk to us a little bit about that and the thought process behind heading to the NBA as opposed to returning for another year.

LS:  Oh Cincinnati was a great place.  I loved the coaching staff, I loved the players that were there and I felt like it was a family there.  I enjoyed Cincinnati and had a good time there.


RHQ:  But why did you say to yourself, "ok I'm ready to make the jump?"

LS:  I felt that i was physically and mentally ready and I just tried to get myself in great condition so I could show everybody I was working hard.

RHQ:  Who's a player you'd say you model your game after or look to in the NBA?

LS:  Aaaah, I love Dwyane Wade.  He's a great defensive player and he's got hops, and he's shown that he's a leader on the court and I look up to that.  I want to be a leader on the court and show everybody that I'm very competitive.

RHQ:  What about this Raptor team?  You look at the team, do you say, you know, you've got some qualities that this team obviously needs; especially in terms of being able to attack the basket, things like that that you've always done well, I think you're still the highest scoring player in New York State high school history...

LS:  Oh yeah, Toronto is a great team, I know a lot of players on the team...

RHQ:  ...which guys do you know?

LS:  I know DeRozan, I played with him in AAU, so...I know a lot other guys on the team, I know who Sonny is, and grew up playing with them so, if I come here, I just want to be a leader on the court and fit in great.

RHQ:  Thanks man, good luck.

 

It's extremely hard to get a read on Stephenson's stock.  He's had some major issues in the past off-the-court, and is not the most thought-provoking prospect I've ever spoken to, but you have to wonder if he's in fact a bit underrated now.  After all, ever since he challenged OJ Mayo to a game of one-on-one at an ABCD camp, he was viewed as the saviour of New York basketball so he's been dealing with constant pressure.  "Born Ready's" game has been put through the meat-grinder since middle school and he was hardly a great fit in Cincinnati's offence last year.  However considering his one-on-one abilities, I wonder if with the right team he couldn't be a steal.

I asked Raptors Assistant GM Masai Ujiri about him and the comparisons to Tyreke Evans:

We've heard that comparison - I think he takes it to the rack in that kind of way, so yes, that's a very interesting compare.  Tyreke is pretty good now, (laughs) that's a pretty good player, but yeah he (Lance) has those physical abilities where he takes it to the basket and finishes strong.  His shooting from outside is still so-so but he's getting better.

The final player of the foursome yesterday was Dominique Jones.

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He was the only workout participant I didn't get a chance to speak with but he was certainly the most polished of the group.  The kid just knows how to score and did so in a variety of ways against both Stephenson and the two big men.  He's in that tweener Rodney Stuckey-Marcus Thornton mould for sure as he's a physical presence despite below-average shooting guard height.  He too could be a steal for a club as an offensive sparkplug off the bench.

Outside of the workouts themselves, we got a chance to see some currentish Raptors in action.

Sonny Weems, Demar DeRozan, Amir Johnson and Joey Dorsey began their workouts after the draft session was complete, and it was good to see the now "four amigos" hamming it up a bit.

All looked good in terms of conditioning however DeMar DeRozan has taken the most obvious steps forward in terms of his physical form.  He's apparently up to 215 pounds now and has obviously been working quite hard to get bigger and stronger, both very encouraging things for Raptors' fans.

And leading them in some of the drills?

None other than Jarrett Jack who flew up to Toronto to get some work in of his own.

We got to chat with him before the draft session and he made it clear that he's had no trade demand talks with Bryan Colangelo.  To that point he noted:

"I'm up here on my own merit, coming up here to work out (with) Sonny and DeMar and Amir and Joey Dorsey.  If I wanted a trade, I doubt I'd be flying up here to work out!"

He's talked to Bryan too about the trade rumours too and I now find it hard to believe that Jack will be the one shipped off anywhere unless the team really can not find any takers for Jose when all is said and done.

Finally, Jack's comments to us made me think that Chris Bosh perhaps isn't so far gone either.

He's been talking quite a bit with Jarrett this off-season apparently and I got the feeling that if BC can pull off a few miracles in the next few weeks, then perhaps we might still see the return of CB4.

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a few miracles

not even one….. a few…. and I believe he would not be happy with “just” BC walking on water…..

by renato on Jun 16, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I said this like last week. Moving HST and Calderon even for nothing more than cap space might have a positive impact on Bosh’s decision to stay. If they can get some help as well with those trades then it can only improve his outlook on the team. It may be a long shot but at least it is a shot.
As for the draft. BC needs to step up and be aggressive when it comes to getting a second 1st round pick or he needs to rejig everything going forward.

by McGateway on Jun 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I truly feel this team needs to come out of this draft with two solid players. Otherwise, BC needs to “walk on water” as Renato put it via free-agency. I love that Weems, Amir, DeRozan and Dorsey were in working out, but if anyone thinks those four are equal to say other teams’ young cores (Westbrook, Durant, Green and Ibaka)…

Those guys haven’t proven anything so unless some real veteran help is on the way, this team is lottery bound again.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 16, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like tim’s article on acquiring collison that would be a big boost for us

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 16, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great read, Tim always does a good job with that sort of thing.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 17, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just don’t think Alabi will fall to the 2nd round, though I’m gald he’s getting the push. I was on the Alabi bandwagon and thought he’d be a perfect fit for Toronto when I thought we were going to get a low 1st rounder in the middle of the season. I’m still for trying to trade down or picking up an extra pick.

by Ustation on Jun 16, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

In my blog last week, I figure we should pick Alabi with a low pick and try Stephenson with a 2nd. When I wrote it, I had no idea they were going to working out together. LoL.. Maybe BC’s reading the blog. ;)

by Ustation on Jun 16, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of the most underrated things about Alabi I think is his personality. Whiteside was jokey and personable as described, but it was Alabi during the drills that was encouraging the other players and yelling out direction. Great to see as part of the whole package.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 16, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

From your interview it sounds like Whiteside is a perfectly fine guy, but he might be too laid back for the Raptors. They have plenty of guys who are easy going, now they need a few more intense leader types.

by DW19 on Jun 16, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

i heard whiteside is immature and acts to childish to succeed in the NBA

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 16, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know about Alabi’s relationship with Toronto’s Assistant GM Masai Ujiri as he was the one that found him in Africa. I just think he has more upside than Cole. Don’t get me wrong, the few games I did see this year, he happened to stick out, but there are obvious holes.

Cole will be struggling to get a second contract.

by Ustation on Jun 16, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Cole with struggle to get a second deal – think he’s Rasho 2.0 in many ways and Rasho never struggled contractually.

That being said, I DO think Alabi has more upside.

Adam Francis - Publisher - RaptorsHQ.com

by Adam Francis on Jun 17, 2010 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

So do I

And if there is a basketball God who cares about he Raptors we do a deal to move Big Andy for Kevin Love.

by CamHilton on Jun 16, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do too – just never thought the two meshed well and would prefer to see a more “inside-outside” combination at the 4/5.

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by Adam Francis on Jun 16, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on what we would get for andrea if we get a good player that fits our style then yes but if we dont then no i would rather have andrea then bosh right now because bosh wants to be the man and he doesn’t have the leadership and mental toughness to be the man so it is kind of a conundrum i really hope demar develops so we can be a solid playoff team

by raptors_run_the_show on Jun 16, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here we go again

It is clear that there are two camps within the Raptor fans, one wanting more Bosh and one wanting a fresh start. “raptors run the show” is spot on as far as I’m concerned. I can’t take more of Bosh imitating a fanchise player. He would be a hell of a side kick but he don’t see it that way and it will just be more of the same old but I guess there a good number of you out there that can’t get enough of the same old.

by RT... on Jun 16, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

im neutral

seeing how bosh likely plans to leave, i think it would be great for a fresh start. maybe gets some young talent and cap space, but no way risk our assets for any long term contracts or veteran players. this team is just not ready to compete and that will take time, through the draft and young talent growing together as a team.

on the other hand, if bosh goes to front office and tells them he’d prefer to stay, i say BC should take this opportunity and go all out to get help for bosh. why? because he is a such a great talent and we kinda just take it for granted. ya he hasnt really got us far enough into the playoffs but if you look at the team he was surrounded by, he had no talent in terms of which actually wins games. bosh needs defensive minded players, hustlers, players with swagger around him to compete. all we ever had were laid back players who took shots from everywhere on the court, which doesnt really translate to much wins unless you have a pg like steve nash but even he and his team havent won yet. this is why i mentioned to trade bargs if this is the ideal place for bosh. andrea does not compliment bosh’s game. we need a strong rebounding/defensive center as well as a go-to scorer. hedo was not the answer AT ALL. we need players to compliement bosh to succeed. you may not agree that he is a franchise player but we all know that he could be a “hell of a side kick”. its tough to actually find a franchise player, lets not forget there are only a few in the nba (kobe, lebron, wade) so it is best to build around your teams best player, which in this case is bosh.

also i think people are putting too much on this “Bosh is only looking to be the man on a team.” the video you saw of him thinking he could be the man of the team was firstly made when the raptors were playing great ball but was also a way of showing his confidence in himself to attract players to join the raptors. i think it was great, especially since no nba star would want to come play for canadas team. its always offending to hear that your not the best but only second best. why is it such a problem to wanting to be the best. i like that. i like how he wants to be the man of the team. it shows confidence and swagger which this team lacks. would it have been better for him to say that he would be better off going to join a superstar only to be second best on the team? nobody wants to be robin, everyone wants to be batman.

trust me, there is a reason why there is so much hype around bosh in this league. everyone else in the league wants him, except for us? you all need to understand that he has flaws in his game but so does everyone else in this league. bosh is already a proven talent, he just needs talent to be put around him aswell, and i think if that were the case, andrea would definitely need to be moved. its all about different talents in the lineup that can play offense as well as defense. right now the raps only have offense going for them, but if andrea is traded for possibly a true center, and colangelo actually gets bosh the right mix of players around him, bosh can finally show that he CAN lead this team. he has been the leader this entire season playing hard and consistent ball, but everyone else on this squad were inconsistent.

*its tough to explain, but bosh has shown his leadership. you see it everynight through his game and even when he’s on the bench you usually see him being vocal towards the players. i think his leadership alone is enough to warrant him franchise status. just remember its tough to find a true franchise guy, but bosh is not too far off.

by tea time on Jun 17, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dated

I think this was taped a long time ago. “2010 is a big time coming up” & “decision to be made in 2010”

Much has happened since.

by Zona. on Jun 17, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

One last try

Tea time: In LA’ the Lakers leader is Fisher. A team’s best scorer will not automatically be the leader nor do they need be. In Toronto this past year, I would argue that Jack was as much the leader.
This topic about Bosh just seems to go round and round so this is my last try. All the playoff teams have as their best offensive player(barring a few exceptions), a player at the wing or guard position. Your franchise player must have the full range of abilities, consistant 3point range, mid range jumper, and driving ability and even post up ability. He is easy to double team and the better teams just push him off the block. Bosh does NOT have enough of these tools to be called a franchise player. He plays in a post postion where it is hard to set a screen for him like you can for Paul Pierce, Kobe etc.
You are right, there are only so many Lebrons but we need someone that has these attributes, Jamal Crawford would be an example. Yes, I"m saying I would rather have Crawford as our go to player than Bosh. (or some one similar)
It is a coaching problem, but by running the offense through Bush all the time, the Raps were predictable and stoppable.
I hope we get a new start, some fresh air,maybe even a versitle “go to” scorer.

by RT... on Jun 17, 2010 5:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, but...

I agree with your point. It is a well thought out argument. However, the problem in Raptor land is not offence. The Raps had one of the most potent offences in the league, and that was running the O through Bosh. I suppose this argument might be more about the end of game situations where each possession is important, but even then Bosh draws a lot of fouls. Even if we lose Bosh, I think we will have enough offence – though common sense makes it hard to acceot losing your best player.

I have had a load on my mind lately and will have to unload soon, but I am at work and will have to bottle it in for a little longer. Watch this space…

Walker McKenna

by Robert Archibald on Jun 17, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

well if it is a coaching problem,

then shouldnt you be blaming the coach? basketball is a a team game. where was paul pierce before he got ray allen and kevin garnett or what about kobe before memphis just gave them pau gasol for basically nothing? jamal crawford can easily be had, so that wouldnt be a problem if you want him. but if we do, then im guessing your in the “Trade derozan or weems camp” because of course they all play the same position, but most here expect them to stay raptors. but seeing how our team has no “superstar” al la kobe or paul pierce to build around,as of yet, and will have to take years and luck before we find one in the draft that actually ‘wants to be here.’
  its isnt so bad to build around the teams BEST PLAYER right now. its always easy to want to rebuild but realistically how much does that get us to the promised land. it seems like weve been rebuilding everytime we do lose our best player, and ya it does give us hope for the future and thats always fun, but your relying on striking gold in the draft or having the ability to overpay for a player to join our team. (TORONTO is not the ideal place for players to sign)

look, im not in favor of bosh returning, but nor am i against it. i just want people to see that if we do rely on rebuilding ‘Again’ it will take another 5 years or so. (ill be 23 by then and i cant wait that long to actually be in the playoffs) and we have to get lucky in the draft, kinda like OKC and portland. does it seem so far fetched to believe that we can actually build a team around bosh? all of our huge contracts are handed out to players who only play one side of the court, which is offense. (jose, turk, bargs) with no defense at all. bosh has the ability to get to the line which no other the raptors can consistently do and shoot consistent jumpers and even take the occasional 3. but he also has another thing going for him which is his rebounding. jose cant do that, turk cant do that, and bargs, our only other big CAN NOT do that. doesnt this show you that maybe its not bosh’s fault our teams keeps losing, but rather that everyone else on this team does not help the other areas of need to actually compliment bosh and compete. AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO THiNKS THIS WAY! any real gm would rather keep bosh then let him go because REALISTICALLY he is the best talent we got and frankly, i dont see how youd rather not want him.

by tea time on Jun 17, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the problem here is you are confusing max contract and franchise player. CB4 is a franchise player. You cannot tell me you cannot build a team around him just because Toronto’s management has failed to do it. I am saying that right now Chris Bosh is the best PF in the game today. Duncan may go down as the greatest but his career (along with Garnett’s) is winding down. If you look at anyone else at that position and say they are better I will point out that they are surrounded by better talent. Amare has Nash, Dirk has tons of talented players around him, Randolph put up his first really good year in a long time, West has CP3 and still doesn’t put up Bosh’s numbers. There is no doubt if he had a better supporting cast this team could be a contender. The issue of max-contract though is a valid one. Bosh does not transcend the game like a Kobe, Lebron or Wade do. People around the league are not going to go to their teams games just because Bosh is in town. Then you throw in the fact he doesn’t provide enough blocks, steals or assists to compare himself to the other max PF’s and you can rest your case. Bosh is a franchise player but he is not a max contract guy (even though he will likely get that contract).

by McGateway on Jun 18, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

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